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What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the

recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR

!!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor.

DAVE

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As with all training and Assessing the course is only as good as the

Instructor teaching / assessing it.

Some instructors find it difficult to put the poit across, hence things get

a little confused.....

The Australian Resuscitation Council is a voluntary co-ordinating body which

represents all major groups involved in the teaching and practice of

resuscitation.

I have attached the current BLS pdf (Ian I will also send it direct to you)

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Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something about it. This

whole thing has huge contractual inplications (the dangerous practice aside) but

without knowing what the actual Oz guidelines are we can't very well ask them to

change, well we could but we'd have to go about it in a different way. It would

help to have the Oz standards.

Rgs

Ian

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What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the

recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR

!!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor.

DAVE

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Hi Ian,

Sounds like an ³interpretation² of the old recommendations from Australian

Resuscitation Council. Not current guidelines. I don¹t have access to them

right now in Baggers but can send them later if required.

Cheers,

Gösta

On 22/7/05 10:19 PM, " Sharpe, Ian [AT] " <I.Sharpe@...> wrote:

> Gents,

>

> Any of you Austrailian types help me out. We have a contractor here who is

> allegedly teaching first aid to Australian red cross guidelines, and states

> the following...

>

> If you come across casualty firstly check cas. conscious level by verbal

> contact and hand grasp - stating squeeze hand if you can hear me

> If no response:

> Place cas. in recovery position

> Check pulse/breathing

> If no signs then sweep mouth

> Return cas. onto back, commence CPR.

>

> Just seems a bit odd and I'd like to read the guidelines for myself before we

> (the client) make an issue of it.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ian

>

> Ian Sharpe

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Gosta,

Please do send them on when you have them it would help enormously.

Thanks

Ian

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Hi Ian,

Sounds like an ³interpretation² of the old recommendations from Australian

Resuscitation Council. Not current guidelines. I don¹t have access to them

right now in Baggers but can send them later if required.

Cheers,

Gösta

On 22/7/05 10:19 PM, " Sharpe, Ian [AT] " <I.Sharpe@...> wrote:

> Gents,

>

> Any of you Austrailian types help me out. We have a contractor here who is

> allegedly teaching first aid to Australian red cross guidelines, and states

> the following...

>

> If you come across casualty firstly check cas. conscious level by verbal

> contact and hand grasp - stating squeeze hand if you can hear me

> If no response:

> Place cas. in recovery position

> Check pulse/breathing

> If no signs then sweep mouth

> Return cas. onto back, commence CPR.

>

> Just seems a bit odd and I'd like to read the guidelines for myself before we

> (the client) make an issue of it.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ian

>

> Ian Sharpe

> ³Fortitudine Vincimus²

> Medical Response & Audit Coordinator

> Agip Kazakhstan North Caspian Operating Company N. V.

> Agip KCO

> Chagala Centre

> 1, K. Smagulova Street

> Atyrau, 060002

> Republic of Kazakhstan

>

> Tel: + 31 70 341 3833

> Mob: + 7 300 747 0108

> Mail MRACoordinator@...

>

> This e-mail and any attached documents are intended only for the addressee(s)

> named above. As this e-mail may contain confidential or legally privileged

> information, please notify us immediately if you are not the named addressee

> or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee,

> and delete the message permanently. This e-mail and any attached documents

> should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken without the prior

> consent of the sender.

>

>

>

>

> Member Information:

>

> List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

> Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@...

>

> ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to

> the list owner.

>

> Post message: egroups

>

> Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk

>

> Regards

>

> The Remote Medics Team

>

>

>

>

>

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Ian,

If the patient is unconscious AND breathing, then they go into recovery

position, if NOT breathing then start providing breaths and if no sign of

circulation start CPR cycles. Maybe the guy has not presented this properly.

Cheers,

Ross

" Sharpe, Ian [AT] " <I.Sharpe@...> wrote:

Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something about it. This

whole thing has huge contractual inplications (the dangerous practice aside) but

without knowing what the actual Oz guidelines are we can't very well ask them to

change, well we could but we'd have to go about it in a different way. It would

help to have the Oz standards.

Rgs

Ian

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What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the

recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR

!!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor.

DAVE

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The old recommendations in Australia were to place casualty in recovery

position prior to assessing breathing and circulation then rolling them back

if required for EAR and or CPR. This has changed in the last few years.

Cheers,

Gösta

On 22/7/05 10:46 PM, " Ross Boardman " <ross.boardman@...> wrote:

> Ian,

>

> If the patient is unconscious AND breathing, then they go into recovery

> position, if NOT breathing then start providing breaths and if no sign of

> circulation start CPR cycles. Maybe the guy has not presented this properly.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Ross

>

> " Sharpe, Ian [AT] " <I.Sharpe@...> wrote:

> Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something about it. This

> whole thing has huge contractual inplications (the dangerous practice aside)

> but without knowing what the actual Oz guidelines are we can't very well ask

> them to change, well we could but we'd have to go about it in a different way.

> It would help to have the Oz standards.

>

> Rgs

>

> Ian

>

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>

> What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the

> recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR

> !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor.

>

>

> DAVE

> SR Para. sECP

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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Ross,

Nope it is definitely their method of teaching. its witnessed and in the

literature they provide, they (the contractor) maintain they are following Oz

guidelines. I obviously need to disproved this before we can move forward.

Thanks

Ian

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What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the

recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR

!!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor.

DAVE

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Hi Ian

Bottom line is that Australia is part of ILCOR. They set the

guuidlines in the US, Canada, South Africa, Europe, New Zealand and

the Australia.

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/circulationaha;95/8/2172

What he is teaching conflicts with international recommendations and

the burden of proove lay with the tutor. If he can't prove with EBM

that what he is teaching is current then he should not be in his

position.

I did a quick internet search and came up with these sites which you

may wish to contact regarding this. Because at the end of the day

our word on this discussion list stands for nothing. You need

official verification.

I suggest you visit their website: www.resus.org.au and contact the

resus council direct.

Mike

> Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something

about it. This whole thing has huge contractual inplications (the

dangerous practice aside) but without knowing what the actual Oz

guidelines are we can't very well ask them to change, well we could

but we'd have to go about it in a different way. It would help to

have the Oz standards.

>

> Rgs

>

> Ian

>

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>

> What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put

them into the

> recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN

commence CPR

> !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor.

>

>

> DAVE

> SR Para. sECP

>

>

>

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The bottom line for the teaching of Basic Life Support Skills, you

should have a current instructors rating in the teaching of this

skill set, from the country of your licence or certification, for

offshore medics that would be the UK Resuscitation Council.

Regards

Mike

> > Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something

> about it. This whole thing has huge contractual inplications (the

> dangerous practice aside) but without knowing what the actual Oz

> guidelines are we can't very well ask them to change, well we

could

> but we'd have to go about it in a different way. It would help to

> have the Oz standards.

> >

> > Rgs

> >

> > Ian

> >

> > Re: More Help

> >

> >

> > What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put

> them into the

> > recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN

> commence CPR

> > !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor.

> >

> >

> > DAVE

> > SR Para. sECP

> >

> >

> >

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Mike,

The company is actually a contractor actually and we have called them in for a

meeting and he'll shortly be amending his methods, if he doesn't well then very

probably he won't be teaching for us much longer.

Rgs

Ian

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>

>

> What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put

them into the

> recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN

commence CPR

> !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor.

>

>

> DAVE

> SR Para. sECP

>

>

>

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Mike

The bottom line is anything other than what is in the contract with the company

matters not one iota, this at the end of the day is Kazakhstan. We all know what

the instructor should have, whether he does or not is a whole different story.

Now I have the info i needed. we can work the issue contractually.

Cheers

Ian

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> >

> >

> > What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put

> them into the

> > recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN

> commence CPR

> > !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor.

> >

> >

> > DAVE

> > SR Para. sECP

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Ian

The last message signed Mike - I didn't write. Not sure what is

going on with that - but hey, doesnt matter in the scheme of things.

Mike Bjarkoy

> > > Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something

> > about it. This whole thing has huge contractual inplications

(the

> > dangerous practice aside) but without knowing what the actual Oz

> > guidelines are we can't very well ask them to change, well we

> could

> > but we'd have to go about it in a different way. It would help

to

> > have the Oz standards.

> > >

> > > Rgs

> > >

> > > Ian

> > >

> > > Re: More Help

> > >

> > >

> > > What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put

> > them into the

> > > recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and

THEN

> > commence CPR

> > > !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor.

> > >

> > >

> > > DAVE

> > > SR Para. sECP

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Mike there are a number of Mikes. !

Cheers

Ian

PS Did you get the infor you wanted ?

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> > >

> > >

> > > What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put

> > them into the

> > > recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and

THEN

> > commence CPR

> > > !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor.

> > >

> > >

> > > DAVE

> > > SR Para. sECP

> > >

> > >

> > >

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  • 3 years later...

First I would like to say that I am so sorry for the pain that you

must find yourself in. And even a little sensitivity and

understanding on the part of the doctors would be a lot of help! I

know my son's neurologist is hard to understand and the situation is

very cut and dry with him. It is frustrating. My son is on Keppra

but they keep increasing the dose because it doesn't seem to work

consistently. I have also been told routine is a must for my son and

we have to keep excitement to a minimum. These aren't easy things,

but the doctor tells us like it's not a big deal. Our pediatrician

also wrote a book about the ketogenic diet and she has a son with

epilepsy and it worked for him so she swears by it, but my son has

severe allergies and is a picky eater so we haven't tried it, but have

you tried it? Seizures are a very hard thing to deal with, they are so

unpredictable. I wish there was an easy answer, but all I can offer

is support and the experiences I have and have heard of.

>

> We have just found out that our son is having hundreds of seizures a

> day. Atonic, absent, tonic clonic (occassionally) and myclonic all

> activity in the left temporal lobe. He was on Keppra because he had

> one seizure they saw a few months ago and possibly a few seizures

> that we just didn't pick up on, but now it is hundreds. We also were

> told today that there is only a 15% chance any meds will help him,

> since the keppra hasn't and that the ketogenic diet only helps 20% of

> people. Is there anyone out there that has any information or is

> this all true and there really is very little hope. He is already

> unable to walk without us holding onto him, his speech is

> deteriorating and he isn't learning anything new. So we just want

> some insight as to what to expect since none of our doctors seem to

> care or take any time to explain anything. As far as they have told

> us is that he will just always have seizures and he will be unable to

> learn any further if they are not controlled with this next med. We

> have moved to Depakote because they said the lamictil would take too

> long to get into his system since he is having so many seizures right

> now they want to try what works the quickest first. This has all

> been dumped on us in a very blunt way and it came out of the blue so

> we feel like the wind was knocked out of us. And now we are left to

> watch our son basically become menatlly retarded and no help in

> sight. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

>

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OH my please don't talk like that there is always help out there. I

have a friend that her son -has real bad tempers and seizers and a

few others things the doctors have told her I am sorry your son has

to be admitted and there is no hope!! She was not taking that for

nothing, she started to read up on anything she could find. also

everything, from natual medicine to diets her sons now has little

tempers sometimes but she never gave up on him. Her self is a

wonderful person and I give her so much credit. All of you guys out

there that are dealing with children and Epilepsy God Bless you.

-- In , " cindyosullivan "

<cindyosullivan@...> wrote:

>

> We have just found out that our son is having hundreds of seizures

a

> day. Atonic, absent, tonic clonic (occassionally) and myclonic all

> activity in the left temporal lobe. He was on Keppra because he

had

> one seizure they saw a few months ago and possibly a few seizures

> that we just didn't pick up on, but now it is hundreds. We also

were

> told today that there is only a 15% chance any meds will help him,

> since the keppra hasn't and that the ketogenic diet only helps 20%

of

> people. Is there anyone out there that has any information or is

> this all true and there really is very little hope. He is already

> unable to walk without us holding onto him, his speech is

> deteriorating and he isn't learning anything new. So we just want

> some insight as to what to expect since none of our doctors seem to

> care or take any time to explain anything. As far as they have

told

> us is that he will just always have seizures and he will be unable

to

> learn any further if they are not controlled with this next med.

We

> have moved to Depakote because they said the lamictil would take

too

> long to get into his system since he is having so many seizures

right

> now they want to try what works the quickest first. This has all

> been dumped on us in a very blunt way and it came out of the blue

so

> we feel like the wind was knocked out of us. And now we are left

to

> watch our son basically become menatlly retarded and no help in

> sight. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

>

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WOW! It is sooo hard to find the right Dr. and sometimes they don't

think about anyone's feelings. We had a similar situation and

thankfully have just recently been able to change Dr.'s . i would

look into that first! We are now so blessed with our new Dr. and he

has finally given us hope for our daughter. She has been fighting

with seizures since she was 7 weeks old and at one time she was on

four meds at the same time. It was sooo horrible. Honestly I don't

think the first Doc knew what she was doing, but that's a side note,

sorry. We finally after tons of fighting have our daughter down to

one med; Depakene and WOW what a difference we've seen in just a

month and a half! As far as her alertness and her seizure control; it

has all been good finally after fighting this for all these years to

see progress. She too started to fall drastically in her development

and at a young age' which we completely blame all the drugs on, for

sure! We too are considering the Keto. diet and her nutritionist and

Neurologist both think that now she could be a good canidate for it.

We want to weigh all the options first and look more into it, but

we're faithful in that it probably is the right decision, but right

now I couldn't see her go through the mass seizures while

transitioning. So, hopefully soon.:)

I do have to ask though; since on Depakote have you seen any

differences in his seizures? Less Frequent? I do know that every time

we have changed our daughter's meds. it will take at least two weeks

for her body to get use to the change and we see an abundency in

seizures and acutually the last time when we just switched she did

end up in the hospital for three days to regulate the new med and

make some changes. So, keep fighting because you are truly his best

advocate and I hope things can begin to settle down for him and for

the hard times you and your family has endured.

We'll be praying for all of you!

How old is he? Just curious:)

On a side note: We realized that our last Doc was possibly using our

daughter for her own gain possibly and she always said we couldn't go

to a different Doc. because she wouldn't agree to it. THAT CLAIM IS

WRONG! ( What we found the hard way) You can choose to find a

different doc at any time. If you can, I hope you consider it.

Good Luck, Have Hope and Keep The Faith!

>

> We have just found out that our son is having hundreds of seizures

a

> day. Atonic, absent, tonic clonic (occassionally) and myclonic all

> activity in the left temporal lobe. He was on Keppra because he

had

> one seizure they saw a few months ago and possibly a few seizures

> that we just didn't pick up on, but now it is hundreds. We also

were

> told today that there is only a 15% chance any meds will help him,

> since the keppra hasn't and that the ketogenic diet only helps 20%

of

> people. Is there anyone out there that has any information or is

> this all true and there really is very little hope. He is already

> unable to walk without us holding onto him, his speech is

> deteriorating and he isn't learning anything new. So we just want

> some insight as to what to expect since none of our doctors seem to

> care or take any time to explain anything. As far as they have

told

> us is that he will just always have seizures and he will be unable

to

> learn any further if they are not controlled with this next med.

We

> have moved to Depakote because they said the lamictil would take

too

> long to get into his system since he is having so many seizures

right

> now they want to try what works the quickest first. This has all

> been dumped on us in a very blunt way and it came out of the blue

so

> we feel like the wind was knocked out of us. And now we are left

to

> watch our son basically become menatlly retarded and no help in

> sight. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

>

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