Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 I have an especially soft spot in my heart for people who question what everyone else accepts as the truth. It doesn't mean I always agree with them, but God knows we NEED those people and their questions. When I had my gallstone attack (not ER type of attack, but painful and worrisome) I did a cleanse and a flush. I didn't see the stone come out, but I did FEEL it and it felt like a hot searing iron was being shoved through a small opening (took several seconds) and then that area was really sore for a couple of weeks and then it got itchy. So, based on what I felt, I was positive I had passed the stone that was stuck in my gall-bladder. I mentioned the incident to a friend who is an RN (registered nurse) and when I told her about the flush I did, she said that hospitals are now doing something like that for some people who come in with gall bladder attacks. I didn't go into it any further or ask for any more information because I felt what I was doing was working for me. This next part may seem off-topic at first, but I promise it will come back to this subject: I was an evangelical Christian for 25 years and for the last 15 of those years I really struggled with trying to find out which point of view the THE RIGHT one. Was it Calvinism (Once saved always saved) or Armenianism (You can lose your salvation)........ Speaking in tongues--from God or from Satan?.....there were many many more such issues. I just wanted the truth. Eventually what I found was that each of us is on our own spiritual journey and it isn't so much about which fact is the absolute truth.....it IS about the journey and about making the connection with God (however you define that) and about being led to where you are supposed to go. I find the same dern discrepancies in my health journey. Who really knows the truth about anything---one week eggs and chocolate are good for you, the next they aren't and back and forth. Scientific evidence changes on the perspective of the person conducting the tests and different people will do the same test with the same controls and get different results. I'm sorta thinking there is no absolute truth.....no one thing that works absolutely perfectly, everytime, for every one. If a person is convinced that these flushes aren't working or won't work for them, then I think they are correct. Maybe it just won't work because its the wrong thing for that person, maybe it is the wrong thing for everyone....maybe the ideas and belief that it won't causes it not to work, just as strong belief that something will work, affects the outcome or perhaps it just isn't working at this time because there is still something you need to learn from having the condition. Bottom line is that everyone has to follow their own path in their own time and in their own way and do what works for them, what they believe will take them where they need to go and by all means make sure you are following where God is leading because the physical journey cannot be separated from the spiritual journey. So, yes, we need people who question our path, so we are reminded to check-in now and then and make sure we are still actually on the correct path and haven't been led blindly astray. Bless you, Nina *********** ******************** >From: boris baker <boris_bkr@...> >Reply-gallstones >gallstones >Subject: Re: myFlush >Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:28:05 +0100 (BST) > >hi, > >i have red hundreds of pages of curezone and read thousand of views of >different people and now think that ---- > >1. nobody totally get rid of their gall stones expect few, (but not >totally) you can count them on fingers, some of them are naturopaths, who >never denied, not in any case that flush does not work in expelling gall >bladder stones, repeat gall bladder stones, not the liver stones. > > >2. it is my personal experience and the view i have ever read in curezone >pages that the stones we are expelling are liver stones they are real liver >stones but never the gall stones (in rare cases gall stones) > >3. we can cure further making of gall stones from flush. > >4. symptoms may disappear from liver flush, for some time due to >expelling of stones from liver, but come again due to gall bladder stones. > > >5. One can say this only a liver flush. not gall bladder flush. > >6. every (mostly) people after liver flush including me, do ultrasound >and found that the amount of stones in gb are still same. > >7. it is possible that one can remove their gall stones by surgery and >then do liver flush for healthy liver and healthy bile. > >8. One cannot get rid of gall bladder stones. > >Some people become dissappointed by this mail but one has to accept the >truth. as liver flush is worth while for a healthy liver healthy bile for >not for expelling gall bladder stones. > > >With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > >boris baker <boris_bkr@...> wrote: >hi, > >we do not enter into any debate. >the person who is using safflower oil is also expelling green stones. >as safflower oil is clear i.e. without any colour. >on the other hand it is true that in most of the cases of surgery the >stones come out by the surgery are hard like rock, grey in colour and not >mostly green in colour. and in flushes we always expell green stones. it >cannot be true and we all in the world are mostly same stones (this is the >matter which is to be suspect about the liver flush) if flush work than >the gall bladder expell its all stones which is hard like rock. >it seems to me after reading thousands of pages of cure zone and with my >experience as i done 6 flushes. it seems that THE STONES OF GREEN STONES >WE EXPELL IN OUR FLUSH IS REAL STONES BUT STONES FROM LIVER, AND THE >STONES IN GALL BLADDER CANNOT BE EXPELLED THAT IS WHY IN EVERY ULTRASOUND >WE HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF STONES. AND IN SURGERY THE GALL STONES FIND ARE >HARD LIKE ROCK BECAUSE THEY ARE GALL STONES. BUT WE EXPELL IN OUR FLUSH IS >LIVER STONES. >so 1. we expell in flush are liver stones that is green in colour. >2. stones from gall bladder dont expell or rarely expell in flush that is >like hard rock and grey in colour. >we find a little reliefe in symptoms from flush because we are stopping >further making of new stones but the symptoms back because the gall stones >which are already in our gall bladder and did not come out in flush. >so it depends on us now that we have to get rid from all out stones whether >it is gall stones or liver stones, or we have to continue with flush a >regular and on going process. > > >regards > > > > > " Pidal, Velarde " <danny_anas@...> wrote: >cathy, > >I ate apples and oatmeal...will try apple juice next time. > >soft dark-green spheres could be a combination of bile, sludge or >cholesterol but i believe are different from the hard-calcified stones >stuck in the gallbladder. similar to what was mentioned in this link: >http://www.curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=262 & i=522 > >what should i take to relieve mild but constant discomfort in my upper >abdominal area? felt this on the 2nd-4th day after my first LF. > >thanks > > > > What did you eat and drink the day of the cleanse? I've found that > > organic apple juice the day of the cleanse really makes the difference. > > Also, some kind of parasite removal the week of the cleanse. > > > > namaste, > > cathy > > > > > > > > >Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories: >http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4 >http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80 >http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100 >http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112 > >Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/ > >Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73 > >Images: >http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/ >http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/ > >To unsubscribe, send blank e-mail to: >gallstones-unsubscribe and then reply to confirmation >message! > >To Post message: gallstones >Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe > >Web Sites for more information: >http://CureZone.org >http://www.liverdoctor.com/ >http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ >http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm >http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html >http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/ > >Group page: gallstones > >To change your subscription to digest send blank e-mail to: >gallstones-digest >To change your subscription to NO-MAIL send blank e-mail to: >gallstones-nomail >To change your subscription to NORMAL send blank e-mail to: >gallstones-normal >You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the >Gallstones group on 's groups. 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Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 HI, Well said Nina. I'm not a strong flush advocate, at least not more than once every 3 months or so because I got rid of impossible gallbladder attacks, numbing pain in my arms light colored stools and so many other symptoms by changing my diet from vegan to more ancient and I increased my water intake. Some will tell you to double flush every week and the thought of that makes me cringe, really. So yes you must listen to your own body and yes perception is key. --- nina vitus <ninavitus@...> wrote: > I have an especially soft spot in my heart for > people who question what > everyone else accepts as the truth. It doesn't mean > I always agree with > them, but God knows we NEED those people and their > questions. > > When I had my gallstone attack (not ER type of > attack, but painful and > worrisome) I did a cleanse and a flush. I didn't > see the stone come out, > but I did FEEL it and it felt like a hot searing > iron was being shoved > through a small opening (took several seconds) and > then that area was really > sore for a couple of weeks and then it got itchy. > So, based on what I > felt, I was positive I had passed the stone that was > stuck in my > gall-bladder. I mentioned the incident to a friend > who is an RN (registered > nurse) and when I told her about the flush I did, > she said that hospitals > are now doing something like that for some people > who come in with gall > bladder attacks. I didn't go into it any further or > ask for any more > information because I felt what I was doing was > working for me. > > This next part may seem off-topic at first, but I > promise it will come back > to this subject: I was an evangelical Christian for > 25 years and for the > last 15 of those years I really struggled with > trying to find out which > point of view the THE RIGHT one. Was it Calvinism > (Once saved always saved) > or Armenianism (You can lose your salvation)........ > Speaking in > tongues--from God or from Satan?.....there were many > many more such issues. > I just wanted the truth. Eventually what I found > was that each of us is on > our own spiritual journey and it isn't so much about > which fact is the > absolute truth.....it IS about the journey and about > making the connection > with God (however you define that) and about being > led to where you are > supposed to go. I find the same dern discrepancies > in my health journey. > Who really knows the truth about anything---one week > eggs and chocolate are > good for you, the next they aren't and back and > forth. Scientific evidence > changes on the perspective of the person conducting > the tests and different > people will do the same test with the same controls > and get different > results. I'm sorta thinking there is no absolute > truth.....no one thing > that works absolutely perfectly, everytime, for > every one. If a person is > convinced that these flushes aren't working or won't > work for them, then I > think they are correct. Maybe it just won't work > because its the wrong > thing for that person, maybe it is the wrong thing > for everyone....maybe the > ideas and belief that it won't causes it not to > work, just as strong belief > that something will work, affects the outcome or > perhaps it just isn't > working at this time because there is still > something you need to learn from > having the condition. Bottom line is that everyone > has to follow their own > path in their own time and in their own way and do > what works for them, what > they believe will take them where they need to go > and by all means make sure > you are following where God is leading because the > physical journey cannot > be separated from the spiritual journey. > > So, yes, we need people who question our path, so we > are reminded to > check-in now and then and make sure we are still > actually on the correct > path and haven't been led blindly astray. > > Bless you, > > Nina > > > > *********** ******************** > > > > > > > >From: boris baker <boris_bkr@...> > >Reply-gallstones > >gallstones > >Subject: Re: myFlush > >Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:28:05 +0100 (BST) > > > >hi, > > > >i have red hundreds of pages of curezone and read > thousand of views of > >different people and now think that ---- > > > >1. nobody totally get rid of their gall stones > expect few, (but not > >totally) you can count them on fingers, some of > them are naturopaths, who > >never denied, not in any case that flush does not > work in expelling gall > >bladder stones, repeat gall bladder stones, not > the liver stones. > > > > > >2. it is my personal experience and the view i > have ever read in curezone > >pages that the stones we are expelling are liver > stones they are real liver > >stones but never the gall stones (in rare cases > gall stones) > > > >3. we can cure further making of gall stones from > flush. > > > >4. symptoms may disappear from liver flush, for > some time due to > >expelling of stones from liver, but come again due > to gall bladder stones. > > > > > >5. One can say this only a liver flush. not gall > bladder flush. > > > >6. every (mostly) people after liver flush > including me, do ultrasound > >and found that the amount of stones in gb are still > same. > > > >7. it is possible that one can remove their gall > stones by surgery and > >then do liver flush for healthy liver and healthy > bile. > > > >8. One cannot get rid of gall bladder stones. > > > >Some people become dissappointed by this mail but > one has to accept the > >truth. as liver flush is worth while for a healthy > liver healthy bile for > >not for expelling gall bladder stones. > > > > > >With Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >boris baker <boris_bkr@...> wrote: > >hi, > > > >we do not enter into any debate. > >the person who is using safflower oil is also > expelling green stones. > >as safflower oil is clear i.e. without any colour. > >on the other hand it is true that in most of the > cases of surgery the > >stones come out by the surgery are hard like rock, > grey in colour and not > >mostly green in colour. and in flushes we always > expell green stones. it > >cannot be true and we all in the world are mostly > same stones (this is the > >matter which is to be suspect about the liver > flush) if flush work than > >the gall bladder expell its all stones which is > hard like rock. > >it seems to me after reading thousands of pages of > cure zone and with my > >experience as i done 6 flushes. it seems that THE > STONES OF GREEN STONES > >WE EXPELL IN OUR FLUSH IS REAL STONES BUT STONES > FROM === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Ummm, not sure if you made a typo or misquoted me, I double flush every 2 weeks, not every week. Every week is too much and not enough stones come out. Double flush means taking 1 cup of oil total within 2 days, that's the main difference. It just pushes out an additional amount of stones during the one cleanse. Everything else in the Dr. cleanse remains the same. It's recommended in her book for HIV/AIDS patients. Diet has not made a difference for me as far as the insomnia goes. The only reason why I do it is to be able to sleep more than 2 hours a night before waking up. Nothing has changed my sleep pattern other than NOT eating dinner, ugh... However, I feel just fine with the cleanses, even though I'm not getting enough sleep. I'm 52 years young, look like I'm 40 or even 35 as some people have said. It must be the meditation, Willard Water, rebounding, and antioxidents. My period came back last month, too. I have gotten all the stones out before, several years ago, so it IS possible. Once my stones are out, though, I'll go on maintenence, twice a year. This is a temporary thing until I can sleep Got 6 hours of sleep straight through before waking up at 4 a.m. last night, by not eating any dinner except for cereal and a green juice, with 6 Ornithine caps before bed. Namaste, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 hi we all are flushing in a hope that one day we will become stone free, but to become stone free is not so important as we have to make our gb healthy, because a healthy gb can expell more sludge and bile from itself. it is very individual thing that one can flush too frequently and one can flush after a long interval of 2 to 3 months. it depends on the body of every person. but the destination is the same i.e. to become stone free. i have done 6 liver flushs and expelled near about 150 to 200 stones each time. still coming. i think that there should be an injection for the gall stones, that immediately or in some days dissolve the gall stones, as well as for liver stones we are doing flushes. Scientists are not working in this field i think so. Doctors see only one choice to every one i.e. SURGERY and ONLY SURGERY. They do not believe in these flushes, even the flush works but why they (doctors) believe in it (flush) at least they have to earn their bread and butter from surgery. by these flushes and fast we all (almost every body) loose too much weight i have lost 27 pounds and now become very week, every body comments that what is going on. every day near about 20 to 30 people asks to put off weight by me. so weak and under weight and on this juice fasting and whole day fast of liver flush - NO WAY so Horrible to think. i think there must be some injection for that to dissolve the gall bladder stones. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Boris, I've lost 2 lbs. during a liver cleanse, though I've gained about 8 lbs. since last Autumn. Aren't you eating enough in between cleanses? Have you tried adding more carbs and fats to your diet? Maybe you're eating less fats in trying to heal your liver and gallbladder, but you need to keep your strength up. Carbs will put on weight (in my experience). You can find carbs in for example: soy milk, pasta, breads, fruits (bananas), and fruit juices, even in protein powders that are high in carbs, cereals, potatoes, rice, or salad dressings. Though for me, pasta is all I need to put on weight. What is a typical day's food intake (when you're not cleansing)? I just finished another cleanse yesterday and got out tons of green globs and feel good today. I like to stay on the thin side, but even though I'm cleansing every other week, my weight doesn't fluctuate that much. Namaste, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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