Re: Dale email when I joined

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Hi Del,

I can't give you much information about your situation, but I can tell

you that liver stones are formed in the liver as well as the

gallbladder. I have had my gallbladder out for 7 years now and still

have problems with stones. I have done appproximately 10-12 liver

flushes since last july and have gotten out lots of stones. I have

also passed stones before the flushes on there own. Bile is produced in

the liver so it stands to reason that stones can be formed there. They

can beformed by any foreign body in which the biles salts start to form

around. (ex. parasites, dead tissue cells, cholesterol)

The cleanseing is done the same for the liver as the gallbladder. The

flush is identical as well. Good herbs to try are milk thistle and

changs herbs. They will help the liver /gallbadder along with the

healing process.

I really have not studied the kidney but it is not really connected to

liver/gallstones, that I am aware.

G Murray

Del Eaton wrote:

>I have some questions about some of the info in the email from Dale

> that I got when I joined this list.

>

>I got the book he recomended, The Liver Cleanse Diet. And started to

>the best of my ability eating more EFA. I can't seem to eat any good

>raw fiber foods or raw nuts. Anyway I am some confused about the

>flushes and the stones.

>

>True or false: Stones only form in the GB and if they are in the

>liver or kidney, they got there by way of the GB???

>

>Can stones ever get in the liver?? This book is talking about

>cleaning up the liver by diet and exercise only. Does that mean if

>stones are in the liver, the diet will disolve them? I don't see

>mention of doing a flush for the liver in the book.

>

>Can stones form in the kidney without ever being in the GB ???

>

>This book seems to be geared towards overweight people. I am not at

>all overweight. Is that a good sign that there is nothing wrong with

>my liver. I have no fever, chills, jaundise. Only pain that has

>subsided as long as I don't eat.

>

>Before this happened I was eating well and had been for at least 3-4

>years. A eat a lot like the book describes. Good fats, EFA. Never

>cooking food over the temp stated in the book, no trans fats. Raw

>fruits and veggies every day. Rotating good pasture raised chicken

>with grass-fed other meats. Not eating much meats. No butter or

>margarine, no dairy because I think I am casein intolerant. I was

>able to eat some hard raw colby cheese, that I had pretty regular. I

>was making kefir and that seemed to be okay. I am celiac. Have been

>true to it for 2 years. The only thing I can think that triggered

>this is I did start eating more gluten-free grains right before this

>happened. I did't eat refined sugar. I loved chocolate and had a

>piece of my own homemade chocolate everyday. No cooking involved and

>a balance of flax oil and coconut oil is used. I am confused as to

>why coconut oil is not recommented in the book. I think it is a very

>good oil. Much better than some of the other oils in the book! Could

>that be my downfall? I have been eating coconut oil for the pass 3-4

>years but with a balance of n-3's.

>

>I guess anyone reading this would have to go back and read my other

>post to get the whole story, sorry.

>

>Thanks for any input,

>Del

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Del;

First off I see that you already have one very difficult condition with which to

deal. CD is very similar to and likely a cause of IBS, which is suffered by many

with liver and gallstone problems.

I would also like to note that there is a very broad difference between the

stones that develop in the liver area of which includes the liver, gallbladder

and pancreas. The urinal area is the kidneys, bladder and the associated tubing

to those organs. So, the stone that develops in one is not related to the other

excepting in what can occur with certain hard stone development like calcified

stones. That would be the only similarity of these two areas, but would occur

independent of each other.

However,,,, the body is synergetic and can have one thing as a preemptive cause

of another. By taking heart disease as an example we can note that too much LDL

cholesterol and undigested proteins in the blood can cause the heart to have

clogged veins around it and this then leads to a damaged muscle mass and that in

turn makes for a heart attack. The real cause started with too much cholesterol

of which is routed as a cause from the liver not being given the right tools

from which to make the right balance of LDL and HDL cholesterols. This is some

what gleamed from Dr. Cabot's book when read, and can be best noted by being

underlined. We work dealing with this by eating foods of which are rich in

nutritional value. They are fibrous having soluble and insoluble fiber, are

enzymatic, and have vitamins, minerals, proteins or carbohydrates or both. It is

a balancing act!

Now the bowels come to play too in all this in that IF there is a removal

process of LDL cholesterol taking place by the liver with the help of the HDL

cholesterol it sent out, and there isn't a functioning waste system, the

overflow of cholesterol in the stool mass will once again be reabsorbed to the

body from the large intestines, negating all the good done by the good guy

cholesterol. This is the key reason why consistently frequent bowel movements

are necessary and a principle reason as to why the eating of oats of which has

soluble and insoluble fiber of which makes for more consistent bowel fill and

movement is advertised as " may reduce the risk of heart disease " . It " MAY " is

right! But, this is if you understand the reason behind why it does what it does

in the first place.

Here are some sites to check for information and of which I haven't posted for

quite some time so it would be good for many here to lend their attention to

them once again. The Healthy Healing site has changed quite a bit and added the

self-test information that I believe all members will enjoy.

Bile recirculation

http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/liver/bile.html

Digestive system

http://library.thinkquest.org/2935/Natures_Best/Nat_Best_Low_Level/Digestive_pag\

e.L.html?tqskip1=1

Dietary fiber

http://www.bethisraelny.org/healthinfo/dietaryfiber/index.html

Self-testing of conditions

http://www.healthyhealing.com/selftest.html

Just as an extra note; Dr. Cabot's book certainly is for those of us enduring

weight related problems but then too her illustrations in the book are not all

of fat people. This is because many of the problems existing for those with

excess weight are also present in those who are not overweight,,,,,,,,,, yet.

Her book, in the back pages simply doesn't note all the oils of which are

considered as good for the liver. She does have the etcetera noted there lending

weight to any natural oil being good for us.

I'm actually surprised to see canola oil being mentioned as one of the good oils

since it shouldn't be used for cooking and since it is a genetically engineered

type of oil that in the homeopathic community would be lacking in a natural

energy. Personally, I avoid it.

http://www.pihealth.com/canola_oil.htm

Some of the things we have to keep in mind, as we do grow old, are that our

bodies may be predisposed to certain disease because of how they were treated in

our youth, and because of conditions of which are genetic in nature. It is quite

a battle for those who are in these compromising positions, myself included, to

get various modalities of healing health remedies to work properly. In some

cases people survive extra years just from drugs alone or help from others but

regardless of what we do today we all have the same destiny in time. We may

starve off the inevitable, for a time, and I guess that is the challenge of

which we all enjoy in some way. I know I enjoy being in a position of having

been there and done that, and that I have survived these extra years of

maintaining my original organs and that am able to encourage others to do the

same by my example.

Dale

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I got the book he recomended, The Liver Cleanse Diet. And started to the best

of my ability eating more EFA. I can't seem to eat any good raw fiber foods or

raw nuts. Anyway I am some confused about the flushes and the stones.

True or false: Stones only form in the GB and if they are in the liver or

kidney, they got there by way of the GB???

Can stones ever get in the liver?? This book is talking about cleaning up the

liver by diet and exercise only. Does that mean if stones are in the liver, the

diet will disolve them? I don't see mention of doing a flush for the liver in

the book.

Can stones form in the kidney without ever being in the GB ???

This book seems to be geared towards overweight people. I am not at all

overweight. Is that a good sign that there is nothing wrong with my liver. I

have no fever, chills, jaundise. Only pain that has subsided as long as I don't

eat.

Before this happened I was eating well and had been for at least 3-4 years. A

eat a lot like the book describes. Good fats, EFA. Never cooking food over the

temp stated in the book, no trans fats. Raw fruits and veggies every day.

Rotating good pasture raised chicken with grass-fed other meats. Not eating much

meats. No butter or margarine, no dairy because I think I am casein intolerant.

I was able to eat some hard raw colby cheese, that I had pretty regular. I was

making kefir and that seemed to be okay. I am celiac. Have been true to it for

2 years. The only thing I can think that triggered this is I did start eating

more gluten-free grains right before this happened. I did't eat refined sugar.

I loved chocolate and had a piece of my own homemade chocolate everyday. No

cooking involved and a balance of flax oil and coconut oil is used. I am

confused as to why coconut oil is not recommented in the book. I think it is a

very good oil. Much better than some of the other oils in the book! Could that

be my downfall? I have been eating coconut oil for the pass 3-4 years but with

a balance of n-3's.

I guess anyone reading this would have to go back and read my other post to get

the whole story, sorry.

Thanks for any input,

Del

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

----- Original Message -----

From: Del Eaton

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:19 PM

Subject: Dale email when I joined

I have some questions about some of the info in the email from Dale

that I got when I joined this list.

I got the book he recomended, The Liver Cleanse Diet. And started to

the best of my ability eating more EFA. I can't seem to eat any good

raw fiber foods or raw nuts. Anyway I am some confused about the

flushes and the stones.

True or false: Stones only form in the GB and if they are in the

liver or kidney, they got there by way of the GB???

Can stones ever get in the liver?? This book is talking about

cleaning up the liver by diet and exercise only. Does that mean if

stones are in the liver, the diet will disolve them? I don't see

mention of doing a flush for the liver in the book.

Can stones form in the kidney without ever being in the GB ???

This book seems to be geared towards overweight people. I am not at

all overweight. Is that a good sign that there is nothing wrong with

my liver. I have no fever, chills, jaundise. Only pain that has

subsided as long as I don't eat.

Before this happened I was eating well and had been for at least 3-4

years. A eat a lot like the book describes. Good fats, EFA. Never

cooking food over the temp stated in the book, no trans fats. Raw

fruits and veggies every day. Rotating good pasture raised chicken

with grass-fed other meats. Not eating much meats. No butter or

margarine, no dairy because I think I am casein intolerant. I was

able to eat some hard raw colby cheese, that I had pretty regular. I

was making kefir and that seemed to be okay. I am celiac. Have been

true to it for 2 years. The only thing I can think that triggered

this is I did start eating more gluten-free grains right before this

happened. I did't eat refined sugar. I loved chocolate and had a

piece of my own homemade chocolate everyday. No cooking involved and

a balance of flax oil and coconut oil is used. I am confused as to

why coconut oil is not recommented in the book. I think it is a very

good oil. Much better than some of the other oils in the book! Could

that be my downfall? I have been eating coconut oil for the pass 3-4

years but with a balance of n-3's.

I guess anyone reading this would have to go back and read my other

post to get the whole story, sorry.

Thanks for any input,

Del

Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories:

http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4

http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80

http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100

http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112

Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/

Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73

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