Re: no stones in 4 cleanses

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne, sorry to hear about your lack of success from the flush.

Fatigue is definitly a reason NOT to flush, as is any sickness. The

flush requires extra energy from your body. You may be full of

stones (sounds like you are from your weak liver symptoms), and your

body doesn't have the energy to flush them out.

The green stones are the same gallstones and liver stones that the

doctors remove from the gall bladder after gall bladder surgery, or

they find in the liver during autopsies. See the pictures at our

website:

http://photos./group/gallstones/lst

There are 18 webpages, so made sure you look at all of them. There

are all kinds of gall stones, including soft green ones made of bile

and cholesterol. People think the word stone has to mean something

as hard as a rock, but not so in gall stones.

Address your thyroid/energy problem naturally and you will be more

in the condition to do a successful flush.

Have you felt better and more energetic after your flushes? If you

have, you HAVE been successful and if I were you I'd do more. If

you have not felt better and more energetic after your flushes, I

would address the thyroid function issue naturally and hold off on

the flushes. I'd also take things to help my liver every day.

That will help no matter what else you do.

Hope this helps,

Vince

Best Regards,

Vince

>

>

> I'm wondering if I should continue trying to do liver cleansings.

I

> started doing them because of debilitating fatigue. I am being

> treated for adrenal fatigue, and low thyroid, and have symptoms of

> chronic fatigue. I did my first cleanse in the Spring of 2002, the

> next one over a year later (at which time I also took H.'s

> parasite bitters) . The 3rd and 4th have been in the last month;

the

> 3rd one I drank apple juice all week first. I have not passed any

> stones, per se. I have passed the green balls which are soft,

which I

> think are just bile. Only a few passed this last time.

>

> The problem is that I personally think my liver is under-

functioning.

> The biggest problem is that I started having vision problems in

1999

> and though it was medication but it has continued now that I'm off

> medication. It now seems to be directly related to food,

particularly

> processed food. My vision goes blurry almost immediately when I

eat

> chemicals, or non whole foods. That is why I think my liver is not

> functioning well. This is still a guess, though. What could that

mean

> in relation to liver cleanses? Would anyone venture a guess?

Thanks.

>

> anne

[Guest guest]

ms4runr2 wrote:

>

>

> I'm wondering if I should continue trying to do liver cleansings. I

> started doing them because of debilitating fatigue. I am being

> treated for adrenal fatigue, and low thyroid, and have symptoms of

> chronic fatigue.

Because you mention chronic fatique, thought I'd mention there are so

many factors that contribute to that. I started having problems after I

came down with a weird virus going around Los Angeles in Spring 1987

when I was living there. It also can be related to lots of nasty gray

mercury-filled fillings in the teeth. And other kinds of toxic overload

in the system. Using natural chelation methods like parsley, etc. can

help. Always good to try to visit a holistic practioner if possible to

get an overall view.

CM

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

The day after I miss taking my vitamin A & D (son 10,000IU A &

400IU D) my eyes return to intermittent blurring... Very dangerous

when it happens when you're driving, especially if it's both eyes. I

hope this helps.

Jeanne

> The biggest problem is that I started having vision problems in

1999 and though it was medication but it has continued now that I'm

off medication. It now seems to be directly related to food,

particularly processed food. My vision goes blurry almost

immediately when I eat chemicals, or non whole foods. That is why I

think my liver is not functioning well. This is still a guess,

though. What could that mean in relation to liver cleanses? Would

anyone venture a guess? Thanks.

>

> anne

[Guest guest]

Actually to be more specific...Cilantro is the type of parsley you want (in

Austalia we normally call this European or Continental Parsley)...

Cilantro is the chelator par excellence...

Here is a detox/chelation recipe I got from somewhere..

From: http://www.internationalrawfoods.org/Recipes.htm

and also

http://chetday.com/howtoremoveheavymetals.htm

There are several other web pages saying basically the same thing

Recipe:

4 cloves rawv garlic

1/3 cup Brazil nuts (selenium)

1/3 cup sunflower seeds (cysteine)

1/3 cup pumpkin seeds (zinc, magnesium)

2 cups packed fresh cilantro (coriander, Chinese parsley) (vitamin A)

2/3 cup flaxseed oil

4 tablespoons lemon juice (vitamin C)

2 tsp dulse powder

Sea salt to taste

That is the entire recipe ..I assume you are supposed to blend it in the blender

....thats what I do...its great as a dressing for raw or cooked vegetables....I

usually sub extra virgin Olive Oil in varying amounts,.. for flax oil

though..Only because I reserve flax oil (out of my deep freezer)..for mixing

with kefir ..(aka Johanna Budwig)..fwiw

----- Original Message -----

From: Carol in dc

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:33 PM

Subject: Re: no stones in 4 cleanses

I can't remember off hand in in a mess of others stuff.

When in doubt, google :-) variations on natural chelation or how to

chelate naturally

Tina wrote:

> > Using natural chelation methods like

> > parsley, etc. can

> > help.

>

> I didn't know parsley was a natural chelator. I know

> garlic is. Could you mention some of the others?

>

> Tina

[Guest guest]

Thanks for recipe! I was trying to get cilantro out of my brain but it

kept coming out CILEANDOR :-(

Re. flax oil IN kefir - ack, waste of good kefir . I just culp down the

flax seed oil straight from bottle (without mouthing the opening) and

THEN swallow something tasty quick to get rid of the taste.

O wrote:

> Actually to be more specific...Cilantro is the type of parsley you

> want (in Austalia we normally call this European or Continental

> Parsley)...

> Cilantro is the chelator par excellence...

>

> Here is a detox/chelation recipe I got from somewhere..

>

> From: http://www.internationalrawfoods.org/Recipes.htm

> and also

> http://chetday.com/howtoremoveheavymetals.htm

> There are several other web pages saying basically the same thing

> Recipe:

>

> 4 cloves rawv garlic

> 1/3 cup Brazil nuts (selenium)

> 1/3 cup sunflower seeds (cysteine)

> 1/3 cup pumpkin seeds (zinc, magnesium)

> 2 cups packed fresh cilantro (coriander, Chinese parsley) (vitamin A)

> 2/3 cup flaxseed oil

> 4 tablespoons lemon juice (vitamin C)

> 2 tsp dulse powder

> Sea salt to taste

>

> That is the entire recipe ..I assume you are supposed to blend it in

> the blender ...thats what I do...its great as a dressing for raw or

> cooked vegetables....I usually sub extra virgin Olive Oil in varying

> amounts,.. for flax oil though..Only because I reserve flax oil (out

> of my deep freezer)..for mixing with kefir ..(aka Johanna Budwig)..fwiw

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Carol in dc

> gallstones

> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:33 PM

> Subject: Re: no stones in 4 cleanses

>

>

> I can't remember off hand in in a mess of others stuff.

>

> When in doubt, google :-) variations on natural chelation or how to

> chelate naturally

>

> Tina wrote:

>

> > > Using natural chelation methods like

> > > parsley, etc. can

> > > help.

> >

> > I didn't know parsley was a natural chelator. I know

> > garlic is. Could you mention some of the others?

> >

> > Tina

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I prefer the FO in the Kefir mixed ...goes better taste/thickness wise as well

with h the combo of mung bean sprouts & /or raw veg etc I usually have ...

......different taste/preferences is what makes the world go round

----- Original Message -----

From: Carol in dc

gallstones

Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:07 AM

Subject: Re: no stones in 4 cleanses

Thanks for recipe! I was trying to get cilantro out of my brain but it

kept coming out CILEANDOR :-(

Re. flax oil IN kefir - ack, waste of good kefir . I just culp down the

flax seed oil straight from bottle (without mouthing the opening) and

THEN swallow something tasty quick to get rid of the taste.

O wrote:

> Actually to be more specific...Cilantro is the type of parsley you

> want (in Austalia we normally call this European or Continental

> Parsley)...

> Cilantro is the chelator par excellence...

>

> Here is a detox/chelation recipe I got from somewhere..

>

> From: http://www.internationalrawfoods.org/Recipes.htm

> and also

> http://chetday.com/howtoremoveheavymetals.htm

> There are several other web pages saying basically the same thing

> Recipe:

>

> 4 cloves rawv garlic

> 1/3 cup Brazil nuts (selenium)

> 1/3 cup sunflower seeds (cysteine)

> 1/3 cup pumpkin seeds (zinc, magnesium)

> 2 cups packed fresh cilantro (coriander, Chinese parsley) (vitamin A)

> 2/3 cup flaxseed oil

> 4 tablespoons lemon juice (vitamin C)

> 2 tsp dulse powder

> Sea salt to taste

>

> That is the entire recipe ..I assume you are supposed to blend it in

> the blender ...thats what I do...its great as a dressing for raw or

> cooked vegetables....I usually sub extra virgin Olive Oil in varying

> amounts,.. for flax oil though..Only because I reserve flax oil (out

> of my deep freezer)..for mixing with kefir ..(aka Johanna Budwig)..fwiw

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Carol in dc

> gallstones

> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 3:33 PM

> Subject: Re: no stones in 4 cleanses

>

>

> I can't remember off hand in in a mess of others stuff.

>

> When in doubt, google :-) variations on natural chelation or how to

> chelate naturally

>

> Tina wrote:

>

> > > Using natural chelation methods like

> > > parsley, etc. can

> > > help.

> >

> > I didn't know parsley was a natural chelator. I know

> > garlic is. Could you mention some of the others?

> >

> > Tina

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Please take it from me because I just experienced this. Well, " acute "

pancreatitis, anyway. (Is there a difference? I really don't know).

Anyway, if you're wondering and\or worrying about whether you have

acute pancreatitis, you do *not* have it. You are literally doubled

over in pain, you cannot eat a thing because it highly intensifies the

pain, and ... well, let me put it to you this way. Until you've had

this, you only *thought* you knew what stomach cramps are.

By the way, if you ever have this, get thee to the hospital PRONTO.

It can and will kill you unless treated properly. (An RN acquaintance

of mine confirmed this). The only treatment is " nothing by mouth "

(and I do mean, nothing. They let me have ice chips, but only a few).

They'll put you on IV fluids with added pottasium, etc. for

nourishment. They'll do blood tests daily to find out your amalaise

and lipase numbers, and wait until they come down to normal before

they start letting you have a liquid diet. For me it was 6 days on

NPO (nothing by mouth).

Mark

> What are the symptoms of pancreatitis anyone?

> please!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

That is because the plant part is called cilantro and the seed is called

coriander. I think you were putting both words together.

: )

G Murray

Carol in dc wrote:

>Thanks for recipe! I was trying to get cilantro out of my brain but it

>kept coming out CILEANDOR :-(

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