sugar

July 28, 2003

As I understand Dr. G's views on this, he recommends avoiding sugar because

it both feeds yeast and stresses the immune system directly.

Gaylen

April 25, 2004

Waahhh ! I'm running the other way ! Thanks Patty ! BTW, is it OK to take a

laxative containing Lactlulose, or is that sugar too ? It's sooo yucky sweet

!

Fiona

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April 25, 2004

Does this include natural fresh fruit???

Love

Judi

June 29, 2005

Yes I try to avoid sugar. It feeds the yeast problem.

Janet

June 29, 2005

I did the no sugar thing while on an anti-candida diet, after I had already been

exposed to a sick building.

Now I'm doing it again with the no-amylose, no-glucose approach while on

Shoemaker's protocol for mold-related illness. This is a lot more relaxed,

because you can have a lot more fruit. It's not bad, once you get used to it.

Just a bit inconvenient, when you consider how much food is loaded with bread

and pasta and potatoes and rice. These are traditionally very cheap ways to bulk

up most meals, so be prepared to spend more on food unless you really, really

like corn and beans. I do, so that helps. And I don't eat much meat, so getting

protein from the beans and eggs is important to me.

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I did an anti sugar diet for some years, but gave it up. The last few winters I

could hardly

think unless I ate some- it was while my mold illness was getting very very

severe, and

was undiagnosed.

What is no amylose, no glucose? Is it the no starch approach?

> Now I'm doing it again with the no-amylose, no-glucose approach while on

Shoemaker's

protocol for mold-related illness.

>food unless you really, really like corn and beans. I do, so that helps. And I

don't eat

much meat, so getting protein from the beans and eggs is important to me.

>

I am a vegan, so I eat beans, and corn too, though I find I do better with the

tortilla that

have lime- I can hardly stand organic corn tortillas- so moldy. I like some

almonds, and of

course we have vege burgers around mostly for the teenagers, but I eat one

sometimes

too. I need green veges, lots of green veges.

July 1, 2005

I used to be the same way with eating sugar. I found that getting rid of the

candida overgrowth tuned my sugar cravings down about 40 notches. I do

understand the feeling, though! I still like the stuff, but I don't fall apart

without it.

The details on the no-amylose diet can be found in the book " Lose the Weight You

Hate " at www.moldwarrior.com

The thrust of the diet is no sugar, no bananas, no grain, and nothing that grows

under the ground like potatoes. That's a lot of " no " . The upside is you get

plenty of most things denied you on other diets - cream, butter, cheese and

other milk products, other fruit and berries, etc. So, it does cut way down on

starches, but only the high-amylose starches. You could eat all the veggies you

wanted, I guess. And whatever sugar substitutes you like, of course. I do fine

with sucralose. And I switched out the flatbread for corn chips with hummous

(which is indispensible to any right-thinking person, IMHO : ). You don't really

knock out any food groups, and you don't sit around counting carbs or fat or

calories.

I'm only doing this because Shoemaker instructed it with the prescriptions he

gave me. Otherwise, I could pretty well eat whatever I like. It's a very

different way of looking at diet choices and the way metabolism works. I do

like to pig out on pasta. So I thought " quinoa " . I checked it out, and found it

has an even higher amylose content than wheat. So that's not gonna work. Flax

flour appears to be the substitute of choice, but you can't really make pasta

out of that. The thing I miss most is bananas, whether it's the plain fruit, or

the plantain/platanos/maduros/tostones I love. So, I won't be adopting this

no-amylose thing as a long-term lifestyle, and will switch to low-amylose first

opportunity. I would definitely treat it differently if I had a weight problem

to contend with.

The tough part, for me really has nothing to do with dropping amylose from my

diet. The harder part is trying to eat regular meals between cholestyramine

doses, because I'm a grazer by nature. Under ordinary circumstances, I might go

2-3 days without ever sitting down to a regular meal at all. I'd be munching on

something almost constantly, then have a serious chow-down session, and go right

back to my regular habits. Knock a few hours worth of grazing time out of each

day like that, and there's just no way to stay full. You HAVE to eat actual

meals. That goes very much against the grain wi th me, but I'm working on it.

I'm still learning about how the whole thing works, though, so by all means, get

the books. I'm sure my description leaves an awful lot to be desired.

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From: SERENA EDWARDS

Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:14 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: sugar

The details on the no-amylose diet can be found in the book " Lose the Weight

You Hate " at www.moldwarrior.com

The thrust of the diet is no sugar, no bananas, no grain, and nothing that

grows under the ground like potatoes.

* Why no root vegetables? Because of a high amylose content? Because they

might be moldy?

I'm sure my description leaves an awful lot to be desired.

* What's the basic problem with amylose?

* Thanks.

July 1, 2005

Dr Shoemaker has it in back of mold warrior about diet and also put

out separate book on diet. It allows corn and beans so you would be

pleased with that. No amylose is similar but not the same as low

carb.

--- In , " kl_clayton " <kl_clayton@y...>

wrote:

> I did an anti sugar diet for some years, but gave it up. The last

few winters I could hardly

> think unless I ate some- it was while my mold illness was getting

very very severe, and

> was undiagnosed.

>

> What is no amylose, no glucose? Is it the no starch approach?

>

July 1, 2005

Serena,

I have the EXACT same problem with cholestyramine thing. I'm a

grazer too. I get full very quickly and don't eat much for a 'meal'

but constantly have SOMETHING in my mouth. I'm very thin so

knocking some time out of grazing, you put it so well, is really

hard on me. I get ALL of my energy from food since I don't sleep

very well. So I have this problem with it myself. I just take

fewere doses of cholestyramine because I do need the food to keep up

my energy. Dr Shoemaker said it will just take longer but should

still work. My tests showed I was gene type harder to get over this

anyway, so I may just have to live with it, and hope for improvement

rather than a cure.

I guess direction of life, will be to keep myself in healthier

environments.

> I used to be the same way with eating sugar. I found that getting

rid of the candida overgrowth tuned my sugar cravings down about 40

notches. I do understand the feeling, though! I still like the

stuff, but I don't fall apart without it.

>

July 1, 2005

Serena,

What is humous?? ...to have with chips?

What is sucralose? Do you buy it with that name, sucralose?

You could try 'nut flour' but you couldn't make pasta out of that

either.

--- In , SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@y...>

wrote:

I do fine with sucralose. And I switched out the flatbread for corn

chips with hummous (which is indispensible to any right-thinking

person, IMHO : ). You don't really knock out any food groups, and you

don't sit around counting carbs or fat or calories.

>

July 2, 2005

My sugar cravings disappeared with the diflucan, mostly.

> The details on the no-amylose diet can be found in the book " Lose the Weight

You Hate "

at www.moldwarrior.com

Thanks for the link- I just can't seem to get around to ordering it.....I know

I'll hear about

it if I am seen reading something with that title. I am underweight. That's

right- and it

really is a big problem, those of you out there with the other side of the coin.

>

> The thrust of the diet is no sugar, no bananas, no grain, and nothing that

grows under

the ground like potatoes. That's a lot of " no " . The upside is you get plenty of

most things

denied you on other diets - cream, butter, cheese and other milk products, other

fruit and

berries, etc. So, it does cut way down on starches, but only the high-amylose

starches.

You could eat all the veggies you wanted, I guess. And whatever sugar

substitutes you

like, of course. I do fine with sucralose. And I switched out the flatbread for

corn chips

with hummous (which is indispensible to any right-thinking person, IMHO : ). You

don't

really knock out any food groups, and you don't sit around counting carbs or fat

or

calories.

Thanks for the details. I am not sure I could follow this, as a dairy allergic

vegan. The

poptatoes around here seem to be all fungus-y anyway, no great loss there.

Hummos is a

staple for us, like chips.

BYW, in coops, I have seen whole corn pasta. Platanos are pretty good, but it

isn't easy to

get around here, so I haven't had it for awhile. Sounds like I can change

several things that

could help.

The grazing thing is interesting. I started eating regular meals after I had

kids to feed

regular meals to, but the thing is, I forget to eat. I'd feed them, but get too

busy. Now they

are big, so I shouldn't have that excuse. The supplements have helped me to get

some

appetite back, too.

Thanks again,

kathryn

July 2, 2005

Hi -

I wish I was up on this enough to give great answers to your questions. But I'll

do what I can.

Bjerring <jamesbj@...> wrote:

* Why no root vegetables? Because of a high amylose content? Because they

might be moldy?

It's because of the high amylose content.

Despite all kinds of odd dietary recommendations I've seen here and there

because various foods supposedly contain some form of fungus, I don't even

recall seeing any such recommendations in Shoemaker's books. (If someone else

has, please correct me.)

FWIW, lots of foods are either fungus (mushrooms, truffles) or products of

fermentation processes (Wine, beer, cider, vinegar, tofu, certain cheeses and

other dairy products) or naturally attract fungal growth (virtually anything

which is no longer living). I know some people get practically religious over

this. But you simply can't avoid all forms of fungus, no matter what you do.

There are no processes that can kill absolutely everything permanently and yet

leave you with some nutrional value. Not all fungus is bad, or even bad for you,

so it's pretty much a roll-your-own proposition. The only prejudice I saw

operated in Shoemaker's books (besides the no amylose, no glucose thing) favored

fresh foods, well prepared, and consumed with great gusto.

* What's the basic problem with amylose?

Unlike other forms of sugar, amylose is very easily converted to fat, and

therefore not easily converted to energy available for immediate use. This is a

tougher problem for some people than others, due to the wasy their bodies make

and use leptin.

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Hummous is the most yummy thing that ever came out of the Middle East. Mashed up

chickpeas (garbanzo beans) with garlic or herbs (whatever kind you like) and

usually with a bit of lemon juice. Usually eaten with very good olive oil like a

dip for flatbread. You can usually get it in the deli section of the grocery

store, but it's easy to make fresh, too. I just switched out the flatbread for

corn chips. Not bad.

Sucralose is sold as Splenda. Some people prefer maltitol or stevia, but both

are very expensive by comparison, and I've yet to find any form of either that

makes one-for-one measure. Some will caution that sucralose can cause you to be

a bit " loose " if you're not used to it, but hey - when you're taking csm all

day, no problema.

I haven't tried doing anything with nut flour myself. There's a restaurant in

town that serves pecan crisps with pears and vinaigre, and they're really tasty.

Really, REALLY tasty! I wonder if they'd make a good substitute for corn chips?

Corn is good and all, but after a while...something different starts to appeal.

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

Serena,

What is humous?? ...to have with chips?

What is sucralose? Do you buy it with that name, sucralose?

You could try 'nut flour' but you couldn't make pasta out of that

either.

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kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...> wrote:

My sugar cravings disappeared with the diflucan, mostly.

Diflucan was a big part of getting rid of the candida overgrowth. I couldn't

tolerate Nystatin at all until I'd been on Diflucan for a month. It IS weird. I

still don't entirely understand the mechanism by which candida can make you

physically crave sugar like that. It's like an addiction. I only know that when

it's gone, the heavy sugar craving goes with it.

Thanks for the details. I am not sure I could follow this, as a dairy allergic

vegan. The

poptatoes around here seem to be all fungus-y anyway, no great loss there.

Hummos is a

staple for us, like chips.

I don't remember the exact wording of it, but I do recall there was some mention

in the book of adjusting for being vegan. I'm not much of a meat-eater myself,

but didn't apply too much thought to it, since I don't have the dairy problem.

Doesn't Lactaid take care of that for you?

BYW, in coops, I have seen whole corn pasta. Platanos are pretty good, but it

isn't easy to

get around here, so I haven't had it for awhile. Sounds like I can change

several things that

could help.

I haven't seen that. I looked pretty closely when I first started shopping for

non-gluten foods. Tried rice pasta. Blehhhh! Worthless stuff. No taste, nasty

texture. Tried quinoa, and that was fine as long as there's a strong sauce on

it, as the grain has a sort of bitter taste. Without either of those, I've

settled for chili pie more than once. (Good thing I like chili pie!)

The grazing thing is interesting. I started eating regular meals after I had

kids to feed

regular meals to, but the thing is, I forget to eat. I'd feed them, but get too

busy. Now they

are big, so I shouldn't have that excuse. The supplements have helped me to get

some

appetite back, too.

Forgetting to eat is only an occasional issue now, though I used to do it all

the time, too. I've had to become so unfortunately aware of what happens when I

expend any energy at all without the means to recover easily, that making sure

to feed and rest the body before and after I try to do anything physical has

become a habit. I can't run on empty any more like I used to. Empty is just a

whole lot emptier than it ever used to be.

I wish I knew a whole lot more about this energy metabolism business, though! I

keep paying attention to it, such as I am able, but I'm sure I still don't know

nearly enough. Trying to understand what happens in a normal body would be a

tall enough order all by itself. Trying to understand all that in the context of

a body that is broken in so darn many places is still over my head. Still

working on it, though.

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Re: amylose

I don't even understand the amylose thing and I have his book. I

usually only skim read things the first time anyway so I need to

reread. I am too thin and haven't been able to rebuild muscle

tissue that I lost last fall, so forgot 'why' avoiding amylose is

good for me. HOWEVER I do remember comment in book " why is the

skinny guy on a diet " , like it wasn't primarily for weight loss but

for people who are overweight it should take weight off. So this

isn't clear to me why he is recommending diet even to 'skinny

people', apparently who have fungal or toxin problems, assuming this

only. I saw Dr Shoemaker and he didn't mention diet to me so

perhaps my health situation he wouldn't recommend. I will ask him

if it isn't clear from going through the book again.

>

> * Why no root vegetables? Because of a high amylose content?

Because they might be moldy?

>

July 2, 2005

I've heard hummous mentioned so much just in the last couple of

months. Couric said she loved it in the last part of show which

is usually a chief cooking something and then some other places but

didn't know what it was. It doesn't sound that good but I will look

for it at grocery. You dip bread in olive oil and then pick up some

hummous with that or olive oil is in the hummous??

--- In , SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@y...>

wrote:

> Hummous is the most yummy thing that ever came out of the Middle

East. Mashed up chickpeas (garbanzo beans) with garlic or herbs

(whatever kind you like) and usually with a bit of lemon juice.

Usually eaten with very good olive oil like a dip for flatbread. You

can usually get it in the deli section of the grocery store, but it's

easy

July 2, 2005

> Doesn't Lactaid take care of that for you?

Nah, that's for the lactose intolerant. I have a bona fide allergy. I hope it

goes away as I get

well, though. I have already improved. It used to cause my throat to swell up

(scary) and

got so bad that even the smell of hot latte swelled it. Now I am getting better,

and just

smelling it won't do that. Smelling hot pizza will, though, and Dr thinks it is

the mold in

the cheese, and the ol'barrel is full thing. Aeh! My brain! Think! Find words!

> Tried rice pasta. Blehhhh!

Let's see....rice pasta...aha! The Chinese grocery has 1/4 inch noodles. You

boil in hot

water just until they get soft- check carefully, they are easy to overcook.

drain and rinse in

cold water...then make the Pad Thai sauce and put the noodles in the pan to fry,

and they

end up being good. Makes an awful mess of the pan, though, needs to soak a

little. My

chinese neighbor taught me about rice noodles. They can be good if they are

done right.

(Good thing I like chili pie!)

Me too!

> Empty is just a whole lot emptier than it ever used to be.

yes.

July 2, 2005

> Worst of it, for me, is trying to mix the csm when I get up. My hands are

still nearly

paralyzed when I wake up, and grasping a spoon is nearly impossible.

My hands are starting to get like that- I think the toxins are going to the

jionts, at least it

feels like that. A nice hot soak with salt helps me quite a bit. I even rub down

with

handsful of salt, and try to leave it on for a few minutes. I have heard a sauna

is even

better. I have only had this from the mold.....

July 2, 2005

Barb, check out the parts on leptin. That's where he explains it. It's probably

more relevant to us where it's discussed in Mold Warriors. I don't know why he

told me to do the no-amylose thing, except I don't think my labs had come back

yet. (This is a one of those very rare cases where I did as I was told without

questioning it to death first. I was herxing bad enough, I'd have eaten live

squirrels if he said so right about then.)

But I don't feel like I'm in any danger of wasting away any time quick.