Re: warning!!!

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Great Point Pepi !!

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In a message dated 00-03-03 09:01:01 EST, you write:

<< FWIW, " if " you had Lyme would you call yourself " LymeLovr " NOT!!!!

maybe " LymeHatr " !!!! Definite nutcase! Pepi

>>

Dear Pepi & All,

Thought of the same thing earlier...

Smacks of McSweegan ignorance!

For those new to the list, I implore you to read the following article &

share it with your friends, neighbors & cyberbuds - if this doesn't get them

writing letters about the blatant arrogance & ignorance of NIH / AMA, etc.,

nothing will! (I rotate between this and a few other " gems " of wisdom at the

end of my emails. This is how I " advertise. " LOL!

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On or about Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:15 AM [GMT+1=CET],

Maarit <mervi111@...> sprinkled letters onto the page, saying:

> LIPSTICK WARNING!!

> Here is the test you can do yourself:

>

> 1. Put some lipstick on yourhand,

> 2. Use a 24k-14k Gold ring to scratch on the lipstick.

> 3.If the lipstick colour changes to black then you know the lipstick

> contains lead.

This should happen to any lipstick or even just skin on people whose gold

ring contains copper or other impurities, or hasn't been cleaned properly

for some time!! Lipstick is great for cleaning jewellery!!

OK... I've just been upstairs and tested ALL my wifes lipsticks with various

bits of 24 carat gold and every one of them went black... apart from the

black one that I used to wear!!

It's a hoax....

Kezzi. . .

[Guest guest]

Dear :

I imagine you are quite scared and I certainly would be and have been. I know

you researched diligently about your options before you took even the first

step.

From the sounds of your medical history (cystitis as well as gut issues) you

have been dealing with feeling punky for quite sometime. I am sorry you are in

that shape, especially in a foreign country, its always harder than at home

in familiar surroundings.

Making the surgery/no surgery decision is a difficult and lonely decision.

Pain and fear make it easier to trust others than trust your own wisdom. It

sounds like now, you are out of pain so you are thinking clearly and you will

know

what is right for you.

Dale makes some good points. Having your GB out is only the first step. You

have strained your liver and you might want to think about the steps you need

to take to rebuild it -- diet(adding good oils, avacado, etc), exercise,

herbals (Milk Thistle is excellent), etc. Also rebuilding your immune system

after

surgery.

Between now and the time you go into the hospital try some lecithen, some EFA

(Omega 3's, 6's, GLA - evening primose oil is a decent source) and maybe

throw in some taurine to get your organs and body in the BEST possible shape

before you are operated on.

I found a gentle vegetable based brothy diet (soups and broths) worked best

for me after a serious incident. Everyone is different. I also have omitted

wheat while I have been healing my liver. People with serious liver issues (Aids

patients and the like) often become wheat intolerant and it takes a big load

off the liver quickly to omit those items. Turkey have wonderful rice dishes

and a vegetable tradition so you will be able to sustain yourself nicely with

local vegetables and rice as your grain.

Its worth a try to rebalance yourself as quickly as possible.

Best wishes, (Atlanta)

[Guest guest]

Yes it would be nuice not to have surgery but sometimes its a last reasort.

I had the same problem. After awhile it just became worth it to have it

removed.

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dr Smawfield " <smawfield@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 5:23 AM

Subject: warning!!!

>

> Don't be put off by the length of this, but felt better sharing it with a

> group of people who are interested/obssessed with their GB's! Sometimes

> decisions are made for you!!!!

>

> Like many of you, I could not believe that I had gallstones!!!I was a

> healthy, 56 yrs old, vegan/vegetarian (occ eat fish!)reading all the

> nutrition bks,superb diet, exercise regular etc etc. But, after an 'awful'

> GB attack, 3 months ago, which my uk Dr thought could be ulcers or

> gallstones, I started on the research and our obvious diagnoses was

> gallstones.

> As I had to go to Ankara (Turkey acc.huband for work) I could not wait for

> scan, so left it thinking that if I had another 'attack' while there, I'd

> get a scan. Then I had cystitis and as the medical facilities here are so

> brilliant I had a scan to check kidneys ok; and yes, there were a few

small

> stones (4mm) in my gallbladder. The Dr here advised having them out, but

> after doing so much research I was adamant I would be ok and get them gone

> with 'flushes'.and that I would contact my Dr back in Uk when returning

beg

> Dec. to get 2nd opinion etc.I definitely was NOT going to give up my

> gallbladder!!

> So I did what I thought was a successful 'flush'. All very exciting, lots

of

> bright green pea size and bigger + smaller, presumably gallstones + chaff

> came out. Then I waited a month, felt fine, no probs; to do next 'flush'

the

> week before returning for Xmas hols. (Then, I could have another scan at

> home to see there were all gone!)

> So I started last Sun 28th Nov. drinking all that copious apple juice and

> chamomile teas!!!(To do that for 6 days to soften stones) But by Mon p.m.

I

> was feeling a bit 'Off'' and by Tues.a.m. those 'awful' GB attack pains

were

> well set in. Lasted all day, but decided to go ahead early (not complete

all

> the juice days.I think the 'attack' was actually bought on by the apple

> juice.) and do the 'flush' that p.m. as there didn't seem anything to

loose.

> That went ok. Weds a.m. produced some green sludge which I interpreted to

> have been maybe the ammount of a dissolved stone + v. little bright green

> 'bits'. So thought that meant my stones were definitely now all gone. I

felt

> ok, usual 'not quite 100% ' after an attack etc. carried on life as usual.

> Thurs felt a bit nauseous and vomited, nothing too drastic!Noticed my

urine

> was getting rather dark. But on Friday I felt wierd, then began the

vomittng

> in the awful manner I had on my first attack before I knew I had any

> stones.(Bubbly, frothy, mucous, then green bile lots of it, pains in

> stomache, gross!) By 2 p.m had to call to get my husband to take me to

Drs.

> Took blood test, waited 2 hrs. and yes all my levels of 'whatever' were

> dangerously high! Surgeon came to examine as there was a poss of emergency

> surgery as a stone/s could be lodged in infected bile duct or worse still

> infected pancreas duct (which controls insulin) and the bag which holds

the

> organs (can't remember name, begins with p) was infected too + I was also

> jaundiced!!!GREAT!!!!

> I confessed to the 'flushes' but they didn't seem 'phased', Turkey has a

lot

> of Traditional medicines and herbs used alongside conventional.

> Next step hospital (more like 6*hotel!), had 12 hrs for my immune system

to

> fight off the infections, before opening me up, a 50/50 chance emergency

op

> needed, drip sol to flush body out.I must say I can't believe how calm I

> felt. But then I never did believe I had could possibly have anything much

> wrong with me.

> Major disappointment was when I had the scan to check organs, there were

> gallstones!!! A few (in medical terms means more than 3) and larger than

saw

> in first scan!!!

> However, as my immune system is so good and speed of treatment, I luckily

> did not have stones lodged, by 12 hrs later my blood levels were showing

> improvement.

> To not bore you anymore with the saga, after 2 nights + days I was allowed

> home. I had terrible pains and backache for 2 days which seem to pass

> downwards, and finally as I write now they have practically gone. But the

> outcome is if I cont. to be ok I'm having the GALLBLADDER and its contents

> (I've asked if I can see it to check if the stones resemble anything I

> flushed out!)REMOVED on Monday p.m. The risk factor of having another

> life-threatening attack like this is too great for me to live with.

> So now we go home 2 weeks later, if all goes well. Wish me luck, I'm sorry

> to see 'IT' go, but I did my best to keep

> it.................................................. S (Yellowish!!!)

>

>

>

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;

This is truly a sad report. I'm so sorry to hear of your need to have surgery

but appreciate your effort in seeking to keep your gallbladder. I only have one

question regarding some of the things you had been doing such as your using

apple juice. Where you also taking a lot of Essential Fatty Acids while working

on your liver and gallbladder's condition? Lecitin as well as taurine will go a

long way towards feeding the liver and helping it to produce a much better

emulsive bile of which helps in the softening and removal process too.

My story is one of a person who's doctor told him that he needed to have the

gallbladder removed ASAP within the next two weeks after diagnostics of my

having......... " A " stone of undetermined size in a thickened and diseased

gallbladder. It took me months of dieting to get to where I showed a zero

content in my gallbladder and a healed gallbladder too.

This wasn't accomplished in an intelleginet manner either because in my

avoidance of all fats, including the good essential fattty acids, caused some

liver damage and because of that I had the worst attack of my life when in fact

I didn't have any stones show in the ultrasound, plus, my liver and gallbladder

both now looked normal except for the blood test showing really bad AST, ALK,

and ALT levels. But, I'm pretty sure that has changed in the last five years,

because, I have not had an attack in that time period and I give a lot of

creadance to Dr. Cabot and her book " The Liver Cleansing Diet " as a major

contribution to my liver and gallbladder's welfare being as it is today.

Living with a potentually disfunctional body isn't a pleasant thing wtih which

ot deal. I'm so sorry that you will be needing the operation but in some

people's cases it is a necessity. The fact of the matter is simply we are all at

one stage or anohter in this thing we know as life and all of us have to deal

with the cards we have been delt.

Dale