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In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:30:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

holistic@... writes:

> I know that I know I will be motivated for life to do the things I need to

> do to never have to go back into a hospital as a patient again. In addition,

> if there is anything I can do to save one other person from going in, I will

> do it. Eventually, I hope that I will rise above the anger and resentment

> that I still feel. I know it is something I need to do to get totally healed.

Dear Will:

Congratulations on your one year anniversary and your trip to the State Fair.

I went to Washington Georgia yesterday for lunch in a 1790's grande dame of a

house complete with 18 massive columns. We ate chicken salad, mixed greens

with nuts, heirloom tomatoes and brownies (I passed on the latter).

I mention this since you enjoyed the Fair with a variety of foods and I have

not eaten either mayo or sour cream (in the chicken salad) without incident

since Jan 04 when I had my initial GB problems. I slept like a baby last night.

My point is that you were given an opportunity for a gift of service with

your GB/pancreatitis issues. You have learned valuable lessons which unlearned

would have killed you earlier than you needed to die. And more importantly, you

have shared what you have learned with tens of thousands of people. That is a

major and important contribution and a good method of spiritual service.

You have used this forum and your knowledge of chemistry AND alternative

medicine to debunk much of the medical establishment's hocus pocus and you have

crafted a reasonable workable dissolving plan which you can use for decades or

until you figure out where gallstones come from (NO ONE in science has gotten

that one sorted out yet).

You have generously taken your time to write well crafted clear letters (or

small essays) on the components of a healthy life. Those gems lie in the

archives for posterity and I bet Suzanne or whomever is responsible, could put

together a file with your main emails collected together so newcomers can get

easy

access to this information. No one can predict how many people unknown to you,

across the globe, you have empowered and saved from a surgeon's knife.

You have offered hope to those of us who felt hopeless; you have offered

courage to those of us who were scared; you have offered self-empowerment when

our

lives felt out of control; you have offered grounding to all of us when the

overwhelm broke our tether to reasonableness. And you offered these gifts with

strong information, tough love and great humor (laughter always being the best

medicine).

Your horrifying 11 days last year gave you a chance to be of service to a

much larger group than those you serve in Minneapolis. It gave you a chance to

serve a large suffering population and you stepped up to the plate and I have

watched you serve ably for the last 6 months.

I am pretty savvy about many of these things (and more savvy thanks to this

group). I avoided the allopathic medical establishment for 11 months in 2003

while I worked through an illness that brought me to my knees, so I entered this

GB/Liv arena armed with more information than most people who have not had

that experience.

That being said, you have taught me something with every one of your posts --

starting with " make the suckers show you and GIVE you the lab tests-- " duh " .

When you have those pieces of info YOU can then monitor your progress and the

trends in your health.

Your diet suggestions for liver/GB disease run counter to ALL the medical

establishments -- allopathic and alternative. I know the Weston Price foundation

and have tremendous respect for them and I believe that their ideas are

intelligent and their diet works for a percentage of the population. While a

half of

stick of raw butter a day is not something I am willing to experiment with

right now, I sure am in pursuit of better meat sources for my family and I have

several other families standing by to see what I come up with. Your emails

have sent me on that search.

In today's email you are took on the subject of relationships and their

impact on our health and how we need to heal our relationships to heal our

bodies.

Now, that is no small subject is it? How many of us found ourselves in

hospitals from RELATIONSHIP stress? I bet statistically that may be the #1 cause

of

GB disease, if anyone had the intelligence to design a study to isolate it.

Take a bow for how well you have fulfilled the vow I suspect you made in that

hospital a year ago.. " if I get out of this thing alive, I am going to clean

up my act and God, I promise I will share what I know to keep everyone I can

out of this situation I find myself in. "

Have a liver and buttered French bread sandwich, a glass of red wine where

you toast IN GRATITUDE the gifts you have recd as a result of the ENTIRE

GB/pancreatitis experience (doctors and all).

When you are finished with your celebration (try toasting your wife who slept

there WITHOUT painkillers, protecting you for that week, she deserves a

couple of dozen roses as a thank you), then get back to your Google search

engine

or under the tree in your yard where you are reading your books and thinking

about this whole subject.

I await your next essay.

In gratitude, (Atlanta)

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I would caution to not scare people though. Not all hospitals will one need

a bodyguard to be a patient. Many people need the services of a doctor and

hospital and it is best not to scare them. :)

----- Original Message -----

From: <mackarmstr@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 11:51 AM

Subject: Re: Scary times NOT !!!

> In a message dated 8/28/2004 2:30:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> holistic@... writes:

>

>

> > I know that I know I will be motivated for life to do the things I need

to

> > do to never have to go back into a hospital as a patient again. In

addition,

> > if there is anything I can do to save one other person from going in, I

will

> > do it. Eventually, I hope that I will rise above the anger and

resentment

> > that I still feel. I know it is something I need to do to get totally

healed.

>

> Dear Will:

>

> Congratulations on your one year anniversary and your trip to the State

Fair.

> I went to Washington Georgia yesterday for lunch in a 1790's grande dame

of a

> house complete with 18 massive columns. We ate chicken salad, mixed greens

> with nuts, heirloom tomatoes and brownies (I passed on the latter).

>

> I mention this since you enjoyed the Fair with a variety of foods and I

have

> not eaten either mayo or sour cream (in the chicken salad) without

incident

> since Jan 04 when I had my initial GB problems. I slept like a baby last

night.

>

> My point is that you were given an opportunity for a gift of service with

> your GB/pancreatitis issues. You have learned valuable lessons which

unlearned

> would have killed you earlier than you needed to die. And more

importantly, you

> have shared what you have learned with tens of thousands of people. That

is a

> major and important contribution and a good method of spiritual service.

>

> You have used this forum and your knowledge of chemistry AND alternative

> medicine to debunk much of the medical establishment's hocus pocus and you

have

> crafted a reasonable workable dissolving plan which you can use for

decades or

> until you figure out where gallstones come from (NO ONE in science has

gotten

> that one sorted out yet).

>

> You have generously taken your time to write well crafted clear letters

(or

> small essays) on the components of a healthy life. Those gems lie in the

> archives for posterity and I bet Suzanne or whomever is responsible, could

put

> together a file with your main emails collected together so newcomers can

get easy

> access to this information. No one can predict how many people unknown to

you,

> across the globe, you have empowered and saved from a surgeon's knife.

>

> You have offered hope to those of us who felt hopeless; you have offered

> courage to those of us who were scared; you have offered self-empowerment

when our

> lives felt out of control; you have offered grounding to all of us when

the

> overwhelm broke our tether to reasonableness. And you offered these gifts

with

> strong information, tough love and great humor (laughter always being the

best

> medicine).

>

> Your horrifying 11 days last year gave you a chance to be of service to a

> much larger group than those you serve in Minneapolis. It gave you a

chance to

> serve a large suffering population and you stepped up to the plate and I

have

> watched you serve ably for the last 6 months.

>

> I am pretty savvy about many of these things (and more savvy thanks to

this

> group). I avoided the allopathic medical establishment for 11 months in

2003

> while I worked through an illness that brought me to my knees, so I

entered this

> GB/Liv arena armed with more information than most people who have not had

> that experience.

>

> That being said, you have taught me something with every one of your

posts --

> starting with " make the suckers show you and GIVE you the lab

tests-- " duh " .

> When you have those pieces of info YOU can then monitor your progress and

the

> trends in your health.

>

> Your diet suggestions for liver/GB disease run counter to ALL the medical

> establishments -- allopathic and alternative. I know the Weston Price

foundation

> and have tremendous respect for them and I believe that their ideas are

> intelligent and their diet works for a percentage of the population. While

a half of

> stick of raw butter a day is not something I am willing to experiment with

> right now, I sure am in pursuit of better meat sources for my family and I

have

> several other families standing by to see what I come up with. Your emails

> have sent me on that search.

>

> In today's email you are took on the subject of relationships and their

> impact on our health and how we need to heal our relationships to heal our

bodies.

> Now, that is no small subject is it? How many of us found ourselves in

> hospitals from RELATIONSHIP stress? I bet statistically that may be the #1

cause of

> GB disease, if anyone had the intelligence to design a study to isolate

it.

>

> Take a bow for how well you have fulfilled the vow I suspect you made in

that

> hospital a year ago.. " if I get out of this thing alive, I am going to

clean

> up my act and God, I promise I will share what I know to keep everyone I

can

> out of this situation I find myself in. "

>

> Have a liver and buttered French bread sandwich, a glass of red wine where

> you toast IN GRATITUDE the gifts you have recd as a result of the ENTIRE

> GB/pancreatitis experience (doctors and all).

>

> When you are finished with your celebration (try toasting your wife who

slept

> there WITHOUT painkillers, protecting you for that week, she deserves a

> couple of dozen roses as a thank you), then get back to your Google search

engine

> or under the tree in your yard where you are reading your books and

thinking

> about this whole subject.

>

> I await your next essay.

>

> In gratitude, (Atlanta)

>

>

>

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, your response was so much better than mine, so much gentler

and understanding. I think your relationship inventory is doing you

a ton of good, and maybe I need to REALLY be thinking about it more

and posting less!

Lucinda

>

> > I would caution to not scare people though. Not all

> > hospitals will one need

> > a bodyguard to be a patient. Many people need the

> > services of a doctor and

> > hospital and it is best not to scare them. :)

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