Re: Preventing gallbladder rupture: Any supplements?

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From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: Preventing gallbladder rupture: Any supplements?

Hi Dave

Right now, I am trying out crushed raw garlic in a few tablespoons of olive

oil, taken

with a little rice daily, to try and dissolve the stones. Initially for 2

weeks.

My major concern is that even if the stones " liquefy " , pressure build-up

inside the necrotic organ

will rupture it causing peritonitis.

- Really tough little organ. It can balloon out quite a bit without

rupture. Rupture is very rare. Is the organ infected? You mention " necrotic " .

Is it actually so, or is this assumptive? If not infected and not necrotic,

dissolution of stones is most likely a very reasonable goal. Again, I have not

seen the studies showing contact with garlic; this may be difficult through the

digestive process. There are plenty of other agents that are known for possibly

helping the process. The supplements you mention below would be great. The

main ones that come to mind are lecithin, malic acid, plenty of cold pressed

vegetable oils, vitamin c, and a whole bunch of liver/gallbladder herbs. Check

the archives of the group, they are loaded with ideas and successes. As long as

there is flow, you won't have to worry about " pressure " (over stuffed with

material is another thing). Thin, dilute, disolve,eliminate. Survive, thrive,

and celebrate.

I am considering continuing to take taurine to assist solubilization of

cholesterol stones,

but also to prevent rupture of the gallbladder. In your opinion, would

taurine, and maybe

L-carnitine and Coenzyme Q10, help to prevent rupture. I think strengthening

the

gallbladder tissue is just as important as dissolving the stones.

-Keeping it healthy and elastic, yes. -Dave

Best

Max

[Guest guest]

Tina

You say you took garlic for 20 years and still have stones. But Tina,

was this crushed, raw garlic every day? It is apparently recommended

by Dr. Shultze (see website).

Best

Max

PS The Chinese herbalist is upset with me for temporarily discontinuing

her herbs and trying out other things like the raw garlic and " Stone

Dissolve Tea " . Medical sites warn that the gallbladder may perforate

at any time due to an impacted stone for middle-aged and elderly

persons, and the death rate from peritonitis is 15% to 25% even with

surgical intervention. Therefore, they say, early intervention is

best. Of course, damage to bile ducts is fairly frequent during gallbladder

surgery,

so another site tells us that people who had their gallbladder removed are

4 times more likely to die in the 10 years following the surgery than others,

and recommends a second operation to repair such damage.

Chilling prospects. There are so many options it is difficult to know

what to do. Maybe, increase water consumption from 2 glasses per

day to 20 glasses. A Ukrainian website says that 1 in 3 persons in

the Ukraine has chronic cholecystitis, and invites " westerners " to a

clinic which treats it with balneotherapy (spas) and external applications

of ozokerite (a waxy petroleum-derived mineral labeled as " possibly

dangerous " by western websites). It does make you wonder why

everbody in the Ukraine doesn't do this treatment and get better.

A Mongolian website (gallstones are a huge problem in Mongolia)

sells tablets made from ox eyes (Glycovit). Finally, the Chinese herbalist

told me that raw garlic will upset the stomach. Who knows the

truth?

Max

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:41 PM

Subject: Re: Preventing gallbladder rupture: Any supplements?

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: Preventing gallbladder rupture: Any supplements?

Hi Dave

Right now, I am trying out crushed raw garlic in a few tablespoons of olive

oil, taken

with a little rice daily, to try and dissolve the stones. Initially for 2

weeks.

My major concern is that even if the stones " liquefy " , pressure build-up

inside the necrotic organ

will rupture it causing peritonitis.

- Really tough little organ. It can balloon out quite a bit without

rupture. Rupture is very rare. Is the organ infected? You mention " necrotic " .

Is it actually so, or is this assumptive? If not infected and not necrotic,

dissolution of stones is most likely a very reasonable goal. Again, I have not

seen the studies showing contact with garlic; this may be difficult through the

digestive process. There are plenty of other agents that are known for possibly

helping the process. The supplements you mention below would be great. The

main ones that come to mind are lecithin, malic acid, plenty of cold pressed

vegetable oils, vitamin c, and a whole bunch of liver/gallbladder herbs. Check

the archives of the group, they are loaded with ideas and successes. As long as

there is flow, you won't have to worry about " pressure " (over stuffed with

material is another thing). Thin, dilute, disolve,eliminate. Survive, thrive,

and celebrate.

I am considering continuing to take taurine to assist solubilization of

cholesterol stones,

but also to prevent rupture of the gallbladder. In your opinion, would

taurine, and maybe

L-carnitine and Coenzyme Q10, help to prevent rupture. I think

strengthening the

gallbladder tissue is just as important as dissolving the stones.

-Keeping it healthy and elastic, yes. -Dave

Best

Max

[Guest guest]

Dave

The " crushed garlic " /olive oil treatment for 10 days is recommended by the US

herbalist Dr. Shulze.

It was reported on a UK website selling his products that it worked for " a woman

scheduled

for surgery " who completely got rid of all her stones in that time.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:41 PM

Subject: Re: Preventing gallbladder rupture: Any supplements?

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: Preventing gallbladder rupture: Any supplements?

Hi Dave

Right now, I am trying out crushed raw garlic in a few tablespoons of olive

oil, taken

with a little rice daily, to try and dissolve the stones. Initially for 2

weeks.

My major concern is that even if the stones " liquefy " , pressure build-up

inside the necrotic organ

will rupture it causing peritonitis.

- Really tough little organ. It can balloon out quite a bit without

rupture. Rupture is very rare. Is the organ infected? You mention " necrotic " .

Is it actually so, or is this assumptive? If not infected and not necrotic,

dissolution of stones is most likely a very reasonable goal. Again, I have not

seen the studies showing contact with garlic; this may be difficult through the

digestive process. There are plenty of other agents that are known for possibly

helping the process. The supplements you mention below would be great. The

main ones that come to mind are lecithin, malic acid, plenty of cold pressed

vegetable oils, vitamin c, and a whole bunch of liver/gallbladder herbs. Check

the archives of the group, they are loaded with ideas and successes. As long as

there is flow, you won't have to worry about " pressure " (over stuffed with

material is another thing). Thin, dilute, disolve,eliminate. Survive, thrive,

and celebrate.

I am considering continuing to take taurine to assist solubilization of

cholesterol stones,

but also to prevent rupture of the gallbladder. In your opinion, would

taurine, and maybe

L-carnitine and Coenzyme Q10, help to prevent rupture. I think

strengthening the

gallbladder tissue is just as important as dissolving the stones.

-Keeping it healthy and elastic, yes. -Dave

Best

Max

[Guest guest]

Dave

I don't know whether it is infected. As for necrotic, all gallbladders in a

state of chronic cholecystitis are said to be " fibrotic and necrotic " , which is

why I assumed it was " necrotic " . To repair this organ, it would be required to

reverse the

process of fibrosis. It becomes necrotic apparently because one of the

gallbladder arteries which terminates at

the gallbladder itself becomes thrombotic (arterial thrombosis). In other

words, I suppose, blood supply to the

gallbladder is cut off. How to re-establish the supply, and reverse the

fibrosis, are key to restoring the organ.

Best

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Shelden

gallstones

Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:41 PM

Subject: Re: Preventing gallbladder rupture: Any supplements?

----- Original Message -----

From: max<mailto:max@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: Preventing gallbladder rupture: Any supplements?

Hi Dave

Right now, I am trying out crushed raw garlic in a few tablespoons of olive

oil, taken

with a little rice daily, to try and dissolve the stones. Initially for 2

weeks.

My major concern is that even if the stones " liquefy " , pressure build-up

inside the necrotic organ

will rupture it causing peritonitis.

- Really tough little organ. It can balloon out quite a bit without

rupture. Rupture is very rare. Is the organ infected? You mention " necrotic " .

Is it actually so, or is this assumptive? If not infected and not necrotic,

dissolution of stones is most likely a very reasonable goal. Again, I have not

seen the studies showing contact with garlic; this may be difficult through the

digestive process. There are plenty of other agents that are known for possibly

helping the process. The supplements you mention below would be great. The

main ones that come to mind are lecithin, malic acid, plenty of cold pressed

vegetable oils, vitamin c, and a whole bunch of liver/gallbladder herbs. Check

the archives of the group, they are loaded with ideas and successes. As long as

there is flow, you won't have to worry about " pressure " (over stuffed with

material is another thing). Thin, dilute, disolve,eliminate. Survive, thrive,

and celebrate.

I am considering continuing to take taurine to assist solubilization of

cholesterol stones,

but also to prevent rupture of the gallbladder. In your opinion, would

taurine, and maybe

L-carnitine and Coenzyme Q10, help to prevent rupture. I think

strengthening the

gallbladder tissue is just as important as dissolving the stones.

-Keeping it healthy and elastic, yes. -Dave

Best

Max

[Guest guest]

yes--I am being totally honest--we Italians use garlic and onions in

almost everything we make--from salads, soups, sauces. I go through a

big jar of crushed at least once a month or more (the size you buy at

Costco). And I bake whole cloves in the oven and even grow it in my

yard---.

My great grandfather would eat it raw everyday.

So I don't know but will continue to figure out why I have them.

It's very weird because my lipid profile is very low as well---

cholesterol at 156 --hdl at 54 --ldl at 86 and ratio at 2.9--range

starts at ( 2.5 to 4.5) my triglycerides are 88 --so go figure.

It must be my low acid ---???????

I just ordered these products and I am going to do another flush in a

week (doing them two weeks apart) I am still in pain after two of

them. Has anyone used these products?? thanks tina

http://www.vitacost.com

NSI Vegetarian Digestive Enzymes -- 90 Caps (835003000388) 1

$14.99 $14.99

Nature's Secret Ultimate Cleanse Kit -- 120 Tabs (732391500820) 1

$15.99 $15.99

Twinlab Betaine Hcl with Pepsin -- 100 Caps (027434015066) 1 $7.59

$7.59

> Tina

> You say you took garlic for 20 years and still have stones. But

Tina,

> was this crushed, raw garlic every day? It is apparently

recommended

> by Dr. Shultze (see website).

> Best

> Max

> PS The Chinese herbalist is upset with me for temporarily

discontinuing

> her herbs and trying out other things like the raw garlic and " Stone

> Dissolve Tea " . Medical sites warn that the gallbladder may

perforate

> at any time due to an impacted stone for middle-aged and elderly

> persons, and the death rate from peritonitis is 15% to 25% even with

> surgical intervention. Therefore, they say, early intervention is

> best. Of course, damage to bile ducts is fairly frequent during

gallbladder surgery,

> so another site tells us that people who had their gallbladder

removed are

> 4 times more likely to die in the 10 years following the surgery

than others,

> and recommends a second operation to repair such damage.

> Chilling prospects. There are so many options it is difficult to

know

> what to do. Maybe, increase water consumption from 2 glasses per

> day to 20 glasses. A Ukrainian website says that 1 in 3 persons in

> the Ukraine has chronic cholecystitis, and invites " westerners " to a

> clinic which treats it with balneotherapy (spas) and external

applications

> of ozokerite (a waxy petroleum-derived mineral labeled as " possibly

> dangerous " by western websites). It does make you wonder why

> everbody in the Ukraine doesn't do this treatment and get better.

> A Mongolian website (gallstones are a huge problem in Mongolia)

> sells tablets made from ox eyes (Glycovit). Finally, the Chinese

herbalist

> told me that raw garlic will upset the stomach. Who knows the

> truth?

> Max

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Dave Shelden

> gallstones

> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:41 PM

> Subject: Re: Preventing gallbladder rupture: Any

supplements?

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: max<mailto:max@k...>

> To:

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 11:18 AM

> Subject: Re: Preventing gallbladder rupture: Any

supplements?

>

>

> Hi Dave

> Right now, I am trying out crushed raw garlic in a few

tablespoons of olive oil, taken

> with a little rice daily, to try and dissolve the stones.

Initially for 2 weeks.

> My major concern is that even if the stones " liquefy " , pressure

build-up inside the necrotic organ

> will rupture it causing peritonitis.

> - Really tough little organ. It can balloon out quite a

bit without rupture. Rupture is very rare. Is the organ infected?

You mention " necrotic " . Is it actually so, or is this assumptive?

If not infected and not necrotic, dissolution of stones is most

likely a very reasonable goal. Again, I have not seen the studies

showing contact with garlic; this may be difficult through the

digestive process. There are plenty of other agents that are known

for possibly helping the process. The supplements you mention below

would be great. The main ones that come to mind are lecithin, malic

acid, plenty of cold pressed vegetable oils, vitamin c, and a whole

bunch of liver/gallbladder herbs. Check the archives of the group,

they are loaded with ideas and successes. As long as there is flow,

you won't have to worry about " pressure " (over stuffed with material

is another thing). Thin, dilute, disolve,eliminate. Survive,

thrive, and celebrate.

>

> I am considering continuing to take taurine to assist

solubilization of cholesterol stones,

> but also to prevent rupture of the gallbladder. In your

opinion, would taurine, and maybe

> L-carnitine and Coenzyme Q10, help to prevent rupture. I

think strengthening the

> gallbladder tissue is just as important as dissolving the

stones.

>

> -Keeping it healthy and elastic, yes. -Dave

> Best

> Max

>

>

>