Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 yes Max I do---between my thyroid group--stock group and general reading. I have been cutting back though!!! and I am trying everything to stay healthy!!!!!!!! http://www.ctds.info/holistic_doctors.html a site I just found---for my thyroid people > > Dave > > I saw the Chinese herbalist today. I will be posting to other > groups about what she said. > > She made up a Chinese formula for me to heal the gallbladder, and > improve the heart and prostrate > > because, she says, I also have problems with those organs (I did > have congestive prostatitis). > > As for the stones. She does not want to flush any of the stones, > she wants to dissolve > > them completely. And she does not want me to take any other > supplements or herbs > > apart from her mixture, as she says it will be detrimental. For > example, Bill Sardi recommends > > taking his Gallbladder Support Formula 5 times a day for chronic > gallbladder problems, > > and he also mentioned just now that milk thistle - in megadoses - > retards scarring of > > the bile duct. Bill Sardi's supplements and advice are all based > on scientific studies and > > not his opinions. Therefore it is very attractive to take these > supplements, especially > > the milk thistle, for example, but I have been told to hold back, > and take only the Chinese > > herbs. I am in a quandary about whether to hold back on the others > or not. > > Secondly, she told me that my gallbladder problem is due to excess > heat in the > > gallbladder which has caused the water to leave the organ, which is > directly responsible > > for the crystallization into stones. Moreover, she says the > reason for this excess heat is > > none other than some kind of radiation from my computer screen. > She says that even > > TFT screens, and even laptops, are emitting some kind of heat waves > which are > > responsible for these health problems. She could be right. My > cousin, who was a > > computer programmer, died from some leukemia-related illness > suddenly in his 30's. > > A friend of a close friend, another computer programmer, died of > colon cancer last year. > > Both of them worked in offices with hundreds of computers around. > Gallbladder disease > > is very common in North India which has a flourishing computer > industry, but is non- > > existent in South India. Dr. Henry Lai has established that cell > phones are a direct > > cause of brain tumors. Two Swiss researchers have established that > the use of microwave > > ovens is causing a surge in cancer deaths (they went to jail for > attempting to publish their > > scientific data). I can only suggest that we use a filter on the > computer screen, but I > > suspect that the circuitry under the keyboard, and the EM radiation > it emits, is to blame > > here. I am not sure how to combat it. My sister advises placing > living plants nearby to > > absorb the radiation. > > In any case, my immediate problem therefore is hydration. Maybe we > could assist > > re-hydration by taking hyaluronic acid. Loss of this substance > caused me to suffer > > vitreous detachments in both eyes, generating tons of floaters, and > a retinal detachment > > in one eye which was repaired by surgery. Of course, the doctors > blame the vitreous > > for this, not the fact that the vitreous lost HA and water, and > could no longer do its > > job of protecting the retina (which is a huge lie on the part of > the opthalmlogy profession). > > Finally, as to the olive oil and garlic flush to get rid of > gallstones, you may note that there is > > no gallbladder disease in the Mediterranean either. But I won't be > doing a flush until > > the stones are smaller or dissolved. > > I look forward to your comments. Sorry for the long post. > > Very best, Max. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dave Shelden > > gallstones > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:09 PM > > Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents > > > > > > See below again. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: max<mailto:max@k...> > > To: > gallstones <mailto:gallstones > > > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:05 AM > > Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of > agents > > > > > > Dave > > Are you a herbalist? > > > > Yes. > > > > There is a commercial apricot kernel oil out there to use in > salad dressings, > > how would that do especially if mixed with olive oil? > > > > The oil, while a fantastic cold pressed oil for your liver, > gallbladder and taste buds (not to mention hormones, brain, etc.) > does not contain the amygdalin (laetrile) and therefore is not > relaxing to smooth muscle. In terms of your salad dressing; delicious > and healthy in many ways. > > > > Dogwood and cherry bark look rather dangerous, > > The cherry bark contains the same cyanic glycoside. These > compounds are also classified as cardiac glycosides and increase the > strength of the beat while relaxing the heart (long story). Quite > safe in small quantities (2-4 " 00 " caps). The really nice thing is > it takes small quantities to get the job done because it is a > powerful herb. In large quantities can be too relaxing to the > heart. Anecdotally; does anyone remember Luden's wild cherry cough > drops? It was not about the flavor! Excellent cough suppressant > also. Genus name for Jamaican dogwood is pisidia, indicating it's > use for stunning fish in streams. Again quite safe in lower doses. > NON OF THE ABOVE IS A PRESCRIPTION IN ANY WAY. I am merely > mentioning possible options. ALWAYS consult a qualified professional > (or amateur). > > > > but I am trying to take some Chinese licorice tea to relax the > gallbladder. > > > > While highly anti-inflammatory I don't know of licorice being > relaxing to smooth muscle. Careful about blood pressure also. > > > > > > One herbalist apparently simply recommended 2-3 garlic cloves, > crushed, with 2-3 tablespoons > > of olive oil for 10 days as a mild flush, and the person > apparently got rid of all her stones. > > > > I am really happy for this individual, but if it worked this > way all of the time, gallstones would be non existent in Italy. > > > > > > Don't know if she was eating normally during that period, or > what. Garlic apparently does > > dissolve stones on contact, within about 6 hours if contact is > maintained. > > > > Ingestion is one thing. The digestion, assimilation, and > transportation are another. Unfortunately we do not ingest garlic > (or anything else) and have it go to where we want it unencumbered. > I suppose we could inject garlic extract directly into the > gallbladder, but that is a bit to invasive for me. > > > > The problem is > > how to introduce it if the gallbladder is partially closed, bar > use of dogwood. > > > > Jamaican dogwood is only one option, any of the magnesium > compounds mentioned on this group also work well; just differently. > > > > And how about > > betaine-HCL (beetroot leaf) - would it have more chance of > getting in there than some of the > > other materials. > > > > The acid that seems to have the most effect with > liver/gallbladder is Malic (high in apples and other members of the > rose family, some with the genus, malvus) > > > > > > Anyway, it is clear that we need two agents: > > 1) One agent to open the gallbladder when it is contorted and > partially closed. > > 2) Another agent to get picked up in bile, something better > than bile salts. > > > > 1) Magnesium is so relaxing to smooth muscle it is the > treatment of choice for stopping premature labor (magnesium sulfate > (epsom salts) drip). And/or any of the herbal smooth muscle > relaxants. > > > > 2) The bile acids are actually excellent, hence the use of > them by the medical establishment to dissolve the stones (typical > treatment is months not days, or weeks). There is a plethora of > herbal agents (many mentioned on this group and in the archives) that > are also very effective. Again, if your aim is to dissolve we are > talking months. But you can be very effective. If the stones are > too large to pass freely through the ducts, one would be well advised > to work on dissolution to the point that they are small enough or you > run the risk of getting them stuck. Neither pleasant, nor conducive > to saving your gallbladder. If they are small enough to pass freely, > flushing them out through the many flushes available in the archives > and links is probably faster and easier. > > Again Max, you have obviously done your homework, and are > headed for success, my only caution is that there may not be much > dissolution over a one week period of time. If the stones are small > enough, this may not be a factor anyway. Good luck. -Dave > > Comments very welcome. > > Max > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Hi group My Chinese herbalist told me that my excessive use of computers over the last 20 years and cumulative doses of Electromagnetic Radiation (EMF) from them are the direct cause of my gallstones. According to her, absorption of these high-frequency microwaves has overheated the gallbladder, causing the water in the stored bile to leave and allowing the bile to crystallize. I also suffered from floaters (vitreous detachments) in both eyes and retinal detachment in one eye about 4 years ago, requiring an operation to save my sight. I believe the EMF from the computers may have also caused the vitreous body of the eye to lose its water component, and when this occurs, the vitreous collapses so that the superfine collagen microfibrils running through it, which are normally too fine to be visible to us, coalesce into large clumps which are visible (floaters). The loss of water from the vitreous body causes it to shrink so that it pulls on the retina and causes retinal detachment (blindness). Tina, do you spend a lot of time on the computer? Max ----- Original Message ----- From: tina83862 gallstones Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents I too have noticed more floaters in my one eye and was wondering why when all my blood work was great---and then the gallbladder problems started 6 months later --knew there had to be a reason but it just was not showing up in any blood work-- YET -- Now liver levels at 40 and it was 15 (sgpt and sgot or ast and alt)---lipid profile was 2.9--low all the way around. so I could not figure out how I have gallstones problems--yes some weight gain---but I think mine is due more to not digesting correctly- - need more acid I think. I just finished my second flush--much more successful this time around--and I modified it to work for me (used more grapefruit less lemon) and drank epsom salts with cranberry juice so I could get that down as well and extra light virgin olive oil--so I could keep that down too. I will get new blood work in Sept to compare results. My only other thought is that my alk phosphatase is at 46 considered low and that is usually a sign of hypothyroid but those numbers are pretty good---could be a bit better. So why is the floaters happening if the liver was in good health?--- and garlic and onions I eat everyday---Very Italian!!!!! so I don't understand---tina -- In gallstones , " max " <max@k...> wrote: > Dave > I saw the Chinese herbalist today. I will be posting to other groups about what she said. > She made up a Chinese formula for me to heal the gallbladder, and improve the heart and prostrate > because, she says, I also have problems with those organs (I did have congestive prostatitis). > As for the stones. She does not want to flush any of the stones, she wants to dissolve > them completely. And she does not want me to take any other supplements or herbs > apart from her mixture, as she says it will be detrimental. For example, Bill Sardi recommends > taking his Gallbladder Support Formula 5 times a day for chronic gallbladder problems, > and he also mentioned just now that milk thistle - in megadoses - retards scarring of > the bile duct. Bill Sardi's supplements and advice are all based on scientific studies and > not his opinions. Therefore it is very attractive to take these supplements, especially > the milk thistle, for example, but I have been told to hold back, and take only the Chinese > herbs. I am in a quandary about whether to hold back on the others or not. > Secondly, she told me that my gallbladder problem is due to excess heat in the > gallbladder which has caused the water to leave the organ, which is directly responsible > for the crystallization into stones. Moreover, she says the reason for this excess heat is > none other than some kind of radiation from my computer screen. She says that even > TFT screens, and even laptops, are emitting some kind of heat waves which are > responsible for these health problems. She could be right. My cousin, who was a > computer programmer, died from some leukemia-related illness suddenly in his 30's. > A friend of a close friend, another computer programmer, died of colon cancer last year. > Both of them worked in offices with hundreds of computers around. Gallbladder disease > is very common in North India which has a flourishing computer industry, but is non- > existent in South India. Dr. Henry Lai has established that cell phones are a direct > cause of brain tumors. Two Swiss researchers have established that the use of microwave > ovens is causing a surge in cancer deaths (they went to jail for attempting to publish their > scientific data). I can only suggest that we use a filter on the computer screen, but I > suspect that the circuitry under the keyboard, and the EM radiation it emits, is to blame > here. I am not sure how to combat it. My sister advises placing living plants nearby to > absorb the radiation. > In any case, my immediate problem therefore is hydration. Maybe we could assist > re-hydration by taking hyaluronic acid. Loss of this substance caused me to suffer > vitreous detachments in both eyes, generating tons of floaters, and a retinal detachment > in one eye which was repaired by surgery. Of course, the doctors blame the vitreous > for this, not the fact that the vitreous lost HA and water, and could no longer do its > job of protecting the retina (which is a huge lie on the part of the opthalmlogy profession). > Finally, as to the olive oil and garlic flush to get rid of gallstones, you may note that there is > no gallbladder disease in the Mediterranean either. But I won't be doing a flush until > the stones are smaller or dissolved. > I look forward to your comments. Sorry for the long post. > Very best, Max. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave Shelden > gallstones > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents > > > See below again. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: max<mailto:max@k...> > To: gallstones <mailto:gallstones > > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents > > > Dave > Are you a herbalist? > > Yes. > > There is a commercial apricot kernel oil out there to use in salad dressings, > how would that do especially if mixed with olive oil? > > The oil, while a fantastic cold pressed oil for your liver, gallbladder and taste buds (not to mention hormones, brain, etc.) does not contain the amygdalin (laetrile) and therefore is not relaxing to smooth muscle. In terms of your salad dressing; delicious and healthy in many ways. > > Dogwood and cherry bark look rather dangerous, > The cherry bark contains the same cyanic glycoside. These compounds are also classified as cardiac glycosides and increase the strength of the beat while relaxing the heart (long story). Quite safe in small quantities (2-4 " 00 " caps). The really nice thing is it takes small quantities to get the job done because it is a powerful herb. In large quantities can be too relaxing to the heart. Anecdotally; does anyone remember Luden's wild cherry cough drops? It was not about the flavor! Excellent cough suppressant also. Genus name for Jamaican dogwood is pisidia, indicating it's use for stunning fish in streams. Again quite safe in lower doses. NON OF THE ABOVE IS A PRESCRIPTION IN ANY WAY. I am merely mentioning possible options. ALWAYS consult a qualified professional (or amateur). > > but I am trying to take some Chinese licorice tea to relax the gallbladder. > > While highly anti-inflammatory I don't know of licorice being relaxing to smooth muscle. Careful about blood pressure also. > > > One herbalist apparently simply recommended 2-3 garlic cloves, crushed, with 2-3 tablespoons > of olive oil for 10 days as a mild flush, and the person apparently got rid of all her stones. > > I am really happy for this individual, but if it worked this way all of the time, gallstones would be non existent in Italy. > > > Don't know if she was eating normally during that period, or what. Garlic apparently does > dissolve stones on contact, within about 6 hours if contact is maintained. > > Ingestion is one thing. The digestion, assimilation, and transportation are another. Unfortunately we do not ingest garlic (or anything else) and have it go to where we want it unencumbered. I suppose we could inject garlic extract directly into the gallbladder, but that is a bit to invasive for me. > > The problem is > how to introduce it if the gallbladder is partially closed, bar use of dogwood. > > Jamaican dogwood is only one option, any of the magnesium compounds mentioned on this group also work well; just differently. > > And how about > betaine-HCL (beetroot leaf) - would it have more chance of getting in there than some of the > other materials. > > The acid that seems to have the most effect with liver/gallbladder is Malic (high in apples and other members of the rose family, some with the genus, malvus) > > > Anyway, it is clear that we need two agents: > 1) One agent to open the gallbladder when it is contorted and partially closed. > 2) Another agent to get picked up in bile, something better than bile salts. > > 1) Magnesium is so relaxing to smooth muscle it is the treatment of choice for stopping premature labor (magnesium sulfate (epsom salts) drip). And/or any of the herbal smooth muscle relaxants. > > 2) The bile acids are actually excellent, hence the use of them by the medical establishment to dissolve the stones (typical treatment is months not days, or weeks). There is a plethora of herbal agents (many mentioned on this group and in the archives) that are also very effective. Again, if your aim is to dissolve we are talking months. But you can be very effective. If the stones are too large to pass freely through the ducts, one would be well advised to work on dissolution to the point that they are small enough or you run the risk of getting them stuck. Neither pleasant, nor conducive to saving your gallbladder. If they are small enough to pass freely, flushing them out through the many flushes available in the archives and links is probably faster and easier. > Again Max, you have obviously done your homework, and are headed for success, my only caution is that there may not be much dissolution over a one week period of time. If the stones are small enough, this may not be a factor anyway. Good luck. -Dave > Comments very welcome. > Max > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Well, Tina, I would even be surprised if anybody here does not use computers excessively! ----- Original Message ----- From: tina83862 gallstones Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: Re: EMF FROM COMPUTERS CAUSING LOCAL OVERHEATING OF ORGANS yes Max I do---between my thyroid group--stock group and general reading. I have been cutting back though!!! and I am trying everything to stay healthy!!!!!!!! http://www.ctds.info/holistic_doctors.html a site I just found---for my thyroid people > > Dave > > I saw the Chinese herbalist today. I will be posting to other > groups about what she said. > > She made up a Chinese formula for me to heal the gallbladder, and > improve the heart and prostrate > > because, she says, I also have problems with those organs (I did > have congestive prostatitis). > > As for the stones. She does not want to flush any of the stones, > she wants to dissolve > > them completely. And she does not want me to take any other > supplements or herbs > > apart from her mixture, as she says it will be detrimental. For > example, Bill Sardi recommends > > taking his Gallbladder Support Formula 5 times a day for chronic > gallbladder problems, > > and he also mentioned just now that milk thistle - in megadoses - > retards scarring of > > the bile duct. Bill Sardi's supplements and advice are all based > on scientific studies and > > not his opinions. Therefore it is very attractive to take these > supplements, especially > > the milk thistle, for example, but I have been told to hold back, > and take only the Chinese > > herbs. I am in a quandary about whether to hold back on the others > or not. > > Secondly, she told me that my gallbladder problem is due to excess > heat in the > > gallbladder which has caused the water to leave the organ, which is > directly responsible > > for the crystallization into stones. Moreover, she says the > reason for this excess heat is > > none other than some kind of radiation from my computer screen. > She says that even > > TFT screens, and even laptops, are emitting some kind of heat waves > which are > > responsible for these health problems. She could be right. My > cousin, who was a > > computer programmer, died from some leukemia-related illness > suddenly in his 30's. > > A friend of a close friend, another computer programmer, died of > colon cancer last year. > > Both of them worked in offices with hundreds of computers around. > Gallbladder disease > > is very common in North India which has a flourishing computer > industry, but is non- > > existent in South India. Dr. Henry Lai has established that cell > phones are a direct > > cause of brain tumors. Two Swiss researchers have established that > the use of microwave > > ovens is causing a surge in cancer deaths (they went to jail for > attempting to publish their > > scientific data). I can only suggest that we use a filter on the > computer screen, but I > > suspect that the circuitry under the keyboard, and the EM radiation > it emits, is to blame > > here. I am not sure how to combat it. My sister advises placing > living plants nearby to > > absorb the radiation. > > In any case, my immediate problem therefore is hydration. Maybe we > could assist > > re-hydration by taking hyaluronic acid. Loss of this substance > caused me to suffer > > vitreous detachments in both eyes, generating tons of floaters, and > a retinal detachment > > in one eye which was repaired by surgery. Of course, the doctors > blame the vitreous > > for this, not the fact that the vitreous lost HA and water, and > could no longer do its > > job of protecting the retina (which is a huge lie on the part of > the opthalmlogy profession). > > Finally, as to the olive oil and garlic flush to get rid of > gallstones, you may note that there is > > no gallbladder disease in the Mediterranean either. But I won't be > doing a flush until > > the stones are smaller or dissolved. > > I look forward to your comments. Sorry for the long post. > > Very best, Max. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dave Shelden > > gallstones > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:09 PM > > Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of agents > > > > > > See below again. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: max<mailto:max@k...> > > To: > gallstones <mailto:gallstones > > > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:05 AM > > Subject: Re: Opening the GB to allow entry of > agents > > > > > > Dave > > Are you a herbalist? > > > > Yes. > > > > There is a commercial apricot kernel oil out there to use in > salad dressings, > > how would that do especially if mixed with olive oil? > > > > The oil, while a fantastic cold pressed oil for your liver, > gallbladder and taste buds (not to mention hormones, brain, etc.) > does not contain the amygdalin (laetrile) and therefore is not > relaxing to smooth muscle. In terms of your salad dressing; delicious > and healthy in many ways. > > > > Dogwood and cherry bark look rather dangerous, > > The cherry bark contains the same cyanic glycoside. These > compounds are also classified as cardiac glycosides and increase the > strength of the beat while relaxing the heart (long story). Quite > safe in small quantities (2-4 " 00 " caps). The really nice thing is > it takes small quantities to get the job done because it is a > powerful herb. In large quantities can be too relaxing to the > heart. Anecdotally; does anyone remember Luden's wild cherry cough > drops? It was not about the flavor! Excellent cough suppressant > also. Genus name for Jamaican dogwood is pisidia, indicating it's > use for stunning fish in streams. Again quite safe in lower doses. > NON OF THE ABOVE IS A PRESCRIPTION IN ANY WAY. I am merely > mentioning possible options. ALWAYS consult a qualified professional > (or amateur). > > > > but I am trying to take some Chinese licorice tea to relax the > gallbladder. > > > > While highly anti-inflammatory I don't know of licorice being > relaxing to smooth muscle. Careful about blood pressure also. > > > > > > One herbalist apparently simply recommended 2-3 garlic cloves, > crushed, with 2-3 tablespoons > > of olive oil for 10 days as a mild flush, and the person > apparently got rid of all her stones. > > > > I am really happy for this individual, but if it worked this > way all of the time, gallstones would be non existent in Italy. > > > > > > Don't know if she was eating normally during that period, or > what. Garlic apparently does > > dissolve stones on contact, within about 6 hours if contact is > maintained. > > > > Ingestion is one thing. The digestion, assimilation, and > transportation are another. Unfortunately we do not ingest garlic > (or anything else) and have it go to where we want it unencumbered. > I suppose we could inject garlic extract directly into the > gallbladder, but that is a bit to invasive for me. > > > > The problem is > > how to introduce it if the gallbladder is partially closed, bar > use of dogwood. > > > > Jamaican dogwood is only one option, any of the magnesium > compounds mentioned on this group also work well; just differently. > > > > And how about > > betaine-HCL (beetroot leaf) - would it have more chance of > getting in there than some of the > > other materials. > > > > The acid that seems to have the most effect with > liver/gallbladder is Malic (high in apples and other members of the > rose family, some with the genus, malvus) > > > > > > Anyway, it is clear that we need two agents: > > 1) One agent to open the gallbladder when it is contorted and > partially closed. > > 2) Another agent to get picked up in bile, something better > than bile salts. > > > > 1) Magnesium is so relaxing to smooth muscle it is the > treatment of choice for stopping premature labor (magnesium sulfate > (epsom salts) drip). And/or any of the herbal smooth muscle > relaxants. > > > > 2) The bile acids are actually excellent, hence the use of > them by the medical establishment to dissolve the stones (typical > treatment is months not days, or weeks). There is a plethora of > herbal agents (many mentioned on this group and in the archives) that > are also very effective. Again, if your aim is to dissolve we are > talking months. But you can be very effective. If the stones are > too large to pass freely through the ducts, one would be well advised > to work on dissolution to the point that they are small enough or you > run the risk of getting them stuck. Neither pleasant, nor conducive > to saving your gallbladder. If they are small enough to pass freely, > flushing them out through the many flushes available in the archives > and links is probably faster and easier. > > Again Max, you have obviously done your homework, and are > headed for success, my only caution is that there may not be much > dissolution over a one week period of time. If the stones are small > enough, this may not be a factor anyway. Good luck. -Dave > > Comments very welcome. > > Max > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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