RE: New -- help!! (was coconut oil and gallbladder)

[Guest guest]

Lori

Here's one old post for people NOT IN CRISIS (note: this is NOT

applicable for people bent double in pain, gasping for breath,

and on the cusp of trouble--although there's PLENTY to do there

too, just different). Incidentally, I think BREATH CONTROL is

probably the biggest thing I learned to do when in the crisis

mode.... You can TOTALLY STOP an attack this way.

I called this KEEPING THE BOOGIEMAN AWAY IN 2005....

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My GB health goals have been two-fold, 1) GENERATING

FEWER stones, and 2) FLUSHING (or, better yet, DISSOLVING)

EXISTING stones. It's NEVER " over " so the plan must go on

forever. I've got a plan that creates much happiness for me.

Something (or maybe everything) I'm doing now is working and I

haven't felt this good in decades. Serial ultrasounds (the last

was 10-04) show a definite decrease in numbers and sizes of

stones. I've gone from a GB chock full of stones in 2003 to

(perhaps) none at this time. Last ultrasound showed only 2-3

small (1.4 cm was the biggest) stones and I've done a lot since

then, so I think they are all gone.

My TEN COMMANDMENTS for going into 2005:

1) Manage THOUGHTS especially ANGER. This involves mainly

letting go of things and not agitating myself further. Also WORRY,

ANXIETY and NEGATIVITY have to go bye-bye! I think it's the

most important preventative of all. I also use yoga, meditation,

Abraham, and more.

2) Getting rid of excess WEIGHT. Yes, I'm normally a

mesomorph but I'd packed on a gut before getting sick. I've lost

30# of lard since then. I know now that I need to remain normal

weight the rest of my life if I want to be healthy. Period.

3) EXERCISE. I'd allowed my body to get weak, flabby and

sludgy. No wonder I got stones! Now I work out 60-90 minutes

with weights, bicycle machine and swimming 3-5 days a week. It

actually GIVES me " extra time " each day (more energy + clearer

thoughts).

4) EATING ENOUGH CHOLESTEROL/HEALTHY FATS (eggs,

butter, grass-fed meat). (you might have to EASE into this one,

btw). I've followed Dr. Tom Cowan's advice that gallstones arrive

from a diet that is too low in cholesterol and healthy fat intake.

(www.westonapricefoundation.com). I think my 23 years as a

vegetarian contributed to my stone build-up. He sez stones are

the body's attempt to conserve cholesterol. Crazy? Perhaps, but

it works for me. Plus, it's food filled with joy, not deprivation!

5) VITAMIN C. I take it every day now. I'm convinced I had a

chronic bacterial infection in my GB (my GB lining was 8-9 mm

thick back in October). Garlic, spices, liver herbs help this too.

6) ENZYMES- I'm taking about 12 caps and tabs a day, every

day. Best if taken before meals.

7) WATER INTAKE- I think I'd gotten myself dehydrated

chronically so I drink more now.

8) TRACE MINERALS I've heard of too many parasitic diseases

and bacterial infections being predicated and basically caused

by mineral deficiencies. I take about 4-6 a day.

9) NO LATE NIGHT MEALS. I try to eat breakfast around 8 am,

lunch mid-day and dinner no later than 7 pm. I also know that

eating a monster meal in the evening can be an extra burden so

I say NO to excess (no matter how tempting). I also try to get a

walk after dinner and before bed.

10) AVOID CONSTIPATION. This may be the most important

physical thing I'm doing, but I've noted a period of constipatiion

has preceded all my attacks. Now I use diet, fiber, or whatever

(natural method) it takes to keep things moving.

Best wishes to all hear for a good year of zero attacks and happy

eating!

Will in Minneapolis

[Guest guest]

HI Lori

Will thinks him being vegetarian contributed to his

gallstones and so do I.

I was vegan for a year and a half prior to my first

gallstone attack and vegetarian off and on starting

age 9

I'm now 29

For me it was the introduction of healthy animal fats

that helped with the gallstone attacks.

the gallbladder needs to empty out it's contents on a

regular basis and a diet void of any saturated fats

like the vegan diet contributes to gallstones because

the gallbladder doesn't work.

It was slow.

Some people would say avoid saturated fats but that

has not been my experience.

I will elaborate further if you have any questions.

--- Lori <skydanse@...> wrote:

> Hi, Will and others, I'm new here and I just got

> finished attempting to search the archives per

> Will's suggestion and I guess I'm a little clueless

> because I'm coming up with nothing. What's a good

> key word to use (I guess it would have to be in the

> subject line)? Also, it only brings up recent stuff

> which didn't answer my question. Do you have to

> access each month and then do the search from there?

>

> Some guidance as to when you or posted about

> stone dissolving techniques would be greatly

> helpful. Also, would it also be good for kidney

> stones.

>

> By the way, I've just done my first full flush.

> I've been practically living off of greens,

> radishes, lemons, cold pressed olive oil, seaweed,

> flax seed oil, for months now and I'm pretty much in

> a chronic state of pain all the time although the

> attacks aren't as severe as they've been in the

> past. Since my flush I think all I've passed so far

> is a lot of bile, which was in and of itself

> encouraging, but boy is my butt sore!!! :-) Oh and

> I also use coconut oil (refined for cooking and

> virgin for therapeutic reasons) and I love the

> stuff.

>

> Has anyone been able to decrease their food

> sensitivities (or decrease the constant attacks)

> through diet?

>

> I'm really trying to stay out of the hospital -- no

> health insurance anyway -- I've been dealing with

> this since 1985 --no, that is not a typo -- and only

> found out they were gallstones in the past year, and

> the attacks have gotten pretty constant -- always in

> my back though. It was always misdiagnosed as a

> mysterious back problem from every AMA doctor

> imaginable and I've only figured out from reading

> and reading and reading that it could either be

> gallstones or kidney stones -- methinks it's

> gallstones because the pressure of my liver against

> my front right ribcage is pretty noticeable)

>

> Lori from Salt Lake City

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Will Winter

> gallstones

> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:25 AM

> Subject: Re: coconut oil and

> gallbladder

>

>

> I've previously enumerated several summations of

> the STONE

> DISSOLVING TECHNIQUES I've used to good effect, as

> have

> several others. from Atlanta is great on

> this topic. It's all in

> the archives.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I have been a vegetarian for 18 years, but not vegan. I do not like meat so

I cannot imagine ever eating it again. What foods do you recommend for the

fat? I eat avocados, I like eggs but was afraid to eat them after this

gallbladder attack - maybe I should go have one? I haven't found that it is

a trigger food for me, but I've been afraid to put anything in my mouth

other than veggies and fruits. So what fats would you suggest?

Thanks,

Traci

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of denise milfort

Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:11 PM

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Subject: Re: New -- help!! (was coconut oil and gallbladder)

HI Lori

Will thinks him being vegetarian contributed to his

gallstones and so do I.

I was vegan for a year and a half prior to my first

gallstone attack and vegetarian off and on starting

age 9

I'm now 29

For me it was the introduction of healthy animal fats

that helped with the gallstone attacks.

the gallbladder needs to empty out it's contents on a

regular basis and a diet void of any saturated fats

like the vegan diet contributes to gallstones because

the gallbladder doesn't work.

It was slow.

Some people would say avoid saturated fats but that

has not been my experience.

I will elaborate further if you have any questions.

--- Lori <skydanse@...> wrote:

> Hi, Will and others, I'm new here and I just got

> finished attempting to search the archives per

> Will's suggestion and I guess I'm a little clueless

> because I'm coming up with nothing. What's a good

> key word to use (I guess it would have to be in the

> subject line)? Also, it only brings up recent stuff

> which didn't answer my question. Do you have to

> access each month and then do the search from there?

>

> Some guidance as to when you or posted about

> stone dissolving techniques would be greatly

> helpful. Also, would it also be good for kidney

> stones.

>

> By the way, I've just done my first full flush.

> I've been practically living off of greens,

> radishes, lemons, cold pressed olive oil, seaweed,

> flax seed oil, for months now and I'm pretty much in

> a chronic state of pain all the time although the

> attacks aren't as severe as they've been in the

> past. Since my flush I think all I've passed so far

> is a lot of bile, which was in and of itself

> encouraging, but boy is my butt sore!!! :-) Oh and

> I also use coconut oil (refined for cooking and

> virgin for therapeutic reasons) and I love the

> stuff.

>

> Has anyone been able to decrease their food

> sensitivities (or decrease the constant attacks)

> through diet?

>

> I'm really trying to stay out of the hospital -- no

> health insurance anyway -- I've been dealing with

> this since 1985 --no, that is not a typo -- and only

> found out they were gallstones in the past year, and

> the attacks have gotten pretty constant -- always in

> my back though. It was always misdiagnosed as a

> mysterious back problem from every AMA doctor

> imaginable and I've only figured out from reading

> and reading and reading that it could either be

> gallstones or kidney stones -- methinks it's

> gallstones because the pressure of my liver against

> my front right ribcage is pretty noticeable)

>

> Lori from Salt Lake City

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , not only was I vegan, but a raw food vegan for three years. It was

great for short-term solutions but I had my worst attack ever during that time

and it lasted for a month and would have kept on going except I started eating

more warming foods and they gradually dissipated. I guess different bodies have

different needs. I have been eating a lot of raw lately but the lady I spoke to

up in Canada who sells the gold coin grass told me that too much raw food

weakens the spleen and it's all interconnected -- liver, gallbladder, pancrease

and spleen (at least for a start).

I've been eating more animal foods. I think culprit that got me this time was

an addiction to coffee and chocolate (two no-no's if you have gallbladder

problems) even though it was only one cup and one piece of chocolate -- I kept

thinking, it's not like I'm overloading my body with the stuff -- I didn't have

much, I just *had* to have it every day. Funny thing, before I was never

attracted to coffee or chocolate until my raw vegan time. It brought up some

interesting addictive behavior. At any rate, I've only given them both up in

the past few weeks. I'm going to eventually ease back into raw dairy soon and

maybe small portions of meat and just have broth for now as my liver heals up

after the flush.

How about eggs? Have they aggravated gallstones for anyone? I'd kind of like

to get an idea what kind of diet everyone has. What you eat on a day to day

basis. I realize it may run from one extreme to the other but I'd like to find

some common sources of food. I will tell you that I have to avoid grains like

the plague although rice seems to be okay.

Lori

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori,

Sounds like you are up against a lot of challenges and I'm sorry you

have so much to address. A way to potentially address several of your

issues at once with one protocol is to do a thorough parasite cleanse

if you haven't already. Parasites can live in every part of your body

and cause all the problems you have listed so far. Of course, it's

always a multi-faceted cause when we have problems and that requires a

multi-faceted treatment. Parasite cleansing sounds like a good

priority for you as one of your treatments if you are so inclined.

http://curezone.com/diseases/parasites/default.asp

http://curezone.com/cleanse/parasites/

These sites have some gross third world pictures of parasite

infestations that really don't help convice us sanitized " civilized "

folks that parasites could possibly be a problem with us. Cleansing

our entire body, including of parasites will cure a lot of problems.

These sites are very thorough in presenting the problem of parasites

and the treatments that we can easily do.

Dr. Hulda says in the 500 or so cleanses she supervised before

she wrote her first book the only flushes that yeilded few or no

stones were the ones in which the people did not do a parasite killing

first.

Best Regards,

Vince

......

>

> By the way, I've just done my first full flush. I've been

practically living off of greens, radishes, lemons, cold pressed olive

oil, seaweed, flax seed oil, for months now and I'm pretty much in a

chronic state of pain all the time although the attacks aren't as

severe as they've been in the past. Since my flush I think all I've

passed so far is a lot of bile, which was in and of itself

encouraging, but boy is my butt sore!!! :-)

[Guest guest]

I have some stuff with those same ingredients (among other things) that I've

used before. But then I looked at the price of ia and fell out of my

chair. Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If nothing has worked by January of 2006, I may go that route. I'll actually

have money then. I make most of my income during the winter.

Lori

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I get their coconut oil and it is fabulous. I was talking about this

parasite cleanse stuff from Hulda 's site -- it was just so expensive

($155.00). There has to be a similar way at a cheaper price.

Lori

----- Original Message -----

From: Traci

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:39 AM

Subject: RE: Re: New -- help!! (was coconut oil and gallbladder)

Tropical Traditions has very good coconut oil and at good prices.

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of Lori

Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 11:45 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Re: New -- help!! (was coconut oil and

gallbladder)

I have some stuff with those same ingredients (among other things) that I've

used before. But then I looked at the price of ia and fell out of my

chair. Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If nothing has worked by January of 2006, I may go that route. I'll

actually have money then. I make most of my income during the winter.

Lori

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I know of one....... she also has some great liver cleanse stuff.......

www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of Lori

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:37 AM

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Subject: Re: Re: New -- help!! (was coconut oil and

gallbladder)

Thanks. I get their coconut oil and it is fabulous. I was talking about

this parasite cleanse stuff from Hulda 's site -- it was just so

expensive ($155.00). There has to be a similar way at a cheaper price.

Lori

----- Original Message -----

From: Traci

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 6:39 AM

Subject: RE: Re: New -- help!! (was coconut oil and

gallbladder)

Tropical Traditions has very good coconut oil and at good prices.

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On

Behalf Of Lori

Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 11:45 PM

gallstones

Subject: Re: Re: New -- help!! (was coconut oil and

gallbladder)

I have some stuff with those same ingredients (among other things) that

I've

used before. But then I looked at the price of ia and fell out of my

chair. Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If nothing has worked by January of 2006, I may go that route. I'll

actually have money then. I make most of my income during the winter.

Lori

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hi there,

I have recently joined and been reading posts with interest. I noticed many

people believe in the value of flax oil for its healthful properties. I

wanted to recount my personal experience with it. I started taking 1

tablespoon of flax a day and after about a year I started noticing that I

was getting quite stiff, my feet turned purple and I got edema in one foot.

I wondered what was going on...it took me another year to put two and two

together and to realize that the flax was the cause of the problem. My

liver is now very congested and I theorize that the flax clogged up my

liver. I also have very high copper levels and believe the combination of

copper in the liver with the flax has created the problem. When I started

taking the flax I thought it was giving me omega 3's but have since found

out if a person is not healthy they are probably not converting it (flax

needs to be converted from W6 to W3) and instead I was ending up with a

whole lot more of W6. Anyway, something to keep in mind - I certainly

wouldn't use flax as a flush since it had the opposite effect on me.

ne

-----Original Message-----

From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ]On

Behalf Of Lori

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:13 AM

gallstones

Subject: New -- help!! (was coconut oil and gallbladder)

By the way, I've just done my first full flush. I've been practically

living off of greens, radishes, lemons, cold pressed olive oil, seaweed,

flax seed oil, for months now and I'm pretty much in a chronic state of pain

all the time although the attacks aren't as severe as they've been in the

past. Since my flush I think all I've passed so far is a lot of bile, which

was in and of itself encouraging, but boy is my butt sore!!! :-) Oh and I

also use coconut oil (refined for cooking and virgin for therapeutic

reasons) and I love the stuff.

Lori from Salt Lake City