Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Dave: Yes, now he has changed his opinion. He now says it is not completely closed, but since more material is getting in than going out, it will soon rupture and lead to peritonitis. To avoid this " likelihood " , I must operate it, he says. Actually, he seems to have failed to notice that when I had my gallbladder attacks (so far about 10), the pain has always been centralized exactly at the junction of the common bile duct with the small intestine. According to another doctor, this shows that the pain, lasting a few hours with sweating and malaise, has indeed come from stones attempting to pass into the small intestine and getting stuck at the sphincter. So they have become " common bile duct stones " . It also shows that sufficient material is leaving the gallbladder in direct contrast to what the first doctor said. The massively elevated liver enzymes,including gamma-GTP at about 1000 (normal is 50-70), would certainly seem to indicate some blockage of the common bile duct as well as the cystic duct. I found yesterday that punching a pillow with aggressive force was able to relieve the mild pain I had very quickly. It is a fact that exercise prevents gallstone problems, and I would imagine that exercise of the upper body, as in boxing, is exactly the most beneficial kind for the upper GI tract (whereas football would benefit the colon and lower GI tract). It would tend to dislodge the stones and sludge, as well as toning up the whole biliary tree. So I am thinking of getting a PUNCH BAG to hit. Unless you want to be a professional boxer, please don't hang the bag at eye level where it could rebound and hit your head and eyes: tie it up so that it is at chest height. For the time being, I am going to suspend a soccer ball in a small net and hit that. How many boxers have gallstones? And let's take a PET bottle filled with a solution of 1 tsp of magnesium citrate in water or juice to the ring. I want a clean fight.... Yes, occasional dilation of the ducts with magnesium citrate would help to keep them open so that existing sludge could drain more easily, and stones could pass. In the meantime, we could work on all the stones remaining in the gallbladder with natural substances proven to dissolve gallstones, maybe combined with Actigall (ursodeoxycholic acid). ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Shelden gallstones Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: Re: CLOSURE OF THE GALLBLADDER We hear this type of diagnoses from some MDs all the time. If your gall bladder was completely closed your liver would be swelling up like a baloon. Human fois gras. How does the doc know the stones are sharp? The magnesium in either epsom salts, magnesium citrate, magnesium malate, ect. may relax it enough to open it up. Herbs such as apricot pit, or wild cherry bark might relax it enough too. I personally would recommend a second opinion from another MD and preferably one who is knowledgable about natural therapies. If your gallbladder is truly closed you may have no other choice but to have it removed. I just doubt the diagnosis (I may be wrong), it sounds more like a hysterical explanation by an MD with a stuck paradigm (mabey as closed as your gallbladder supposedly is) as to why he/she is right and why there are supposedly no other options. Again if it is truly completely blocked, act fast. Always, in all ways, -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: silversblue3000<mailto:max@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 6:31 AM Subject: CLOSURE OF THE GALLBLADDER Hi, I have been having serious GB attacks for the last 6 months Ultrasound shows the GB is full of stones. It's chronic cholecystitis and the doc says if they don't remove the GB I'll die from peritonitis due to the sharp stones in there cutting thru the wall. Moreover, the GB is closed, so the stones can't get out and dissolving agents can't get in to dissolve the stones. It's " check-mate " at the moment. Herbs such as dandelion which are normally great for gallstones are contra-indicated in cases of gallbladder closure. The key question for many of us is therefore: what herbs can open the gallbladder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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