confused

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I didn't even realize Dr. Rima & Laibow were even the same person.

But now that I think of it I did know that before because I saw her on the

Jessie Ventura show but there's just so much information, sometimes it gets

overwhelming.

Thank you, again.

Marsha

>

> Ralph is a lawyer in NJ who helps Dr Rima Laibow, she is down in Panama

> Dr Louis Vastola

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I didn't even realize Dr. Rima & Laibow were even the same person.

But now that I think of it I did know that before because I saw her on the

Jessie Ventura show but there's just so much information, sometimes it gets

overwhelming.

Thank you, again.

Marsha

>

> Ralph is a lawyer in NJ who helps Dr Rima Laibow, she is down in Panama

> Dr Louis Vastola

>

[Guest guest]

Nope. That did it, thanks.

Marsha

> >

> > Ralph is a lawyer in NJ who helps Dr Rima Laibow, she is down in Panama

> > Dr Louis Vastola

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nope. That did it, thanks.

Marsha

> >

> > Ralph is a lawyer in NJ who helps Dr Rima Laibow, she is down in Panama

> > Dr Louis Vastola

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hopefully, we will be able to help you but we first need some

answers.

When our metabolism is low, unfortunately, we are susceptible to

every bug and virus going and you need to get your metabolism moving in order

to be able to shift them. What medication are you taking right now? What were

your last thyroid function test results (we need the reference range for each

test). Have you done the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile with Genova

Diagnostics? Have you had the following blood tests done, and if not, can you

get them done by your GP? These are ferritin (stored iron), vitamin B12,

vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc. If any of these are low in the

reference range, no matter how much thyroid hormone your gland is secreting, it

will not be able to be properly utilised in the cells. Could you have systemic

candidiasis? Is there a possibility you are suffering with mercury poisoning

through amalgam fillings?

Luv - Sheila

I had my thyroid removed 18 months ago after

suspect cells were found, all okay in the end - luckily. Currently seeing Dr.P

but cannot get to speak to him until early May. Is your immune system affected

afterwards because I seem susceptible to every virus going? I am currently

suffering from blocked ears after a cold 4 weeks ago, feeling low and having

trouble fighting it off.

Can anyone help?

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Hi, Until your thyroid is adequately replaced, then yes, anecdotal evidence indicates susceptability to 'everything going'. As soon as I got the right meds I stopped having colds sore throats etc- also my allergies decreased. Are you supplementing zinc selenium and vit C? the latter particularly will help you to fight off the bugs, sucking the zinc gluconate will help too- it tastes revolting, but can 'kill' a cold in a couple of days. Interestingly if you are low in zinc you won't be able to taste it- get the 'with copper' version as it is vital to use both metals together. it works by stopping or slowing the virus dividing, thus giving your own immune system a better chance at getting it. > thyroid treatment > From: jbellis@...> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 17:40:25 +0000> Subject: Confused> > I had my thyroid removed 18 months ago after suspect cells were found, all okay in the end - luckily. Currently seeing Dr.P but cannot get to speak to him until early May. Is your immune system affected afterwards because I seem susceptible to every virus going? I am currently suffering from blocked ears after a cold 4 weeks ago, feeling low and having trouble fighting it off.> > Can anyone help? > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Hi Sheila,I had tests done by Genova before I had my thyroid removed:-Thyroid Hormones - UrineUrine Volume 850T3 927T4 886T3 T4 Ratio 1.05Candida - antibodies SalivaNegativeAdrenal Stress Profile (Saliva)Cortisol LevelsSample 1 5.5 Outside rangeSample 2 3.5 Outside rangeSample 3 2.4 Outside rangeSample 4 1.3 Inside rangeDaily total

12.7 Outside rangeDHEA LevelsSample 2 1.30 Outside rangeSample 3 0,72 Outside rangeDHEA Cortisol Ratio 7.95 Outside rangeDHEA Mean 1.01I am taking 4 tablets of Nutri Adrenal Extra, 1000mg of Vitamin C, 1 Co-enzyme Q10, 75mg of thyroxin and 100mg of T3 (just reduced from 125mg). Also taking 1 x Echinacea and 1 Naproxyn.My last blood test results were on the 8th MarchSerum free triiodothyronine Level = 14.2 pmolSerum free T4 level = 6.8 pmolSerum TSH level <0.01 mu/LResults suggest T3 thyrotoxicosis. Suggest endocrine referral.My average temperature 35.9 - 36.2Pulse ranges from 89 on waking and 90 - 103

P.M.I have not had any of the other blood tests that you mentioned. What is the significance of these?RegardsJeanetteFrom: Sheila <sheila@...>Subject: RE: Confusedthyroid treatment Date: Saturday, 3 April, 2010, 10:58

Hopefully, we will be able to help you but we first need some

answers. When our metabolism is low, unfortunately, we are susceptible to

every bug and virus going and you need to get your metabolism moving in order

to be able to shift them. What medication are you taking right now? What were

your last thyroid function test results (we need the reference range for each

test). Have you done the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile with Genova

Diagnostics? Have you had the following blood tests done, and if not, can you

get them done by your GP? These are ferritin (stored iron), vitamin B12,

vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc. If any of these are low in the

reference range, no matter how much thyroid hormone your gland is secreting, it

will not be able to be properly utilised in the cells. Could you have systemic

candidiasis? Is there a possibility you are suffering with mercury poisoning

through amalgam fillings? Luv - Sheila

I had my thyroid removed 18 months ago after

suspect cells were found, all okay in the end - luckily. Currently seeing Dr.P

but cannot get to speak to him until early May. Is your immune system affected

afterwards because I seem susceptible to every virus going? I am currently

suffering from blocked ears after a cold 4 weeks ago, feeling low and having

trouble fighting it off.

Can anyone help?

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Hi ,I am taking 1000mg of Vitamin C and 1 x Echinacea. Where do you recommend getting the other supplements from and do you take them all the time?JeanetteFrom: jenny stenning <jennystenning@...>Subject: RE: Confused"sheila turner" <thyroid treatment >Date: Saturday, 3 April, 2010, 12:06

Hi, Until your thyroid is adequately replaced, then yes, anecdotal evidence indicates susceptability to 'everything going'. As soon as I got the right meds I stopped having colds sore throats etc- also my allergies decreased.

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanette, whenever you post any test results, you should

always post the reference ranges too because we have no way of knowing whether

they were at the bottom, the middle or the top of the reference range.

" Outside " range doesn't tell us this either. Can you post them again

with the reference ranges please or simply resend your message with the ref.

ranges added..

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila,

I had tests done by Genova before I had my thyroid

removed:-

Thyroid Hormones - Urine

Urine Volume 850

T3

927

T4

886

T3 T4 Ratio 1.05

Candida - antibodies Saliva

Negative

Adrenal Stress Profile (Saliva)

Cortisol Levels

Sample 1 5.5 Outside range

Sample 2 3.5 Outside range

Sample 3 2.4 Outside range

Sample 4 1.3 Inside range

Daily total 12.7 Outside range

DHEA Levels

Sample 2 1.30 Outside range

Sample 3 0,72 Outside range

DHEA Cortisol Ratio 7.95 Outside range

DHEA Mean 1.01

I am taking 4 tablets of Nutri Adrenal Extra, 1000mg of

Vitamin C, 1 Co-enzyme Q10, 75mg of thyroxin and 100mg of T3 (just reduced

from 125mg). Also taking 1 x Echinacea and 1 Naproxyn.

My last blood test results were on the 8th March

Serum free triiodothyronine Level = 14.2 pmol

Serum free T4 level = 6.8 pmol

Serum TSH level <0.01 mu/L

Results suggest T3 thyrotoxicosis. Suggest endocrine

referral.

My average temperature 35.9 - 36.2

Pulse ranges from 89 on waking and 90 - 103 P.M.

I have not had any of the other blood tests that you

mentioned. What is the significance of these?

Regards

Jeanette

From: Sheila <sheila@...>

Subject: RE: Confused

thyroid treatment

Date: Saturday, 3 April, 2010, 10:58

Hopefully, we will be able to help you

but we first need some answers.

When our metabolism is low,

unfortunately, we are susceptible to every bug and virus going and you need

to get your metabolism moving in order to be able to shift them. What

medication are you taking right now? What were your last thyroid function test

results (we need the reference range for each test). Have you done the 24

hour salivary adrenal profile with Genova Diagnostics? Have you had the

following blood tests done, and if not, can you get them done by your GP?

These are ferritin (stored iron), vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate,

copper and zinc. If any of these are low in the reference range, no matter

how much thyroid hormone your gland is secreting, it will not be able to be

properly utilised in the cells. Could you have systemic candidiasis? Is there

a possibility you are suffering with mercury poisoning through amalgam

fillings?

Luv - Sheila

I had my thyroid removed 18 months ago after suspect cells were found, all

okay in the end - luckily. Currently seeing Dr.P but cannot get to speak to

him until early May. Is your immune system affected afterwards because I seem

susceptible to every virus going? I am currently suffering from blocked ears

after a cold 4 weeks ago, feeling low and having trouble fighting it off.

Can anyone help?

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Hi Sheila,Sorry I have amended.RegardsJeanette

From: Sheila <sheilatpauk (DOT) com>

Subject: RE: [thyroidpatientadvo cacy] Confused

thyroidpatientadvoc acygroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, 3 April, 2010, 10:58

Hopefully, we will be able to help you

but we first need some answers. When our metabolism is low,

unfortunately, we are susceptible to every bug and virus going and you need

to get your metabolism moving in order to be able to shift them. What

medication are you taking right now? What were your last thyroid function test

results (we need the reference range for each test). Have you done the 24

hour salivary adrenal profile with Genova Diagnostics? Have you had the

following blood tests done, and if not, can you get them done by your GP?

These are ferritin (stored iron), vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate,

copper and zinc. If any of these are low in the reference range, no matter

how much thyroid hormone your gland is secreting, it will not be able to be

properly utilised in the cells. Could you have systemic candidiasis? Is there

a possibility you are suffering with mercury poisoning through amalgam

fillings? Luv - Sheila

I had my thyroid removed 18 months ago after suspect cells were found, all

okay in the end - luckily. Currently seeing Dr.P but cannot get to speak to

him until early May. Is your immune system affected afterwards because I seem

susceptible to every virus going? I am currently suffering from blocked ears

after a cold 4 weeks ago, feeling low and having trouble fighting it off.

Can anyone help?

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Again, you showed no blood tests for these latest test results,

but it is obvious your T3 is too high which suggests you are taking too much.

When did you last increase your dose of T3 and why was it increased. Were you suffering

any of the symptoms of hyperthyroidism?

Being restless, nervous, emotional,

irritable, sleeping poorly, and 'always on the go'.

Tremor

of the hands.

Losing

weight despite an increased appetite.

Palpitations.

Sweating,

a dislike of heat and an increased thirst.

Diarrhoea

or needing to go to the toilet to pass faeces more often than normal.

Shortness

of breath.

Skin

problems such as hair thinning and itch.

Menstrual

changes - often the periods become very light or infrequent.

Tiredness

and muscle weakness may be a feature.

A

swelling of the thyroid gland in the neck (goitre) may occur.

Eye

problems

The reason for the

other blood tests we recommend is because those who are suffeirng with the

symptoms of hypothyroidism often don't feel any effect after taking thyroid

hormone replacement, and often, this is because the thyroid hormone is unable

to get into their cells if any of those results show low in the reference

range. Such people need to take supplements of whatever they are low in before

thyroid hormone replacement will work properly. The blood tests you have had

done ONLY test the level of thyroid hormone that is in your blood and they do

not test to see whether the thyroid hormone is getting into your cells. If it floats

around in your blood, going nowhere, you will get symptoms of toxicity.

However, how are you feeling now. What symptoms do you have now that you have

lowered your dose of T3?

Luv - Sheila

My last blood test results were on the 8th March

Serum free triiodothyronine Level = 14.2 pmol

Serum free T4 level = 6.8 pmol

Serum TSH level <0.01 mu/L

Results suggest T3 thyrotoxicosis. Suggest endocrine referral

My average temperature 35.9 - 36.2

Pulse ranges from 89 on waking and 90 - 103 P.M.

I have not had any of the other blood tests that you mentioned. What

is the significance of these?

Regards

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Hi Suzanne, When posting test resuts please put the ranges too- thay can vary ( but not usually by much depending on what 'kit' the lab uses. Since your thyroidectomy have you been retested? One would expect the high T3 level to dissapear within a few days. Have you started thyroid replacement therapy yet? How do you feel? Remember if taking thyroid replacement you should not take meds for 24 hours before testing or the results can look 'better' than they are. Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now.

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Hi Jeanette, try http://www.biovea.com or http://www.iherb.com both of which are reliable.thyroid treatment From: jbellis@...Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:25:48 +0000Subject: RE: Confused

Hi ,I am taking 1000mg of Vitamin C and 1 x Echinacea. Where do you recommend getting the other supplements from and do you take them all the time?JeanetteFrom: jenny stenning <jennystenning@...>Subject: RE: Confused"sheila turner" <thyroid treatment >Date: Saturday, 3 April, 2010, 12:06

Hi, Until your thyroid is adequately replaced, then yes, anecdotal evidence indicates susceptability to 'everything going'. As soon as I got the right meds I stopped having colds sore throats etc- also my allergies decreased.

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Hi Sheila,

I increased T3 to 125mg from 100mg on the 10th December, due to feeling cold. I reduced back down again on the 19th February.

I am feeling tired despite having a good 8 hours - my lids feel heavy. I went on holiday with 2 friends the same age as me at the end of February and I felt like a geriatric compared to them. My joints ache, particularly in the feet and when I stand up I feel light headed and struggle to get going for a bit. Everything feels like an effort to do.

Help!!

Jeanette

From: Sheila <sheila@...>Subject: RE: Confusedthyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 6 April, 2010, 7:37

Again, you showed no blood tests for these latest test results, but it is obvious your T3 is too high which suggests you are taking too much. When did you last increase your dose of T3 and why was it increased. Were you suffering any of the symptoms of hyperthyroidism?

Being restless, nervous, emotional, irritable, sleeping poorly, and 'always on the go'.

Tremor of the hands.

Losing weight despite an increased appetite.

Palpitations.

Sweating, a dislike of heat and an increased thirst.

Diarrhoea or needing to go to the toilet to pass faeces more often than normal.

Shortness of breath.

Skin problems such as hair thinning and itch.

Menstrual changes - often the periods become very light or infrequent.

Tiredness and muscle weakness may be a feature.

A swelling of the thyroid gland in the neck (goitre) may occur.

Eye problems

The reason for the other blood tests we recommend is because those who are suffeirng with the symptoms of hypothyroidism often don't feel any effect after taking thyroid hormone replacement, and often, this is because the thyroid hormone is unable to get into their cells if any of those results show low in the reference range. Such people need to take supplements of whatever they are low in before thyroid hormone replacement will work properly. The blood tests you have had done ONLY test the level of thyroid hormone that is in your blood and they do not test to see whether the thyroid hormone is getting into your cells. If it floats around in your blood, going nowhere, you will get symptoms of toxicity. However, how are you feeling now. What symptoms do you have now that you have lowered your dose of T3?

Luv - Sheila

My last blood test results were on the 8th March

Serum free triiodothyronine Level = 14.2 pmol (2.8 - 7.1)

Serum free T4 level = 6.8 pmol (12.0 - 22.0)

Serum TSH level <0.01 mu/L

Results suggest T3 thyrotoxicosis. Suggest endocrine referral

My average temperature 35.9 - 36.2

Pulse ranges from 89 on waking and 90 - 103 P.M.

I have not had any of the other blood tests that you mentioned. What is the significance of these?

Regards

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Hi ,

I had my thyroid in November 2008 and yes I am on 100mg of T3 and 75mg of T4. The last time I saw Dr.P he told me that my body was not converting T4 to T3. I was not aware of not taking meds before blood tests.

Jeanette

From: jenny stenning <jennystenning@...>Subject: RE: Confused"sheila turner" <thyroid treatment >Date: Tuesday, 6 April, 2010, 11:03

Hi Suzanne, When posting test resuts please put the ranges too- thay can vary ( but not usually by much depending on what 'kit' the lab uses. Since your thyroidectomy have you been retested? One would expect the high T3 level to dissapear within a few days. Have you started thyroid replacement therapy yet? How do you feel? Remember if taking thyroid replacement you should not take meds for 24 hours before testing or the results can look 'better' than they are.

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Hi Jeanette, Have a look in the files and do the adrenal questionnaire and see how you score. thyroid treatment From: jbellis@...Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:41:18 +0000Subject: RE: Confused

Hi Sheila,

I increased T3 to 125mg from 100mg on the 10th December, due to feeling cold. I reduced back down again on the 19th February.

I am feeling tired despite having a good 8 hours - my lids feel heavy. I went on holiday with 2 friends the same age as me at the end of February and I felt like a geriatric compared to them. My joints ache, particularly in the feet and when I stand up I feel light headed and struggle to get going for a bit. Everything feels like an effort to do.

Help!!

Jeanette

From: Sheila <sheila@...>Subject: RE: Confusedthyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, 6 April, 2010, 7:37

Again, you showed no blood tests for these latest test results, but it is obvious your T3 is too high which suggests you are taking too much. When did you last increase your dose of T3 and why was it increased. Were you suffering any of the symptoms of hyperthyroidism?

Being restless, nervous, emotional, irritable, sleeping poorly, and 'always on the go'.

Tremor of the hands.

Losing weight despite an increased appetite.

Palpitations.

Sweating, a dislike of heat and an increased thirst.

Diarrhoea or needing to go to the toilet to pass faeces more often than normal.

Shortness of breath.

Skin problems such as hair thinning and itch.

Menstrual changes - often the periods become very light or infrequent.

Tiredness and muscle weakness may be a feature.

A swelling of the thyroid gland in the neck (goitre) may occur.

Eye problems

The reason for the other blood tests we recommend is because those who are suffeirng with the symptoms of hypothyroidism often don't feel any effect after taking thyroid hormone replacement, and often, this is because the thyroid hormone is unable to get into their cells if any of those results show low in the reference range. Such people need to take supplements of whatever they are low in before thyroid hormone replacement will work properly. The blood tests you have had done ONLY test the level of thyroid hormone that is in your blood and they do not test to see whether the thyroid hormone is getting into your cells. If it floats around in your blood, going nowhere, you will get symptoms of toxicity. However, how are you feeling now. What symptoms do you have now that you have lowered your dose of T3?

Luv - Sheila

My last blood test results were on the 8th March

Serum free triiodothyronine Level = 14.2 pmol (2.8 - 7.1)

Serum free T4 level = 6.8 pmol (12.0 - 22.0)

Serum TSH level <0.01 mu/L

Results suggest T3 thyrotoxicosis. Suggest endocrine referral

My average temperature 35.9 - 36.2

Pulse ranges from 89 on waking and 90 - 103 P.M.

I have not had any of the other blood tests that you mentioned. What is the significance of these?

Regards

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Jeanette

Before

responding to messages, please can you delete most of the previous messages and

leave just a portion of what you are responding to as it is very frustrating

for those receiving a Daily Digest or who read directly from the forum web site

to have to scroll through what they have read before, in order to get to the next

message.

You

sound to have low adrenal reserve. If you have a BP monitor (preferably a cuff

one rather than wrist) then take your BP sitting down, and immediately on

standing. Best to have somebody do this for you as you should have the arm

(when standing- resting on somebody's shoulder as it should be above the level

of your heart. If the BP drops by several points on standing, this is low

adrenal reserve and must be treated as this condition stops the thyroid hormone

from getting properly absorbed into the cells.

There

may be no need to spend a lot of money on having the 24 hour salivary adrenal

test done if you do not actually have adrenal insufficiency. Here are some

tests you can do at home to see whether you should then get properly tested for

low cortisol and DHEA. Below are 'home tests': (I have taken these from

" Adrenal Fatigue - the 21st century Stress Syndrome - by K )

Test 1)   Iris contraction:

When exploring the pupil area reflex, I found that in the iris

of those cases (adrenal insufficiency), although reacting readily to light, the

contraction (of the iris) was flabby, lazy, in a word asthenia. By making the

patient look at the light we see that immediately after the initial mitosis the

pupil starts to dilate slowly as if it does not want to, seems to try to

contract again but the dilation gains the upper hand and, after a fight between

miosis and mydriasis lasting for about 40 seconds, the pupil remains dilated in

spite of the persistence of the exciting agent (the light).  This sign is

consistent and present in all cases of hypoadrenia in all of its clinical

forms. In the normal individual, it does not appear as I have investigated. All

patients presenting this sign, which I should like to call asthenocaria, have

been benefited by suprarenal medication (Arroyo, CF. Med Jour. and Rac., Jan 2,

1924)

The

quote above, describes Dr Arroyo's discovery in 1924 of a very useful method

for detecting adrenal fatigue. You can do this test at home yourself. he only

equipment you need is a chair, a small flashlight or penlight, a mirror, a

watch with a second hand and a dark room. Darken the room and sit in a chair in

from of a mirror . Then shin a flashlight across one eye (not directly into the

eye) from the side of your head. Keep the light shining steadily across one eye

and watch in the mirror with the other. You should see your pupil (the dark

circle in the centre of the eye) contact immediately as the light h its your

eye. This occurs because the iris, a tiny circular muscle composed of small

muscle fibres, contracts and dilates the pupil in response to light. Just like

any muscle, after it has been exercised beyond normal capacity, it likes to

have a rest.

The

pupil normally remains contracted in the increased light,. But, if you have some

form of hypoadrenia, the pupil will not be able to hold its contraction and

will dilate despite the light shining on it. his dilation will take place

within 2 minutes and will last for about 30 - 45 seconds before it recovers and

contracts again,. time how long the dilation lasts with the second hand on the

watch and record it along with the date. After you do this once, let the eyes

rest,. If you have any difficulty doing this on yourself, do it with a friend.

Have a friend shin the light across your eye while both of you watch the pupil

size.

Retest

monthly. If your eye indicates you are suffering from adrenal fatigue, this

also serves as an indicator of recovery. s you recover from adrenal fatigue,

the iris will h old its contraction and the pupil will remain small for longer.

This diminished ability of the iris to remain contracted is present in moderate

to severe adrenal fatigue, but may not be present in mild cases.

Test  2)   Low Blood Pressure and Postural Low Blood Pressure

Blood

pressure is an important indicator of adrenal function. Although there are

other causes associated with low blood pressure, low adrenal function is

probably the most common and the most neglected by doctors.

If

your blood pressure drops when you stand up from a lying position, this almost

always indicates low adrenals. This drop in blood pressure upon rising is

called postural hypotension and can easily be measured at home. All you need is

a blood pressure gauge from a local drug store. Get the type that takes your BP

for you without requiring a separate stethoscope. Some also have convenient

printed readouts. after you know how to use your blood pressure measuring

device, lie down quietly for about 10 minutes and then take your blood pressure

while still lying down. Next, stand up and measure your blood pressure right

after you stand. Normally, BP will rise 10-2- mmHg, just from standing up. If

it drops when you stand up, you likely have some form of hypoadrenia or you may

be dehydrated. If so, try it again on a day when you have had plenty of water.

it will not work to just drink a glass of water and then try again right away

because your tissues take a while to re-hydrate after drinking. If it still

drops 10-20 points or more when you are sure you are not dehydrated, you

probably have some form of hypoadrenia. The more severe the drop is, the more

severe is the hypoadrenia. An associated dizziness or light-headedness may also

be present when you stand, sol do this test with somebody beside you or have

something you can grab on to in case you become dizzy. (Note: if you are a

complete vegetarian, your blood pressure may normally be around 95/65. If so,

then your lower overall blood pressure does not necessarily mean you have

hypoadrenia. However, a drop in blood pressure upon standing up from a lying

position will still indicate hypoadrenia

Test 3) Sergent's White Line (present in about 40% of people

with adrenal fatigue)

This

test was first described in 1917 by a French physician named Emile Sergent, as

a simple test for low adrenal function that is still useful today. To do this

test, simply take the dull end of a ballpoint pen and lightly stroke the skin

of your abdomen, making a mark about 6 " long. Within a few seconds a line

will appear. In a normal reaction, the mark made by the pen is initially white

but reddens within a few seconds. If you have hypoadrenia, the line will stay

white for about two minutes and will also widen. his test, although not always

positive in people with hypoadrenia (about 40% of cases), is a slam dunk

confirmation of the presence of hypoadrenia.

It

is best to do all these three tests: the iris contraction, blood pressure lying

and standing, and Sergent's white line test. The first two are reliable

indicators found in nearly every moderate to severe case of adrenal fatigue but

often not in mild cases. Sergent's white line is only present in moderate to

severe hypoadrenia and, in borderline cases, may only be present when the

adrenals are at low ebb. The adrenal questionnaire found in our files can be

your guide, especially in mild cases because symptoms of adrenal fatigue

usually precede signs.

Test 4

Are

you very sensitive to bright light? That could be a sign of adrenal fatigue.

And this can also be true if you have searing headaches along with the

sensitivity.

Test 5:

You can determine your thyroid and adrenal status by following Dr. Rind with a

temperature graph. You simply take your temp 3 times a day, starting three

hours after you wake up, and every three hours after that, to equal three

temps. (If you have eaten or exercised right before it's time to take your

temp, wait 20 more minutes.) Then average them for that day. Do this for

several days. If your averaged temp is fluctuating from day to day more than

-0.2 degrees, you need adrenal support. If it is fluctuating but overall low,

you need more adrenal support and thyroid. If it is fluctuating but averaging

98.6, you just need adrenal support. If it is steady but low, you need more

thyroid and adrenals are likely fine. (We note that mercury thermometers are

the most accurate.)

And Even More Conclusive:

A 24-hour adrenal saliva test. Doctors tend to recommend a one-time blood

test, or an ACTH STIM test, but patients have found both to be inadequate

measures to discern sluggish adrenals. The ACTH will tell you how much

stimulation your adrenals are getting, but not how much cortisol they are

producing. Instead, we have relied on the 24 hour adrenal saliva test, which

tests your cortisol levels at four different times of day and allows you to

view your daily cyclic adrenal function. (And note that if you are very

hypothyroid, you readings may actually be even lower than your saliva results

will show, since being hypothyroid results in a slower clearance of cortisol

from your body.)

Luv

- Sheila

Hi Sheila,

I increased T3 to 125mg from 100mg on the 10th December,

due to feeling cold. I reduced back down again on the 19th February.

I am feeling tired despite having a good 8 hours - my lids

feel heavy. I went on holiday with 2 friends the same age as me at the end of

February and I felt like a geriatric compared to them. My joints ache,

particularly in the feet and when I stand up I feel light headed

and struggle to get going for a bit. Everything feels like an effort to

do.

Help!!

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Hi, I was on duty moderating and tried to delete the length of the previous message to which you were replying- but deleted the lot! I'm sorry, but could you resend? thyroid treatment From: jbellis@...Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 09:28:38 +0000Subject: RE: Confused

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Hi ,

Can you tell me how I get into the files, as I seem to be having problems

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From: jenny stenning <jennystenning@...>Subject: RE: Confused"sheila turner" <thyroid treatment >Date: Friday, 9 April, 2010, 11:08

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Hi ,

Can you tell me how I get into the files, as I seem to be having problems

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From: jenny stenning <jennystenning@...>Subject: RE: Confused"sheila turner" <thyroid treatment >Date: Friday, 9 April, 2010, 11:08

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If

you are getting messages via Individual Emails, scroll to the bottom of any

message and you will see in small writing under 'Recent Activity' something

like

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New Links 5

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New Files 7

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If

you get a Daily Digest, At the bottom of any of the messages you will have the

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to group | Reply

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on 'Reply via web post' and that will take you to this forum web site and then

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through the Rogues Gallery showing quite a few of our members - you can even

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Hi ,I have completed the adrenal questionnaire and my results are 2.07, being moderate. I am not suffering from a severe form of adrenal fatigue.Jeanette

From: Sheila <sheilatpauk (DOT) com>Subject: RE: [thyroidpatientadvo cacy] Confusedthyroidpatientadvoc acygroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, 6 April, 2010, 7:37

Again, you showed no blood tests for these latest test results, but it is obvious your T3 is too high which suggests you are taking too much. When did you last increase your dose of T3 and why was it increased. Were you suffering any of the symptoms of hyperthyroidism?

Being restless, nervous, emotional, irritable, sleeping poorly, and 'always on the go'.

Tremor of the hands.

Losing weight despite an increased appetite.

Palpitations.

Sweating, a dislike of heat and an increased thirst.

Diarrhoea or needing to go to the toilet to pass faeces more often than normal.

Shortness of breath.

Skin problems such as hair thinning and itch.

Menstrual changes - often the periods become very light or infrequent.

Tiredness and muscle weakness may be a feature.

A swelling of the thyroid gland in the neck (goitre) may occur.

Eye problems

The reason for the other blood tests we recommend is because those who are suffeirng with the symptoms of hypothyroidism often don't feel any effect after taking thyroid hormone replacement, and often, this is because the thyroid hormone is unable to get into their cells if any of those results show low in the reference range. Such people need to take supplements of whatever they are low in before thyroid hormone replacement will work properly. The blood tests you have had done ONLY test the level of thyroid hormone that is in your blood and they do not test to see whether the thyroid hormone is getting into your cells. If it floats around in your blood, going nowhere, you will get symptoms of toxicity. However, how are you feeling now. What symptoms do you have now that you have lowered your dose of T3?

Luv - Sheila

My last blood test results were on the 8th March

Serum free triiodothyronine Level = 14.2 pmol (2.8 - 7.1)

Serum free T4 level = 6.8 pmol (12.0 - 22.0)

Serum TSH level <0.01 mu/L

Results suggest T3 thyrotoxicosis. Suggest endocrine referral

My average temperature 35.9 - 36.2

Pulse ranges from 89 on waking and 90 - 103 P.M.

I have not had any of the other blood tests that you mentioned. What is the significance of these?

Regards

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