Re: I'm new here-please help

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Del Eaton " <deleaton@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:51 AM

Subject: I'm new here-please help

>

> I think I have just discovered what my problem is! Pancretitis! And

> the cause is gallstones, not drinking because I don't drink but have

> been eating a high fat diet of good fats for a few years. I

> discovered this myself by searching the internet. I am no stranger

> to reading about gallbladder, liver and kidney cleanses. Also no

> stranger to Dr Hulla . But have always been " chicken " to do any

> of the cleanses. Also in my lifetime I have read that sometimes they

> can be dangerous. Since the 7th of Jan I have been on the SCDiet

> because it felt like my gut just shut down on me. Anything I ate

> caused me severe pain! On the diet I tried to eat the beginner foods

> but just got worse. For the past 4 days at least, I can only eat 2x

> some cooked fruit in the morning. In the early afternoon I eat a

> banana. About 4pm I eat some wild salmon. I can eat all of that

> without much pain but at 6pm I will eat some cooked squash and by

> 8pm the pain comes. Usually by the time I go to bed it is better and

> I sleep off and on. Pain is worse when I lie down most of the time.

> My gut and stomach area are painful when I try to rest my hands on

> it. When all this started, after the first of the year, I was having

> excruiating pain after eating anything and slowly stopped eating

> until I found the scdiet and tried eating more of those foods but

> now down to eating the little bit that I have mentioned. I just need

> to talk about doing these cleanses.

>

> Thanks,

> Del

>

I agree with the other post that you should not attempt a flush until

the immediate crisis is past. Have you been to the doctor/hospital for this

immediate experience yet? If so, what do they say? If it is pancreatitis

as you suspect this is a potentially dangerous situation. You need to see a

capable professional soon.

The pain you describe when putting your hand on the area is most likely

inflammation which can be caused by several things. Have you been tested

for infection? Ulcer? Sweating? Cold? Hot? What are your bowel

movements like? How frequent?

Getting a high quality broad spectrum (amylase, lipase, protease)

digestive enzyme supplement can only help. Take at least one cap whenever

you put ANY food what-so-ever in your mouth.

Always, in all ways, -Dave

>

>

>

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I have seen my internist but she has refused to do any more that

what she has already done (electrolytes, blood work, pap smear and a

stool test), Cholesterol/triglycerides. I thought Internist's were

good for more that! All came back normal. She has referred me to the

GI doc who cannot see me until the 17th of Feb. I have not been to

the hosp. 2 reasons: I have always been able to endure more pain

that the ave person due to miagraines starting when I was about 4

years old and lasting on a weekly basis until I was around 50 and

the other reason is I don't like hospitals! Been working at my

health for a long time to stay out of hospitals and away from

doctors! A person can get sick in there! My BM's remain fair, 1 at

least every 3-4 days. Before this happened it was 1 every 1-2 days.

They are floaters, brown and easy to pass. Yesterday I had a whitesh

piece with the brown. Never saw that before but I am surprised that

I am having a BM at all! Drinking lots of spring water, at least 7-8

glasses. I weight about 98 lbs and I am female(in case you didn't

catch the pap smear). I am losing weight. Have lost about about 6

lbs. My normal weight is between 104-110.

Before all this happened and in the past 3 years I have been put on

different food enzymes (like the ones you have mentioned) and they

did not help. I have some dairy free L. Acidophilus that I ordered

that I want to take, but right now I am afraid to take them until

after I see the allergist tomorrow. I appreciate your wisdom about

all this. I got the book The Liver Cleanse Diet and have at least

started eating some raw salmon that seems to be agreeing with me. I

don't like eating the same thing over and over and know it is not

good, but I don't know what else to do. So, here I am trying to pick

ever one's brain.

Best,

Del

Dave wrote:

> I agree with the other post that you should not attempt a

flush until

> the immediate crisis is past. Have you been to the

doctor/hospital for this

> immediate experience yet? If so, what do they say? If it is

pancreatitis

> as you suspect this is a potentially dangerous situation. You

need to see a

> capable professional soon.

>

> The pain you describe when putting your hand on the area is

most likely

> inflammation which can be caused by several things. Have you been

tested

> for infection? Ulcer? Sweating? Cold? Hot? What are your

bowel

> movements like? How frequent?

> Getting a high quality broad spectrum (amylase, lipase,

protease)

> digestive enzyme supplement can only help. Take at least one cap

whenever

> you put ANY food what-so-ever in your mouth.

> Always, in all ways, -Dave

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Del Eaton " <deleaton@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:33 AM

Subject: Re: I'm new here-please help

>

> I have seen my internist but she has refused to do any more that

> what she has already done (electrolytes, blood work, pap smear and a

> stool test), Cholesterol/triglycerides. I thought Internist's were

> good for more that! All came back normal. She has referred me to the

> GI doc who cannot see me until the 17th of Feb. I have not been to

> the hosp. 2 reasons: I have always been able to endure more pain

> that the ave person due to miagraines starting when I was about 4

> years old and lasting on a weekly basis until I was around 50 and

> the other reason is I don't like hospitals! Been working at my

> health for a long time to stay out of hospitals and away from

> doctors! A person can get sick in there! My BM's remain fair, 1 at

> least every 3-4 days.

One every 3-4 days is totally unacceptable. The human bowel is

designed for a 12-24 hour transit time. Anymore than that and the

undigested food is being broken down by microorganisms and their metabolic

waste products are being absorbed by your digestive tract. While some of

these chemicals are essential for health, many are not. Perfect would be to

eliminate an appropriate amount of waste matter 30-45 minutes after every

meal; the waste being from food consumed 12-24 hours earlier. Baby's do

this: Stick a breast or a bottle in their mouths and they blow their

drawers out an hour later. It is generally accepted that one bowel movement

every 24 hours is acceptable. If your stool is dry and hard, magnesium will

atract fluid to the stool and encourage flow without stimulating peristaltic

action. If there is sluggish peristalsis herbs like rhubarb root,

triphala, or senna will help. Better to take an herbal laxative everyday

for the rest of your life than to not have a bowel movement everyday for the

rest of your life. I would bet that your migraines are directly related to

your improper digestion too.

Before this happened it was 1 every 1-2 days.

> They are floaters, brown and easy to pass. Yesterday I had a whitesh

> piece with the brown. Never saw that before but I am surprised that

> I am having a BM at all! Drinking lots of spring water, at least 7-8

> glasses. I weight about 98 lbs and I am female(in case you didn't

> catch the pap smear). I am losing weight. Have lost about about 6

> lbs. My normal weight is between 104-110.

I would bet that your stool is hard and dry, you tend to be cold, fair

(an dry) skinned, and can't get the voices to stop talking. If so, your

tendency will be for these things to exacerbate unless balanced is going to

increase, as you are headed into the catabolic stage of life. Magnesium.

Raw foods are energetically to cold and hard to digest for you. You must be

careful about detoxing. Lots of oils (quality). Warming tonic digestive

aids. Even though you state below that the digestive enzymes didn't help,

you probably need to switch and consume them any time you ingest food.

>

> Before all this happened and in the past 3 years I have been put on

> different food enzymes (like the ones you have mentioned) and they

> did not help. I have some dairy free L. Acidophilus that I ordered

> that I want to take, but right now I am afraid to take them until

> after I see the allergist tomorrow. I appreciate your wisdom about

> all this. I got the book The Liver Cleanse Diet and have at least

> started eating some raw salmon that seems to be agreeing with me. I

> don't like eating the same thing over and over and know it is not

> good, but I don't know what else to do. So, here I am trying to pick

> ever one's brain.

>

> Best,

> Del

>

>

> Dave wrote:

> > I agree with the other post that you should not attempt a

> flush until

> > the immediate crisis is past. Have you been to the

> doctor/hospital for this

> > immediate experience yet? If so, what do they say? If it is

> pancreatitis

> > as you suspect this is a potentially dangerous situation. You

> need to see a

> > capable professional soon.

> >

> > The pain you describe when putting your hand on the area is

> most likely

> > inflammation which can be caused by several things. Have you been

> tested

> > for infection? Ulcer? Sweating? Cold? Hot? What are your

> bowel

> > movements like? How frequent?

> > Getting a high quality broad spectrum (amylase, lipase,

> protease)

> > digestive enzyme supplement can only help. Take at least one cap

> whenever

> > you put ANY food what-so-ever in your mouth.

> > Always, in all ways, -Dave

>

>

>

>

>

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Dave wrote:

> I would bet that your stool is hard and dry, you tend to be

cold, fair

> (an dry) skinned, and can't get the voices to stop talking.

Del wrote:

Partly right, my stool is not dry and hard, I am cold a lot, not as

bad as I use to be, I am medium complexed and my skin is no longer

dry since I use coconut oil all over my body every day an consume go

fats. Don't have a clue what you are talking about when talk about

the voices!

Dave wrote:

If so, your

> tendency will be for these things to exacerbate unless balanced is

going to

> increase, as you are headed into the catabolic stage of life.

Magnesium.

> Raw foods are energetically to cold and hard to digest for you.

You must be

> careful about detoxing. Lots of oils (quality). Warming tonic

digestive

> aids. Even though you state below that the digestive enzymes

didn't help,

> you probably need to switch and consume them any time you ingest

food.

----No, I have been there done that and they don't work. I have had

it with trying them. Have tried them off and on for at least 5

years.---

~Del~

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Del Eaton " <deleaton@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:45 PM

Subject: Re: I'm new here-please help

>

>

>

> Dave wrote:

> > I would bet that your stool is hard and dry, you tend to be

> cold, fair

> > (an dry) skinned, and can't get the voices to stop talking.

>

> Del wrote:

> Partly right, my stool is not dry and hard, I am cold a lot, not as

> bad as I use to be, I am medium complexed and my skin is no longer

> dry since I use coconut oil all over my body every day an consume go

> fats. Don't have a clue what you are talking about when talk about

> the voices!

The constitution that I described is " Vata " in Ayurveda. It is a cold and

dry constitution. Therefore digestion would tend to be slow and incomplete.

Warming digestives such as ginger and fennel help. Just as we tend towards

a constitution (heredity) individually we go through the three constitutions

during the life cycle. The first part is birth to puberty (Kappa- Cold and

moist- building and cell growth), midlife (Pitta- fire-hot- burning of

energy, metabolism), Geriatrics ( " Vata " cold and dry-loss of mass,

catabolic). So when in the latter part of life the older we get the more

Vata we get (no matter what the personal constitution). If one is of Vata

constitution this will " double up " during this period of life. I should note

that we have all three constitutions ( " Doshas " ) in us to varying degrees, so

it is not as simple as pigeon holing a person into one category (which I did

with you, guessing Vata to be our main one). The " elements " of Vata are

" ether " and " air " , both light air " energetic " substances. The Vata person

tends to be thin, light skinned, sensitive (both physically and mentally).

They are thinking all the time (hard to maintain a focus). This was my

reference to the " voices " : no lunacy intended just that those of us with a

strong dose of Vata can find it hard to rest or sleep sometimes because the

mind is racing. Vata tends towards constipation (cold and dry) nervous

disorders (fibromyalsia, MS, chronic fatigue, etc.). The Celiac's disease

is an inflammatory condition (Pitta-hot) as well. This " heat " can be from

either an excess of heat (going to TCM, Yang), from an insufficiency of Yin,

or " damaged spleen chi (either yin/yang) " .

The digestive upset you describe is serious. Your Celiac's has, I

assume, been going on for a long time (serious). I took a whack at your

tendencies but obviously wasn't on target. Never the less, certain

considerations will apply: While in the very beginning you are headed into

the catabolic stage of life and associated conditions will increase if not

balanced. The symptoms you described and the Celiac's indicate a fairly

damaged digestive process. It is important that you see a professional that

is capable of sorting it out.

>

> Dave wrote:

> If so, your

> > tendency will be for these things to exacerbate unless balanced is

> going to

> > increase, as you are headed into the catabolic stage of life.

> Magnesium.

> > Raw foods are energetically to cold and hard to digest for you.

> You must be

> > careful about detoxing.

You are already on the light side and have been loosing weight. When

we do any type of detoxifying process we loose vital things as well. You

don't have a lot to give up so you must be careful.

Lots of oils (quality).

You are already doing this. The improper digestive function may not be

able to handle them properly though, creating a vicious cycle.

Warming tonic

> digestive

> > aids. Even though you state below that the digestive enzymes

> didn't help,

> > you probably need to switch and consume them any time you ingest

> food.

>

> ----No, I have been there done that and they don't work. I have had

> it with trying them. Have tried them off and on for at least 5

> years.---

My recommendation here is that the digestion is insufficient and they can

only help. Now unfortunately while they are helpful for so many allergic

situations they have not (at this time) been found to be helpful in

Celiac's. They will be helpful to you in so many other ways though. With

all these imbalances we have it is rarely about taking something that

" works " , but that we are not working properly, and finding a way to assist

in the function. Always, in all ways,

>

> ~Del~

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> > Dave wrote:

> > > I would bet that your stool is hard and dry, you tend to

be

> > cold, fair

> > > (an dry) skinned, and can't get the voices to stop talking.

> >

> > Del wrote:

> > Partly right, my stool is not dry and hard, I am cold a lot, not

as

> > bad as I use to be, I am medium complexed and my skin is no

longer

> > dry since I use coconut oil all over my body every day an

consume go

> > fats. Don't have a clue what you are talking about when talk

about

> > the voices!

Del Wrote:

----Must correst what I said: " go fats " . You could have thought I

meant " No fats " Where I meant to say " Good fats " . The rest of your

email is very interesting. I have not really looked into Ayurveda.

But I do have a book on constitutions. I have never been able to

figure out my constitution. The book is in storage right now and it

has been awhile since I read it. Ginger is something I used on a

regular basis before all this happened with my gut. Can't say that I

have used fennel. Now that I know what you mean about the voices,

you are right about that. You have a pretty good guess. Who are you?

Are you a homeopathic? Right now the only thing that seems to be

working for me is the SCdiet. I know of only 4 foods that I can eat

without pain. I have been pain free for 6 days. Today I started

adding some different foods to my diet. Today, I added raw, peeled,

cored and grated apple. Also had an acidodophius capsule. I opened

it and sprinkled it on my banana. So far I have had a very good pain

free day.----

Dave wrote:

>

> The constitution that I described is " Vata " in Ayurveda. It is a

cold and

> dry constitution. Therefore digestion would tend to be slow and

incomplete.

> Warming digestives such as ginger and fennel help. Just as we

tend towards

> a constitution (heredity) individually we go through the three

constitutions

> during the life cycle. The first part is birth to puberty (Kappa-

Cold and

> moist- building and cell growth), midlife (Pitta- fire-hot-

burning of

> energy, metabolism), Geriatrics ( " Vata " cold and dry-loss of mass,

> catabolic). So when in the latter part of life the older we get

the more

> Vata we get (no matter what the personal constitution). If one is

of Vata

> constitution this will " double up " during this period of life. I

should note

> that we have all three constitutions ( " Doshas " ) in us to varying

degrees, so

> it is not as simple as pigeon holing a person into one category

(which I did

> with you, guessing Vata to be our main one). The " elements " of

Vata are

> " ether " and " air " , both light air " energetic " substances. The

Vata person

> tends to be thin, light skinned, sensitive (both physically and

mentally).

> They are thinking all the time (hard to maintain a focus). This

was my

> reference to the " voices " : no lunacy intended just that those of

us with a

> strong dose of Vata can find it hard to rest or sleep sometimes

because the

> mind is racing. Vata tends towards constipation (cold and dry)

nervous

> disorders (fibromyalsia, MS, chronic fatigue, etc.). The Celiac's

disease

> is an inflammatory condition (Pitta-hot) as well. This " heat " can

be from

> either an excess of heat (going to TCM, Yang), from an

insufficiency of Yin,

> or " damaged spleen chi (either yin/yang) " .

> The digestive upset you describe is serious. Your Celiac's

has, I

> assume, been going on for a long time (serious). I took a whack

at your

> tendencies but obviously wasn't on target. Never the less,

certain

> considerations will apply: While in the very beginning you are

headed into

> the catabolic stage of life and associated conditions will

increase if not

> balanced. The symptoms you described and the Celiac's indicate a

fairly

> damaged digestive process. It is important that you see a

professional that

> is capable of sorting it out.

> >

> > Dave wrote:

> > If so, your

> > > tendency will be for these things to exacerbate unless

balanced is

> > going to

> > > increase, as you are headed into the catabolic stage of life.

> > Magnesium.

> > > Raw foods are energetically to cold and hard to digest for you.

> > You must be

> > > careful about detoxing.

>

> You are already on the light side and have been loosing

weight. When

> we do any type of detoxifying process we loose vital things as

well. You

> don't have a lot to give up so you must be careful.

>

> Lots of oils (quality).

>

> You are already doing this. The improper digestive function

may not be

> able to handle them properly though, creating a vicious cycle.

>

> Warming tonic

> > digestive

> > > aids. Even though you state below that the digestive enzymes

> > didn't help,

> > > you probably need to switch and consume them any time you

ingest

> > food.

> >

> > ----No, I have been there done that and they don't work. I have

had

> > it with trying them. Have tried them off and on for at least 5

> > years.---

>

> My recommendation here is that the digestion is insufficient and

they can

> only help. Now unfortunately while they are helpful for so many

allergic

> situations they have not (at this time) been found to be helpful

in

> Celiac's. They will be helpful to you in so many other ways

though. With

> all these imbalances we have it is rarely about taking something

that

> " works " , but that we are not working properly, and finding a way

to assist

> in the function. Always, in all ways,

> >

> > ~Del~

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories:

> > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4

> > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80

> > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100

> > http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112

> >

> > Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/

> >

> > Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73

> >

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In a message dated 1/27/2005 9:46:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

deleaton@... writes:

> I am beginning to think that my problem stems

> from my being celiac. Celiacs can develope sensitivities to foods

> and I think that might be what has happened.

>

Del:

On the other hand, people with serious liver disease become wheat intolerant

and develop celiac disease so I would guess the celiac is the chicken with the

true cause coming first.

(Atlanta)

[Guest guest]

Who are you?

> Are you a homeopathic?

I do many things, work on many issues, in many ways. Also proud to say

that I am a good friend of Dale . I use homeopathics but am not a

homeopath. I am not a naturopath. I teach professional herbalism and

applied kinesiology, but those are only a portion of my experience.

Right now the only thing that seems to be

> working for me is the SCdiet. I know of only 4 foods that I can eat

> without pain. I have been pain free for 6 days. Today I started

> adding some different foods to my diet. Today, I added raw, peeled,

> cored and grated apple. Also had an acidodophius capsule. I opened

> it and sprinkled it on my banana. So far I have had a very good pain

> free day.----

>

The book you have read (Breaking the Viscous Cycle) and the diet you

are on are excellent. The diet should help to calm things down... but

probably will not take care of the problem. Again I consider what you have

described to be a serious imbalance that has been going on for a very long

time (the immediate crisis is a symptom and a warning, not the " problem " ).

This is the realm of a qualified professional and should not be approached

through self diagnoses and treatment (not that it necessarily needs to be

" treated " ). Let me explain some of my considerations about this: If it is

pancreatitis and is from a stone blocking the duct the stone must be removed

immediately. If flushing does it hallelujah! If not, it needs to be

removed in some other way. If it is from infection, the infection needs to

be handled. The Chinese model for pancreas is " Spleen " (these are energetic

flows not visceral organs), and spleen is the governor of digestion. As I

have said it seems to me that your digestive Chi is probably " injured " and

has been for quite some time. Strengthening it is imperative. If I was you

I would try to find some old, blind, crippled Chinese man (may act like he

doesn't speak English) who escorts you into the kitchen behind his store,

sits you at the table and grabs your wrist (pulse diagnoses-very accurate).

That was a bit verbose, but I think you get what I mean.

While schools of traditional medicine such as Ayurveda, TCM, and Unani

may seem to be " unscientific " there are other less easy to accept options

that may be very promising. If you exhaust all your known options and

nothing gets it taken care of let me know and I can steer you towards other

possibilities. Always, in all ways, -Dave

[Guest guest]

For 8 months last year I was going to a chiropractor that treated me

almost weekly with acupunture. He also got his training through some

chinese school, and he tested me often with kinesiology. He was

helping me I thought. Then one day I went in and he said, Is your

back hurting? I said " no " . He preceded to put blocks under my hip

etc while I was doing acupunture. After I got home my back started

hurting! It didn't let up all week and in fact, got worse. The next

time I saw him I told him about it but he did not seem to think it

was something he did. I still believe it was something he did.

Anyway he taught me to do kinesiology which I practice all the time.

I agree with you that this is a symptom of something that has been

long coming. There is only so much money to work on this, so I am

afraid I won't be able to find some old chinese guy. I am in the

heart of " no naturopathic land " or any other such " health care

providers " . I am kinda on my own. My GI appointment has been moved

up to the 9th and I am hoping to find out for sure that my liver and

kidney are okay after a few tests, of course. If that is the case, I

hope to start doing flushes after I have gotten my strength back

from all this. I don't know what else to say. I do appreciate all

that you have said. I am beginning to think that my problem stems

from my being celiac. Celiacs can develope sensitivities to foods

and I think that might be what has happened.

Del

" Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@m...> wrote:

>

> Who are you?

> > Are you a homeopathic?

>

> I do many things, work on many issues, in many ways. Also

proud to say

> that I am a good friend of Dale . I use homeopathics but

am not a

> homeopath. I am not a naturopath. I teach professional herbalism

and

> applied kinesiology, but those are only a portion of my experience.

>

> Right now the only thing that seems to be

> > working for me is the SCdiet. I know of only 4 foods that I can

eat

> > without pain. I have been pain free for 6 days. Today I started

> > adding some different foods to my diet. Today, I added raw,

peeled,

> > cored and grated apple. Also had an acidodophius capsule. I

opened

> > it and sprinkled it on my banana. So far I have had a very good

pain

> > free day.----

> >

> The book you have read (Breaking the Viscous Cycle) and the

diet you

> are on are excellent. The diet should help to calm things down...

but

> probably will not take care of the problem. Again I consider what

you have

> described to be a serious imbalance that has been going on for a

very long

> time (the immediate crisis is a symptom and a warning, not

the " problem " ).

> This is the realm of a qualified professional and should not be

approached

> through self diagnoses and treatment (not that it necessarily

needs to be

> " treated " ). Let me explain some of my considerations about this:

If it is

> pancreatitis and is from a stone blocking the duct the stone must

be removed

> immediately. If flushing does it hallelujah! If not, it needs to

be

> removed in some other way. If it is from infection, the infection

needs to

> be handled. The Chinese model for pancreas is " Spleen " (these are

energetic

> flows not visceral organs), and spleen is the governor of

digestion. As I

> have said it seems to me that your digestive Chi is

probably " injured " and

> has been for quite some time. Strengthening it is imperative. If

I was you

> I would try to find some old, blind, crippled Chinese man (may act

like he

> doesn't speak English) who escorts you into the kitchen behind his

store,

> sits you at the table and grabs your wrist (pulse diagnoses-very

accurate).

> That was a bit verbose, but I think you get what I mean.

> While schools of traditional medicine such as Ayurveda, TCM,

and Unani

> may seem to be " unscientific " there are other less easy to accept

options

> that may be very promising. If you exhaust all your known options

and

> nothing gets it taken care of let me know and I can steer you

towards other

> possibilities. Always, in all ways, -Dave

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Del Eaton " <deleaton@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:41 PM

Subject: Re: I'm new here-please help

>

> For 8 months last year I was going to a chiropractor that treated me

> almost weekly with acupunture. He also got his training through some

> chinese school, and he tested me often with kinesiology. He was

> helping me I thought. Then one day I went in and he said, Is your

> back hurting? I said " no " . He preceded to put blocks under my hip

> etc while I was doing acupunture. After I got home my back started

> hurting! It didn't let up all week and in fact, got worse. The next

> time I saw him I told him about it but he did not seem to think it

> was something he did. I still believe it was something he did.

> Anyway he taught me to do kinesiology which I practice all the time.

> I agree with you that this is a symptom of something that has been

> long coming. There is only so much money to work on this, so I am

> afraid I won't be able to find some old chinese guy. I am in the

> heart of " no naturopathic land " or any other such " health care

> providers " . I am kinda on my own. My GI appointment has been moved

> up to the 9th and I am hoping to find out for sure that my liver and

> kidney are okay after a few tests, of course. If that is the case, I

> hope to start doing flushes after I have gotten my strength back

> from all this. I don't know what else to say. I do appreciate all

> that you have said. I am beginning to think that my problem stems

> from my being celiac. Celiacs can develope sensitivities to foods

> and I think that might be what has happened.

>

> Del

>

>Del,

I also agree with you (and that gut feeling that won't go away), that

it was the acupuncture and wedges together that caused the pain. He was

just trying to cover his butt. You mentioned he was a Chiropractor, did he

adjust you too? To put your mind at ease, as a general rule chiropractic

(even just putting blocks under is chiropractic. Using body weight to

adjust the skeleton. If your back can " go out " from sleeping wrong...?) is

very safe and it is highly unlikely that any permanent damage was caused.

In fact many times it is necessary to stretch or even " control tear "

tissues that have healed or grown in the response to an injury somewhere

else in the body (Balance). So most likely even though you experienced

momentary (as if a week or even a year!) discomfort, there probably isn't

much residual.

How far do you live from Springfield?

Since you live in an area that has limited resources, here are a couple

of herbs that could help: Saussurea (mu xiang)(costus) and codonopsis (dang

shen) ( " poor man's ginseng " ). Start out with a small amount of each and

work your way up if you tolerate them ok. You can by them in bulk cheap and

make a strong decoction. They are roots so you simmer them in water for a

lonnngg time. Sweeten (nutrasweet is suicide) and flavor with-what-ever you

like.

The Celiac's is a outward (and potentially deadly) manifestation of an

underlying problem; and one that can cause a lot of other conditions. Not

something you want to progress. I won't be back to the computer until

Monday. With love and respect, -Dave

[Guest guest]

I guess I am a little dense tonight because I am not understanding

your last sentence.

Del

> In a message dated 1/27/2005 9:46:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> deleaton@d... writes:

>

>

> > I am beginning to think that my problem stems

> > from my being celiac. Celiacs can develope sensitivities to

foods

> > and I think that might be what has happened.

> >

>

> Del:

>

> On the other hand, people with serious liver disease become wheat

intolerant

> and develop celiac disease so I would guess the celiac is the

chicken with the

> true cause coming first.

>

> (Atlanta)

>

>

>