Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 24 Reasons Why You Should Never Vaccinate Infants: Originally by Jagannath Chatterjee and updated by KP Stoller, MD President, International Hyperbaric Medical Assoc Medical Director, Hyperbaric Medical Center of New Mexico 1. There are no long-term studies on vaccine safety. Very short-term unscientific tests are carried out where the vaccinated subjects are checked against another group who are given another vaccine. Technically the tests should be carried out against a non-vaccinated group. No one really knows what protocols are followed at such industry-sponsored trials. 2. There has never been any attempt to compare a vaccinated population against a non vaccinated population to know what vaccines are doing to the children and the society. 3.The child receives not one but many vaccines. There are no tests to determine the effects of multiple vaccines. 4. There is no scientific basis for vaccinating infants. As per senior doctors quoted by the Times of India, " Children suffer from less that 2% of vaccine preventable illnesses but 100% of the vaccines are targeted towards them. " The vaccine pioneers who have recommended abundant caution before vaccinating the population have never advocated Mass vaccinations. 5. Children are vaccinated simply because parents can be frightened to forcefully vaccinate their children. Vaccinating infants is the most profitable business both for the manufacturers as well as the doctors. 6.The Government of India has come out with a quarter page advertisement in The Hindu warning parents not to vaccinate beyond the Government approved vaccines. Parents have been advised against vaccinating in private clinics and hospitals. 7. The Orissa Chapter of the Indian Association of Pediatricians has admitted in a letter to the CM, Orissa, that private clinics and hospitals are ill equipped to store vaccines and warned parents not to vaccinate upon the advise of private practitioners and hospitals. 8. Vaccines contain untested heavy metals, cancer causing substances, toxic chemicals, live and genetically modified viruses, contaminated serum containing animal viruses and foreign genetic material, extremely toxic decontaminants and adjuvants, untested antibiotics, none of which can be injected without causing any harm. 9. The CDC of USA, the vaccine watchdog, has publicly admitted that its much-publicized 2003 study denying any link between vaccines and autism, is flawed. The Chief of CDC Dr Gerberding has confessed to the media (CNN) that vaccines can cause " autism like symptoms " . The Autism epidemicis found only in those countries that have allowed mass vaccinations. 10. In the year 1999, the US Government instructed vaccine manufacturers to remove mercury from vaccines " with immediate effect " . But mercury still remains a part of many vaccines. 11. " Mercury free " vaccines contain 0.05mcg of mercury, enough to permanently damage a infant. 12. IN INDIA NO ATTEMPT HAS BEEN MADE TO ENSURE THAT MERCURY AND OTHER HEAVY METALS ARE REMOVED FROM VACCINES SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE VACCINES COSTLIER. 13. In a reply to then President Sri Abdul Kalam, the Health Ministry informed, " mercury is required to make the vaccines safe " . To the authors query that " what are these vaccines that it requires the second most dangerous neurotoxin, mercury, to make them safe? " , there was no reply. 14. Mercury used in vaccines is second in toxicity only to the radioactive substance, Uranium. It is a neurotoxin that can damage the entire nervous system of the infant in no time. 15. Mercury accumulates in fat. The brain being made entirely of fat cells, most of the mercury accumulates there giving rise to the peculiar symptoms of the autistic children. 16. The mercury used in vaccines is ethyl mercury. According to Indian doctors this is 1000 times more toxic than the usual methyl mercury. 17. The aluminum present in vaccines makes the mercury, in any form, 100 times more toxic. 18. As per an independent study aluminum and formaldehyde present in vaccines can increase the toxicity of mercury, in any form, by 1000 times. 19. As per a Tehelka article on Autism, children are receiving 250 times more mercury through vaccines than they can possibly tolerate. The same article states that if one considers the WHO limit for mercury in water, they are receiving 50,000 times the limit. The limits set, incidentally, are for adults and not infants. 20. Autism in India has emerged as the most rapidly growing epidemic amongst children. From 1 in 500 it has steadily climbed to 1 in 37 today. As per Indian doctors, " You can go to any class of any school today and find an autistic child. " 21 The live polio viruses used in the Oral Polio Vaccine has caused Vaccine Attributed Paralytic Polio in more than 65,000 children as per doctors of the Indian Medical Association. In the USA this vaccine has caused polio 16 years after administration. The OPV has also let loose a new strain of polio in both India and Africa. The OPV is banned in other countries. 22. In the USA vaccine adverse effects are recorded and the Government offers compensation of millions of dollars to victims (the most recent case in its Vaccine Court may have received upto $200 million in damages). The Indian Government simply refuses to acknowledge that vaccines can cause deaths and permanent disability. 23. In the USA parents are informed about vaccine after effects and their consent has to be taken before vaccinating their children. In India the Government assures the population through massive advertising campaigns that vaccines are extremely safe. Parents refusing to vaccinate are threatened by the administration. 24. THERE IS NO SYSTEM OF TREATMENT TO TREAT A VACCINE DAMAGED CHILD. The parents have to run from one hospital to another. The Government turns a blind eye and refuses to even acknowledge the vaccine connection. TREMORA Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with 7. http://au.docs./homepageset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 EXCELLANT INFORMATION !! {{{THANKS FOR SENDING}}} ~ Dee " When Life Gives Ya Lemons...Make lemonade " and if a friend has Vodka... Have a Party! From: tremora howells <tremorahowells@...> Subject: [ ] 24 Reasons Why You Should Never Vaccinate Infants Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 10:57 PM 24 Reasons Why You Should Never Vaccinate Infants: Originally by Jagannath Chatterjee and updated by KP Stoller, MD President, International Hyperbaric Medical Assoc Medical Director, Hyperbaric Medical Center of New Mexico 1. There are no long-term studies on vaccine safety. Very short-term unscientific tests are carried out where the vaccinated subjects are checked against another group who are given another vaccine. Technically the tests should be carried out against a non-vaccinated group. No one really knows what protocols are followed at such industry-sponsored trials. 2. There has never been any attempt to compare a vaccinated population against a non vaccinated population to know what vaccines are doing to the children and the society. 3.The child receives not one but many vaccines. There are no tests to determine the effects of multiple vaccines. 4. There is no scientific basis for vaccinating infants. As per senior doctors quoted by the Times of India, " Children suffer from less that 2% of vaccine preventable illnesses but 100% of the vaccines are targeted towards them. " The vaccine pioneers who have recommended abundant caution before vaccinating the population have never advocated Mass vaccinations. 5. Children are vaccinated simply because parents can be frightened to forcefully vaccinate their children. Vaccinating infants is the most profitable business both for the manufacturers as well as the doctors. 6.The Government of India has come out with a quarter page advertisement in The Hindu warning parents not to vaccinate beyond the Government approved vaccines. Parents have been advised against vaccinating in private clinics and hospitals. 7. The Orissa Chapter of the Indian Association of Pediatricians has admitted in a letter to the CM, Orissa, that private clinics and hospitals are ill equipped to store vaccines and warned parents not to vaccinate upon the advise of private practitioners and hospitals. 8. Vaccines contain untested heavy metals, cancer causing substances, toxic chemicals, live and genetically modified viruses, contaminated serum containing animal viruses and foreign genetic material, extremely toxic decontaminants and adjuvants, untested antibiotics, none of which can be injected without causing any harm. 9. The CDC of USA, the vaccine watchdog, has publicly admitted that its much-publicized 2003 study denying any link between vaccines and autism, is flawed. The Chief of CDC Dr Gerberding has confessed to the media (CNN) that vaccines can cause " autism like symptoms " . The Autism epidemicis found only in those countries that have allowed mass vaccinations. 10. In the year 1999, the US Government instructed vaccine manufacturers to remove mercury from vaccines " with immediate effect " . But mercury still remains a part of many vaccines. 11. " Mercury free " vaccines contain 0.05mcg of mercury, enough to permanently damage a infant. 12. IN INDIA NO ATTEMPT HAS BEEN MADE TO ENSURE THAT MERCURY AND OTHER HEAVY METALS ARE REMOVED FROM VACCINES SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE VACCINES COSTLIER. 13. In a reply to then President Sri Abdul Kalam, the Health Ministry informed, " mercury is required to make the vaccines safe " . To the authors query that " what are these vaccines that it requires the second most dangerous neurotoxin, mercury, to make them safe? " , there was no reply. 14. Mercury used in vaccines is second in toxicity only to the radioactive substance, Uranium. It is a neurotoxin that can damage the entire nervous system of the infant in no time. 15. Mercury accumulates in fat. The brain being made entirely of fat cells, most of the mercury accumulates there giving rise to the peculiar symptoms of the autistic children. 16. The mercury used in vaccines is ethyl mercury. According to Indian doctors this is 1000 times more toxic than the usual methyl mercury. 17. The aluminum present in vaccines makes the mercury, in any form, 100 times more toxic. 18. As per an independent study aluminum and formaldehyde present in vaccines can increase the toxicity of mercury, in any form, by 1000 times. 19. As per a Tehelka article on Autism, children are receiving 250 times more mercury through vaccines than they can possibly tolerate. The same article states that if one considers the WHO limit for mercury in water, they are receiving 50,000 times the limit. The limits set, incidentally, are for adults and not infants. 20. Autism in India has emerged as the most rapidly growing epidemic amongst children. From 1 in 500 it has steadily climbed to 1 in 37 today. As per Indian doctors, " You can go to any class of any school today and find an autistic child. " 21 The live polio viruses used in the Oral Polio Vaccine has caused Vaccine Attributed Paralytic Polio in more than 65,000 children as per doctors of the Indian Medical Association. In the USA this vaccine has caused polio 16 years after administration. The OPV has also let loose a new strain of polio in both India and Africa. The OPV is banned in other countries. 22. In the USA vaccine adverse effects are recorded and the Government offers compensation of millions of dollars to victims (the most recent case in its Vaccine Court may have received upto $200 million in damages). The Indian Government simply refuses to acknowledge that vaccines can cause deaths and permanent disability. 23. In the USA parents are informed about vaccine after effects and their consent has to be taken before vaccinating their children. In India the Government assures the population through massive advertising campaigns that vaccines are extremely safe. Parents refusing to vaccinate are threatened by the administration. 24. THERE IS NO SYSTEM OF TREATMENT TO TREAT A VACCINE DAMAGED CHILD. The parents have to run from one hospital to another. The Government turns a blind eye and refuses to even acknowledge the vaccine connection. TREMORA Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with 7. http://au.docs. / homepageset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 I tell you what, I have studied mercury for years, even speaking to and observing a few adults who were diagnosed mercury poisoned who had immediately-obvious outward neurological damage, and some of the information I have learned was directly received by conversations with Dr. Cutler, who wrote a book on the subject. It stands to reason that just by virtue of body weight, it is like I said before, there are infants who have been immediately killed. If an adult can become permanently injured when their body systems are so much more highly developed, how can a, in some cases, developing child withstand being poisoned? This is the most comprehensive, consistent list of information I have ever seen. I cannot fathom how any seeing human being can read even a few of these points, and then stick their arm out, and as I said before, play Russian roulette. Even based on one or two or three points, any thinking person using the brain they were given to peruse information, I really do believe, would more than likely step back and question the safety of something so flawed - - supported only by the very industry making all the money from it. If a mechanic working on a stood to make a ton of money off someone, tell me how many people in this economy would not question it before handing over the contents of their entire wallet? But yet when a government agency stands to make more money than we can imagine ever seeing or having, people shrug. I started copying and pasting, but really, I could have gone on doing that time and time again without stopping, as each point was significant. Even just these should be enough to frighten someone. It is just the point I made, that considering the very miniscule chance someone would contract one of these diseases (which is nearly nill), the statistical chances of, instead, receiving neurological damage is just common sense if you can add two plus two. It doesn't take a scientist to figure this out, only as I said before, cause and effect reasoning. These points alone are tremendously mind-blowing to me, and it is a proven fact that mercury does indeed have an affinity for the brain, the one place where it can do the most damage since, even just considering all the functions controlled by the brain stem (which is only one small, but significant area) that if malfunctioning, can kill us. Ah-ha, but mercury and the other toxins doesn't kill us immediately, it is slow and insidious because the bodies of some people desperately try to metabolize the poisons. And those whose bodies are compromised by all the other things in the environment I won't even bother to mention, well, a human body just wasn't designed to fight that. Even just these points are truly excellent. I trust the vaccine debate has now ended, when it should have after only a few posts. When the very organization that advocates something which they have a personal financial interest in admits they got " caught, " then game over, as far as I am concerned. Thanks for this, amazing stuff!!! 9. The CDC of USA, the vaccine watchdog, has publicly admitted that its much-publicized 2003 study denying any link between vaccines and autism, is flawed. The Chief of CDC Dr Gerberding has confessed to the media (CNN) that vaccines can cause " autism like symptoms " . The Autism epidemicis found only in those countries that have allowed mass vaccinations. 10. In the year 1999, the US Government instructed vaccine manufacturers to remove mercury from vaccines " with immediate effect " . But mercury still remains a part of many vaccines. 11. " Mercury free " vaccines contain 0.05mcg of mercury, enough to permanently damage a infant. 12. IN INDIA NO ATTEMPT HAS BEEN MADE TO ENSURE THAT MERCURY AND OTHER HEAVY METALS ARE REMOVED FROM VACCINES SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE VACCINES COSTLIER. 13. In a reply to then President Sri Abdul Kalam, the Health Ministry informed, " mercury is required to make the vaccines safe " . To the authors query that " what are these vaccines that it requires the second most dangerous neurotoxin, mercury, to make them safe? " , there was no reply. 14. Mercury used in vaccines is second in toxicity only to the radioactive substance, Uranium. It is a neurotoxin that can damage the entire nervous system of the infant in no time. 15. Mercury accumulates in fat. The brain being made entirely of fat cells, most of the mercury accumulates there giving rise to the peculiar symptoms of the autistic children. 16. The mercury used in vaccines is ethyl mercury. According to Indian doctors this is 1000 times more toxic than the usual methyl mercury. 17. The aluminum present in vaccines makes the mercury, in any form, 100 times more toxic. 18. As per an independent study aluminum and formaldehyde present in vaccines can increase the toxicity of mercury, in any form, by 1000 times. 19. As per a Tehelka article on Autism, children are receiving 250 times more mercury through vaccines than they can possibly tolerate. The same article states that if one considers the WHO limit for mercury in water, they are receiving 50,000 times the limit. The limits set, incidentally, are for adults and not infants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Well, I wish I had a succinct answer to that. I really do - - BUT . . . A short-term study will not reflect the entire scope of the issue. A long-term study will reflect side-effects that result over time, and mercury will indeed damage body systems over time for some people. And whatever studies there are, many have been studied, and they are either misleading or skewed, in the opinion of many authorities on the subject. What I would personally like to see is a study proving vaccines are NOT harmful. Preferably, long-term. The chief of the CDC admitted himself that " ooooops, " we did something wrong. If the big guy stands up and admits wrongdoing, that is a bit scary to me. How do we believe a person or entity that just admitted their word cannot be depended upon? If someone proves that mercury is harmless, I will stick my arm out, I promise you that. But chemically, it ain't gonna happen. So, I don't stick the 'ol arm out. Don't get me wrong. As a " for instance, " the polio epidemic of 1952 was considered to be extremely serious. But there were 58,000 cases in the U.S. Hey, I wouldn't want to be one of the 58,000. But the population of the U.S., at that time, was 157-1/2 million. It is now about 300 million. That means chances of getting things have DECREASED. And in 1952, that was considered a serious " epidemic. " So, it is what I said before. Comparing the amount of people who will be affected to the entire population, nevermind the world population (just talking the U.S. here), it can be considered statistically miniscule, depending on your own opinion. However, IMHO, the recommendations of mandatory inoculation are over-kill. That's all I'm saying. Now, if I had been alive in 1952, and I was of semi-adult reasoning capability, I would have probably considered the chances and outcome of " possibly " being infected. Okay, of the 58,000 reported cases, 3,000 died. A life is a life, I understand that, it goes without saying. Not even one should be lost; I wouldn't want it to be my child, absolutely not. But in that case, I (personally) would not be horribly concerned that statistical odds were in favor of myself or my child dying. I might self-educate and consider the possible effects of the vaccine as a whole, against the possible effects of polio. However, on the other hand, 21,000 were left with mild or disabling paralysis. IMHO, 21,000 as compared to the U.S. population at that time is still, statistically-speaking, a small percentage. I personally think if mandatory inoculation was recommended, it should have been MOST recommended for areas where outbreaks were more prevalent, such as large cities. And leave it up to the person, not " let's all be inoculated because we are ALL going to get it. " Untrue. And if a person wants to be inoculated, let them. All I am stressing is SELF-EDUCATION. If a person doesn't want to educate themselves as to the risks or the statistics, and wants to take a chance of mercury side-effects, so be it. That is their right. But I personally think if you are going to do it, just educate yourself first. That is my biggest point. There is a fact on that list about mercury-free vaccines. They use the word " free, " but they are not free of harm, either. I am not saying " let's all get polio " in 1952. If I had a child at that time, I MIGHT have done it out of fear of POSSIBLE consequences. But media is very hyped on these subjects, and if I had indeed done it, it might have been because the actual risk was EXAGGERATED. I am not saying vaccines are bad. I am saying the crap they PUT IN THEM are bad. If they take the crap out, let's all get in line. I would be first in line, believe me. But I am not in line, and my GP asks me every single time I come in to get a flu shot (which also has mercury), and every single time, I say I would rather get sick. I will take a chance of getting sick, rather than take a chance of mercury side-effects because I personally think the chances of having permanent damage from the flu virus is less. If ebola was floating around, I might study the statistics and change my mind. It all depends. The quote you included in your post is at least partially true, Pepper. I personally think the story of Jonas Salk is a fascinating one. We will never know how many people didn't come down with polio. And this is a free country, that's the great thing about America. If someone wants to make sure they don't get it, the choice and the vaccine is accessible. I am not trying to hog the board at all because usually I stay in the background in groups. Almost always. I haven't posted a whole lot. But if there is an issue that I feel strongly about, I might come out of the woodwork. I might. I posted again because I wanted to give your quote and post a fair shot. It is true that vaccines were a massively great medical development. Just take the crap out of them and find another way to preserve them. I won't get on why I think they allow these substances in there, that is another post, and only my opinion, anyway. I have written enough on the subject, let's get back to epilepsy now? Stay then, Pepper, if the moderator decides you have the option - - just talk about epilepsy, and use those good brains you have up there to share what you've learned. I imagine most of us will be open to reading what you have to say. Most of us have read your posts thusfar. Just don't press buttons, unless you like it that much. Maybe instead, show you are a valuable member of the group, and all will be forgotten in time. I bet nearly everyone in this group will give you a shot. And if someone wants to tell me I am wrong, I don't mind being wrong about my opinions. Maybe I am, after all, full of crap. Maybe, possibly, perhaps I don't know what the heck I am talking about. It's just my suggestion, that's all. And we all know the saying about opinions. Can we talk about epilepsy now? Pleeeez? :-/ Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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