Re: BOXING FOR TONING THE UPPER GI TRACT

August 14, 2005

Sounds like you not only have some time and options; but a fighting spirit too.

Think you might be really successful at this. Think about either apricot pit,

Jamaican dogwood (most powerful), or wild cherry bark to relax the smooth muscle

of the gallbladder and bile duct, as well as the obvious magnesium in whatever

form you choose. Malic acid and lecithin will be softening and emulsifying to

the stones too. Good luck, prove him wrong. Always, in all ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

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Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:45 PM

Subject: BOXING FOR TONING THE UPPER GI TRACT

Dave:

Yes, now he has changed his opinion. He now says it is not completely closed,

but since more material is getting in than going out, it will soon rupture and

lead to peritonitis. To avoid this " likelihood " , I must operate it, he says.

Actually, he seems to have failed to notice that when I had my gallbladder

attacks (so far about 10), the pain has always been centralized exactly at the

junction of the common bile duct with the small intestine. According

to another doctor, this shows that the pain, lasting a few hours with sweating

and malaise, has indeed come from stones attempting to pass into the small

intestine and getting stuck at the sphincter. So they have become " common bile

duct

stones " . It also shows that sufficient material is leaving the gallbladder in

direct contrast to what the first doctor said. The massively elevated liver

enzymes,including gamma-GTP at about 1000 (normal is 50-70), would certainly

seem to indicate some blockage of the common bile duct as well as the cystic

duct.

I found yesterday that punching a pillow with aggressive force was able to

relieve the mild pain I had very quickly. It is a fact that exercise prevents

gallstone problems, and I would imagine that exercise of the upper body,

as in boxing, is exactly the most beneficial kind for the upper GI tract

(whereas football would benefit the colon and lower GI tract). It would tend to

dislodge the stones and sludge, as well as toning up the whole biliary tree. So

I am

thinking of getting a PUNCH BAG to hit. Unless you want to be a professional

boxer, please don't hang the bag at eye level where it could rebound and hit

your head and eyes: tie it up so that it is at chest height. For the time

being, I am going to

suspend a soccer ball in a small net and hit that. How many boxers have

gallstones? And let's take a PET bottle filled with a solution of 1 tsp of

magnesium citrate in water or juice to the ring. I want a clean fight....

Yes, occasional dilation of the ducts with magnesium citrate would help to

keep them open so that existing sludge could drain more easily, and stones could

pass. In the meantime, we could work on all the stones remaining in the

gallbladder with natural substances proven to dissolve gallstones, maybe

combined with Actigall (ursodeoxycholic acid).

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:42 AM

Subject: Re: CLOSURE OF THE GALLBLADDER

We hear this type of diagnoses from some MDs all the time. If your gall

bladder was completely closed your liver would be swelling up like a baloon.

Human fois gras. How does the doc know the stones are sharp? The magnesium in

either epsom salts, magnesium citrate, magnesium malate, ect. may relax it

enough to open it up. Herbs such as apricot pit, or wild cherry bark might

relax it enough too. I personally would recommend a second opinion from another

MD and preferably one who is knowledgable about natural therapies. If your

gallbladder is truly closed you may have no other choice but to have it removed.

I just doubt the diagnosis (I may be wrong), it sounds more like a hysterical

explanation by an MD with a stuck paradigm (mabey as closed as your gallbladder

supposedly is) as to why he/she is right and why there are supposedly no other

options. Again if it is truly completely blocked, act fast. Always, in all

ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: silversblue3000<mailto:max@...>

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Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 6:31 AM

Subject: CLOSURE OF THE GALLBLADDER

Hi, I have been having serious GB attacks for the last 6 months

Ultrasound shows the GB is full of stones.

It's chronic cholecystitis and the doc says if they don't remove

the GB I'll die from peritonitis due to the sharp stones

in there cutting thru the wall.

Moreover, the GB is closed, so the stones can't get out and

dissolving agents can't get in to dissolve the stones.

It's " check-mate " at the moment.

Herbs such as dandelion which are normally great for gallstones

are contra-indicated in cases of gallbladder closure.

The key question for many of us is therefore:

what herbs can open the gallbladder?

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August 14, 2005

Yes Dave, I only got the problem after eating fats late at night.

Evidently, each time I did so a large stone may have been

expelled into the CBD by the gallbladder, and got lodged at

the sphincter. I note the attacks have been getting a little less

severe over the past year, it could indicate the stones are

getting smaller.

Apricot pits (laetrile?) are difficult to get and may contain

cyanide? I am going to take a " Gallbladder Support Formula "

5 times a day as part of an aggressive " dissolving " program

over 1 week. It contains quercetin, taurine, malic acid, choline, inositol

and IP6 rice bran extract, plus L-methionine. I also have

Fringe Tree Bark and Wild Yam tincture on hand. And I take

a Chinese custom-made mix morning and night. I have

magnesium citrate available but I will check out the Jamaican

dogwood and cherry bark.

Best

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:10 AM

Subject: Re: BOXING FOR TONING THE UPPER GI TRACT

Sounds like you not only have some time and options; but a fighting spirit

too. Think you might be really successful at this. Think about either apricot

pit, Jamaican dogwood (most powerful), or wild cherry bark to relax the smooth

muscle of the gallbladder and bile duct, as well as the obvious magnesium in

whatever form you choose. Malic acid and lecithin will be softening and

emulsifying to the stones too. Good luck, prove him wrong. Always, in all

ways, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:45 PM

Subject: BOXING FOR TONING THE UPPER GI TRACT

Dave:

Yes, now he has changed his opinion. He now says it is not completely

closed, but since more material is getting in than going out, it will soon

rupture and lead to peritonitis. To avoid this " likelihood " , I must operate

it, he says.

Actually, he seems to have failed to notice that when I had my gallbladder

attacks (so far about 10), the pain has always been centralized exactly at the

junction of the common bile duct with the small intestine. According

to another doctor, this shows that the pain, lasting a few hours with

sweating and malaise, has indeed come from stones attempting to pass into the

small intestine and getting stuck at the sphincter. So they have become " common

bile duct

stones " . It also shows that sufficient material is leaving the gallbladder

in direct contrast to what the first doctor said. The massively elevated liver

enzymes,including gamma-GTP at about 1000 (normal is 50-70), would certainly

seem to indicate some blockage of the common bile duct as well as the cystic

duct.

I found yesterday that punching a pillow with aggressive force was able to

relieve the mild pain I had very quickly. It is a fact that exercise prevents

gallstone problems, and I would imagine that exercise of the upper body,

as in boxing, is exactly the most beneficial kind for the upper GI tract

(whereas football would benefit the colon and lower GI tract). It would tend to

dislodge the stones and sludge, as well as toning up the whole biliary tree. So

I am

thinking of getting a PUNCH BAG to hit. Unless you want to be a

professional boxer, please don't hang the bag at eye level where it could

rebound and hit your head and eyes: tie it up so that it is at chest height.

For the time being, I am going to