Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 In a message dated 10/21/2004 3:44:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jensanmateo@... writes: > trying to tell me not to eat as much fat Has anyone thought about the putrefaction of the fat connection? Oil doesnt seem to cause the same issues as trans fat and hydrogenated fats that have been chemically adulterated? Clean animal products seem to cause me fewer issues than garden variety meats; same with cheese -- Kraft Cheese causes me many more problems that a Parmesean from Italy in a block. IMHO it's the CHEMICALS bonded with the fat, not just fat that causes the most havoc. This is assuming of course we are not talking about an 8 double Whopper meal. <G>. As we routinely eat things like commerical fries that include plasticizers our livers and GB's are being asked to identify and process things they have never in recorded time been asked to do before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 > My doctor said that I wouldn't get these gall > bladder > pains after eating a meal with a lot of fat in it if > I > had the surgery done. Perhaps my body(and my gall > bladder) was trying to tell me not to eat as much > fat? Who is blowing smoke up WHOSE backside?? Sorry. Had to ask! Neysa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 >>>My doctor said that I wouldn't get these gallbladder pains after eating a meal with a lot of fat in it if I had the surgery done.<<< That has to be one of the biggest lies surrounding GB removal. For confirmation pop over to the list for people who have had the surgery and read their stories. Incidentally if someone could give me the link to that e-group again I would be grateful. Someone has asked me for it but I can't find it. Thanks! Blessings Mama. Home Educating Mother to 7 little blessings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 >>>My doctor said that I wouldn't get these gallbladder pains after eating a meal with a lot of fat in it if I had the surgery done.<<< Not true! My cousin had her GB taken out and she still suffers the same pain and problems when she eats certain foods. I have numerous friends who have had theirs taken out as well and they all suffer from bouts of diarrhea. I opted to keep my GB and have been flushing and taking " Stone Free " and eating foods that are healthy. I'm still on my journey of learning what works for me but I think it is well worth it to keep the GB. Best of Luck, Dee ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Actually, I know about a half dozen people who have had their gallbladders out. One of them has a lot of health issues , but then has had them since childhood. One of these folks had their gallbladder out about 45-50 years ago in her twenties, and is still kicking. I think she has dealt with the diarrhea problem throughout the years but have not heard of any other problems with her. None of these people is experiencing any pain to my knowledge. To make an absolute statement such as " you will have awful problems if you get your gallbladder out " or " all your problems will go away if you get your gallbladder out " is just not logical. Every person is unique and God has a different plan for everyone's life. Though I ended up having my gallbladder removed, I would NOT recommend it to anyone, even though I am functioning better than I did before the surgery. It's a much better choice to try and heal it than get rid of it. But I get a little weary of doctors who terrorize their patients by telling them that they are going to die IF they do not get their gallbladders out, and well meaning laypeople terrorizing others by telling them they are going to die IF they get their gallbladders out. These statements will be true for some but not others. We definitely need to present the possible side effects of gallbladder removal and encourage people to follow the natural alternatives. But we lose our credibility if we make dogmatic statements that are not borne out by the facts. AMDG, Colleen K. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dee a Files gallstones Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: Re: need for gall bladder >>>My doctor said that I wouldn't get these gallbladder pains after eating a meal with a lot of fat in it if I had the surgery done.<<< Not true! My cousin had her GB taken out and she still suffers the same pain and problems when she eats certain foods. I have numerous friends who have had theirs taken out as well and they all suffer from bouts of diarrhea. I opted to keep my GB and have been flushing and taking " Stone Free " and eating foods that are healthy. I'm still on my journey of learning what works for me but I think it is well worth it to keep the GB. Best of Luck, Dee ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories: http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4 http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80 http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100 http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112 Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/ Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73 Images: http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/ http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/ To unsubscribe, send blank e-mail to: gallstones-unsubscribe and then reply to confirmation message! To Post message: gallstones Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe Web Sites for more information: http://CureZone.org http://www.liverdoctor.com/ http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/ Group page: gallstones To change your subscription to digest send blank e-mail to: gallstones-digest To change your subscription to NO-MAIL send blank e-mail to: gallstones-nomail To change your subscription to NORMAL send blank e-mail to: gallstones-normal You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the Gallstones group on 's groups. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! Have a nice day ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I've heard that dumping(the food you eat isn't completely processed when it leaves your system) or diarrhea are problems for those who've had their gallbladder removed. It's not a typical symptom of the gallbladder or gallstones before it's removed from what I've read. Maybe your cousin has heartburn issues or IBS. Their symptoms can be similar. For me, gallstones were always a very painful feeling in the middle of my chest. So painful it stops me from doing anythine else. I think you're right that it's all about eating the right foods. That's really the secret to it. I'm one to avoid surgery, so for now I'll do what I can to keep the symptoms away. Could someone point me to one of the many lab reports that identified gallstones (when a person " flushed " )? I have only found a single lab report of " liver stones " , and I can't seem to find a single gallstone lab report. This should be easy to find, but I must admit I'm new to this discussion group. --- Dee a Files <ladybug35@...> wrote: > > >>>My doctor said that I wouldn't get these > gallbladder pains after > eating a meal with a lot of fat in it if I had the > surgery done.<<< > > Not true! > My cousin had her GB taken out and she still > suffers the same pain and > problems > when she eats certain foods. I have numerous friends > who have had theirs > taken out > as well and they all suffer from bouts of diarrhea. > I opted to keep my GB and have been flushing and > taking " Stone Free " > and eating foods that are healthy. I'm still on my > journey of learning > what works > for me but I think it is well worth it to keep the > GB. > > Best of Luck, > Dee > > ________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf > to sign up today! > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 In the amazing movie " SUPERSIZE ME " --which should be Required Viewing for those on this site--- there is an excellent vision of " how to wreck your liver " . I think 's point is well taken about differientiating between trans fats (so-called " bad " fats) and excess vegetable (Omega 6) fats as opposed to the healthy fats, such as natural butter, cream, lard, and other natural fats that the body is designed to eat. It is the former that is most likely a major culprit for all the diabetes, syndrome X, cardiovascular disease, obesity and, yes, even GB disease plaguing Americans. Peoples of the earth, such as the Innuit, who consume massive quantities of the good fats, don't have the levels of chronic disease health problems seen in modern " fast food " culture. The man who created the movie concept " What would happen to my body if I ate Mc's meals 3X/day for one month? " almost wrecked his liver within 2-3 weeks and wreaked much more havoc upon his body as time went by. If you analyze what he eats, as well as what the monitoring nutritionist says, the major impact upon his liver was the EXCESSIVE and MASSIVE consumption of SIMPLE CARBOHYDRATES, not saturated fat intake (although that was high as well). This type of carbohydrate intake is a liver wrecker, and the true source of elevated blood lipids. In addition, you can imagine the massive quantities of MSG and other artificial chemicals consumed and their subsequent impact on the organ that must try to process and eliminate them. Will in Minneapolis PS Thanks to Tony for clarifying that point about making dogmatic statements either way about GB surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Neysa, Could you explain your logic? I'm new to the forum, and I may have missed your prior comments on this subject. Do you think that eating meals with a lot of fat does not cause gallbladder pain? Thanks! I didnt write that , it is the way the program quotes it that made it look like it. Neysa --- Neysa Dormish <neysa@...> wrote: > > My doctor said that I wouldn't get these gall > > bladder > > pains after eating a meal with a lot of fat in it > if > > I > > had the surgery done. Perhaps my body(and my gall > > bladder) was trying to tell me not to eat as much > > fat? > > Who is blowing smoke up WHOSE backside?? Sorry. Had > to ask! > Neysa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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