Re: Dave/Tina wonderings

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Thanks Dave and true indeed.

When you say dry, that is an understatement.

Drinking water has been huge for me.

I also grew up on a diet of rice and beans on a daily

basis and I didn't drink much of anything growing up.

Some homemade lemonade and orange juice here and there

but that's it.

But I think everyone who has gallstones, not just us

" dry folks " should drink lots of water.

Some people have stopped attacks by just drinking

water.

It prevents them for me.

I can eat just about anything and if I drink lots of

water throughout the day...no attacks!

I'm still dry no matter how much water I drink

evidence by very dry stools. Except when I take

natural calm.

I pretty much drink olive oil.

I'm just now getting to the point where I don't have

to drench myself in extra virgin organic coconut oil

after my showers in order not to have flaky dry scaly

skin.

The other funny thing, my face remains slightly oily.

Taking magnesium from " natural calm " has helped with

the dry stools but I have to honestly say I'm not

consistent with that one.

I know I have a magnesium deficiency because when I

don't take natural calm my eye-twitches and muscle

twitches come back.

I also wonder if drinking 'distilled water' can lead

to dehydration even though many people recommend it.

Distilled water was the only water I drank for a

couple of years prior to developing gallstones and

this chronic dehydration. If anyone knows anything

about that one, please share.

I've also read that if you have gallstones in your

20's they're also different.

Do you know anything about that?

If so, can you elaborate?

Also

--- Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote:

> Fasting

> or " detox " may exacebate your conditions,

All I can say is Amen to that, my body does not

respond to shock.

I must work with it slowly, introducing one thing at a

time. Hence why I hate flushing, have only done 2,

The fasting until 2 p.m almost did me in. my body

responds better to having introduced more exercise,

drinking water and changing my diet from vegan to

normal.

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[Guest guest]

When I refer to dry I am talking in terms of constitution and tissues. Because

of your constitution it does not matter (as you said) how much water you drink,

you still have dry stool. Moistening means demucent, liquifying, tissue

building, nurturing foods and herbs (still foods!).

In Ayurveda your constitution is " Vata " . Vata is " ether " and " air " . Vata

is cold and dry (therefore, warm, moist treatment). We (me too) cannot stay

grounded. Our physical form would like to evaporate and disperse into the

cosmos (ether and air). We will tend towards mental and emotional disorders,

all dry conditions (dry skin, reduced secretions, osteo arthritis, osteoporosis,

dry constipation, brittle hair, nails, etc, add nauseum.) We are very

sensitive, so much so that we get wigged out by things others don't therefore

any hard treatment even if in the correct energetic direction is not so good.

We cannot get the hamsters in our head to get off the wheel. I am sure you get

the picture, you live it. The reason I mention this is so you have more

compassion for yourself, and when you ask yourself, " why do I behave or react

this way? " , you will be a bit kinder. More blabbing below.

----- Original Message -----

From: denise milfort<mailto:mllebondgirl007@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 8:09 AM

Subject: Re: Dave/Tina wonderings

Hello,

Thanks Dave and true indeed.

When you say dry, that is an understatement.

Drinking water has been huge for me.

I also grew up on a diet of rice and beans on a daily

basis and I didn't drink much of anything growing up.

Some homemade lemonade and orange juice here and there

but that's it.

But I think everyone who has gallstones, not just us

" dry folks " should drink lots of water.

-Absolutely

Some people have stopped attacks by just drinking

water.

It prevents them for me.

I can eat just about anything and if I drink lots of

water throughout the day...no attacks!

I'm still dry no matter how much water I drink

evidence by very dry stools. Except when I take

natural calm.

I pretty much drink olive oil.

I'm just now getting to the point where I don't have

to drench myself in extra virgin organic coconut oil

after my showers in order not to have flaky dry scaly

skin.

The other funny thing, my face remains slightly oily.

Taking magnesium from " natural calm " has helped with

the dry stools but I have to honestly say I'm not

consistent with that one.

-Magnesium is perfect for you. It brings fluid to the bowel, and is relaxing

to your over active nervous system.

I know I have a magnesium deficiency because when I

don't take natural calm my eye-twitches and muscle

twitches come back.

I also wonder if drinking 'distilled water' can lead

to dehydration even though many people recommend it.

Distilled water was the only water I drank for a

couple of years prior to developing gallstones and

this chronic dehydration. If anyone knows anything

about that one, please share.

-Distilled water will actually have a tendency to leach inorganic minerals out

of your body (a good thing) which is the main " toxicity " issue for your

constitution. But that leaching is also catabolic with a catabolic constitution

(not a good thing), so again moistening, tissue building intake is in order.

I've also read that if you have gallstones in your

20's they're also different.

Do you know anything about that?

If so, can you elaborate?

They take a long time to occur, so when they happen that young they will tend

to be a constitutional cause (your case) more than diet and lifestyle. However,

the constitutional issues are controllable through diet and lifestyle. How is

that for doublespeak?

--- Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote:

> Fasting

> or " detox " may exacebate your conditions,

All I can say is Amen to that, my body does not

respond to shock.

I must work with it slowly, introducing one thing at a

time. Hence why I hate flushing, have only done 2,

The fasting until 2 p.m almost did me in. my body

responds better to having introduced more exercise,

drinking water and changing my diet from vegan to

normal.

-Detox of any kind for your constitution is a double edged sword. Because of

your dry nature " toxins " will not be soft enough, and you are deficient on the

fluid carriers for elim. So toxins will tend to accumulate because of a lack of

Jing ( " vital essence " in the chinese model). Now, when you go to detox, you

don't have enough physical mass to begin with and we are going to require the

body to lose more. Contrary to this romantic belief in the natural healing

community that the " body " picks out only the bad stuff to eliminate, it does

not. you will lose a bunch of the good stuff too in the process. Therefore,

always, carefull. The general rule for detoxing an individual like you is

" build first, then detoxify " .

You are going to tend (probably drastically so) towards hypoglycemia (let

me guess: You burn like a bat out of hell for a couple of hours at a time and

then can barely stand up for a couple more). Drinking small amounts of apple

juice during the whole flush process will help. Always, in all ways, -Dave

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[Guest guest]

Hello Dave,

Ah Ayurveda, one of the things I promised myself to

look into.

--- Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote:

> Moistening means demulcent, liquefying, tissue

> building, nurturing foods and herbs (still foods!).

What are those nurturing foods and herbs?

I've been wanting to see someone in Ayurveda for a

while but I've got to work against the " know it all,

do it myself " attitude I was born with.

My pattern is eat the right things consistently for a

few days, drink lots of water, take my supplements,

exercise and few days later then eat whatever I want

which tends to include sweet sweets and more sweets

and lots of nuts raw too many.

Whatever I want sometimes means an entire bag of

macadamia nuts raw which I think are hard on my body.

reduced

> secretions,

I do not sweat, I go hiking with a group of friends

who are usually drenched in sweat within minutes and

I'm wondering if there's any water at all in my body.

> -Magnesium is perfect for you. It brings fluid to

> the bowel, and is relaxing to your over active

> nervous system.

Now that I'm back from my vacation I'll be taking it

again.

>

> -Distilled water will actually have a tendency to

> leach inorganic minerals out of your body (a good

> thing)

I've given up on distilled water, I figured if nature

wanted me to drink it then it would already be that

way.

> They take a long time to occur, so when they

> happen that young they will tend to be a

> constitutional cause

I've got my theories on why I developed them when I

thought I was doing everything to be the healthiest

person alive and here they go

fasting on fruits

bikram yoga,

which I had my first gallstone attack after a bikram

yoga session which is yoga in a super super hot room.

I think in one of the liver poses I stretched

backwards too far and released something that got

lodged somewhere, I'd been doing it maybe a couple of

months prior to my first attack. Before that I'd done

yoga for about 4 or 5 years but not bikram yoga.

vegan diet, too many raw nuts, too many sweets and not

enough water. Too many grains which my body doesn't

like anyway but I grew up on them and love them to

death.

I keep a food diary and prior to my gallstone attack,

I was vegan and usually eating smoothies for

breakfast, made with blueberries, bananas,

wolf-berries and for lunch it would be pasta with

kale, onions, celery, parsley, cauliflower organic

everything so it couldn't be my diet.

Except for the vegan cookies and the grains I guess.

Then I had to practice food combining because my

digestion went haywire.

I was also doing ginger shots before meals prior to

my first gallstone attack and now I realize ginger is

an herb that commands respect.

I grew up drinking ginger tea and it was usually

grated ginger and of course the hot water cooked it

but those shots were raw directly from my juicer and

too much too soon.

Ginger makes the liver release stones.

It should not be taken in shots but rather a thin

slice or two before meals and/or after... a slow, slow

very slow introduction.

Not shots daily in succession, I'd say it took a few

weeks of doing those shots and bam, the attack!!!!!

Colon cleanse-

I also did a colon cleanse prior to my first gallstone

attack and didn't drink enough water at all.

I had colonics prior to my first gallstone attack but

i don't think that had anything to do with them.

It was a 3 month colon cleanse but of course I didn't

follow it correctly. I didn't drink enough water at

all and there were many strong herbs in that colon

cleanse.

Last but not least chronic dehydration accelerated by

not drinking water at all ever.

Oh and sometimes I think it's because I used to take

3000mg of vitamin c not to mention several other

vitamins even though there was nothing wrong with me,

I started taking them at about age 20 and got more and

more and more about age 25

and I think genetically modified vitamin c could have

caused it .

Now I take a non GmO brand and the first thing I

noticed was my pale stools went away after I started

taking the non-gmo brand. That was last year November

same time I started eating meat and dairy.

Those are my theories, relative of course only to my

body.

In retrospect I realize all of these things I did were

always in excess. I bought my first juicer at 18

became vegetarian at age 9 just constantly obsessing

over my health all of my life for no reason.

this is what I'm really coming to terms with and the

overactive mind

All I can say to that is AHHA!!!!

(>> You are going to tend (probably drastically

> so) towards hypoglycemia

(let me guess: You burn

> like a bat out of hell for a couple of hours at a

> time and then can barely stand up for a couple

> more).

That's exactly the way it goes for me.

someday lots of people will benefit from everything

I've been through so it's all worth it to me.

Thanks so much!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: denise milfort<mailto:mllebondgirl007@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 8:15 PM

Subject: Re: Dave/Tina wonderings

Hello Dave,

Ah Ayurveda, one of the things I promised myself to

look into.

--- Dave Shelden

<wholehealthawareness@...<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...>> wrote:

> Moistening means demulcent, liquefying, tissue

> building, nurturing foods and herbs (still foods!).

What are those nurturing foods and herbs?

I've been wanting to see someone in Ayurveda for a

while but I've got to work against the " know it all,

do it myself " attitude I was born with.

-That attitude is a blessing as well as a curse. A great starting book on

Ayurved is " A Life In Balance " by Maya Tiwari. It is great on constitution ,

diet, and lifestyle from the Ayuvedic perspective but will not have a lot from

other perspectives. Any other philosophy is just as valid. Look for warming

(not hot), moistening, tissue building, softening, etc.

My pattern is eat the right things consistently for a

few days, drink lots of water, take my supplements,

exercise and few days later then eat whatever I want

which tends to include sweet sweets and more sweets

and lots of nuts raw too many.

-Because you have cold digestion, the whole raw food thing is hard on you.

You will do much better with your veggies lightly steamed, your nuts roasted,

higher protien than most, eating smaller amounts more often.

Sugar is your evil lover. While you crave it, and it is technically

tissue building, anything in excess is going to wack you out. Rocket fuel for a

space cadet; hard to stay grounded to the earth with that combo! The single

greatest (and hardest thing) you can do for yourself would be to cut out all

refined carbos and get only complex carbs Still in lower percentage than most).

Whatever I want sometimes means an entire bag of

macadamia nuts raw which I think are hard on my body.

reduced

> secretions,

I do not sweat, I go hiking with a group of friends

who are usually drenched in sweat within minutes and

I'm wondering if there's any water at all in my body.

-The whole dry tissue thing. Very important to get you yo the point that you

sweat. And even though you need to drink a lot of water, moistening and warming

is the answer. Just like your bowels, it will be " no matter how much I

drink... "

> -Magnesium is perfect for you. It brings fluid to

> the bowel, and is relaxing to your over active

> nervous system.

Now that I'm back from my vacation I'll be taking it

again.

>

> -Distilled water will actually have a tendency to

> leach inorganic minerals out of your body (a good

> thing)

I've given up on distilled water, I figured if nature

wanted me to drink it then it would already be that

way.

-Rain water is. There are other negative aspects about machine distilled

water though.

> They take a long time to occur, so when they

> happen that young they will tend to be a

> constitutional cause

I've got my theories on why I developed them when I

thought I was doing everything to be the healthiest

person alive and here they go

fasting on fruits

bikram yoga,

which I had my first gallstone attack after a bikram

yoga session which is yoga in a super super hot room.

I think in one of the liver poses I stretched

backwards too far and released something that got

lodged somewhere, I'd been doing it maybe a couple of

months prior to my first attack. Before that I'd done

yoga for about 4 or 5 years but not bikram yoga.

vegan diet, too many raw nuts, too many sweets and not

enough water. Too many grains which my body doesn't

like anyway but I grew up on them and love them to

death.

I keep a food diary and prior to my gallstone attack,

I was vegan and usually eating smoothies for

breakfast, made with blueberries, bananas,

wolf-berries and for lunch it would be pasta with

kale, onions, celery, parsley, cauliflower organic

everything so it couldn't be my diet.

Except for the vegan cookies and the grains I guess.

Then I had to practice food combining because my

digestion went haywire.

I was also doing ginger shots before meals prior to

my first gallstone attack and now I realize ginger is

an herb that commands respect.

I grew up drinking ginger tea and it was usually

grated ginger and of course the hot water cooked it

but those shots were raw directly from my juicer and

too much too soon.

Ginger makes the liver release stones.

It should not be taken in shots but rather a thin

slice or two before meals and/or after... a slow, slow

very slow introduction.

Not shots daily in succession, I'd say it took a few

weeks of doing those shots and bam, the attack!!!!!

Ginger is actually excellent for your constitution. However, anything in

excess is going to wack you out. You may have stimulated the secretions of

stones with it but very doubtfull the formation. To the contrary, I have seen

it dissolve bone spurs and other calcium deposits (the type of things you are

going to be prone to constitutionally) used in large quantity over an extended

period of time.

Colon cleanse-

I also did a colon cleanse prior to my first gallstone

attack and didn't drink enough water at all.

I had colonics prior to my first gallstone attack but

i don't think that had anything to do with them.

It was a 3 month colon cleanse but of course I didn't

follow it correctly. I didn't drink enough water at

all and there were many strong herbs in that colon

cleanse.

Last but not least chronic dehydration accelerated by

not drinking water at all ever.

Oh and sometimes I think it's because I used to take

3000mg of vitamin c not to mention several other

vitamins even though there was nothing wrong with me,

I started taking them at about age 20 and got more and

more and more about age 25

and I think genetically modified vitamin c could have

caused it .

Now I take a non GmO brand and the first thing I

noticed was my pale stools went away after I started

taking the non-gmo brand. That was last year November

same time I started eating meat and dairy.

Those are my theories, relative of course only to my

body.

In retrospect I realize all of these things I did were

always in excess. I bought my first juicer at 18

became vegetarian at age 9 just constantly obsessing

over my health all of my life for no reason.

this is what I'm really coming to terms with and the

overactive mind

All I can say to that is AHHA!!!!

(>> You are going to tend (probably drastically

> so) towards hypoglycemia

(let me guess: You burn

> like a bat out of hell for a couple of hours at a

> time and then can barely stand up for a couple

> more).

That's exactly the way it goes for me.

someday lots of people will benefit from everything

I've been through so it's all worth it to me.

-We are all benefiting from it right now. Thank you. -Dave

Thanks so much!

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