Re: I'm new here, may have a Gall Bladder problem

[Guest guest]

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If I where you I would go get a hida scan, ultra

sound, ct scan, blood test. Gallbladder is not

something to mess with. It is painful and if put off

can cause many other things.

N

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[Guest guest]

Re. 's recommendations for more scans and testing for newcomer

: There are many individuals who's status of either crisis or serious lack

of diagnosis would suggest going in for a full battery of tests. For people with

these medical histories, it's a great idea and I've offered that opinion to

many.

However, I tend to disagree with your recommendations to at this time.

Here's why:

1) She's not in crisis or imminent danger now (nor does her history indicate

that she ever been)

2) She's apparently motivated enough to do something positive right now

3) One ct body scan = several hundred chest x-rays in radiation dosage.

Something like 70% of all breast cancer is thought to be from radiation.

4) Once they get you in the hospital they try to scare the crap out of you. Just

going to a hospital can plant huge seeds of NEGATIVITY, SELF-DOUBT and

the ultimate DEPOWERMENT of the patient (right into the hands of the

scalpel-wielders). It's incredibly tough to get those imprints out of your

brain.

5) She could spend this same money used for testing on things like cleansing,

detox, herbs, massage, and a host of other wonderful, positive things.

6) Every single one of the tests you mention is FAR more vague and prone to

subjectivity and misinterpretation than lay people think, so....

7) If the tests under-report her status she may be lulled into non-action

8) If the tests over-report the situation she may be freaked out and paralyzed

9) Plus, how could ANY result from these tests change the work at hand that

she needs to do? She's gonna need to do the same things anyway

regardless of the results.

10) The stuff we do here doesn't strike me as " messing around " . Nor is it

" putting things off " to eschew testing in lieu of an action cleansing,

flushing,detoxification life correction plan.

To me, there's a perfect place where you are frightened enough from your

symptoms to actually change your ways, but not so freaked out to become a

pawn of the medical industry. From what I hear, is in this exact spot.

Will in Minneapolis

[Guest guest]

Dear Will,

My Grandmother just passed away from Gallbladder

cancer 3 months ago. My mom's friend mother just

passed away 3 months ago too from gallbladder cancer

and she was doing the cleanseing stuff, but because

she was doing that it caused her to wait 3 years to

get her gallbladder out and when they took it out they

found that she had cancer growing in it, but because

she waited there was nothing they could do for her.

I'm glad that you like the herb stuff and cleanseing,

but sometimes it is a good idea to just get it out.

Hospitals are not scary, as long as you take

precautions and ask lots of questions.

I think that she () should at least go get a ultra sound. And X-RAYS and

radiation dosge does not cause breast cancer.

Norton

[Guest guest]

, the obvious question in my head now is " why are you visiting a

'cleansing-NO surgery' GB support group? " . I have to tell you that, while we

are ALL different, you have landed yourself in a place containing more than

one rabid fanatic for alternatives, like myself. I came her to share and learn,

not argue with anyone, I avoid arguments whenever possible, but I do stand

firm in my previous convictions for this newcomer as I had stated last week.

Additionally, I'm not against the cholecystectomy surgery carte blanche, but I

think that the vast majority of the 600,000 done ANNUALLY In the US is a

gross medical mistake and many people could live longer, healthier and far

more cancer-free if they did some serious

cleansing-detox-lifestyle-and-dietary changes. This is true with or without a

gallbladder.

Even though I didn't know her, I too regret the loss of your grandmother,

especially if her death could have been easily avoided. However, I'm

convinced that the type of of gall bladder cleansing (with all it's dietary and

lifestyle ramifications) that we advocate and advance here is the very best

thing that I can do to avoid ever getting GB (or any other) cancer. I'm also

getting rid of my stones and GB pain in the process.

Personally, I can't take too much stock in your interpretation of the loss of

your " mother's friend's mother " as we are completely unable to truly tell how

much or what type of what you called " cleanseing stuff " that she actually did,

nor do we know how long she would have lived had she NOT done

" cleanseing stuff " . We cannot assertain for certain whether she would have

gotten cancer had her GB been removed 3, 10 or even 20 years ago. You

see, this is not a valid experiment to base one's own life on as there is no

control group, plus the medical information we've gotten has passed through

the hands of many lay people prior to you, guaranteed to have the effect on

data as the game " Gossip " does in mangling a sentence beyond recognition.

Family survivors also have been know to add their own medical beliefs to the

story and thus twist what the doctor really said to match their own needs or

beliefs. This COULD have occurred in this story, we truly don't know.

Holding these two cases in your head as examples of people who literally

died because they didn't have cholecystectomy, or, assuming they would be

alive today if had they had had the surgery is dangerous territory. To then

transpose this conclusion onto every person with GB symptoms is even more

dangerous in my opinion and not scientific at all. It would be as bad as the

opposite extreme, that of someone saying that because two relatives or

friends of friends died post-op after having their gallbladders removed, that

this surgery should never ever be done. Equally dangerous and illogical but

I'm sure someone somewhere has said it or thought it.

What makes much more sense logically and even scientifically is to follow

advice like I read here which includes testimony from 7000+ cleansers and

flushers who are alive and healthy.

In conclusion, I agree with your statement that it is crucial to one's survival

and health to keep one's wits sharp when in the hospital and to ask lots of

questions, however both times I was in there I was not fully conscious and I

was terribly drugged with pain narcotics. I had no ability to protect myself

from

random human error (which happened), medically-ignorant

gastroenterologists (2 for 2) or knife-happy surgeons (which almost

happened). How about we compromise and call hospitals " necessary evils " ?

Finally, if you don't think radiation (including X-rays) is a huge cause of

cancer, especially reproductive and breast cancer, and that it's cumulative,

and you really miss those floroscopic X-ray machines in the footware stores,

well.... let's just say perhaps you heard it here first. Just wear that lead

apron

they give you for GOOD LUCK and pay absolutely no attention at all to the

lead walls and leaded glass that the techs stand behind when they shoot

radiographs. You can thank me later.

Will in Minneapolis