Re: Re: DAVE/claudia More on Curious findings??

January 15, 2005

Hi all,

Maybe someone who's an expert can clarify this,

But why no fecal matter in the worms?

These worms are living things.

Capable of sensing when an environment becomes

dangerous for them and not conducive for living.

Example when people consume certain spices like

jalapeno, ginger or cayenne pepper, they are able to

kill parasites and their eggs.

When full doses of natural medicines are given, they

are not given to induce diarrhea or defecation but

rather to stimulate the exit of these parasites.

As living things, upon realizing their environment has

become " Un-live-able " , they go for the nearest exit.

Fecal matter need not be present. This is my take on

the matter.

Also I live in L.A and am constantly dragged by

friends to Mexico, I flew to Guadalajara with some

friends deep in Mexico for two weeks, even while one

gril who's from China took precautionary measures with

food and drink, I did not.

I drank the water ate the food everything.

She got violently ill and had to fly back to the

states.

I didn't get sick and the explanation given to me was

that being from Haiti, I was exposed to some of these

things as a young child and developed immunity, that

immunity is life-long I'm sure there are certain

things too strong for my immune system to handle, just

thought this part was relevant.

Like I said before that picture from before is very

common among children in Haiti.

--- denise milfort <mllebondgirl007@...> wrote:

> To Dave and ,

> I have to say as Americans this is hard for the two

> of

> you to believe but I am from Haiti where parasites

> are

> extremely common.

> This has happened to children in my neighborhood in

> Haiti.

> They use a bucket and after the children have

> received

> natural medicines they pass full buckets of these

> types of worms.

> As a young child I had symptoms of these worms but

> never told my parents for fear of having a " medicine

> man " examine me and give me the medicines to pass

> these worms.

> I just put up with the uncomfortable symptoms until

> the symptoms went away. Because like both of you I

> thought it was disgusting and invasive.

>

> --- Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>

> wrote:

>

> > Boy, me too . Have heard these stories

> > several times and find it

> > hard when I see a picture like that with no fluid

> > what-so-ever to believe it

> > is fresh from the digestive tract. You would

> think

> > that there would be some

> > moisture of some kind, wouldn't you? Awfully

> > efficient little buggers being

> > so clean and all; not a glimpse of fecal matter

> > anywhere...? I know a few

> > colonic irrigationists that use ozone and they

> have

> > never seen anything even

> > close. Add that the individual is well fleshed

> but

> > these supposed worms

> > have scavenged ALL matter and I am beginning to

> > think we might be having the

> > worms pulled over our eyes.... -Dave

> > Dave

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " Meydrech, CN "

> > <journey2health@...>

> > <gallstones >

> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:32 PM

> > Subject: Re: Re: Curious findings??

> >

> > >

> > > > HI there,

> > > > Sounds like worms and parasites

> > > > Click on the link below and see if they look

> > > > familiar

> > > > http://curezone.com/image_gallery/para....

> > >

> > > Wow, that picture borders on obscene, and I find

> > it

> > > hard to believe it is a legitimate picture of

> > > parasites, disgusting, yuk! I don't think I'll

> > look in

> > > the future.

> > >

> > > =====

> > > L. Meydrech, CN

> > > http://nutritionist.bravehost.com

> > >

> > > " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > >

January 16, 2005

Boy, have we opened up a can of worms or what?! First I have no objection

to the photo post at all except for the feeling in my stomach. My concern

is of the authenticity. I to have seen worm masses from dogs but in all

cases there is both mucus and some fecal matter (albeit very little). This

one particular photo shows no moisture what-so-ever, leaving me skeptical.

As I pointed out before the tissue tone of the individual (and skin texture)

is quite good and not indicative of a parasitical infestation. With that

kind of infestation there would almost surely be wasting of the individual

from lack of calories and the absorption of metabolic waste from the

parasites. The mass of worms is also not only separated but they appear

quite stiff and arching, again bringing the photo into question (now I could

accept that the parasites were cleaned (and dried) and reintroduced into the

frame but this would constitute literal " grotesque " and unnecessary forgery

in my book).

The removal of parasites is achieved by two means; Either through the

administration of a toxin thereby killing them; or by some type of

stuporific paralyzing their muscle structure so they cannot grip the

intestinal wall followed by a heavy cathartic to flush them out. In either

case peristaltic action is engaged either by the body or by the cathartic,

the emission of some of the fluid in the digestive tract being inevitable.

I have no issue with the other photos, parasitical infestations in

third world countries are extremely common, especially in the tropics. I

had a photo brought to me by a client (an MD) of a 33 foot tapeworm passed

by his Sherpa guide in Nepal in one piece! He explained to me that it is an

everyday part of life there and as such they have become quite adept at

their removal.

In my position I deal with weird parasitical infections from time to

time (almost always with someone who has traveled to South Asia, Africa,

Central America, etc.) and here in the US it is not the problem presented.

Again, I not only have no problem with the post, I welcome all that

will stimulate discussion and ideas, but until someone is able to explain

why in the one photo the worms are not a limp, moist gelatinous mass I must

remain skeptical.

Dave

January 16, 2005

Worms do their harm at odd times too.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010223.html

January 16, 2005

Thanks Dale,

As always another fascinating link. Where do you get the time to find

all this stuff? Ever since we started this discussion I have been feeling

things crawling in all sorts of areas of my body! While I purport the

problem of parasites to not be as great as some marketers of wormwood, black

walnut hull, and clove, would leave us to believe; I would be remiss not to

mention a study done in upstate New York about ten years ago. It was a

large study of a dozen hospitals. They examined all admissions who would

volunteer no matter what they were admitted for. Their object was to

determine the actual percentage of parasitical infections in the population.

75% of those examined had some type of parasitical infection! Please keep

in mind the definition of a parasite; We are not talking about just things

long and wiggly, or visible to the naked eye for that matter. Personally I

consider things like candida to be parasitical (doubt the medical

establishment does).

What does this have to do with a gallbladder group? While here in the

US pure bilirubin stones are almost unheard of, in other parts of the world

(Asia for instance) they are quite common due to the prevalence of liver

parasites.