PLEASE help me!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi, Mark:

I'm so very sorry to hear about your illness. I had tried for many years to

save my GB, did good for several years and finally on my last cleanse, I had

two small stones get stuck in my bile duct, which caused me to have

pancreatitis. So I personally know how you are feeling.

Here's the thing, pancreatitis is very dangerous. It can kill you. And if

for some reason your pancreas gets destroyed because of infection or

whatever, you can run the risk of having to have it removed and become an

instant

diabetic for the rest of your life.

But if you are feeling a little bit stronger and can eat very little food,

then I would talk to your doctor; however, if your fever goes up, by all means,

get straight to the hospital. I would not play around with it. I

personally would not cleanse until you are stronger and well. Cleansing does

take

strength and it would work your pancreas and liver too much at this time.

Now, here's the thing, you must go light on food if you're having pancreas

problems. That's why they keep you off food in the hospital, period. It

helps the pancreas heal, so it doesn't have to work digesting. But if you are

feeling better eating small amounts, I would NOT eat meat or any protein

whatsoever right at this time. I have a friend whose child was injured in an

accident and it perforated her pancreas or something. So the child had to eat

mostly veggies so her pancreas could heal. It finally did heal, but it just

took time. I'm sure you're probably aware of this, though. It is hard going

without food, believe me. So eat in small amounts throughout the day.

Well, I don't know if I've helped at all. I just know how you're feeling,

and it's no fun. Keep us posted on your progress.

Take care,

Susie

[Guest guest]

Dear Mark:

I am sure you are feeling very nervous about your condition but it sounds

like you are heading back in the right direction.

I agree with Susie about eating VERY LIGHTLY and VEGETARIAN (no dairy even)

while your pancreas heals. I wrote a fairly lengthy email a few months ago

about what I ate when I had pancreatitis and the order I ate it in -- first

clear

broth, then veg broth, then steamed vegs, then a tiny bit of oil, then beans

(I think) then starches, then combining things -- I cannot exactly remember the

order but I looked it up for that email so search under my screen name and

you should find the post.

I would also search for holistic@.... Will had an 11 day stint in the

hospital and nearly died with pancreatitis and he is a hoslitic vet so he came

home and put together a dissolving (gallstones) and strengthening plan that has

worked well for him and the others who have tried it. I would stay away from

his dietary advice (meat and raw dairy) until you are on the other side of the

pancreatitis. His advice is sound.

There are several other ongoing post-ers who have created a body of good

advice for someone in an acute situation. Look for DA_ who has had long

running success with his approach to gallbladder and liver issues. Also ne

w_man85 -- that is Vince who lives in your neck of the woods.

Check out the files section where a few of the better posts have been

archived.

Stay calm (Stress is AWFUL for all of this) and try a castor oil pack.

Holistic@... gives good directions for what to do. It is very soothing and

pulls out inflammation very effectively which will lower the infection load on

your body.

I have used castor oil packs for many things and they are terrific in acute

situations (also chronic too).

Make sure you are not constipated by whatever means you prefer and also a

WELL-TRAINED massage therapist (which may or may not be possible in your locale)

can help get those ducts open and draining.

Epsom Salts in warm water (not high on the greatest-taste scale) will relax

the ducts and let the sludge and any stuck stones pass with no interference.

It sounds like you have a good chance of retaining your GB and repairing your

health. Sit tight and take the Keflex.

I was told if I got a pain in the middle of the navel that felt like I was

being knifed to go immediately to the emergency room.

Hope this information helps. Many have been where you have been and have

fully recovered so you have a lot of people on this list rooting for you.

Best wishes, (Atlanta)

[Guest guest]

I live in a small town in the rural southeast. While in Los Angeles

week before last, I was put in the hospital. After a few tests

(including ultra-sound) I was told I had " sludge " in the gallbladder

(but no stones, they said) and that I had acute pancreatitis. I was

there for 8 days, and just got home 3 days ago. They let me leave a

little early because I promised to come back on a one-way flight and

immediately follow up with my physician. So --- here at home they did

more tests and told me they found gallstones which caused the acute

pancreatitis to begin with. But here's the thing:

I've been eating a very bland diet for a few days which I'm tolerating

ok, but I'm running a low grade fever, so they think my gallbladder is

infected. They called and told me on Friday to come to the hospital

where they'd admit me, put me back on NPO again (nothing by mouth,

like they did in Los Angeles) and IV antibiotics for a few days until

the infection is gone, and then take out my gallbladder. Since I have

just went through almost a week without eating and lost 17 pounds and

feel SO weak, hearing them say that to me almost made me (a 42 year

old man) cry. Since I had only been eating for one day when they told

me that (and the food, although bland, was SO good, and I could feel

that it was nourishing me) I *begged* the Dr. into trying an

antibiotic by mouth, letting me go back home, and seeing if that would

work so that I could at least get some strength back before the

surgery. They gave in and gave me 10 days worth of Keflex, telling me

to come back if the fever got higher, or isn't gone by tomorrow

(Monday) afternoon. As of now - almost 1pm (central) on Sunday, I

haven't had a fever today, not even low-grade ... so far. But it

tends to come on in the afternoon or evening. I'll see how it goes

today.

But then I found a website!!! (the page that my search brought up is:

http://www.allnaturalinfo.com/liver_cleanse.htm ) My question is

...... can you PLEASE help me with a way to get the infection out of my

gallbladder so that I can begin the cleanse???!!! I do realize that

even if I can get rid of the infection, I still need to do the

parasite and kidney cleanse first, and I haven't even read that part

of it yet because I was so excited after reading the liver cleanse

page that I couldn't wait to write and ask how to get rid of the

infection.

THANK YOU SO MUCH for being here on the internet, and PLEASE HELP

ME!!!

Mark

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/13/2005 6:39:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Tishri7@... writes:

> Oh, , what do you think about Mark drinking organic apple juice right

>

> now, it works wonders for breaking up that sludge?

>

>

I was hesitant to mention it because of the sugar which will put a load on

the pancreas. If it were me I would prob not do it for a week or so, but there

is no reason he could not eat a couple of apples a day and lots of water with

lemon juice in it. That should help the whole digestive system.

I think I would also add a few enzymes. You can buy those in almost every

town no matter the size. Nature's Sunshine makes a product called HiLipase which

I took for a while to loosen up the sludge. There is often that brand

somewhere in a town and obviously you could order from the Internet.

There are lots of herbs to try to break up the sludge, etc, but when you are

the most acute I found doing a couple of things and being very gentle to try

to get the boat righted and stable worked for me.

I seem to remember that Will (holistic@...) last spring talked about his

emergency kit and what he does for attacks and acute situations. That seemed

a good resource since all the info was in one email.

Mark, good luck. You are going to be fine.

If you can, you will clean up your lifestyle and flush, figure out your

trigger foods and leave a long life with your GB.

If you get more acute and that is not possible, you will have an IV, get over

the infection and then you can decide if you want to promise to return and go

home and then try a flush or two or if you will opt for surgery.

Then, come back, if you take the latter path and you can learn how to keep

that digestive track is tiptop shape.

I do remember one Will comment I will pass along. I forgot to mention it

before. Eggs are a trigger for most people. So avoid them right now. I have

never

liked them so I do not eat them even on a good day so they slipped my mind.

(Atlanta)

[Guest guest]

Hi, :

Yes, eggs were a trigger for me, and I started thinking that organic apple

juice, which very definitely breaks up the sludge, might be too strong for him

right now.

Oh, eggs are good for us, but not in Mark's shape. But whenever I had GB

problem, eggs would trigger an attack. I found out many healthy foods do

trigger attacks. I think one of Dale's foods used to be cabbage. So he

couldn't

eat cabbage for a time.

In my honest opinion, preparing for the cleanse is just as important, if not

more so, than the cleanse. You must be prepared, and the longer you

prepare, the better. You actually get more stuff out and it's easier on you

too. I

think that in my case in the last cleanse that I did, I didn't prepare long

enough. I only prepared about a week, which I was thinking at the time was

enough. But those last two stubborn gallstones, the small ones, gave me a

fit. They didn't want to go bye-bye.

It's a shame, all that I went through and just two small stones left,

nothing else in my GB and I felt like I had to give it up.

Susie

[Guest guest]

markjennings42 wrote:

> I live in a small town in the rural southeast. While in Los Angeles

> week before last, I was put in the hospital. After a few tests

> (including ultra-sound) I was told I had " sludge " in the gallbladder

> (but no stones, they said) and that I had acute pancreatitis. I was

> there for 8 days, and just got home 3 days ago. They let me leave a

> little early because I promised to come back on a one-way flight and

> immediately follow up with my physician. So --- here at home they did

> more tests and told me they found gallstones which caused the acute

> pancreatitis to begin with.

Your scary message reminds me -- one month after my first attack -- how

many nasty things can happen. I've been feeling too good - and slipping

into bad habits.

Of course, this also makes me wonder if I should bother to get a

ultrasound if they won't necessarily find them first time around and

just assume worse and be very careful -- and run to emergency if get

pain/vomiting/fever.

Good Luck!!

[Guest guest]

Wow. The posts have been so good and helpful. Thanks very much to

those of you who've responded so far. It's given me good ideas, and

some hope. Although ... I've been " deflated " again this afternoon

I had no fever today until 5:40. It was 99.5 again. I know - it's

only low grade, but it's another fever after 48 hours on the

antibiotic. I was told that if it hasn't gone away after 72 hours

(tomorrow afternoon) to come back. There's another thing - I'll try

to make it quick ... last Monday night (while still in the hospital in

L.A., but getting better daily with the pain from the pancreatitis) my

fever spiked 2 times during the night to 103.5. The next morning, the

Dr. had a fit, put me on IV antibiotics, and did a blood culture for

sepsis (or however it's spelled). The next day, he said I didn't have

sepsis, and didn't say anything else about it --- I guess because,

after 3 little bags of the antibiotic through my IV, I didn't have a

fever anymore.

Then -- you know the rest of the story. (that since I got home, they

found the gallstones and said that's what caused my pancreatitis, and

that my gallbladder is infected). BUT ... my daily fevers haven't

gone over 100.5 (and the last time it was 100.5 was Fri. ... I've been

on the oral antiobiotic since Fri. afternoon). Yesterday (and now,

this afternoon again) it's 99.5 --- but this doesn't start until

the afternoon\evening.

What do you people think? It hasn't been *near* 103.5 again, so .....

taking the Keflex is doing the trick, or not? (It's 500mg. 3 times a

day). Should I still be having low-grade fever after 48 hours on it?

Or should I give it until tomorrow afternoon --- until 72 hours on

it? Also, what if I'm still having 99.5 in the afternoon and evening,

say on Tuesday, but it still isn't going above that level?

Oh yeah --- does anyone know of a natural way to heal the infection in

the GB? Or a better\stronger antibiotic specifically for the GB?

Also ... could/should I go ahead and start the parasite and kidney

cleanse now, or wait until this infection is cleared up?

Thanks again! I'M DESPERATE!!!

Mark

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/13/2005 11:43:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

markjennings42@... writes:

> Oh yeah --- does anyone know of a natural way to heal the infection in

> the GB? Or a better\stronger antibiotic specifically for the GB?

>

> Also ... could/should I go ahead and start the parasite and kidney

> cleanse now, or wait until this infection is cleared up?

>

Mark:

Most people experience a rise in basal temp in the afternoon/early evening.

It is perfectly normal. You prob have your temp rise every day. Mine does. I

would not stress unless you get over 100. Going from 98.6 to 99.5 is not a huge

rise and not indicative of sepsis or even an dramatically escalating

infection.

As for natural ways to help the antibiotic -- there are many. That is why I

suggested you read through Will's posts since he offers lists of alternatives

to antibiotics. (Holistic@...). I use echninecea and goldenseal routinely.

I would suggest you begin milk thistle which is liver

protective/regenerative.

I personally prefer liquid herbs to dry for better absorption. You can add

them to a small glass of water and drink down. I also take Angustora Bitters

(from the grocery store) which is a strong digestive remedy. It tastes very

bitter. Must be diluted.

When I am acute I add 10 drops of lemon juice (real lemons, not the bottled

crap) and about 10 drops of Angustora Bitters to a half glass of water and sip.

Some people use a 1/2 tsp of apple cider vinegar and water and sip.

You must decide your own path of healing, but I can tell you I would not do

anything if I was in a acute situation or coming off an acute situation except

try to get myself and my body back on an even keel. I know you are scared and

very gung ho to change this situation back to something familiar to you.

owever, there is no magic bullet.

This condition took years of bad eating and less than optimum lifestyle

habits to get this way and it takes time to work your way out of it if you are

going the natural route. I can only tell you that if you choose so " go holistic "

most people end up more healthy than they have in years.

Let me share two concepts with you and then you must take the time to read

the archives. Part of the process of recovery is taking responsibility for

yourself and not relying on other people -- be it doctors or anyone. You started

when you checked yourself out of the hospital. You can continue by researching

and investing a few hours reading the archives (I gave you several people who

are also men (women tend to get this more often than men) and reading their

posts will offer you the most concise and time efficient way to gain a lot of

knowledge on how to help yourself.)

Livers make stones. No one knows why. For sure liver congestion, brought on

by food chemicals, environmental chemicals, hormones, drugs, alcohol, Tylenol,

viruses, bacteria, parasites, et, is implicated in why the chemical plant that

is our liver slows down. (herb source for Chinese herbs and info

www.sensiblehealth.com)

Stones are stored in the GB along with bile. When too many stones get in the

GB the bile slows down making more stones. Improper eating (low-fat eating)

also can cause the bile to stagnate and get very thick.

Our bodies (imho) excrete the gall and liver stones all the time. One day

after some incident (too heavy a meal, too much fat -- even olive oil, huge

stress) etc, a stone gets stuck in front of the common duct which is where the

pancreas joins the gall bladder and then the pancreatic juices back up (not good

since they will eat the pancreas) for a period of time and you get

pancreatitis, creating the symptoms you experienced. There are other kinds of

pancreatitis

but this is the most common.

You have not shared what happened to you before you " got sick " but see if

this overly-simplified explanation helps you to understand what might be

happening.

Healing the pancreas is step one. Getting the bile flowing is step two.

Getting on a liver healing lifestyle is step 3. Getting the stones out is step

4.

Try to exercise patience and not jump over a step. Your body has been through

a huge incident that could have, without intervention, killed you. Let it

rest and recover before you attempt step 4. Flushing and cleansing takes a lot

of

energy. You do not have it right now. You have enthusiasm but not core

strengh.

Remember you are taking antibiotics -- anti-biotics. Against life. It is

killing the good guys and bad guys right now. You need them so take them, get

the

infection under control. Add herbs as you feel like your body can tolerate

them. Add enzymes. Learn about a new diet and how to get your bile flowing.

Start there.

Best wishes, (Atlanta)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

>>>Remember you are taking antibiotics -- anti-biotics. Against life. It is

killing the good guys and bad guys right now. You need them so take them, get

the

infection under control. <<<

Great advice for Mark! I may have missed someone already saying this, but do

you think " probiotics " be a good idea to add, as well, in a situation such as

Mark's when the body is being lambasted with the " anti " -biotic variety?

Peace, n

[Guest guest]

ask your speech therapist to do the kaufman praxis test, then have the

speech therapist write a letter to the doctor, you also need a letter from ot

stating your child has hypotonia which you will send to the doctor

[Guest guest]

Developmental Pediatrician or Pediatric Neurologist. good luck

>

>> How do I get a confirmed diagnosis? From who? He is 3 years old already,

shouldn't someone be able to tell me whether he has it or not.

>

>

[Guest guest]

At his age, a nuerodevelopmental pediatrician should be able to recognize the

signs of Apraxia and thus diagnose him. My son was diagnosed @ age 3. She then

recommended Speech Therapy @ least 2 x privately to accompany is 3x a week @

preschool for the language delayed. She also recommended I give him ProEFA &

ProEPA by Nordic Naturals. I also gave him High Gamma Tocopherol - Vitamin E.

Today @ 7 y.o., he is talking just fine though he still has language

issues...expressive & receptive. By the way, she diagnosed him with severe oral

& verbal apraxia, having sensory integration disorder & hypotonia (low muscle

tone in his forearms).

Hope this helps, a little.

Myra