Re: A Logical Protocol to Restore Gallbladder Functionality

[Guest guest]

The " necrosis " or tissue compromization associated with decreased blood flow due

to an infflamed gallbladder should pretty much clear up as the size of

gallbladder and reduction of inflammation relieves the pressure on the arterial

flow unless there is permanent damage done. Chinese medicine applies herbs to

energetic imbalance and disfunction. Liver fibrosis or necrosis of gallbladder

tissue would be the effect of an imbalance or dysfunction (the exact same effect

could be caused by several or sometimes many causes) therefor the use of any

herb or combination may or may not work for any individual. Proper diagnoses of

the causal imbalance and specific herbal application is what effects " cure " . In

the cases mentioned herbs that " move blood " (Dan Shen) and open flow (Ginko

Biloba) might be used. Couple more notes below. Good Luck, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM

Subject: A Logical Protocol to Restore Gallbladder Functionality

There are four things we would have to do to reverse the

changes that are stopping the GB from functioning properly:

1) Dissolve the stones which are responsible for the whole

syndrome

-While the stones are creating an impedance of blood flow that is " causing "

other adverse effects; the true " cause " lies much deeper than this. Removal of

the stones either by natural means or surgery only relieves a symptom. If done

naturally of course you get to keep a very important organ that deserves far

more respect than is usually given. The liver is the most regenerative organ in

the body except for hair, skin, and nails (85% necrosis- 100% regeneration). So

much in fact that you can donate a piece of yours and grow it back as well as

the person you donated to! The gallbladder is associated with and almost

attached also, so I would be willing to bet that It is pretty good at survival

too.

2) Reverse the thrombosis of the gallbladder artery to

re-establish a proper blood flow to the organ, and

prevent further necrosis. I think exercise might succeed

in doing at least this much.

-Excersise is critical to increasing blood flow. Also with the majority of

people with gallbladder problems (along with diabetes, heart disease, impaired

thyroid function, etc.) lack of proper excersise was at the " causal " level (but

not " the " cause. Most of this stuff is " contributing factors " ). This is why we

can't take a magic herb, have a magic operation, or do a magic flush and solve

the " problem " .

3) Reverse the existing fibrosis in the gallbladder wall.

Two Chinese herbs are thought to be able to reverse

liver fibrosis, so perhaps they might reverse gallbladder fibrosis

also:

a) " Dan Shen " (salvia, sage root)

" Bai Guo " (ginko biloba) Care should be taken not

to consume the raw fruit of gingko, it contains

hydrogen cyanide. Also, long-term, high dosage of

gingko preparations have other side effects. Otherwise,

this herb is very useful.

In China, one or other of these two herbs is sometimes included

in gallbladder treatment preparations. I hope my Chinese herbalist has

incorporated one or both of these into my mixture. If not, I have to find out

whether I could take them separately, and whether they would have

an " adverse interaction " with the herbs I am already taking.

-Your chinese herbalist has a game plan set up for your particular imbalance.

Anything you do can upset that plan regardless of chemical reactions. This by

the way does not mean I am avocating (nor dismissing) the chinese medicine or

practitioner.

4) Replace the necrotic tissue of the gallbladder wall with

healthy tissue. Apparently the best way of doing this is by

" revascularization " , meaning restoring the function of the GB.

This in turn can be acheived by " hyperbaric oxygen treatment "

which means placing an individual, or necrotic body parts, in a

high pressure oxygen environment for a limited time period each day.

In the US, this is done at a few hospitals to treat gangrenous limbs.

To my knowledge, no-one has ever thought to attempt to treat diseased

internal organs such as the GB in this way, and hyperbaric treatment is

not available outside the US.

-The goal of hyperbaric treatment is to increase serum and tissue levels of

oxygen. This can be done in many different ways. There are also other tissue

healing functions that also should be addressed.

The least we could do however is to raise

the oxygen level in the working environment. The best way

might be to place a large potted plant right next to our computers.

I hope this post will encourage some discussion.

Very best to everybody,

Max

[Guest guest]

Dave

Although I don't have your extensive knowledge of Chinese herbs, I would agree

with you.

However, all fibrosis in the gallbladder is " permanent " unless steps are taken

to reverse

it. " Dan Shen " has been shown to reverse fibrosis in the liver in the lab, so I

am only saying

it is a good place to start as a single herb or in combination to do the same in

the GB.

It may or may not work for any particular individual, but from the lab results,

chances are

high that it will.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:38 AM

Subject: Re: A Logical Protocol to Restore Gallbladder

Functionality

The " necrosis " or tissue compromization associated with decreased blood flow

due to an infflamed gallbladder should pretty much clear up as the size of

gallbladder and reduction of inflammation relieves the pressure on the arterial

flow unless there is permanent damage done. Chinese medicine applies herbs to

energetic imbalance and disfunction. Liver fibrosis or necrosis of gallbladder

tissue would be the effect of an imbalance or dysfunction (the exact same effect

could be caused by several or sometimes many causes) therefor the use of any

herb or combination may or may not work for any individual. Proper diagnoses of

the causal imbalance and specific herbal application is what effects " cure " . In

the cases mentioned herbs that " move blood " (Dan Shen) and open flow (Ginko

Biloba) might be used. Couple more notes below. Good Luck, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM

Subject: A Logical Protocol to Restore Gallbladder

Functionality

There are four things we would have to do to reverse the

changes that are stopping the GB from functioning properly:

1) Dissolve the stones which are responsible for the whole

syndrome

-While the stones are creating an impedance of blood flow that is " causing "

other adverse effects; the true " cause " lies much deeper than this. Removal of

the stones either by natural means or surgery only relieves a symptom. If done

naturally of course you get to keep a very important organ that deserves far

more respect than is usually given. The liver is the most regenerative organ in

the body except for hair, skin, and nails (85% necrosis- 100% regeneration). So

much in fact that you can donate a piece of yours and grow it back as well as

the person you donated to! The gallbladder is associated with and almost

attached also, so I would be willing to bet that It is pretty good at survival

too.

2) Reverse the thrombosis of the gallbladder artery to

re-establish a proper blood flow to the organ, and

prevent further necrosis. I think exercise might succeed

in doing at least this much.

-Excersise is critical to increasing blood flow. Also with the majority of

people with gallbladder problems (along with diabetes, heart disease, impaired

thyroid function, etc.) lack of proper excersise was at the " causal " level (but

not " the " cause. Most of this stuff is " contributing factors " ). This is why we

can't take a magic herb, have a magic operation, or do a magic flush and solve

the " problem " .

3) Reverse the existing fibrosis in the gallbladder wall.

Two Chinese herbs are thought to be able to reverse

liver fibrosis, so perhaps they might reverse gallbladder fibrosis

also:

a) " Dan Shen " (salvia, sage root)

" Bai Guo " (ginko biloba) Care should be taken not

to consume the raw fruit of gingko, it contains

hydrogen cyanide. Also, long-term, high dosage of

gingko preparations have other side effects. Otherwise,

this herb is very useful.

In China, one or other of these two herbs is sometimes included

in gallbladder treatment preparations. I hope my Chinese herbalist has

incorporated one or both of these into my mixture. If not, I have to find

out

whether I could take them separately, and whether they would have

an " adverse interaction " with the herbs I am already taking.

-Your chinese herbalist has a game plan set up for your particular

imbalance. Anything you do can upset that plan regardless of chemical

reactions. This by the way does not mean I am avocating (nor dismissing) the

chinese medicine or practitioner.

4) Replace the necrotic tissue of the gallbladder wall with

healthy tissue. Apparently the best way of doing this is by

" revascularization " , meaning restoring the function of the GB.

This in turn can be acheived by " hyperbaric oxygen treatment "

which means placing an individual, or necrotic body parts, in a

high pressure oxygen environment for a limited time period each day.

In the US, this is done at a few hospitals to treat gangrenous limbs.

To my knowledge, no-one has ever thought to attempt to treat diseased

internal organs such as the GB in this way, and hyperbaric treatment is

not available outside the US.

-The goal of hyperbaric treatment is to increase serum and tissue levels of

oxygen. This can be done in many different ways. There are also other tissue

healing functions that also should be addressed.

The least we could do however is to raise

the oxygen level in the working environment. The best way

might be to place a large potted plant right next to our computers.

I hope this post will encourage some discussion.

Very best to everybody,

Max

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:54 AM

Subject: Re: A Logical Protocol to Restore Gallbladder

Functionality

Dave

Although I don't have your extensive knowledge of Chinese herbs, I would agree

with you.

However, all fibrosis in the gallbladder is " permanent " unless steps are taken

to reverse

it. " Dan Shen " has been shown to reverse fibrosis in the liver in the lab, so

I am only saying

it is a good place to start as a single herb or in combination to do the same

in the GB.

It may or may not work for any particular individual, but from the lab

results, chances are

high that it will.

Max,

I am pointing out that in terms of chinese medicine and the application,

we cannot cross reference with the " scientific " paradigm (This was in regards to

the issue of whether these would be good in combination with your Chinese

program). While we look at the positive effects from taking dan shen (and

chinese medicine does too) on liver tissue, the original application is based on

energetics not composition. The reason this is important is as I said there may

be different reasons in different individuals that cause the fibrosis. The

application of herbs will be different. If we apply a single herb in all

individuals with the same condition it may be highly effective for some and not

so effective for others. In the case of dan shen, it is a blood mover (there

are many to choose from, each having it's own specific characteristics) and

almost surely fibrosis has a " blood stagnation " component to it. Your chinese

herbalist for instance might use dong guai or nototerygii instead with a woman

with menstrual issues instead though.

I highly agree with you about dan shen almost for sure being helpful.

But instead of looking at it from the viewpoint of " dan shen reversing

fibrosis " , the chinese perspective is about the energetic change to bring the

organism back to balance, therefore, the fibrosis changes back to normal tissue.

It may seem like I am splitting hairs, but now when we look at the alopathic

viewpoint of " all fibrosis is permanent unless reversed " , from this perspective

it changes... " Fibrosis is imminent if you don't return the organism to

balance " . Or, " fibrosis will turn to normal tissue if balance is

restored " (every cell in your body dies (apoptosis) and is regenerated on an

ongoing basis). So, my experience is that most fibrosis is not permanent if the

underlying cause is relieved and the necessary functions and raw materials are

supplied to support healthy tissue. This means, when the doctor says, " We

have to remove your gallbladder because it is fibrotic, and even if that silly

flush did get rid of your stones, you will still have a damaged organ that can

split at anytime. " , we say, " crap " . The blood moving properties of an herb like

dan shen are one part of a multi faceted issue and program. Your sugestion of

ginko is excellent. It opens up blood flow (especially to the extremities), so

the exact same characteristic is responcible for the improvement in memory or

libido that would make it valuable in this case. May I suggest using tissue

regenerative herbs, supplements, and foods as well for returning fibrotic tissue

more elastic. Something like turmeric, triphala,vit c, or bhumy amalaki (all

great hepatics) as well. Always, in all ways, -Dave

[Guest guest]

Right Dave

I fully understand your description. I can communicate

in spoken and written Chinese, and am very familiar with the

reasoning behind Chinese herbal treatment. So I plan

to discuss " dan shen " and " bai guo " with my Chinese

herbalist, i.e., whether she thinks using them would be a good

move in my case. Only I am skint now, which means I

am not in a position to pay for more herbs! But I know

the value of continuing with them.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:16 AM

Subject: Re: A Logical Protocol to Restore Gallbladder

Functionality

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:54 AM

Subject: Re: A Logical Protocol to Restore Gallbladder

Functionality

Dave

Although I don't have your extensive knowledge of Chinese herbs, I would

agree with you.

However, all fibrosis in the gallbladder is " permanent " unless steps are

taken to reverse

it. " Dan Shen " has been shown to reverse fibrosis in the liver in the lab,

so I am only saying

it is a good place to start as a single herb or in combination to do the

same in the GB.

It may or may not work for any particular individual, but from the lab

results, chances are

high that it will.

Max,

I am pointing out that in terms of chinese medicine and the

application, we cannot cross reference with the " scientific " paradigm (This was

in regards to the issue of whether these would be good in combination with your

Chinese program). While we look at the positive effects from taking dan shen

(and chinese medicine does too) on liver tissue, the original application is

based on energetics not composition. The reason this is important is as I said

there may be different reasons in different individuals that cause the fibrosis.

The application of herbs will be different. If we apply a single herb in all

individuals with the same condition it may be highly effective for some and not

so effective for others. In the case of dan shen, it is a blood mover (there

are many to choose from, each having it's own specific characteristics) and

almost surely fibrosis has a " blood stagnation " component to it. Your chinese

herbalist for instance might use dong guai or nototerygii instead with a woman

with menstrual issues instead though.

I highly agree with you about dan shen almost for sure being helpful.

But instead of looking at it from the viewpoint of " dan shen reversing

fibrosis " , the chinese perspective is about the energetic change to bring the

organism back to balance, therefore, the fibrosis changes back to normal tissue.

It may seem like I am splitting hairs, but now when we look at the alopathic

viewpoint of " all fibrosis is permanent unless reversed " , from this perspective

it changes... " Fibrosis is imminent if you don't return the organism to

balance " . Or, " fibrosis will turn to normal tissue if balance is

restored " (every cell in your body dies (apoptosis) and is regenerated on an

ongoing basis). So, my experience is that most fibrosis is not permanent if the

underlying cause is relieved and the necessary functions and raw materials are

supplied to support healthy tissue. This means, when the doctor says, " We

have to remove your gallbladder because it is fibrotic, and even if that silly

flush did get rid of your stones, you will still have a damaged organ that can

split at anytime. " , we say, " crap " . The blood moving properties of an herb like

dan shen are one part of a multi faceted issue and program. Your sugestion of

ginko is excellent. It opens up blood flow (especially to the extremities), so

the exact same characteristic is responcible for the improvement in memory or

libido that would make it valuable in this case. May I suggest using tissue

regenerative herbs, supplements, and foods as well for returning fibrotic tissue

more elastic. Something like turmeric, triphala,vit c, or bhumy amalaki (all

great hepatics) as well. Always, in all ways, -Dave

[Guest guest]

Max, thanks so much for this great information. If only the gastro

docs would tell us about this stuff, maybe there would be fewer gb

surgeries. I was wondering about one other thing - if losing weight

could also help gb functionality. I was curious to know if body fat

surrounding the gb could prevent it from contracting properly. I do

know of thin people who have had problems with gb functionality, but

from what I've read, it seems that more gb problems occur in people

who are overweight. (I could sure use to drop 25 pounds myself!)

Please let me know if you have any thoughts on this.

Thanks again...Randi

> There are four things we would have to do to reverse the

> changes that are stopping the GB from functioning properly:

>

> 1) Dissolve the stones which are responsible for the whole

> syndrome

>

> 2) Reverse the thrombosis of the gallbladder artery to

> re-establish a proper blood flow to the organ, and

> prevent further necrosis. I think exercise might succeed

> in doing at least this much.

>

> 3) Reverse the existing fibrosis in the gallbladder wall.

> Two Chinese herbs are thought to be able to reverse

> liver fibrosis, so perhaps they might reverse gallbladder

fibrosis

> also:

> a) " Dan Shen " (salvia, sage root)

> " Bai Guo " (ginko biloba) Care should be taken not

> to consume the raw fruit of gingko, it contains

> hydrogen cyanide. Also, long-term, high dosage of

> gingko preparations have other side effects. Otherwise,

> this herb is very useful.

> In China, one or other of these two herbs is sometimes included

> in gallbladder treatment preparations. I hope my Chinese

herbalist has

> incorporated one or both of these into my mixture. If not, I have

to find out

> whether I could take them separately, and whether they would have

> an " adverse interaction " with the herbs I am already taking.

>

> 4) Replace the necrotic tissue of the gallbladder wall with

> healthy tissue. Apparently the best way of doing this is by

> " revascularization " , meaning restoring the function of the GB.

> This in turn can be acheived by " hyperbaric oxygen treatment "

> which means placing an individual, or necrotic body parts, in a

> high pressure oxygen environment for a limited time period each

day.

> In the US, this is done at a few hospitals to treat gangrenous

limbs.

> To my knowledge, no-one has ever thought to attempt to treat

diseased

> internal organs such as the GB in this way, and hyperbaric

treatment is

> not available outside the US. The least we could do however is

to raise

> the oxygen level in the working environment. The best way

> might be to place a large potted plant right next to our computers.

>

> I hope this post will encourage some discussion.

> Very best to everybody,

> Max

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not necessary overweight people---many causes are people who lose and

gain weight through the year--or those that are eating a bit too much

fat--or for some reason can't digest it as well--

digestion is really the beginnings of this problem---

but elimination of the majority of fats does improve the situation--

but you need some fat to empty out the gallbladder.

I myself lost 15 pounds in Nov and gained it back---too many years on

Adkins---up and down but I am not considered obese---not at all.

My problem is digestion more than eating too many fats--which shows

up in my lipid levels--

low thyroid levels also causes this problem --big time---

It's really important to get a complete picture of why you are ill---

so you really need a complete blood count and hormone work up--

also much of this is age related besides being a bit overweight or

eating too fat a diet.

many factors to consider to change in order to get healthy again!!!

> > > There are four things we would have to do to reverse the

> > > changes that are stopping the GB from functioning properly:

> > >

> > > 1) Dissolve the stones which are responsible for the whole

> > > syndrome

> > >

> > > 2) Reverse the thrombosis of the gallbladder artery to

> > > re-establish a proper blood flow to the organ, and

> > > prevent further necrosis. I think exercise might succeed

> > > in doing at least this much.

> > >

> > > 3) Reverse the existing fibrosis in the gallbladder wall.

> > > Two Chinese herbs are thought to be able to reverse

> > > liver fibrosis, so perhaps they might reverse gallbladder

> > fibrosis

> > > also:

> > > a) " Dan Shen " (salvia, sage root)

> > > " Bai Guo " (ginko biloba) Care should be taken not

> > > to consume the raw fruit of gingko, it contains

> > > hydrogen cyanide. Also, long-term, high dosage of

> > > gingko preparations have other side effects.

Otherwise,

> > > this herb is very useful.

> > > In China, one or other of these two herbs is sometimes included

> > > in gallbladder treatment preparations. I hope my Chinese

> > herbalist has

> > > incorporated one or both of these into my mixture. If not, I

have

> > to find out

> > > whether I could take them separately, and whether they would

have

> > > an " adverse interaction " with the herbs I am already taking.

> > >

> > > 4) Replace the necrotic tissue of the gallbladder wall with

> > > healthy tissue. Apparently the best way of doing this is by

> > > " revascularization " , meaning restoring the function of the GB.

> > > This in turn can be acheived by " hyperbaric oxygen treatment "

> > > which means placing an individual, or necrotic body parts, in a

> > > high pressure oxygen environment for a limited time period each

> > day.

> > > In the US, this is done at a few hospitals to treat gangrenous

> > limbs.

> > > To my knowledge, no-one has ever thought to attempt to treat

> > diseased

> > > internal organs such as the GB in this way, and hyperbaric

> > treatment is

> > > not available outside the US. The least we could do however

is

> > to raise

> > > the oxygen level in the working environment. The best way

> > > might be to place a large potted plant right next to our

computers.

> > >

> > > I hope this post will encourage some discussion.

> > > Very best to everybody,

> > > Max

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Randi, it's just that overweight people eat more and give

the GB more work to do, so it works outside the normal

range of what it was designed for. In addition, overweight

means higher lipid levels in the blood and bile, so much

easier to form stones in the GB. These two factors together

are sufficient to cause a big difference.

I would go with Dr. Mercola's advice on reducing or

eliminating grains, which means little or no bread and rice.

Pulses and nuts are OK though. I eat mainly vegetables and fruit,

with some fish or poultry. No other meat. Cook Mediterranean or

Chinese style with no chili, at least while the gallbladder is inflamed.

If the gastro docs told us about this stuff, there would be

fewer surgeries. And they don't tell us about this stuff.

Look at it this way: somebody who wants to get paid for

taking away your old computer (or body parts), doesn't

want to tell you how to repair your computer (or body parts).

Best

Max

----- Original Message -----

From: " randabra " <randabra@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:48 AM

Subject: Re: A Logical Protocol to Restore Gallbladder

Functionality

> Max, thanks so much for this great information. If only the gastro

> docs would tell us about this stuff, maybe there would be fewer gb

> surgeries. I was wondering about one other thing - if losing weight

> could also help gb functionality. I was curious to know if body fat

> surrounding the gb could prevent it from contracting properly. I do

> know of thin people who have had problems with gb functionality, but

> from what I've read, it seems that more gb problems occur in people

> who are overweight. (I could sure use to drop 25 pounds myself!)

> Please let me know if you have any thoughts on this.

> Thanks again...Randi

>

>

> > There are four things we would have to do to reverse the

> > changes that are stopping the GB from functioning properly:

> >

> > 1) Dissolve the stones which are responsible for the whole

> > syndrome

> >

> > 2) Reverse the thrombosis of the gallbladder artery to

> > re-establish a proper blood flow to the organ, and

> > prevent further necrosis. I think exercise might succeed

> > in doing at least this much.

> >

> > 3) Reverse the existing fibrosis in the gallbladder wall.

> > Two Chinese herbs are thought to be able to reverse

> > liver fibrosis, so perhaps they might reverse gallbladder

> fibrosis

> > also:

> > a) " Dan Shen " (salvia, sage root)

> > " Bai Guo " (ginko biloba) Care should be taken not

> > to consume the raw fruit of gingko, it contains

> > hydrogen cyanide. Also, long-term, high dosage of

> > gingko preparations have other side effects. Otherwise,

> > this herb is very useful.

> > In China, one or other of these two herbs is sometimes included

> > in gallbladder treatment preparations. I hope my Chinese

> herbalist has

> > incorporated one or both of these into my mixture. If not, I have

> to find out

> > whether I could take them separately, and whether they would have

> > an " adverse interaction " with the herbs I am already taking.

> >

> > 4) Replace the necrotic tissue of the gallbladder wall with

> > healthy tissue. Apparently the best way of doing this is by

> > " revascularization " , meaning restoring the function of the GB.

> > This in turn can be acheived by " hyperbaric oxygen treatment "

> > which means placing an individual, or necrotic body parts, in a

> > high pressure oxygen environment for a limited time period each

> day.

> > In the US, this is done at a few hospitals to treat gangrenous

> limbs.

> > To my knowledge, no-one has ever thought to attempt to treat

> diseased

> > internal organs such as the GB in this way, and hyperbaric

> treatment is

> > not available outside the US. The least we could do however is

> to raise

> > the oxygen level in the working environment. The best way

> > might be to place a large potted plant right next to our computers.

> >

> > I hope this post will encourage some discussion.

> > Very best to everybody,

> > Max

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks again for more great advice. Unfortunately, I had my gb

removed and I regret doing so. I've had many digestive problems

ever since. In the meantime, I am trying to help friends who are

contemplating surgery by passing on helpful information like this to

them. (I refer them to this site all the time.) I think you have

adopted the best way of eating. I would like to give it a try -

it's just that so many things disagree with me. Almost everything

gives me stomach acid or pain. It seems like the more processed the

food is, the easier it is for me to digest (i.e. white rice,

muffins, over cooked food, etc.). Sometimes I just eat anything,

even if it's not that healthy, just so I can get through the day at

work without acid, pain or IBS like symptoms.

Question - what do you eat for breakfast? I think I can try to give

up the grains, but I'm so used to having a " bready " product for

breakfast. It's hard for me to digest eggs early in the morning, so

I don't know what else to eat. Also, do you ever eat oatmeal?

P.S. Totally agree about the computer analogy! When I mentioned

doing flushes to the surgeon in the hospital, he just laughed at me

and said it was ridiculous. You all know more than these doctors!!!

> Randi, it's just that overweight people eat more and give

> the GB more work to do, so it works outside the normal

> range of what it was designed for. In addition, overweight

> means higher lipid levels in the blood and bile, so much

> easier to form stones in the GB. These two factors together

> are sufficient to cause a big difference.

> I would go with Dr. Mercola's advice on reducing or

> eliminating grains, which means little or no bread and rice.

> Pulses and nuts are OK though. I eat mainly vegetables and fruit,

> with some fish or poultry. No other meat. Cook Mediterranean or

> Chinese style with no chili, at least while the gallbladder is

inflamed.

>

> If the gastro docs told us about this stuff, there would be

> fewer surgeries. And they don't tell us about this stuff.

> Look at it this way: somebody who wants to get paid for

> taking away your old computer (or body parts), doesn't

> want to tell you how to repair your computer (or body parts).

> Best

> Max

>

>

>