CARCINOGENIC CHINESE HERBS

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Michele

Could you please share with us, exactly where you are now with the bladder

tumor.

When did this occur, and what has happened since?

Best

Max

----- Original Message -----

From: michele broadbent

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:20 AM

Subject: Re: Digest Number 2233

Just my own experience- I saw a chinese herbalist for a year for a heat

imbalance. He called it a clogged thoroughfare vessel.. I drank his tea three

times a day for months. One day I was on the internet reading about some of the

herbs I was drinking, as they were extremely bitter and nasty. One site

mentioned that several of them can cause bladder cancer. I Had cystoscopy

done and sure enough, I had a very tiny bladder tumor starting to grow. I have

since become good friends with a girl in china, whose mother is a physician.

She has said she would never trust chinese herbs. I no longer go that route.

I have always said there is always more than one way to get to where you want to

go. Michele

There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. How many current members of this group?

From: " Anne Devereaux "

2. Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

From: " max "

3. Re: How many current members of this group?

From: mike taylor

4. Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

From: " Dave Shelden "

5. Kefir instead of Yogurt?

From: " Neysa Dormish "

6. Re: Kefir instead of Yogurt?

From: " Lori "

7. Re: Chinese herbs for gallbladder polyps

From: lloyd " gebaña "

8. Re: Re: Chinese herbs for gallbladder polyps

From: " Lori "

9. Re: Re: Chinese herbs for gallbladder polyps

From: " max "

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Message: 1

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:22:06 +0100

From: " Anne Devereaux "

Subject: How many current members of this group?

Regularly take a very good probiotic?

I believe and there are huge amounts of info if you search on a search

engine...that if the centre of our universe in our physical bodies...(

colon) in chinese tan tien energy centre.....is full of the wrong

bacteria...

than most or many forms of healing -cleansing-fasting etc will be no where

near as effective...

I have given this some thought and am amazed at even some of the best books

on cleansing do not put much if any emphasis on this most important area of

the body.

A clean colon...with the correct balance of good microbes is of paramount

importance to our overall health.

ANNE Uk

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Message: 2

Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:53:58 +0900

From: " max "

Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

Dave

I saw the Chinese herbalist today. I will be posting to other groups about

what she said.

She made up a Chinese formula for me to heal the gallbladder, and improve the

heart and prostrate

because, she says, I also have problems with those organs (I did have

congestive prostatitis).

As for the stones. She does not want to flush any of the stones, she wants to

dissolve

them completely. And she does not want me to take any other supplements or

herbs

apart from her mixture, as she says it will be detrimental. For example, Bill

Sardi recommends

taking his Gallbladder Support Formula 5 times a day for chronic gallbladder

problems,

and he also mentioned just now that milk thistle - in megadoses - retards

scarring of

the bile duct. Bill Sardi's supplements and advice are all based on scientific

studies and

not his opinions. Therefore it is very attractive to take these supplements,

especially

the milk thistle, for example, but I have been told to hold back, and take

only the Chinese

herbs. I am in a quandary about whether to hold back on the others or not.

Secondly, she told me that my gallbladder problem is due to excess heat in the

gallbladder which has caused the water to leave the organ, which is directly

responsible

for the crystallization into stones. Moreover, she says the reason for this

excess heat is

none other than some kind of radiation from my computer screen. She says that

even

TFT screens, and even laptops, are emitting some kind of heat waves which are

responsible for these health problems. She could be right. My cousin, who was

a

computer programmer, died from some leukemia-related illness suddenly in his

30's.

A friend of a close friend, another computer programmer, died of colon cancer

last year.

Both of them worked in offices with hundreds of computers around. Gallbladder

disease

is very common in North India which has a flourishing computer industry, but

is non-

existent in South India. Dr. Henry Lai has established that cell phones are a

direct

cause of brain tumors. Two Swiss researchers have established that the use of

microwave

ovens is causing a surge in cancer deaths (they went to jail for attempting to

publish their

scientific data). I can only suggest that we use a filter on the computer

screen, but I

suspect that the circuitry under the keyboard, and the EM radiation it emits,

is to blame

here. I am not sure how to combat it. My sister advises placing living plants

nearby to

absorb the radiation.

In any case, my immediate problem therefore is hydration. Maybe we could

assist

re-hydration by taking hyaluronic acid. Loss of this substance caused me to

suffer

vitreous detachments in both eyes, generating tons of floaters, and a retinal

detachment

in one eye which was repaired by surgery. Of course, the doctors blame the

vitreous

for this, not the fact that the vitreous lost HA and water, and could no

longer do its

job of protecting the retina (which is a huge lie on the part of the

opthalmlogy profession).

Finally, as to the olive oil and garlic flush to get rid of gallstones, you

may note that there is

no gallbladder disease in the Mediterranean either. But I won't be doing a

flush until

the stones are smaller or dissolved.

I look forward to your comments. Sorry for the long post.

Very best, Max.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

See below again.

----- Original Message -----

From: max

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:05 AM

Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents

Dave

Are you a herbalist?

Yes.

There is a commercial apricot kernel oil out there to use in salad dressings,

how would that do especially if mixed with olive oil?

The oil, while a fantastic cold pressed oil for your liver, gallbladder and

taste buds (not to mention hormones, brain, etc.) does not contain the amygdalin

(laetrile) and therefore is not relaxing to smooth muscle. In terms of your

salad dressing; delicious and healthy in many ways.

Dogwood and cherry bark look rather dangerous,

The cherry bark contains the same cyanic glycoside. These compounds are also

classified as cardiac glycosides and increase the strength of the beat while

relaxing the heart (long story). Quite safe in small quantities (2-4 " 00 " caps).

The really nice thing is it takes small quantities to get the job done because

it is a powerful herb. In large quantities can be too relaxing to the heart.

Anecdotally; does anyone remember Luden's wild cherry cough drops? It was not

about the flavor! Excellent cough suppressant also. Genus name for Jamaican

dogwood is pisidia, indicating it's use for stunning fish in streams. Again

quite safe in lower doses. NON OF THE ABOVE IS A PRESCRIPTION IN ANY WAY. I am

merely mentioning possible options. ALWAYS consult a qualified professional (or

amateur).

but I am trying to take some Chinese licorice tea to relax the gallbladder.

While highly anti-inflammatory I don't know of licorice being relaxing to

smooth muscle. Careful about blood pressure also.

One herbalist apparently simply recommended 2-3 garlic cloves, crushed, with

2-3 tablespoons

of olive oil for 10 days as a mild flush, and the person apparently got rid of

all her stones.

I am really happy for this individual, but if it worked this way all of the

time, gallstones would be non existent in Italy.

Don't know if she was eating normally during that period, or what. Garlic

apparently does

dissolve stones on contact, within about 6 hours if contact is maintained.

Ingestion is one thing. The digestion, assimilation, and transportation are

another. Unfortunately we do not ingest garlic (or anything else) and have it go

to where we want it unencumbered. I suppose we could inject garlic extract

directly into the gallbladder, but that is a bit to invasive for me.

The problem is

how to introduce it if the gallbladder is partially closed, bar use of

dogwood.

Jamaican dogwood is only one option, any of the magnesium compounds mentioned

on this group also work well; just differently.

And how about

betaine-HCL (beetroot leaf) - would it have more chance of getting in there

than some of the

other materials.

The acid that seems to have the most effect with liver/gallbladder is Malic

(high in apples and other members of the rose family, some with the genus,

malvus)

Anyway, it is clear that we need two agents:

1) One agent to open the gallbladder when it is contorted and partially

closed.

2) Another agent to get picked up in bile, something better than bile salts.

1) Magnesium is so relaxing to smooth muscle it is the treatment of choice for

stopping premature labor (magnesium sulfate (epsom salts) drip). And/or any of

the herbal smooth muscle relaxants.

2) The bile acids are actually excellent, hence the use of them by the medical

establishment to dissolve the stones (typical treatment is months not days, or

weeks). There is a plethora of herbal agents (many mentioned on this group and

in the archives) that are also very effective. Again, if your aim is to dissolve

we are talking months. But you can be very effective. If the stones are too

large to pass freely through the ducts, one would be well advised to work on

dissolution to the point that they are small enough or you run the risk of

getting them stuck. Neither pleasant, nor conducive to saving your gallbladder.

If they are small enough to pass freely, flushing them out through the many

flushes available in the archives and links is probably faster and easier.

Again Max, you have obviously done your homework, and are headed for success,

my only caution is that there may not be much dissolution over a one week period

of time. If the stones are small enough, this may not be a factor anyway. Good

luck. -Dave

Comments very welcome.

Max