Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor. DAVE SR Para. sECP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 As with all training and Assessing the course is only as good as the Instructor teaching / assessing it. Some instructors find it difficult to put the poit across, hence things get a little confused..... The Australian Resuscitation Council is a voluntary co-ordinating body which represents all major groups involved in the teaching and practice of resuscitation. I have attached the current BLS pdf (Ian I will also send it direct to you) Aston SrPara SrODP ALS Provider BTLS Advanced Instructor Coordinator Registered NREMT-P au Australia / US-DOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 _http://www.resus.org.au/_ (http://www.resus.org.au/) Ian this has links to all sites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something about it. This whole thing has huge contractual inplications (the dangerous practice aside) but without knowing what the actual Oz guidelines are we can't very well ask them to change, well we could but we'd have to go about it in a different way. It would help to have the Oz standards. Rgs Ian Re: More Help What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor. DAVE SR Para. sECP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Hi Ian, Sounds like an ³interpretation² of the old recommendations from Australian Resuscitation Council. Not current guidelines. I don¹t have access to them right now in Baggers but can send them later if required. Cheers, Gösta On 22/7/05 10:19 PM, " Sharpe, Ian [AT] " <I.Sharpe@...> wrote: > Gents, > > Any of you Austrailian types help me out. We have a contractor here who is > allegedly teaching first aid to Australian red cross guidelines, and states > the following... > > If you come across casualty firstly check cas. conscious level by verbal > contact and hand grasp - stating squeeze hand if you can hear me > If no response: > Place cas. in recovery position > Check pulse/breathing > If no signs then sweep mouth > Return cas. onto back, commence CPR. > > Just seems a bit odd and I'd like to read the guidelines for myself before we > (the client) make an issue of it. > > Thanks > > Ian > > Ian Sharpe > ³Fortitudine Vincimus² > Medical Response & Audit Coordinator > Agip Kazakhstan North Caspian Operating Company N. V. > Agip KCO > Chagala Centre > 1, K. Smagulova Street > Atyrau, 060002 > Republic of Kazakhstan > > Tel: + 31 70 341 3833 > Mob: + 7 300 747 0108 > Mail MRACoordinator@... > > This e-mail and any attached documents are intended only for the addressee(s) > named above. As this e-mail may contain confidential or legally privileged > information, please notify us immediately if you are not the named addressee > or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee, > and delete the message permanently. This e-mail and any attached documents > should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken without the prior > consent of the sender. > > > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to > the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Gosta, Please do send them on when you have them it would help enormously. Thanks Ian Re: More Help Hi Ian, Sounds like an ³interpretation² of the old recommendations from Australian Resuscitation Council. Not current guidelines. I don¹t have access to them right now in Baggers but can send them later if required. Cheers, Gösta On 22/7/05 10:19 PM, " Sharpe, Ian [AT] " <I.Sharpe@...> wrote: > Gents, > > Any of you Austrailian types help me out. We have a contractor here who is > allegedly teaching first aid to Australian red cross guidelines, and states > the following... > > If you come across casualty firstly check cas. conscious level by verbal > contact and hand grasp - stating squeeze hand if you can hear me > If no response: > Place cas. in recovery position > Check pulse/breathing > If no signs then sweep mouth > Return cas. onto back, commence CPR. > > Just seems a bit odd and I'd like to read the guidelines for myself before we > (the client) make an issue of it. > > Thanks > > Ian > > Ian Sharpe > ³Fortitudine Vincimus² > Medical Response & Audit Coordinator > Agip Kazakhstan North Caspian Operating Company N. V. > Agip KCO > Chagala Centre > 1, K. Smagulova Street > Atyrau, 060002 > Republic of Kazakhstan > > Tel: + 31 70 341 3833 > Mob: + 7 300 747 0108 > Mail MRACoordinator@... > > This e-mail and any attached documents are intended only for the addressee(s) > named above. As this e-mail may contain confidential or legally privileged > information, please notify us immediately if you are not the named addressee > or the person responsible for delivering the message to the named addressee, > and delete the message permanently. This e-mail and any attached documents > should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken without the prior > consent of the sender. > > > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to > the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Ian, If the patient is unconscious AND breathing, then they go into recovery position, if NOT breathing then start providing breaths and if no sign of circulation start CPR cycles. Maybe the guy has not presented this properly. Cheers, Ross " Sharpe, Ian [AT] " <I.Sharpe@...> wrote: Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something about it. This whole thing has huge contractual inplications (the dangerous practice aside) but without knowing what the actual Oz guidelines are we can't very well ask them to change, well we could but we'd have to go about it in a different way. It would help to have the Oz standards. Rgs Ian Re: More Help What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor. DAVE SR Para. sECP --------------------------------- Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 The old recommendations in Australia were to place casualty in recovery position prior to assessing breathing and circulation then rolling them back if required for EAR and or CPR. This has changed in the last few years. Cheers, Gösta On 22/7/05 10:46 PM, " Ross Boardman " <ross.boardman@...> wrote: > Ian, > > If the patient is unconscious AND breathing, then they go into recovery > position, if NOT breathing then start providing breaths and if no sign of > circulation start CPR cycles. Maybe the guy has not presented this properly. > > Cheers, > > Ross > > " Sharpe, Ian [AT] " <I.Sharpe@...> wrote: > Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something about it. This > whole thing has huge contractual inplications (the dangerous practice aside) > but without knowing what the actual Oz guidelines are we can't very well ask > them to change, well we could but we'd have to go about it in a different way. > It would help to have the Oz standards. > > Rgs > > Ian > > Re: More Help > > > What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the > recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR > !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor. > > > DAVE > SR Para. sECP > > > > --------------------------------- > Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Ross, Nope it is definitely their method of teaching. its witnessed and in the literature they provide, they (the contractor) maintain they are following Oz guidelines. I obviously need to disproved this before we can move forward. Thanks Ian Re: More Help What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor. DAVE SR Para. sECP --------------------------------- Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Hi Ian Bottom line is that Australia is part of ILCOR. They set the guuidlines in the US, Canada, South Africa, Europe, New Zealand and the Australia. http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/circulationaha;95/8/2172 What he is teaching conflicts with international recommendations and the burden of proove lay with the tutor. If he can't prove with EBM that what he is teaching is current then he should not be in his position. I did a quick internet search and came up with these sites which you may wish to contact regarding this. Because at the end of the day our word on this discussion list stands for nothing. You need official verification. I suggest you visit their website: www.resus.org.au and contact the resus council direct. Mike > Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something about it. This whole thing has huge contractual inplications (the dangerous practice aside) but without knowing what the actual Oz guidelines are we can't very well ask them to change, well we could but we'd have to go about it in a different way. It would help to have the Oz standards. > > Rgs > > Ian > > Re: More Help > > > What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the > recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR > !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor. > > > DAVE > SR Para. sECP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 The bottom line for the teaching of Basic Life Support Skills, you should have a current instructors rating in the teaching of this skill set, from the country of your licence or certification, for offshore medics that would be the UK Resuscitation Council. Regards Mike > > Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something > about it. This whole thing has huge contractual inplications (the > dangerous practice aside) but without knowing what the actual Oz > guidelines are we can't very well ask them to change, well we could > but we'd have to go about it in a different way. It would help to > have the Oz standards. > > > > Rgs > > > > Ian > > > > Re: More Help > > > > > > What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put > them into the > > recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN > commence CPR > > !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor. > > > > > > DAVE > > SR Para. sECP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Mike, The company is actually a contractor actually and we have called them in for a meeting and he'll shortly be amending his methods, if he doesn't well then very probably he won't be teaching for us much longer. Rgs Ian Re: More Help > > > What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put them into the > recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN commence CPR > !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor. > > > DAVE > SR Para. sECP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Mike The bottom line is anything other than what is in the contract with the company matters not one iota, this at the end of the day is Kazakhstan. We all know what the instructor should have, whether he does or not is a whole different story. Now I have the info i needed. we can work the issue contractually. Cheers Ian Re: More Help > > > > > > What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put > them into the > > recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN > commence CPR > > !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor. > > > > > > DAVE > > SR Para. sECP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Hi Ian The last message signed Mike - I didn't write. Not sure what is going on with that - but hey, doesnt matter in the scheme of things. Mike Bjarkoy > > > Appreciate that Dave which is why we are going to do something > > about it. This whole thing has huge contractual inplications (the > > dangerous practice aside) but without knowing what the actual Oz > > guidelines are we can't very well ask them to change, well we > could > > but we'd have to go about it in a different way. It would help to > > have the Oz standards. > > > > > > Rgs > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > Re: More Help > > > > > > > > > What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put > > them into the > > > recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN > > commence CPR > > > !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor. > > > > > > > > > DAVE > > > SR Para. sECP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2005 Report Share Posted July 23, 2005 Mike there are a number of Mikes. ! Cheers Ian PS Did you get the infor you wanted ? Re: More Help > > > > > > > > > What a load of tosh,................ I know, after you've put > > them into the > > > recovery position, when not do a full secondary survey and THEN > > commence CPR > > > !!!. Christ !, how dangerous is that instructor. > > > > > > > > > DAVE > > > SR Para. sECP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 First I would like to say that I am so sorry for the pain that you must find yourself in. And even a little sensitivity and understanding on the part of the doctors would be a lot of help! I know my son's neurologist is hard to understand and the situation is very cut and dry with him. It is frustrating. My son is on Keppra but they keep increasing the dose because it doesn't seem to work consistently. I have also been told routine is a must for my son and we have to keep excitement to a minimum. These aren't easy things, but the doctor tells us like it's not a big deal. Our pediatrician also wrote a book about the ketogenic diet and she has a son with epilepsy and it worked for him so she swears by it, but my son has severe allergies and is a picky eater so we haven't tried it, but have you tried it? Seizures are a very hard thing to deal with, they are so unpredictable. I wish there was an easy answer, but all I can offer is support and the experiences I have and have heard of. > > We have just found out that our son is having hundreds of seizures a > day. Atonic, absent, tonic clonic (occassionally) and myclonic all > activity in the left temporal lobe. He was on Keppra because he had > one seizure they saw a few months ago and possibly a few seizures > that we just didn't pick up on, but now it is hundreds. We also were > told today that there is only a 15% chance any meds will help him, > since the keppra hasn't and that the ketogenic diet only helps 20% of > people. Is there anyone out there that has any information or is > this all true and there really is very little hope. He is already > unable to walk without us holding onto him, his speech is > deteriorating and he isn't learning anything new. So we just want > some insight as to what to expect since none of our doctors seem to > care or take any time to explain anything. As far as they have told > us is that he will just always have seizures and he will be unable to > learn any further if they are not controlled with this next med. We > have moved to Depakote because they said the lamictil would take too > long to get into his system since he is having so many seizures right > now they want to try what works the quickest first. This has all > been dumped on us in a very blunt way and it came out of the blue so > we feel like the wind was knocked out of us. And now we are left to > watch our son basically become menatlly retarded and no help in > sight. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 OH my please don't talk like that there is always help out there. I have a friend that her son -has real bad tempers and seizers and a few others things the doctors have told her I am sorry your son has to be admitted and there is no hope!! She was not taking that for nothing, she started to read up on anything she could find. also everything, from natual medicine to diets her sons now has little tempers sometimes but she never gave up on him. Her self is a wonderful person and I give her so much credit. All of you guys out there that are dealing with children and Epilepsy God Bless you. -- In , " cindyosullivan " <cindyosullivan@...> wrote: > > We have just found out that our son is having hundreds of seizures a > day. Atonic, absent, tonic clonic (occassionally) and myclonic all > activity in the left temporal lobe. He was on Keppra because he had > one seizure they saw a few months ago and possibly a few seizures > that we just didn't pick up on, but now it is hundreds. We also were > told today that there is only a 15% chance any meds will help him, > since the keppra hasn't and that the ketogenic diet only helps 20% of > people. Is there anyone out there that has any information or is > this all true and there really is very little hope. He is already > unable to walk without us holding onto him, his speech is > deteriorating and he isn't learning anything new. So we just want > some insight as to what to expect since none of our doctors seem to > care or take any time to explain anything. As far as they have told > us is that he will just always have seizures and he will be unable to > learn any further if they are not controlled with this next med. We > have moved to Depakote because they said the lamictil would take too > long to get into his system since he is having so many seizures right > now they want to try what works the quickest first. This has all > been dumped on us in a very blunt way and it came out of the blue so > we feel like the wind was knocked out of us. And now we are left to > watch our son basically become menatlly retarded and no help in > sight. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 WOW! It is sooo hard to find the right Dr. and sometimes they don't think about anyone's feelings. We had a similar situation and thankfully have just recently been able to change Dr.'s . i would look into that first! We are now so blessed with our new Dr. and he has finally given us hope for our daughter. She has been fighting with seizures since she was 7 weeks old and at one time she was on four meds at the same time. It was sooo horrible. Honestly I don't think the first Doc knew what she was doing, but that's a side note, sorry. We finally after tons of fighting have our daughter down to one med; Depakene and WOW what a difference we've seen in just a month and a half! As far as her alertness and her seizure control; it has all been good finally after fighting this for all these years to see progress. She too started to fall drastically in her development and at a young age' which we completely blame all the drugs on, for sure! We too are considering the Keto. diet and her nutritionist and Neurologist both think that now she could be a good canidate for it. We want to weigh all the options first and look more into it, but we're faithful in that it probably is the right decision, but right now I couldn't see her go through the mass seizures while transitioning. So, hopefully soon. I do have to ask though; since on Depakote have you seen any differences in his seizures? Less Frequent? I do know that every time we have changed our daughter's meds. it will take at least two weeks for her body to get use to the change and we see an abundency in seizures and acutually the last time when we just switched she did end up in the hospital for three days to regulate the new med and make some changes. So, keep fighting because you are truly his best advocate and I hope things can begin to settle down for him and for the hard times you and your family has endured. We'll be praying for all of you! How old is he? Just curious:) On a side note: We realized that our last Doc was possibly using our daughter for her own gain possibly and she always said we couldn't go to a different Doc. because she wouldn't agree to it. THAT CLAIM IS WRONG! ( What we found the hard way) You can choose to find a different doc at any time. If you can, I hope you consider it. Good Luck, Have Hope and Keep The Faith! > > We have just found out that our son is having hundreds of seizures a > day. Atonic, absent, tonic clonic (occassionally) and myclonic all > activity in the left temporal lobe. He was on Keppra because he had > one seizure they saw a few months ago and possibly a few seizures > that we just didn't pick up on, but now it is hundreds. We also were > told today that there is only a 15% chance any meds will help him, > since the keppra hasn't and that the ketogenic diet only helps 20% of > people. Is there anyone out there that has any information or is > this all true and there really is very little hope. He is already > unable to walk without us holding onto him, his speech is > deteriorating and he isn't learning anything new. So we just want > some insight as to what to expect since none of our doctors seem to > care or take any time to explain anything. As far as they have told > us is that he will just always have seizures and he will be unable to > learn any further if they are not controlled with this next med. We > have moved to Depakote because they said the lamictil would take too > long to get into his system since he is having so many seizures right > now they want to try what works the quickest first. This has all > been dumped on us in a very blunt way and it came out of the blue so > we feel like the wind was knocked out of us. And now we are left to > watch our son basically become menatlly retarded and no help in > sight. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.