Re: Best Gall Bladder info yet

[Guest guest]

OK, my take on the site: They use the tired argument that there is

no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of flushing or for many

of the herbs people have used for hundreds of years for gall bladder

issues (the insinuation is that nothing can be assumed to work until

the modern scientific community says so). They propagate a popular

myth that gallstones are white with their supposed picture of gall

stones which look like a bunch of eggs(which would mean calcified

and rock hard). Actually many gallstones are not white, are very

soft, are many colors, and made of many different things. The site

just happens to offer an easy way out rather than gall bladder

flushing that they will be glad to share with you for $20 in their

ebook.

Oh well, I was hoping for the much sought after summary of ways to

prevent, reduce, and eliminate gallstones through diet and other

protocols (without flushing). There's lots of information at

various places regarding this, but a good summary would be nice.

The site turned me off by being untrustworthy with the information

they had, so now I don't trust the information that they offer that

would cost me $20... I'll keep looking.

Vince

--- In gallstones , " sambo1011 " <sambo1011@y...>

wrote:

>

>

> Hello, I don't mean to step on any toes about a preferred method

for

> gallstone relief, but there is a better way than painful olive oil

> flushing or surgery. I will try to be plain. The best information

I

> have found yet about dissolving Gall Stones can be found at

> http://www.naturalhealthlibrarian.org/index2.asp?

> Story=book_gallbladder.htm . One of the keys is to improve bile

> flow and thus keep the bile thin enough to prevent stone

formation.

> In one animal experiment, 71 percent of rodents fed cholesterol

> developed gallstones. When bile production was reduced the number

of

> animals that developed gallstones rose from 71 to 100 percent. But

> when these same animals Bile level was boosted the formation of

> cholesterol gallstones dropped to zero! [Life Science 74: 1889-98,

> 2004]. In a study conducted in 1988, Canadian researchers reported

> that substances added to the drinking water of guinea pigs

increases

> the production of chenodeoxycholic acid by a whopping 70 percent!

> [Pediatric Research 24: 34-37, 1988] Chenodeoxycholic acid is a

drug

> prescribed by doctors for gallstones. Why don't the doctors help

us

> increase our production naturally rather than prescribe us drugs?

> Rhetorical question. There are a whole lot more studies at the

URL

> given above.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sambo

I appreciate the site you sent us, I'm always glad to see more and more

options to surgery for every problem. However, this is a commercial site, an

infomercial really. There is no freely available information, it's all available

if

you buy the products or books.

While this is not totally bad, it does make me a bit suspicious. Are you

affiliated with the site? Did you get cured by the products? If so, how do you

know that? A certain amount of automatic skepticism has settled upon me.

Here are the basic problems I have with the site upon first glance..

1) You say there " are a whole lot more studies on the URL " Maybe that's true

but I couldn't find any.

2) Your post lists a mouse study but it sounds pretty limited in scope and I'd

have to see the whole thing to understand if you are implying that this is

directly applicable to humans. Additionally, you say thin bile " prevents stone

formation " . Obviously, this is different than dissolving. Do they make

dissolving claims too?

3) You bring up the 1988 guinea pig study with chenodeoxycholic acid,

where did you learn of this study? You suggest that there are diets or

changes that increase chenodeoxycholic acid, is that in the study or is it a

drug? Is this study directly applicable to humans?

4) You recommend the techniques on this site as " a better way " than flushing

and yet you do not tell us how you know this. I'm wondering if you have used

these products and, if so, what were your results?

So what's " the rest of the story " ?

Will, another " self-styled guru " in Minneapolis

[Guest guest]

Hi Vince,

I think the book picture is more a symbolic thing, I'm not sure I

would want to see actual gallstone on a book cover.

I found that site through the health site askbillsardi.com. A free

site. Looks like some of the reports have been move over to

naturalhealthlibrarian.org.

A friend, actual friend, was supposed to have surgery to have her gall

bladder removed. Not like that something special, they say that to

everyone who has pain. She (in her 20s) was a little heavy and trying

to loose weight. She used the supplement regiment in the book, and she

is fine now, without doing the whole flushing bit. I (older) have been

using some of the supplements as preventive, with success.

There are some ratings of some gallbladder designed supplements in the

book, but I haven't tried them. You can get them separately anyway at

health food store. There is diet information, some of which is around

on the net. It is organized in this book, but I am a little more

realistic though, my diet stinks and I not really going to change my

habits until I am keeling over. I like the supplements regiment. That

I can do. (Well… when I remember). That was the most unique part of

the book, the supplement list, never seen that before.

Not sure what you meant by " being untrustworthy with the information

they had "

But hey, whatever works.

> >

> >

> > Hello, I don't mean to step on any toes about a preferred method

> for

> > gallstone relief, but there is a better way than painful olive oil

> > flushing or surgery. I will try to be plain. The best information

> I

> > have found yet about dissolving Gall Stones can be found at

> > http://www.naturalhealthlibrarian.org/index2.asp?

> > Story=book_gallbladder.htm . One of the keys is to improve bile

> > flow and thus keep the bile thin enough to prevent stone

> formation.

> > In one animal experiment, 71 percent of rodents fed cholesterol

> > developed gallstones. When bile production was reduced the number

> of

> > animals that developed gallstones rose from 71 to 100 percent. But

> > when these same animals Bile level was boosted the formation of

> > cholesterol gallstones dropped to zero! [Life Science 74: 1889-98,

> > 2004]. In a study conducted in 1988, Canadian researchers reported

> > that substances added to the drinking water of guinea pigs

> increases

> > the production of chenodeoxycholic acid by a whopping 70 percent!

> > [Pediatric Research 24: 34-37, 1988] Chenodeoxycholic acid is a

> drug

> > prescribed by doctors for gallstones. Why don't the doctors help

> us

> > increase our production naturally rather than prescribe us drugs?

> > Rhetorical question. There are a whole lot more studies at the

> URL

> > given above.

[Guest guest]

Hey Will,

I kind of babbled my story in the previous email response so you can

see it there. In response to your questions.

1) I guess url isn't accurate anymore, I think they were on

askbillsardi.com, but I am mostly thinking sources in the book.

2) I posted the source for the mouse study. I haven't read the actual

study myself, just from the book. He gives a lot of references. He

explains what supplements to take to dissolve the stones.

3) It was in the book, I gave the source.

4) See other email response

It turn my friend around and it is working for me.

>

> Dear Sambo

>

> I appreciate the site you sent us, I'm always glad to see more and more

> options to surgery for every problem. However, this is a commercial

site, an

> infomercial really. There is no freely available information, it's

all available if

> you buy the products or books.

>

> While this is not totally bad, it does make me a bit suspicious. Are

you

> affiliated with the site? Did you get cured by the products? If so,

how do you

> know that? A certain amount of automatic skepticism has settled

upon me.

> Here are the basic problems I have with the site upon first glance..

>

> 1) You say there " are a whole lot more studies on the URL " Maybe

that's true

> but I couldn't find any.

>

> 2) Your post lists a mouse study but it sounds pretty limited in

scope and I'd

> have to see the whole thing to understand if you are implying that

this is

> directly applicable to humans. Additionally, you say thin bile "

prevents stone

> formation " . Obviously, this is different than dissolving. Do they make

> dissolving claims too?

>

> 3) You bring up the 1988 guinea pig study with chenodeoxycholic acid,

> where did you learn of this study? You suggest that there are diets or

> changes that increase chenodeoxycholic acid, is that in the study or

is it a

> drug? Is this study directly applicable to humans?

>

> 4) You recommend the techniques on this site as " a better way " than

flushing

> and yet you do not tell us how you know this. I'm wondering if you

have used

> these products and, if so, what were your results?

>

> So what's " the rest of the story " ?

>

> Will, another " self-styled guru " in Minneapolis

[Guest guest]

nice to hear about the good news, can you just share those interesting info you

got from the book, everyone is interested to know about it. thanks a lot.

>sambo1011 <sambo1011@...> wrote:

>Hello, I don't mean to step on any toes about a preferred method for

>gallstone relief, but there is a better way than painful olive oil

>flushing or surgery. I will try to be plain. The best information I

>have found yet about dissolving Gall Stones can be found at ...........