Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

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Dave

Are you a herbalist? There is a commercial apricot kernel oil out there to use

in salad dressings,

how would that do especially if mixed with olive oil? Dogwood and cherry bark

look rather dangerous,

but I am trying to take some Chinese licorice tea to relax the gallbladder.

One herbalist apparently simply recommended 2-3 garlic cloves, crushed, with 2-3

tablespoons

of olive oil for 10 days as a mild flush, and the person apparently got rid of

all her stones.

Don't know if she was eating normally during that period, or what. Garlic

apparently does

dissolve stones on contact, within about 6 hours if contact is maintained. The

problem is

how to introduce it if the gallbladder is partially closed, bar use of dogwood.

And how about

betaine-HCL (beetroot leaf) - would it have more chance of getting in there than

some of the

other materials.

Anyway, it is clear that we need two agents:

1) One agent to open the gallbladder when it is contorted and partially closed.

2) Another agent to get picked up in bile, something better than bile salts.

Comments very welcome.

Max

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:10 AM

Subject: Re: BOXING FOR TONING THE UPPER GI TRACT

Sounds like you not only have some time and options; but a fighting spirit

too. Think you might be really successful at this. Think about either apricot

pit, Jamaican dogwood (most powerful), or wild cherry bark to relax the smooth

muscle of the gallbladder and bile duct, as well as the obvious magnesium in

whatever form you choose. Malic acid and lecithin will be softening and

emulsifying to the stones too. Good luck, prove him wrong. Always, in all

ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:45 PM

Subject: BOXING FOR TONING THE UPPER GI TRACT

Dave:

Yes, now he has changed his opinion. He now says it is not completely

closed, but since more material is getting in than going out, it will soon

rupture and lead to peritonitis. To avoid this " likelihood " , I must operate

it, he says.

Actually, he seems to have failed to notice that when I had my gallbladder

attacks (so far about 10), the pain has always been centralized exactly at the

junction of the common bile duct with the small intestine. According

to another doctor, this shows that the pain, lasting a few hours with

sweating and malaise, has indeed come from stones attempting to pass into the

small intestine and getting stuck at the sphincter. So they have become " common

bile duct

stones " . It also shows that sufficient material is leaving the gallbladder

in direct contrast to what the first doctor said. The massively elevated liver

enzymes,including gamma-GTP at about 1000 (normal is 50-70), would certainly

seem to indicate some blockage of the common bile duct as well as the cystic

duct.

I found yesterday that punching a pillow with aggressive force was able to

relieve the mild pain I had very quickly. It is a fact that exercise prevents

gallstone problems, and I would imagine that exercise of the upper body,

as in boxing, is exactly the most beneficial kind for the upper GI tract

(whereas football would benefit the colon and lower GI tract). It would tend to

dislodge the stones and sludge, as well as toning up the whole biliary tree. So

I am

thinking of getting a PUNCH BAG to hit. Unless you want to be a

professional boxer, please don't hang the bag at eye level where it could

rebound and hit your head and eyes: tie it up so that it is at chest height.

For the time being, I am going to

suspend a soccer ball in a small net and hit that. How many boxers have

gallstones? And let's take a PET bottle filled with a solution of 1 tsp of

magnesium citrate in water or juice to the ring. I want a clean fight....

Yes, occasional dilation of the ducts with magnesium citrate would help to

keep them open so that existing sludge could drain more easily, and stones could

pass. In the meantime, we could work on all the stones remaining in the

gallbladder with natural substances proven to dissolve gallstones, maybe

combined with Actigall (ursodeoxycholic acid).

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:42 AM

Subject: Re: CLOSURE OF THE GALLBLADDER

We hear this type of diagnoses from some MDs all the time. If your gall

bladder was completely closed your liver would be swelling up like a baloon.

Human fois gras. How does the doc know the stones are sharp? The magnesium in

either epsom salts, magnesium citrate, magnesium malate, ect. may relax it

enough to open it up. Herbs such as apricot pit, or wild cherry bark might

relax it enough too. I personally would recommend a second opinion from another

MD and preferably one who is knowledgable about natural therapies. If your

gallbladder is truly closed you may have no other choice but to have it removed.

I just doubt the diagnosis (I may be wrong), it sounds more like a hysterical

explanation by an MD with a stuck paradigm (mabey as closed as your gallbladder

supposedly is) as to why he/she is right and why there are supposedly no other

options. Again if it is truly completely blocked, act fast. Always, in all

ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: silversblue3000<mailto:max@...>

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Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 6:31 AM

Subject: CLOSURE OF THE GALLBLADDER

Hi, I have been having serious GB attacks for the last 6 months

Ultrasound shows the GB is full of stones.

It's chronic cholecystitis and the doc says if they don't remove

the GB I'll die from peritonitis due to the sharp stones

in there cutting thru the wall.

Moreover, the GB is closed, so the stones can't get out and

dissolving agents can't get in to dissolve the stones.

It's " check-mate " at the moment.

Herbs such as dandelion which are normally great for gallstones

are contra-indicated in cases of gallbladder closure.

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----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:05 AM

Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

Dave

Are you a herbalist?

Yes.

There is a commercial apricot kernel oil out there to use in salad

dressings,

how would that do especially if mixed with olive oil?

The oil, while a fantastic cold pressed oil for your liver, gallbladder and

taste buds (not to mention hormones, brain, etc.) does not contain the amygdalin

(laetrile) and therefore is not relaxing to smooth muscle. In terms of your

salad dressing; delicious and healthy in many ways.

Dogwood and cherry bark look rather dangerous,

The cherry bark contains the same cyanic glycoside. These compounds are also

classified as cardiac glycosides and increase the strength of the beat while

relaxing the heart (long story). Quite safe in small quantities (2-4 " 00 "

caps). The really nice thing is it takes small quantities to get the job done

because it is a powerful herb. In large quantities can be too relaxing to the

heart. Anecdotally; does anyone remember Luden's wild cherry cough drops? It

was not about the flavor! Excellent cough suppressant also. Genus name for

Jamaican dogwood is pisidia, indicating it's use for stunning fish in streams.

Again quite safe in lower doses. NON OF THE ABOVE IS A PRESCRIPTION IN ANY WAY.

I am merely mentioning possible options. ALWAYS consult a qualified

professional (or amateur).

but I am trying to take some Chinese licorice tea to relax the gallbladder.

While highly anti-inflammatory I don't know of licorice being relaxing to

smooth muscle. Careful about blood pressure also.

One herbalist apparently simply recommended 2-3 garlic cloves, crushed, with

2-3 tablespoons

of olive oil for 10 days as a mild flush, and the person apparently got rid of

all her stones.

I am really happy for this individual, but if it worked this way all of the

time, gallstones would be non existent in Italy.

Don't know if she was eating normally during that period, or what. Garlic

apparently does

dissolve stones on contact, within about 6 hours if contact is maintained.

Ingestion is one thing. The digestion, assimilation, and transportation are

another. Unfortunately we do not ingest garlic (or anything else) and have it

go to where we want it unencumbered. I suppose we could inject garlic extract

directly into the gallbladder, but that is a bit to invasive for me.

The problem is

how to introduce it if the gallbladder is partially closed, bar use of

dogwood.

Jamaican dogwood is only one option, any of the magnesium compounds mentioned

on this group also work well; just differently.

And how about

betaine-HCL (beetroot leaf) - would it have more chance of getting in there

than some of the

other materials.

The acid that seems to have the most effect with liver/gallbladder is Malic

(high in apples and other members of the rose family, some with the genus,

malvus)

Anyway, it is clear that we need two agents:

1) One agent to open the gallbladder when it is contorted and partially

closed.

2) Another agent to get picked up in bile, something better than bile salts.

1) Magnesium is so relaxing to smooth muscle it is the treatment of choice

for stopping premature labor (magnesium sulfate (epsom salts) drip). And/or any

of the herbal smooth muscle relaxants.

2) The bile acids are actually excellent, hence the use of them by the

medical establishment to dissolve the stones (typical treatment is months not

days, or weeks). There is a plethora of herbal agents (many mentioned on this

group and in the archives) that are also very effective. Again, if your aim is

to dissolve we are talking months. But you can be very effective. If the

stones are too large to pass freely through the ducts, one would be well advised

to work on dissolution to the point that they are small enough or you run the

risk of getting them stuck. Neither pleasant, nor conducive to saving your

gallbladder. If they are small enough to pass freely, flushing them out through

the many flushes available in the archives and links is probably faster and

easier.

Again Max, you have obviously done your homework, and are headed for

success, my only caution is that there may not be much dissolution over a one

week period of time. If the stones are small enough, this may not be a factor

anyway. Good luck. -Dave

Comments very welcome.

Max

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----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:09 AM

Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

See below again.

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...<mailto:max@...>>

To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones <mailto:gallstones@y\

ahoogroups.com<mailto:gallstones >>

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:05 AM

Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

2) Woops! forgot to mention Lecithin and/or it's components; phosphatidyl

choline, phosphotidyl serine, inositol, etc. Major component in bile that

emulsifies the cholesterol and keeps it in aqueous suspension.

[Guest guest]

Dave

I saw the Chinese herbalist today. I will be posting to other groups about what

she said.

She made up a Chinese formula for me to heal the gallbladder, and improve the

heart and prostrate

because, she says, I also have problems with those organs (I did have congestive

prostatitis).

As for the stones. She does not want to flush any of the stones, she wants to

dissolve

them completely. And she does not want me to take any other supplements or

herbs

apart from her mixture, as she says it will be detrimental. For example, Bill

Sardi recommends

taking his Gallbladder Support Formula 5 times a day for chronic gallbladder

problems,

and he also mentioned just now that milk thistle - in megadoses - retards

scarring of

the bile duct. Bill Sardi's supplements and advice are all based on scientific

studies and

not his opinions. Therefore it is very attractive to take these supplements,

especially

the milk thistle, for example, but I have been told to hold back, and take only

the Chinese

herbs. I am in a quandary about whether to hold back on the others or not.

Secondly, she told me that my gallbladder problem is due to excess heat in the

gallbladder which has caused the water to leave the organ, which is directly

responsible

for the crystallization into stones. Moreover, she says the reason for this

excess heat is

none other than some kind of radiation from my computer screen. She says that

even

TFT screens, and even laptops, are emitting some kind of heat waves which are

responsible for these health problems. She could be right. My cousin, who was

a

computer programmer, died from some leukemia-related illness suddenly in his

30's.

A friend of a close friend, another computer programmer, died of colon cancer

last year.

Both of them worked in offices with hundreds of computers around. Gallbladder

disease

is very common in North India which has a flourishing computer industry, but is

non-

existent in South India. Dr. Henry Lai has established that cell phones are a

direct

cause of brain tumors. Two Swiss researchers have established that the use of

microwave

ovens is causing a surge in cancer deaths (they went to jail for attempting to

publish their

scientific data). I can only suggest that we use a filter on the computer

screen, but I

suspect that the circuitry under the keyboard, and the EM radiation it emits, is

to blame

here. I am not sure how to combat it. My sister advises placing living plants

nearby to

absorb the radiation.

In any case, my immediate problem therefore is hydration. Maybe we could assist

re-hydration by taking hyaluronic acid. Loss of this substance caused me to

suffer

vitreous detachments in both eyes, generating tons of floaters, and a retinal

detachment

in one eye which was repaired by surgery. Of course, the doctors blame the

vitreous

for this, not the fact that the vitreous lost HA and water, and could no longer

do its

job of protecting the retina (which is a huge lie on the part of the opthalmlogy

profession).

Finally, as to the olive oil and garlic flush to get rid of gallstones, you may

note that there is

no gallbladder disease in the Mediterranean either. But I won't be doing a

flush until

the stones are smaller or dissolved.

I look forward to your comments. Sorry for the long post.

Very best, Max.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

See below again.

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:05 AM

Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

Dave

Are you a herbalist?

Yes.

There is a commercial apricot kernel oil out there to use in salad

dressings,

how would that do especially if mixed with olive oil?

The oil, while a fantastic cold pressed oil for your liver, gallbladder and

taste buds (not to mention hormones, brain, etc.) does not contain the amygdalin

(laetrile) and therefore is not relaxing to smooth muscle. In terms of your

salad dressing; delicious and healthy in many ways.

Dogwood and cherry bark look rather dangerous,

The cherry bark contains the same cyanic glycoside. These compounds are

also classified as cardiac glycosides and increase the strength of the beat

while relaxing the heart (long story). Quite safe in small quantities (2-4 " 00 "

caps). The really nice thing is it takes small quantities to get the job done

because it is a powerful herb. In large quantities can be too relaxing to the

heart. Anecdotally; does anyone remember Luden's wild cherry cough drops? It

was not about the flavor! Excellent cough suppressant also. Genus name for

Jamaican dogwood is pisidia, indicating it's use for stunning fish in streams.

Again quite safe in lower doses. NON OF THE ABOVE IS A PRESCRIPTION IN ANY WAY.

I am merely mentioning possible options. ALWAYS consult a qualified

professional (or amateur).

but I am trying to take some Chinese licorice tea to relax the gallbladder.

While highly anti-inflammatory I don't know of licorice being relaxing to

smooth muscle. Careful about blood pressure also.

One herbalist apparently simply recommended 2-3 garlic cloves, crushed, with

2-3 tablespoons

of olive oil for 10 days as a mild flush, and the person apparently got rid

of all her stones.

I am really happy for this individual, but if it worked this way all of the

time, gallstones would be non existent in Italy.

Don't know if she was eating normally during that period, or what. Garlic

apparently does

dissolve stones on contact, within about 6 hours if contact is maintained.

Ingestion is one thing. The digestion, assimilation, and transportation are

another. Unfortunately we do not ingest garlic (or anything else) and have it

go to where we want it unencumbered. I suppose we could inject garlic extract

directly into the gallbladder, but that is a bit to invasive for me.

The problem is

how to introduce it if the gallbladder is partially closed, bar use of

dogwood.

Jamaican dogwood is only one option, any of the magnesium compounds

mentioned on this group also work well; just differently.

And how about

betaine-HCL (beetroot leaf) - would it have more chance of getting in there

than some of the

other materials.

The acid that seems to have the most effect with liver/gallbladder is Malic

(high in apples and other members of the rose family, some with the genus,

malvus)

Anyway, it is clear that we need two agents:

1) One agent to open the gallbladder when it is contorted and partially

closed.

2) Another agent to get picked up in bile, something better than bile salts.

1) Magnesium is so relaxing to smooth muscle it is the treatment of choice

for stopping premature labor (magnesium sulfate (epsom salts) drip). And/or any

of the herbal smooth muscle relaxants.

2) The bile acids are actually excellent, hence the use of them by the

medical establishment to dissolve the stones (typical treatment is months not

days, or weeks). There is a plethora of herbal agents (many mentioned on this

group and in the archives) that are also very effective. Again, if your aim is

to dissolve we are talking months. But you can be very effective. If the

stones are too large to pass freely through the ducts, one would be well advised

to work on dissolution to the point that they are small enough or you run the

risk of getting them stuck. Neither pleasant, nor conducive to saving your

gallbladder. If they are small enough to pass freely, flushing them out through

the many flushes available in the archives and links is probably faster and

easier.

Again Max, you have obviously done your homework, and are headed for

success, my only caution is that there may not be much dissolution over a one

week period of time. If the stones are small enough, this may not be a factor

anyway. Good luck. -Dave

Comments very welcome.

Max

[Guest guest]

Your chinese herbalist is approaching this from an energetic prospective, not

biochemical, visceral, and physiological. Chinese medicine is very effective.

Anything else you do besides what she has reccomended will throw off her

program. If it was me, and I had faith in her knowledge and ability, I would

toe her line religiously. You may be very effective in complete dissolution.

if as she says, it is " excess heat " in the gallbladder and you flush the stones

but do not " drain the heat " , you may just form new stones. If you follow her

program for the alloted amount of time and you still have a problem, you can

always flush later. Good luck. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:53 AM

Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

Dave

I saw the Chinese herbalist today. I will be posting to other groups about

what she said.

She made up a Chinese formula for me to heal the gallbladder, and improve the

heart and prostrate

because, she says, I also have problems with those organs (I did have

congestive prostatitis).

As for the stones. She does not want to flush any of the stones, she wants to

dissolve

them completely. And she does not want me to take any other supplements or

herbs

apart from her mixture, as she says it will be detrimental. For example, Bill

Sardi recommends

taking his Gallbladder Support Formula 5 times a day for chronic gallbladder

problems,

and he also mentioned just now that milk thistle - in megadoses - retards

scarring of

the bile duct. Bill Sardi's supplements and advice are all based on

scientific studies and

not his opinions. Therefore it is very attractive to take these supplements,

especially

the milk thistle, for example, but I have been told to hold back, and take

only the Chinese

herbs. I am in a quandary about whether to hold back on the others or not.

Secondly, she told me that my gallbladder problem is due to excess heat in the

gallbladder which has caused the water to leave the organ, which is directly

responsible

for the crystallization into stones. Moreover, she says the reason for this

excess heat is

none other than some kind of radiation from my computer screen. She says that

even

TFT screens, and even laptops, are emitting some kind of heat waves which are

responsible for these health problems. She could be right. My cousin, who

was a

computer programmer, died from some leukemia-related illness suddenly in his

30's.

A friend of a close friend, another computer programmer, died of colon cancer

last year.

Both of them worked in offices with hundreds of computers around.

Gallbladder disease

is very common in North India which has a flourishing computer industry, but

is non-

existent in South India. Dr. Henry Lai has established that cell phones are

a direct

cause of brain tumors. Two Swiss researchers have established that the use of

microwave

ovens is causing a surge in cancer deaths (they went to jail for attempting to

publish their

scientific data). I can only suggest that we use a filter on the computer

screen, but I

suspect that the circuitry under the keyboard, and the EM radiation it emits,

is to blame

here. I am not sure how to combat it. My sister advises placing living

plants nearby to

absorb the radiation.

In any case, my immediate problem therefore is hydration. Maybe we could

assist

re-hydration by taking hyaluronic acid. Loss of this substance caused me to

suffer

vitreous detachments in both eyes, generating tons of floaters, and a retinal

detachment

in one eye which was repaired by surgery. Of course, the doctors blame the

vitreous

for this, not the fact that the vitreous lost HA and water, and could no

longer do its

job of protecting the retina (which is a huge lie on the part of the

opthalmlogy profession).

Finally, as to the olive oil and garlic flush to get rid of gallstones, you

may note that there is

no gallbladder disease in the Mediterranean either. But I won't be doing a

flush until

the stones are smaller or dissolved.

I look forward to your comments. Sorry for the long post.

Very best, Max.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

See below again.

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:05 AM

Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

Dave

Are you a herbalist?

Yes.

There is a commercial apricot kernel oil out there to use in salad

dressings,

how would that do especially if mixed with olive oil?

The oil, while a fantastic cold pressed oil for your liver, gallbladder

and taste buds (not to mention hormones, brain, etc.) does not contain the

amygdalin (laetrile) and therefore is not relaxing to smooth muscle. In terms of

your salad dressing; delicious and healthy in many ways.

Dogwood and cherry bark look rather dangerous,

The cherry bark contains the same cyanic glycoside. These compounds are

also classified as cardiac glycosides and increase the strength of the beat

while relaxing the heart (long story). Quite safe in small quantities (2-4 " 00 "

caps). The really nice thing is it takes small quantities to get the job done

because it is a powerful herb. In large quantities can be too relaxing to the

heart. Anecdotally; does anyone remember Luden's wild cherry cough drops? It

was not about the flavor! Excellent cough suppressant also. Genus name for

Jamaican dogwood is pisidia, indicating it's use for stunning fish in streams.

Again quite safe in lower doses. NON OF THE ABOVE IS A PRESCRIPTION IN ANY WAY.

I am merely mentioning possible options. ALWAYS consult a qualified

professional (or amateur).

but I am trying to take some Chinese licorice tea to relax the

gallbladder.

While highly anti-inflammatory I don't know of licorice being relaxing to

smooth muscle. Careful about blood pressure also.

One herbalist apparently simply recommended 2-3 garlic cloves, crushed,

with 2-3 tablespoons

of olive oil for 10 days as a mild flush, and the person apparently got

rid of all her stones.

I am really happy for this individual, but if it worked this way all of

the time, gallstones would be non existent in Italy.

Don't know if she was eating normally during that period, or what. Garlic

apparently does

dissolve stones on contact, within about 6 hours if contact is maintained.

Ingestion is one thing. The digestion, assimilation, and transportation

are another. Unfortunately we do not ingest garlic (or anything else) and have

it go to where we want it unencumbered. I suppose we could inject garlic

extract directly into the gallbladder, but that is a bit to invasive for me.

The problem is

how to introduce it if the gallbladder is partially closed, bar use of

dogwood.

Jamaican dogwood is only one option, any of the magnesium compounds

mentioned on this group also work well; just differently.

And how about

betaine-HCL (beetroot leaf) - would it have more chance of getting in

there than some of the

other materials.

The acid that seems to have the most effect with liver/gallbladder is

Malic (high in apples and other members of the rose family, some with the genus,

malvus)

Anyway, it is clear that we need two agents:

1) One agent to open the gallbladder when it is contorted and partially

closed.

2) Another agent to get picked up in bile, something better than bile

salts.

1) Magnesium is so relaxing to smooth muscle it is the treatment of

choice for stopping premature labor (magnesium sulfate (epsom salts) drip).

And/or any of the herbal smooth muscle relaxants.

2) The bile acids are actually excellent, hence the use of them by the

medical establishment to dissolve the stones (typical treatment is months not

days, or weeks). There is a plethora of herbal agents (many mentioned on this

group and in the archives) that are also very effective. Again, if your aim is

to dissolve we are talking months. But you can be very effective. If the

stones are too large to pass freely through the ducts, one would be well advised

to work on dissolution to the point that they are small enough or you run the

risk of getting them stuck. Neither pleasant, nor conducive to saving your

gallbladder. If they are small enough to pass freely, flushing them out through

the many flushes available in the archives and links is probably faster and

easier.

Again Max, you have obviously done your homework, and are headed for

success, my only caution is that there may not be much dissolution over a one

week period of time. If the stones are small enough, this may not be a factor

anyway. Good luck. -Dave

Comments very welcome.

Max

[Guest guest]

I too have noticed more floaters in my one eye and was wondering why

when all my blood work was great---and then the gallbladder problems

started 6 months later --knew there had to be a reason but it just

was not showing up in any blood work-- YET -- Now liver levels at

40 and it was 15 (sgpt and sgot or ast and alt)---lipid profile was

2.9--low all the way around.

so I could not figure out how I have gallstones problems--yes some

weight gain---but I think mine is due more to not digesting correctly-

-

need more acid I think.

I just finished my second flush--much more successful this time

around--and I modified it to work for me (used more grapefruit less

lemon) and drank epsom salts with cranberry juice so I could get that

down as well and extra light virgin olive oil--so I could keep that

down too.

I will get new blood work in Sept to compare results.

My only other thought is that my alk phosphatase is at 46 considered

low and that is usually a sign of hypothyroid but those numbers are

pretty good---could be a bit better.

So why is the floaters happening if the liver was in good health?---

and garlic and onions I eat everyday---Very Italian!!!!!

so I don't understand---tina

-- In gallstones , " max " <max@k...> wrote:

> Dave

> I saw the Chinese herbalist today. I will be posting to other

groups about what she said.

> She made up a Chinese formula for me to heal the gallbladder, and

improve the heart and prostrate

> because, she says, I also have problems with those organs (I did

have congestive prostatitis).

> As for the stones. She does not want to flush any of the stones,

she wants to dissolve

> them completely. And she does not want me to take any other

supplements or herbs

> apart from her mixture, as she says it will be detrimental. For

example, Bill Sardi recommends

> taking his Gallbladder Support Formula 5 times a day for chronic

gallbladder problems,

> and he also mentioned just now that milk thistle - in megadoses -

retards scarring of

> the bile duct. Bill Sardi's supplements and advice are all based

on scientific studies and

> not his opinions. Therefore it is very attractive to take these

supplements, especially

> the milk thistle, for example, but I have been told to hold back,

and take only the Chinese

> herbs. I am in a quandary about whether to hold back on the others

or not.

> Secondly, she told me that my gallbladder problem is due to excess

heat in the

> gallbladder which has caused the water to leave the organ, which is

directly responsible

> for the crystallization into stones. Moreover, she says the

reason for this excess heat is

> none other than some kind of radiation from my computer screen.

She says that even

> TFT screens, and even laptops, are emitting some kind of heat waves

which are

> responsible for these health problems. She could be right. My

cousin, who was a

> computer programmer, died from some leukemia-related illness

suddenly in his 30's.

> A friend of a close friend, another computer programmer, died of

colon cancer last year.

> Both of them worked in offices with hundreds of computers around.

Gallbladder disease

> is very common in North India which has a flourishing computer

industry, but is non-

> existent in South India. Dr. Henry Lai has established that cell

phones are a direct

> cause of brain tumors. Two Swiss researchers have established that

the use of microwave

> ovens is causing a surge in cancer deaths (they went to jail for

attempting to publish their

> scientific data). I can only suggest that we use a filter on the

computer screen, but I

> suspect that the circuitry under the keyboard, and the EM radiation

it emits, is to blame

> here. I am not sure how to combat it. My sister advises placing

living plants nearby to

> absorb the radiation.

> In any case, my immediate problem therefore is hydration. Maybe we

could assist

> re-hydration by taking hyaluronic acid. Loss of this substance

caused me to suffer

> vitreous detachments in both eyes, generating tons of floaters, and

a retinal detachment

> in one eye which was repaired by surgery. Of course, the doctors

blame the vitreous

> for this, not the fact that the vitreous lost HA and water, and

could no longer do its

> job of protecting the retina (which is a huge lie on the part of

the opthalmlogy profession).

> Finally, as to the olive oil and garlic flush to get rid of

gallstones, you may note that there is

> no gallbladder disease in the Mediterranean either. But I won't be

doing a flush until

> the stones are smaller or dissolved.

> I look forward to your comments. Sorry for the long post.

> Very best, Max.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Dave Shelden

> gallstones

> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:09 PM

> Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

>

>

> See below again.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: max<mailto:max@k...>

> To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:05 AM

> Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of

agents

>

>

> Dave

> Are you a herbalist?

>

> Yes.

>

> There is a commercial apricot kernel oil out there to use in

salad dressings,

> how would that do especially if mixed with olive oil?

>

> The oil, while a fantastic cold pressed oil for your liver,

gallbladder and taste buds (not to mention hormones, brain, etc.)

does not contain the amygdalin (laetrile) and therefore is not

relaxing to smooth muscle. In terms of your salad dressing; delicious

and healthy in many ways.

>

> Dogwood and cherry bark look rather dangerous,

> The cherry bark contains the same cyanic glycoside. These

compounds are also classified as cardiac glycosides and increase the

strength of the beat while relaxing the heart (long story). Quite

safe in small quantities (2-4 " 00 " caps). The really nice thing is

it takes small quantities to get the job done because it is a

powerful herb. In large quantities can be too relaxing to the

heart. Anecdotally; does anyone remember Luden's wild cherry cough

drops? It was not about the flavor! Excellent cough suppressant

also. Genus name for Jamaican dogwood is pisidia, indicating it's

use for stunning fish in streams. Again quite safe in lower doses.

NON OF THE ABOVE IS A PRESCRIPTION IN ANY WAY. I am merely

mentioning possible options. ALWAYS consult a qualified professional

(or amateur).

>

> but I am trying to take some Chinese licorice tea to relax the

gallbladder.

>

> While highly anti-inflammatory I don't know of licorice being

relaxing to smooth muscle. Careful about blood pressure also.

>

>

> One herbalist apparently simply recommended 2-3 garlic cloves,

crushed, with 2-3 tablespoons

> of olive oil for 10 days as a mild flush, and the person

apparently got rid of all her stones.

>

> I am really happy for this individual, but if it worked this

way all of the time, gallstones would be non existent in Italy.

>

>

> Don't know if she was eating normally during that period, or

what. Garlic apparently does

> dissolve stones on contact, within about 6 hours if contact is

maintained.

>

> Ingestion is one thing. The digestion, assimilation, and

transportation are another. Unfortunately we do not ingest garlic

(or anything else) and have it go to where we want it unencumbered.

I suppose we could inject garlic extract directly into the

gallbladder, but that is a bit to invasive for me.

>

> The problem is

> how to introduce it if the gallbladder is partially closed, bar

use of dogwood.

>

> Jamaican dogwood is only one option, any of the magnesium

compounds mentioned on this group also work well; just differently.

>

> And how about

> betaine-HCL (beetroot leaf) - would it have more chance of

getting in there than some of the

> other materials.

>

> The acid that seems to have the most effect with

liver/gallbladder is Malic (high in apples and other members of the

rose family, some with the genus, malvus)

>

>

> Anyway, it is clear that we need two agents:

> 1) One agent to open the gallbladder when it is contorted and

partially closed.

> 2) Another agent to get picked up in bile, something better

than bile salts.

>

> 1) Magnesium is so relaxing to smooth muscle it is the

treatment of choice for stopping premature labor (magnesium sulfate

(epsom salts) drip). And/or any of the herbal smooth muscle

relaxants.

>

> 2) The bile acids are actually excellent, hence the use of

them by the medical establishment to dissolve the stones (typical

treatment is months not days, or weeks). There is a plethora of

herbal agents (many mentioned on this group and in the archives) that

are also very effective. Again, if your aim is to dissolve we are

talking months. But you can be very effective. If the stones are

too large to pass freely through the ducts, one would be well advised

to work on dissolution to the point that they are small enough or you

run the risk of getting them stuck. Neither pleasant, nor conducive

to saving your gallbladder. If they are small enough to pass freely,

flushing them out through the many flushes available in the archives

and links is probably faster and easier.

> Again Max, you have obviously done your homework, and are

headed for success, my only caution is that there may not be much

dissolution over a one week period of time. If the stones are small

enough, this may not be a factor anyway. Good luck. -Dave

> Comments very welcome.

> Max

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