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Jo,

     I am so sorry to hear about the struggles Bayly continues to go through.

Poor little guy does not seem to catch many breaks. I am also sorry to hear

about the other support group you are involved in that seems to be having those

problems. It's so hard when you hear about things like that because it totally

tarnishes the groups purpose. For so many of us we have been apart of this group

for years I think I was sixteen when I joined this message board and now I am

twenty four years old. Sometimes I was more active on the board and sometimes

not so much, college and work and just attempting to be a " normal " teen and

young adult would keep away for short bouts, but I always knew that there was an

extended family here that I knew and loved that would support me in my time of

need. I have had so much support on this message board I could never put into

words how much all of you have impacted me and not just the support for the JA.

When I applied to

college and I recieved tons of encouragement, when I graduated highschool and

college and got into gradschool the love, support, and congratulations I got was

imense, when I went into a medicated remission you all rejoiced with me, when

the disease relapsed you all sent your love and prayers, and when I went through

my mother being diagnosed with cancer and passing away you all were there by my

side no matter how many hundreds or thousands of miles seperated us. This

message board is my extended family and I love you all so much. It sadens me

that you have experienced people using a message board for something else

because the immense support, love, understanding, and encouragement is more than

anyone can ask for. I will be keeping little Bayly in my thoughts and prayers

and hope they can bump him up on the tonsilectomy list and that he gets some

much needed relief.

With Love

(MCTD, 24)

From: Jo & Grant <joking70@...>

Subject: bit bewildered here

Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 9:24 AM

G'day all,

Long time, no post, hey?! But I've been reading the daily digest, and

feel blessed to be keeping in touch with some very special special

people on this list.

Truth is, I've been feeling a bit burned by a similar so-called support

system here. Some of the very people who have been sharing this JIA

journey for the past few years have not been very 'supportive' to

others. In fact, I get the distinct impression that some of them have

for whatever reason decided (and I hope to God it's not a conscious

decision) to get something out of their child being ill. I'm not talking

Munchausen-by- proxy or anything, more like a " let's see what we can get

for free " type of thing. And to be honest, it's making me sick to my

stomach. We are all very blessed to have groups or charitable

organisations that offer little things to sometimes take the sting out

of a serious condition, and most people I have met appreciate this most

gratefully.. . but when people seem to be seeking more and more, or bring

an entourage along, or act put out if they miss out on one of these such

events, well, I just shake my head and feel hurt in my heart. And when

someone reaches out to a support group, and gets criticised by others

for seeking support (or just having a vent), then I have to ask whether

some truly understand the meaning of 'support'.

So I've been trying to lay low, stick with those who really do have the

children's best interests at heart, and still work towards making a

difference for kids with arthritis the way I know best. Sadly, sometimes

even that feels like it's frowned upon.

Apologies if this seems like a pity-party, but I'm hoping to find the

support I need right now. Especially since it's now after 4am and I've

been up for two hours with my sick little boy (hubby took the early

shift and is now snoring in the next room while Bayly struggles for

breath next to me in my bed here). Bayly's tonsils are up yet again, his

nose is blocked yet again, and he's having 'obstructive sleep apnoea'

episodes. He keeps stopping breathing for around 3-7 seconds at a time,

2-3 times a minute. Couple of times I've had to give him a little shake

to start again. It's scary. This is what our nights have been like a

lot lately. Poor little fella's had things rubbed on him, squirted up

his nose, extra doses of Pred. We've had doctors' appointments squeezed

in, and now the thinking is to book him in to whip out the offending

tonsils, but of course there's a wait list! ;-) I'm really thankful my

husband is here tonight (he usually works night shift), so at least he

got the earlier shift with Bayly and I got a bit of sleep! :-D

Hugs to all, hope the Christmas cards arrive safely to those whose

addresses we had.

And thanks.

Jo

Bayly, 6, extended oligo

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Hi Jo,

   I am so sorry to hear that you have to be on a list to have Bayly has to be

on a waiting list to have his tonsils removed, even more sorry that he has to

suffer with sleep apnea because of it.

   My daughter Maggie has been on a CPAP machine for a few months now. She had a

sleep test done and stopped breathing on the average of 14.2 times in an hour. I

had no idea that this was going on just noticed her waking up gasping for air

and sleeping on and off all day long in little spurts. The CPAP machine has been

a wonderful addition in her life, it is a bit of a hassle to get used to at

first (at least it was for her, she is 11) but now it has just become part of

her nightly routine.

  Would something like this be possible for you to rent until your sons tonsils

can be removed? It does keep the airways open, espeically in an obstructive

airway situation.

  We will keep your family in our prayers that something changes for you and

soon!! Have you tried elevating his bed or having him sleep on his side? This

did help my daughter a little bit too.

  Until then, try and stay strong!

    Diane and Maggie

  

From: Jo & Grant <joking70aapt (DOT) net.au>

Subject: bit bewildered here

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Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 9:24 AM

G'day all,

Long time, no post, hey?! But I've been reading the daily digest, and

feel blessed to be keeping in touch with some very special special

people on this list.

Truth is, I've been feeling a bit burned by a similar so-called support

system here. Some of the very people who have been sharing this JIA

journey for the past few years have not been very 'supportive' to

others. In fact, I get the distinct impression that some of them have

for whatever reason decided (and I hope to God it's not a conscious

decision) to get something out of their child being ill. I'm not talking

Munchausen-by- proxy or anything, more like a " let's see what we can get

for free " type of thing. And to be honest, it's making me sick to my

stomach. We are all very blessed to have groups or charitable

organisations that offer little things to sometimes take the sting out

of a serious condition, and most people I have met appreciate this most

gratefully.. . but when people seem to be seeking more and more, or bring

an entourage along, or act put out if they miss out on one of these such

events, well, I just shake my head and feel hurt in my heart. And when

someone reaches out to a support group, and gets criticised by others

for seeking support (or just having a vent), then I have to ask whether

some truly understand the meaning of 'support'.

So I've been trying to lay low, stick with those who really do have the

children's best interests at heart, and still work towards making a

difference for kids with arthritis the way I know best. Sadly, sometimes

even that feels like it's frowned upon.

Apologies if this seems like a pity-party, but I'm hoping to find the

support I need right now. Especially since it's now after 4am and I've

been up for two hours with my sick little boy (hubby took the early

shift and is now snoring in the next room while Bayly struggles for

breath next to me in my bed here). Bayly's tonsils are up yet again, his

nose is blocked yet again, and he's having 'obstructive sleep apnoea'

episodes. He keeps stopping breathing for around 3-7 seconds at a time,

2-3 times a minute. Couple of times I've had to give him a little shake

to start again. It's scary. This is what our nights have been like a

lot lately. Poor little fella's had things rubbed on him, squirted up

his nose, extra doses of Pred. We've had doctors' appointments squeezed

in, and now the thinking is to book him in to whip out the offending

tonsils, but of course there's a wait list! ;-) I'm really thankful my

husband is here tonight (he usually works night shift), so at least he

got the earlier shift with Bayly and I got a bit of sleep! :-D

Hugs to all, hope the Christmas cards arrive safely to those whose

addresses we had.

And thanks.

Jo

Bayly, 6, extended oligo

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Jo,

There is simply nothing more frightening than seeing your child not

be able to breathe (I have a two year old with asthma too). I feel

very sad for you right now --- want to send you a big hug. I have

been in that " dark place " where I have felt very alone too. It is so

hard to be up all hours and to be in the midst of dealing with your

child's medical issues, but then to not be understood by others that

are suppose to be offering you love and support....well, that's quite

a slap in the face as a mom when you are doing so much.

I send my prayers to and you. You can vent here anytime. We

DO get it here. We offer only love and support...

-Hadley (Isabelle, 4 yrs. JRA)

>

>

> G'day all,

>

> Long time, no post, hey?! But I've been reading the daily digest,

and

> feel blessed to be keeping in touch with some very special special

> people on this list.

>

> Truth is, I've been feeling a bit burned by a similar so-called

support

> system here. Some of the very people who have been sharing this JIA

> journey for the past few years have not been very 'supportive' to

> others. In fact, I get the distinct impression that some of them

have

> for whatever reason decided (and I hope to God it's not a conscious

> decision) to get something out of their child being ill. I'm not

talking

> Munchausen-by-proxy or anything, more like a " let's see what we can

get

> for free " type of thing. And to be honest, it's making me sick to

my

> stomach. We are all very blessed to have groups or charitable

> organisations that offer little things to sometimes take the sting

out

> of a serious condition, and most people I have met appreciate this

most

> gratefully... but when people seem to be seeking more and more, or

bring

> an entourage along, or act put out if they miss out on one of these

such

> events, well, I just shake my head and feel hurt in my heart. And

when

> someone reaches out to a support group, and gets criticised by

others

> for seeking support (or just having a vent), then I have to ask

whether

> some truly understand the meaning of 'support'.

>

> So I've been trying to lay low, stick with those who really do have

the

> children's best interests at heart, and still work towards making a

> difference for kids with arthritis the way I know best. Sadly,

sometimes

> even that feels like it's frowned upon.

>

> Apologies if this seems like a pity-party, but I'm hoping to find

the

> support I need right now. Especially since it's now after 4am and

I've

> been up for two hours with my sick little boy (hubby took the early

> shift and is now snoring in the next room while Bayly struggles for

> breath next to me in my bed here). Bayly's tonsils are up yet

again, his

> nose is blocked yet again, and he's having 'obstructive sleep

apnoea'

> episodes. He keeps stopping breathing for around 3-7 seconds at a

time,

> 2-3 times a minute. Couple of times I've had to give him a little

shake

> to start again. It's scary. This is what our nights have been

like a

> lot lately. Poor little fella's had things rubbed on him, squirted

up

> his nose, extra doses of Pred. We've had doctors' appointments

squeezed

> in, and now the thinking is to book him in to whip out the offending

> tonsils, but of course there's a wait list! ;-) I'm really thankful

my

> husband is here tonight (he usually works night shift), so at least

he

> got the earlier shift with Bayly and I got a bit of sleep! :-D

>

> Hugs to all, hope the Christmas cards arrive safely to those whose

> addresses we had.

>

> And thanks.

>

> Jo

>

> Bayly, 6, extended oligo

>

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all i can give now are some silly little Cyber hugs just to say Im reading

and thinking of you all ((((( )))))))

Issadora

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:30 PM, hadley_messner <hmessner@...>wrote:

> Jo,

>

> There is simply nothing more frightening than seeing your child not

> be able to breathe (I have a two year old with asthma too). I feel

> very sad for you right now --- want to send you a big hug. I have

> been in that " dark place " where I have felt very alone too. It is so

> hard to be up all hours and to be in the midst of dealing with your

> child's medical issues, but then to not be understood by others that

> are suppose to be offering you love and support....well, that's quite

> a slap in the face as a mom when you are doing so much.

>

> I send my prayers to and you. You can vent here anytime. We

> DO get it here. We offer only love and support...

>

> -Hadley (Isabelle, 4 yrs. JRA)

>

>

> >

> >

> > G'day all,

> >

> > Long time, no post, hey?! But I've been reading the daily digest,

> and

> > feel blessed to be keeping in touch with some very special special

> > people on this list.

> >

> > Truth is, I've been feeling a bit burned by a similar so-called

> support

> > system here. Some of the very people who have been sharing this JIA

> > journey for the past few years have not been very 'supportive' to

> > others. In fact, I get the distinct impression that some of them

> have

> > for whatever reason decided (and I hope to God it's not a conscious

> > decision) to get something out of their child being ill. I'm not

> talking

> > Munchausen-by-proxy or anything, more like a " let's see what we can

> get

> > for free " type of thing. And to be honest, it's making me sick to

> my

> > stomach. We are all very blessed to have groups or charitable

> > organisations that offer little things to sometimes take the sting

> out

> > of a serious condition, and most people I have met appreciate this

> most

> > gratefully... but when people seem to be seeking more and more, or

> bring

> > an entourage along, or act put out if they miss out on one of these

> such

> > events, well, I just shake my head and feel hurt in my heart. And

> when

> > someone reaches out to a support group, and gets criticised by

> others

> > for seeking support (or just having a vent), then I have to ask

> whether

> > some truly understand the meaning of 'support'.

> >

> > So I've been trying to lay low, stick with those who really do have

> the

> > children's best interests at heart, and still work towards making a

> > difference for kids with arthritis the way I know best. Sadly,

> sometimes

> > even that feels like it's frowned upon.

> >

> > Apologies if this seems like a pity-party, but I'm hoping to find

> the

> > support I need right now. Especially since it's now after 4am and

> I've

> > been up for two hours with my sick little boy (hubby took the early

> > shift and is now snoring in the next room while Bayly struggles for

> > breath next to me in my bed here). Bayly's tonsils are up yet

> again, his

> > nose is blocked yet again, and he's having 'obstructive sleep

> apnoea'

> > episodes. He keeps stopping breathing for around 3-7 seconds at a

> time,

> > 2-3 times a minute. Couple of times I've had to give him a little

> shake

> > to start again. It's scary. This is what our nights have been

> like a

> > lot lately. Poor little fella's had things rubbed on him, squirted

> up

> > his nose, extra doses of Pred. We've had doctors' appointments

> squeezed

> > in, and now the thinking is to book him in to whip out the offending

> > tonsils, but of course there's a wait list! ;-) I'm really thankful

> my

> > husband is here tonight (he usually works night shift), so at least

> he

> > got the earlier shift with Bayly and I got a bit of sleep! :-D

> >

> > Hugs to all, hope the Christmas cards arrive safely to those whose

> > addresses we had.

> >

> > And thanks.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > Bayly, 6, extended oligo

> >

>

>

>

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you are willing to give up being a caterpillar. "

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Hi Jo! I was just thinking of you guys the other day, and realizing you

hadn't posted in awhile. Sorry to hear you're having some troubles, and

I fully understand the need to sometimes just step away for a bit. I am

glad you feel comfortable to post your " vent " here - definitely not a

pity party my dear! Having been involved with lots of different

volunteer type organizations myself over the years, I can completely

understand how you feel. I cannot understand criticizing someone for

looking for support. If you can't help the person, or question their

motives, the best thing in my opinion is to just not speak (or post).

The old " if you can't say something nice... " thing. I hope things

improve for you soon in that department.

On to the tonsils- we had the exact same thing with my youngest. It is

so scary to hear them stop breathing like that. Thank God, once it was

discovered we were able to get them out quickly. It was the best thing

we ever did. She was able to sleep through the night and was much better

rested for school. She had probably had the problem for quite awhile

when we realized what was happening. We made a sleep tape (recorded the

sounds she made while sleeping) and brought it in to the ear, nose,

throat specialist. One listen and she diagnosed it and the operation was

scheduled for the next week. Having the tape when we went in for the

first visit really helped. I recommend getting the tonsils out.

Please let us know how things are going. I am sending out my cards this

week, so hopefully you will get it soon! Michele ( 21, spondy)

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Behalf Of Jo & Grant

Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:24 AM

Subject: bit bewildered here

G'day all,

Long time, no post, hey?! But I've been reading the daily digest, and

feel blessed to be keeping in touch with some very special special

people on this list.

Truth is, I've been feeling a bit burned by a similar so-called support

system here. Some of the very people who have been sharing this JIA

journey for the past few years have not been very 'supportive' to

others. In fact, I get the distinct impression that some of them have

for whatever reason decided (and I hope to God it's not a conscious

decision) to get something out of their child being ill. I'm not talking

Munchausen-by-proxy or anything, more like a " let's see what we can get

for free " type of thing. And to be honest, it's making me sick to my

stomach. We are all very blessed to have groups or charitable

organisations that offer little things to sometimes take the sting out

of a serious condition, and most people I have met appreciate this most

gratefully... but when people seem to be seeking more and more, or bring

an entourage along, or act put out if they miss out on one of these such

events, well, I just shake my head and feel hurt in my heart. And when

someone reaches out to a support group, and gets criticised by others

for seeking support (or just having a vent), then I have to ask whether

some truly understand the meaning of 'support'.

So I've been trying to lay low, stick with those who really do have the

children's best interests at heart, and still work towards making a

difference for kids with arthritis the way I know best. Sadly, sometimes

even that feels like it's frowned upon.

Apologies if this seems like a pity-party, but I'm hoping to find the

support I need right now. Especially since it's now after 4am and I've

been up for two hours with my sick little boy (hubby took the early

shift and is now snoring in the next room while Bayly struggles for

breath next to me in my bed here). Bayly's tonsils are up yet again, his

nose is blocked yet again, and he's having 'obstructive sleep apnoea'

episodes. He keeps stopping breathing for around 3-7 seconds at a time,

2-3 times a minute. Couple of times I've had to give him a little shake

to start again. It's scary. This is what our nights have been like a

lot lately. Poor little fella's had things rubbed on him, squirted up

his nose, extra doses of Pred. We've had doctors' appointments squeezed

in, and now the thinking is to book him in to whip out the offending

tonsils, but of course there's a wait list! ;-) I'm really thankful my

husband is here tonight (he usually works night shift), so at least he

got the earlier shift with Bayly and I got a bit of sleep! :-D

Hugs to all, hope the Christmas cards arrive safely to those whose

addresses we had.

And thanks.

Jo

Bayly, 6, extended oligo

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Hi Michele - and everyone else who's got in touch with us here and

privately [:)]

Thanks for the response, I knew I could count on you guys to send some

support and love! I have simply tried to offer my support when I think

it would be wanted, and drawn it from those who I feel are genuine with

theirs. It just hurts when things like this happen amongst 'friends'.

We've had a couple more sleepless nights since I last posted. The

trouble is getting into the ENT specialist to have him request the op.

We did see him Dec 27 '07, and while he thought Bayly's tonsils were

" juicy " and way larger than normal, he wanted a sleep test to see if

there was sufficient apnoea to warrant removal. So we did that about

June this year which wasn't 100% accurate, due to technical problems at

the hospital, and Bayly being awake most of the night due to the totally

different sleep set-up. So the ENT decided that he'd wait and see.

Anyway, long story short- I videoed Bayly on my camera 'phone a few

weeks ago, took it to the Paediatrician who immediately said he'd

definitely recommend a tonsilectomy (spelling?). Then my 'phone died in

spectacular fashion, erasing the SIM card as it went, including the

footage. So I borrowed a friend's phone to film Bay last Friday night,

and have it ready to go again for the doctor....whenever we can get in!

It IS scary, I'm getting even less sleep than usual (and this is coming

from a chronic insomniac LOL!). I appreciate the suggestions that've

come from the group here, and we're trying everything for Bayly. Poor

little mite is cactus the day after these bad nights. And grumpy to go

with it, understandably. Oh and to add more fun to the mix- his best

friends from Kindy are currently covered in Chickenpox, so we're

watching out for that too now.

*sigh* As another mum said to me the other day- JIA: the gift that keeps

on giving!! [:P]

BIG Christmas Hugs to all our friends!!!! Tis Christmas Eve here, and

the fat man in red rides again tonight! Glad to hear that the cards are

arriving. It's so weird to chat with friends in amidst snowstorms, while

our kids play in the pool. [:D]

Jo

Bayly, 6, extended oligo

> Hi Jo! I was just thinking of you guys the other day, and realizing

you> hadn't posted in awhile. Sorry to hear you're having some troubles,

and> I fully understand the need to sometimes just step away for a bit.

I am> glad you feel comfortable to post your " vent " here - definitely

not a> pity party my dear! Having been involved with lots of different>

volunteer type organizations myself over the years, I can completely>

understand how you feel. I cannot understand criticizing someone for

> looking for support. If you can't help the person, or question their>

motives, the best thing in my opinion is to just not speak (or post).>

The old " if you can't say something nice... " thing. I hope things>

improve for you soon in that department.

>

> On to the tonsils- we had the exact same thing with my youngest. It

is> so scary to hear them stop breathing like that. Thank God, once it

was> discovered we were able to get them out quickly. It was the best

thing> we ever did. She was able to sleep through the night and was much

better> rested for school. She had probably had the problem for quite

awhile> when we realized what was happening. We made a sleep tape

(recorded the> sounds she made while sleeping) and brought it in to the

ear, nose,> throat specialist. One listen and she diagnosed it and the

operation was> scheduled for the next week. Having the tape when we went

in for the> first visit really helped. I recommend getting the tonsils

out. >

> Please let us know how things are going. I am sending out my cards

this> week, so hopefully you will get it soon! Michele ( 21,

spondy)

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JIA- The gift that keeps on giving!! OMG... ROFL!!!!!! LOLOL hahahaha...

gtrrrrrreat!!!! It's so true....

I hope he gets the surgery soon. I had my tonsils out for the same

reasons..kept getting tonsillitis and strep over and over and over again....

it was horrible.... My mom said i never even bothered to cry even as a baby

with my ear infections and throat infections... she knew I was sick b/c I

didn't eat ... =/ They took my tonsils and adenoids out when i was aorund 7

and apparently a big infection was hiden behind my tonsils even at that

time! Mine were big and 'juicy' apparently as well... yuk.... I don't

remember much about the surgery .... i remember the gas and them flavoring

it with Mint of all things I picked that... I will never ever forget that

sensation... I felt like i had mint coming out of every fascial orfice! It

was 'crazy making.' Tons of ice pops after, juice and jello.... and never

again did i have a serious infection.... tonsils never 'grew back' or any

of the other wild stuff I have heard out there. :) No adenoids either.... no

snoring.. wheeee lol.

Urgh about the Pox!! Hope he doesn't get those on top of all else..... again

about the gift that keeps on giving.... i got pox but we never knew about it

somehow... but lattter I got shingles... and that we knew about... Ouch!

Immune compromised sucks.... :(

That's pretty funny about the camera phone.. eracing the card and all..

sounds like something I would do!!!

If they have to do a sleep test again, could hey arrange to do it a your

home? Or in a home like setting? I Know that they do that at some places???

I had the sameissue as Bayly last time I had a sleep study. It was in a

hospital... and I just couldn't go to sleep at all..... I thought it was a

waste in the end because I didn't really get any sleep but I know some

places hve really nice comfortable set ups that make people feel much more

relaxed and able to sleep like they are going off on a little vacation or

something...

Anyways good fortune and keep us all updated please....

Issadora

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Jo & Grant <joking70@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Michele - and everyone else who's got in touch with us here and

> privately [:)]

>

> Thanks for the response, I knew I could count on you guys to send some

> support and love! I have simply tried to offer my support when I think

> it would be wanted, and drawn it from those who I feel are genuine with

> theirs. It just hurts when things like this happen amongst 'friends'.

>

> We've had a couple more sleepless nights since I last posted. The

> trouble is getting into the ENT specialist to have him request the op.

> We did see him Dec 27 '07, and while he thought Bayly's tonsils were

> " juicy " and way larger than normal, he wanted a sleep test to see if

> there was sufficient apnoea to warrant removal. So we did that about

> June this year which wasn't 100% accurate, due to technical problems at

> the hospital, and Bayly being awake most of the night due to the totally

> different sleep set-up. So the ENT decided that he'd wait and see.

>

> Anyway, long story short- I videoed Bayly on my camera 'phone a few

> weeks ago, took it to the Paediatrician who immediately said he'd

> definitely recommend a tonsilectomy (spelling?). Then my 'phone died in

> spectacular fashion, erasing the SIM card as it went, including the

> footage. So I borrowed a friend's phone to film Bay last Friday night,

> and have it ready to go again for the doctor....whenever we can get in!

>

> It IS scary, I'm getting even less sleep than usual (and this is coming

> from a chronic insomniac LOL!). I appreciate the suggestions that've

> come from the group here, and we're trying everything for Bayly. Poor

> little mite is cactus the day after these bad nights. And grumpy to go

> with it, understandably. Oh and to add more fun to the mix- his best

> friends from Kindy are currently covered in Chickenpox, so we're

> watching out for that too now.

>

> *sigh* As another mum said to me the other day- JIA: the gift that keeps

> on giving!! [:P]

>

> BIG Christmas Hugs to all our friends!!!! Tis Christmas Eve here, and

> the fat man in red rides again tonight! Glad to hear that the cards are

> arriving. It's so weird to chat with friends in amidst snowstorms, while

> our kids play in the pool. [:D]

>

> Jo

>

> Bayly, 6, extended oligo

>

>

> > Hi Jo! I was just thinking of you guys the other day, and realizing

> you> hadn't posted in awhile. Sorry to hear you're having some troubles,

> and> I fully understand the need to sometimes just step away for a bit.

> I am> glad you feel comfortable to post your " vent " here - definitely

> not a> pity party my dear! Having been involved with lots of different>

> volunteer type organizations myself over the years, I can completely>

> understand how you feel. I cannot understand criticizing someone for

> > looking for support. If you can't help the person, or question their>

> motives, the best thing in my opinion is to just not speak (or post).>

> The old " if you can't say something nice... " thing. I hope things>

> improve for you soon in that department.

> >

> > On to the tonsils- we had the exact same thing with my youngest. It

> is> so scary to hear them stop breathing like that. Thank God, once it

> was> discovered we were able to get them out quickly. It was the best

> thing> we ever did. She was able to sleep through the night and was much

> better> rested for school. She had probably had the problem for quite

> awhile> when we realized what was happening. We made a sleep tape

> (recorded the> sounds she made while sleeping) and brought it in to the

> ear, nose,> throat specialist. One listen and she diagnosed it and the

> operation was> scheduled for the next week. Having the tape when we went

> in for the> first visit really helped. I recommend getting the tonsils

> out. >

>

> > Please let us know how things are going. I am sending out my cards

> this> week, so hopefully you will get it soon! Michele ( 21,

> spondy)

>

>

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Hello Jo and Bayly...I hope this finds you in better spirits and Mr.Bayly

feeling better. I will say a prayer that gets the lil guy to his tonsil removal

and better days ahead. As or the support stuff Jo, I feel your pain. I have been

at this stuff since 1998. I have been with the Af, left the Af, went back to the

Af and once again I find myself debating what to do. It seems to come at you

from both sides sometimes. Sometimes I felt the mission from the Af was worng as

I did some of the families. I am here for folks like yourself and your little

ones and for the 's , the 's and 's who come behind me. I, too

have faced the dilemma of families who did only what they did in the support

system for the " freebies " . Very sad. Support can mean many things but dont take

advantage of it. We use to have a Holiday Party for our kids and it got to where

we only seen?certain families at that time and absolutely no other and some

would bring cousins, neighbors, etc. it was too much. Now do not get me wrong we

had families who this was their Christmas. We knew who who was.......it gets

discouraging but do as I do and remind yourself why you are doing what you are

doin and know you are so, so appreciated ...if not by all at least some and it

is those some who need you..................

hang tight my friend and have a blessed holiday!

Donna

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