Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Hi ,I had many bad attacks,2 trips to the ER,I also flushed a dozen or so times,What seemed to help me was Dr. Schultz intestinal formula 1 and Dr. Cabot`s livatone & Livatone plus,I also watched my diet,I havnt had an attack in quite awhile.I also blend a superfood drink with a fresh pear in it everyday-I read that the liver and Gb love pears,I throw a bunch of stuff into that breakfast drink and basicly can eat anything right now.At its worst I was having some kind of attack,pain etc every day,it was a rough ride but I still have my GB.Diet is important.I do lemon water in the morning as that clenses the liver & intestinal track. >From: Merrow <fmerrow@...> >Reply-gallstones >gallstones >Subject: Gall Stone Pain >Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:19:24 -0800 > >I just had my fifth Gall Stone attack. This was the most painful and long >lasting. After 8 hours I went to the emergency room for the first >time. They gave me some pain meds, let me sleep for four hours and then >kicked me out. I just hadn't waited long enough. > >However, I did get some useful information out of the doctor. I was afraid >that the stone would block a tube or something and my gall bladder might >burst or something like that. It certainly feels like really bad things >are happening inside there. However, according to the ER doctor " I have >NEVER heard of ANYTHING like that happening. " . > >Still this leaves lots of questions in my mind. Exactly what is it that >causes all this pain? I mean I've done a number of " liver flushes " and >gotten what are supposed to be stones out. While annoying to drink " all >that goop " this has never been a painful experience. > >What I don't understand is why a liver flush is not painful, but a gall >bladder attack is. > >What is it that makes these so painful even though it is the same process >(at least on the surface)? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 At 11:09 PM 1/1/2005, james cal wrote: >Hi ,I had many bad attacks,2 trips to the ER,I also flushed a dozen or >so times,What seemed to help me was Dr. Schultz intestinal formula 1 and Dr. > Cabot`s livatone & Livatone plus,I also watched my diet,I havnt had >an attack in quite awhile.I also blend a superfood drink with a fresh pear >in it everyday-I read that the liver and Gb love pears,I throw a bunch of >stuff into that breakfast drink and basicly can eat anything right now.At >its worst I was having some kind of attack,pain etc every day,it was a rough >ride but I still have my GB.Diet is important.I do lemon water in the >morning as that clenses the liver & intestinal track. So everyone's information has been great. However, I obviously didn't ask my question correctly as none of you have addressed it. If I do a liver flush, there is no pain and perhaps hundreds of stones come out. Yet in a gall bladder attack the passing of (presumably) a single stone causes large amounts of on going pain that lasts for hours. Why the difference? Why no pain on a flush and so much pain with the passing of one stone. What is it exactly in a Gall Bladder attack that causes the pain? I understand it was holiday cooking that triggered it. I did not mean to ask why it happened (ice cream is the answer to that one). The question is why is it painful and what exactly is " in pain " during such an attack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 and all, I think there are at least 4 different SOURCES OF PAIN with a GB attack or problem. Remember, even though there are no pain receptors in the intestine itself, there are more nerves in the guts than anywhere else in the body except for the brain. There are even more nerves there than in the entire spinal cord. Apparently, God wants us to feel pain if we've done something wrong, especially if we've screwed up our liver. Interestingly however, many people have gallstones that are " silent' , they have no specific pains. The categories below exist for the rest of us who have gotten the " wake-up call " ... 1) CHOLECYSTITIS A very condition wherein the GB itself is inflammed and possibly infected. The lining is red, thickened, roughened and corroded. It may be caused by stones or it may cause the stones. The pain is that one that most resembles a heart attack. It is on the lower right side and refers to the back or right shoulder. Can be chronic and dull or acute and sharp. I think infectious bugs are often involved with this condition and I notice that Vitamin C and other immune tonics help me avoid relapse. There may be a place for antibiotic Rx in some people. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of nerves to and from the GB. Hot castor oil packs work well for chronic episodes, do it 2-3 times a day for 30-45 minutes. 2) GASTRIC DILATION W/ GAS--This horrible feeling makes you think you will explode like Mr. Creosote, or die of too much pressure on your diaphragm and lungs. In this case, it is secondary to Cholecystitis and/or Obstruction. Repetitive and self-induced belching, as well as pacing or walking, tends to help dispatch this pain. Epsom salts work too as do many other remedies. I get a feeling of mental doom and blackness from it. 3) BILE DUCT OBSTRUCTION When the stone(s) lodge in the biliary ducts, or the common bile duct (especially at the sphincter of Oddi), you are going to get spasming. This is severe pain and will make you think you are going to pass out. It's like someone has pierced you with a sword or spear. You will probably get cold sweats and vomit as well. If this turns to projectile and frequent vomiting you better hope you are puking into a wastebasket onboard an ambulance speeding towards the hospital. 4) PANCREATITIS ( Asscroft Disease) If the obstruction of the common bile duct is not alleviated, and if you didn't take the epsom salts or it didn't work, you can get pancreatits from a backflow of bile and sludge into the pancreas. This pain is a dull but severe back ache that will make you want to kill yourself if you can't get a good and steady supply of morphine and dilaudid. There is also a painful condition called BILIARY DISKINESIA where there are no stones but pain. I'm not sure what this condition is all about but it probably means you are doing something wrong and will be having more of the above at some point. Time to start a flushing program. Modern medicine can't diagnose tiny stones in the bile ducts of the liver but that's probably what's going on. There are scores of remedies and cures on this site, not only to relieve pain but also to cure the problems causing it. I keep my EMERGENCY KIT handy at all times in case I get an unexpected attack. I'm ready for about anything. Thanks to everyone here for giving me scoop so that I know how to doctor myself. Will in Minneapolis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 , When you do a GB flush, you prepare for it with the epsom salt drink (or some people do the green apple juice diet to soften the stones) The epsom salts soften smooth muscle tissue which allows the stones to slip though the bile ducts easier. On the other hand, a gallbladder attack is not premeditated (maybe some people do???, therefore you have not prepared the muscle tissue to relax and easily spit out the stones. Thus, stones get stuck and result in pain until they dislodge (which may take hours). The more often that you go through these gallbladder attacks/pain cycles, the more prone you are to developing an inflamed gallbladder, which in turn may also lead to pancreatitis. That's why it may be to one's advantage to prepare for stone expulsion with the flush method and to avoid further complications. It has also been recommended by some people to use a small amount of epsom salts during a GB attack to relax the bile duct tissue thus helping to dislodge the stone and ending the pain...... ~S --- Merrow <fmerrow@s...> wrote: > If I do a liver flush, there is no pain and perhaps hundreds of stones come > out. > > Yet in a gall bladder attack the passing of (presumably) a single stone > causes large amounts of on going pain that lasts for hours. > > Why the difference? Why no pain on a flush and so much pain with the > passing of one stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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