NEW and confused

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In a message dated 3/30/01 7:41:24 AM GTB Daylight Time, sandym@...

writes:

<<

Sheri, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't breastfeeding protect against

Hib? Don't take my word for it - and I'll do some research when I get a

chance. Sandy from Alaska >>

Yes it does.Sorry no links,Anyone?

[Guest guest]

Sheri, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't breastfeeding protect against Hib?

Don't take my word for it - and I'll do some research when I get a chance.

Sandy from Alaska

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HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

New and confused

I wanted to introduce myself. I found this group from Mothering

Magazine's discussion boards. I have 3 children (5, 21'2, and

2mths). My 5yr daughter has been vac. but we stopped doing boosters

and any new vacs. at her 5yr checkup. My son has also been vac. We

started to read a little more about vacs. and I became concerned. I

will read one thing here and something conflicting there. I want to

educate myself as much as I can so I can feel very confident about

our decision.

My 2 mth had her well visit yesturday and I decided not to do any

vacs. but the dr. really wants me to think about the hib. This all

still pretty new to me so I am confused. She is breastfed and I stay

at home.

It was great having a homebirth and working with like minded

midwives. I just wish that I could find that same experience working

with a pediatrician.

Kelli

[Guest guest]

This is why I will NEVER understand why any woman would CHOOSE formula over

breast....

" ... There is also interesting evidence for an enhanced protection remaining

for years after lactation against diarrhea, respiratory tract infections,

otitis media, Haemophilus influenzae type b infections, and wheezing

illness. In several instances the protection seems to improve with the

duration of breastfeeding. Some, but not all studies have shown better

vaccine responses among breastfed than non-breastfed infants. A few factors

in milk like anti-antibodies (anti-idiotypic antibodies) and T and B

lymphocytes have in some experimental models been able to transfer priming

of the breastfed offspring. This together with transfer of numerous

cytokines and growth factors via milk may add to an active stimulation of

the infant's immune system. Consequently, the infant might respond better to

both infections and vaccines. Such an enhanced function could also explain

why breastfeeding may protect against immunologic diseases like coeliac

disease and possibly allergy. "

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>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: New and confused

>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:14:00 EST

>

>In a message dated 3/30/01 7:41:24 AM GTB Daylight Time,

>sandym@...

>writes:

>

><<

> Sheri, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't breastfeeding protect against

>Hib? Don't take my word for it - and I'll do some research when I get a

>chance. Sandy from Alaska >>

>Yes it does.Sorry no links,Anyone?

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At 07:34 PM 03/29/2001 -0900, you wrote:

>Sheri, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't breastfeeding protect against

Hib? Don't take my word for it - and I'll do some research when I get a

chance. Sandy from Alaska

>

Yes, I asked if she was breastfeeding.

Rarely does a breastfeeding baby get hib and also if NOT in daycare.

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Welcome, I really worry about people how continue to drink after being told they have Hepc. Maybe it is time to make a life change. Change of diet and lifestyle so that you can live. Ladonna

[Guest guest]

I have many friends that do not drink since I do not drink or do drugs. I have many who worry about me and check up on me. They really care about me. Everyone on this support group helps even if they don't know they do. I give thanks to each one. I found in the world of partying no one is your friend when times are rough. Each time I hear of someone passing to the other world that has HepC it really hurts. I know that one day it will be me. Until my time comes I am going to do my best to stay here in this world for my family. For me it means watching what I eat, drinking lots lots of water and now taking herbal suppliant's. I have been feeling better these days. Fight the dragon. LaDonna

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheryl,,,I've heard others say that their doctors didn't put them

out for the biopsy,,,but mine gave me demerol in an iv when I had one

and I was out. I can't believe some doctors are so uncompassionate.

But I am a baby for pain and maybe they see that and don't want

someone who's gonna fuss!!!!! You are young still, but since you are

young, maybe you can start taking real good care of your health now,

maybe even do the HCV treatment, and make this virus go into

remission...build up your immune system with herbs and great

supplements while you are still young...don't wait till you're 30 or

40. I've heard that drinking alcohol is so bad for your liver when

you have HCV and that it causes the liver to be destroyed at a faster

pace. If there's one thing that you had to choose to stop, I hope it

would be the alcohol...I wish you well and am praying for you and the

others who I've heard are drinking alcohol that you'll find how to

get high on life or find something nonharmful to replace any and all

drinking (of alcoholic beverages). Take care of yourself and keep us

posted.

God bless,

> HI, MY NAME IS CHERYL AND IM 24 YEARS OLD. I TO HAVE

> JUST RECENTLY BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH HEP C. I HAD A

> LIVER BIOPSY DONE AND I DONT WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT

> AGAIN I THOUGHT THEY WOULD'VE GIVEN ME A MILD SEDATIVE

> AT LEAST BUT THEY JUST FROZE IT.

>

> I KNOW HOW I GOT THE MOST COMMON WAY IV DRUG USE.

> ALTHOUGH ITS A SCARY THING TO GO THROUGH IM DEALING

> WITH IT IM TIRED ALOT BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AND I STILL

> GO OUT TO THE CLUBS WITH MY FRIENDS AND HAVE A FEW

> DRINKS. MY LIVER SPECIALIST SAID NOT TO EXCEED MORE

> THEN 4 OUNCES A WEEK BUT I USUALLY DO.

>

> _______________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Yes that's right Ladonna and also I'd have to wonder about any so-

called friends who would tempt these heppers to drink alcohol knowing

that they have a liver disease. I think it's time for some people to

let go of relationships that are that destructive...I'd rather be

alone than to be around people who don't care if I live or die...I

hope ALL can find some good friends, especially friends with this

disease...I've found many friends with HCV and I can honestly say...I

didn't have real friends before in comparison to the heppers I now

know. We all have a real bond and it means everything to me.

Love and Hugz to Everybody,

> Welcome, I really worry about people how continue to drink after

being told

> they have Hepc. Maybe it is time to make a life change. Change of

diet and

> lifestyle so that you can live. Ladonna

[Guest guest]

Ladonna, I know what you mean,,,it hurts a lot when I find out

someone with HCV had passed on...and I feel honored to have known

them. There are many people with HCV, but we sure draw close to one

another.

Take good care of yourself,

> I have many friends that do not drink since I do not drink or do

drugs. I

> have many who worry about me and check up on me. They really care

about me.

> Everyone on this support group helps even if they don't know they

do. I give

> thanks to each one.

> I found in the world of partying no one is your friend when times

are rough.

> Each time I hear of someone passing to the other world that has

HepC it

> really hurts. I know that one day it will be me. Until my time

comes I am

> going to do my best to stay here in this world for my family.

> For me it means watching what I eat, drinking lots lots of water

and now

> taking herbal suppliant's. I have been feeling better these days.

> Fight the dragon. LaDonna

[Guest guest]

Hildi, welcome! You are really working hard, it sounds like, good for you!

With the O diet, you can do substitutions like spelt flour/bread instead of

wheat, rice sour cream, rice or almond milk, etc. But mentioned that

it's better to go with the general idea of the O diet, which is to avoid

carbs in general, and stick with lots of meat & veggies, and some fruit.

When I started doing this my extra weight starting dropping off, 2-3 pounds

in a day, sometimes.

It's hard to do this though, so to start out with baby steps, I would

suggest you just choose one avoid at a time to eliminate from your diet. I

noticed when I eliminated dairy that when I did have dairy, it made me very

fatigued the next day. Now that motivates me not to eat dairy. Wheat makes

me phlegmy. I'm not very good on the diet--I fluctuate between being on it

20% - 90%, most of the time I'm around 50%. Just expect it to take time to

adjust to. The cool thing is that if you do it 70-90% for a month or so,

you'll really notice a difference in your health, and that will motivate

you.

Jerilyn

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane, welcome to the group.

>Hi I am 51 and just had an emergency hysterectomy to save me from

>bleeding to death in March...since then when I returned to my shop (I

>own a wood flooring business) I have been unable to be there for more

>than a few hours before my face starts to burn and sting and I get

>flushed all over and feel nauseous.

So, did you have no problems in your shop prior to the operation?

(I'm always curious about the things which set off this sensitivity)

>I see that you are all deep into this issue, and talking about thing I

>am not familiar with, but I need all the information I can get.

There seems to be multiple ways to approach this issue, and some ways work

for some but not for others. I've personally had good luck with a

combination of EMF protection devices, dietary changes, and supplements.

Other folks are interested in shielding and avoidance, and I've heard

reports from a few people that the alternative medicine allergy elimination

techniques N.A.E.T or NMT are effective.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hello New and Confused,

I'm afraid that you might have more than EMF sensitivity - you may be

'allergic' to the chemicals in your workplace too. (An illness that yet has

no name in medical science, but is often referred to as multiple chemical

sensitivity, or MCS, or chemical intolerance, or CI) Often the two--EMF

sensitivity and MCS--come hand-in-hand. Wood flooring typically has low

levels of formaldehyde that can build up to a toxic level inside the body if

you are compromising your detox system with poor nutrition, diet, air

quality, etc.

Also, if you are going to construction sites often, you will also be exposed

to highly toxic glues and other chemicals as well that will add to your

load. It takes time for the body to rid itself of toxins and so the less

exposure you have to any - natural or manmade - will help. A short list of

everyday evils are: gasoline, natural gas, perfumes/colognes, fragranced

products like air fresheners, fabric softeners, food additives and

preservatives, pesticides, tobacco, alcohol, caffiene, sugar, glues, inks

(including copy/printer ink), household cleaners, bleach, most commercial

detergent, mold, dust, and most new products with plastic or bleached paper

and dyes..., new computer equipment offgases some toxic gases as well....

If you use a cell phone, I would advise you to get a hands-free headset

device which will keep the microwaves as far as possible from your head

while in use. But it would be best if you could also reduce your time on

the phone (less than 10 minutes per call) and keep it located at a place at

least 5 feet away from your body at all times. The further away the better.

You can also look into protective devices - this list can offer some

suggestions in that area.

If you can work from home for a while (2 or 3 months) and create an oasis in

one room where you can spend most of your time until your detox process gets

underway and you can make some noticable progress--a room with good

ventilation and few electronic appliances (the furthest away from any major

appliances in the house, like refrigerators, breaker boxes, washer/dryers,

microwave, electric oven, electric A/C, etc. and outside the house power

station, high tension wires, cell phone antennas) then that would be ideal.

If you smoke or drink, you should quit immediately. If you are living or

working in an environment that allows smoking, you should look into ways to

completely separate smoking areas from your work space. You may also want

to consider eating only organic foods to reduce the amount of pesticide

intake. There are many herbal teas that will help you detox - a good one is

dandelion root tea. Short 1 day fasts with eating only one vegetable or

fruit per day may also help eliminate toxins which often accumulate in your

gut.

Sweating is good and the quickest and most natural way to release toxins.

Bathing with epsom salts or baking soda is a good way to get sweat glands

going and help you release toxins. It may make you feel worse at first

because releasing the toxins makes them spread first through the body in

order to be eliminated. You may get worse before you get better.

You may be also dealing with mineral/nutritional deficiencies, like zinc or

magnesium, and so it may help to find a doctor who can check your red blood

cell levels of each. (a regular blood panel does not usually show

significant deficiencies.) You may want to find a doctor who deals in

environmental illnesses since most doctors are unaware of these issues, and

will only serve to cause you stress and try to medicate you with more

toxins.

Once you find the deficiencies, it's best to deal with them by altering

dietary habits and not spend too much money on supplements that you may not

be absorbing due to poor assimilation/absorbsion in the digestive tract.

There is no quick way to return the body after it has reached this point,

but if you work every moment to repair it, and try to understand what is

happening to your system metabolically , you will see improvement in a few

months. For a full recovery, you may need to make significant life changes

which may even include a career change or a move to a less toxic place. But

we are all different and some are more successful with healing than others.

Hormonal issues are highly intertwined with detox functioning and so this

may also be playing into your sudden symptoms. If you are taking any meds

or using creams, you may want to consider alternative/natural methods that

will help so that your body can repair itself without overburdening it with

the toxic side-effects of the meds.

You will get well again if you take time to eliminate the causes. It will

take time and a lot of energy to find the causes and you will need the

support of a good group who also understand and appreciate the issues you

are facing, not only physically, but mentally and socially and spiritually.

There are many other helpful groups that can help you address both the EMF

sensitivity and chemical toxicity that might be contributing to your

symptoms. I recommend the following two groups:

http://www.immuneweb.org/

MCS-CI-Hope2/

They can also help you locate the nearest specialist and also give you

support and provide information with how you can return to better health.

All members have gone through the same confusion and frustrations and so you

will get a lot of understanding and warm support.

A chemically toxic and EMF-free lifestyle is a real challenge in this day

and age, but you can do your best to keep well by avoiding as much exposure

to both as you can. It will get easier after you go through the initial

process of understanding and finding alternatives.

Wishing you wellness, wisdom and peace,

Tokyo

_________________________________________________________________

new and confused

Hi I am 51 and just had an emergency hysterectomy to save me from

bleeding to death in March...since then when I returned to my shop (I

own a wood flooring business) I have been unable to be there for more

than a few hours before my face starts to burn and sting and I get

flushed all over and feel nauseous. I've been to my gyn (put on

estrogen patch) dermatologist (never saw this before, but try this

cream) GP (maybe hormones, maybe derm stuff)

Anyway, I found the website in Sweden that described my symptoms

exactly...especially the part where it goes away when you go home, and

here I am...surfing the web for more info.

I have 5 computers and florescent lights at work...we are a smal;l biz

and I work6-7 days a week.

I see that you are all deep into this issue, and talking about thing I

am not familiar with, but I need all the information I can get.

thanks

d

[Guest guest]

I agree with all of this..

However it should also be mentioned that your immune system has been

under severe stress due to the operation - partly the anaesthetic,

partly the physical stress of being operated on, and partly due to the

nature of your actual operation. I also had a friend who has developed

immune system problems after having had a hysterectomy.

However, everything is fixable, and this excellent advice from Tokyo is

a start to your journey back to good health!

Best wishes

Re: new and confused

Hello New and Confused,

I'm afraid that you might have more than EMF sensitivity - you may be

'allergic' to the chemicals in your workplace too. (An illness that yet

has no name in medical science, but is often referred to as multiple

chemical sensitivity, or MCS, or chemical intolerance, or CI) Often the

two--EMF sensitivity and MCS--come hand-in-hand. Wood flooring

typically has low levels of formaldehyde that can build up to a toxic

level inside the body if you are compromising your detox system with

poor nutrition, diet, air quality, etc.

Also, if you are going to construction sites often, you will also be

exposed to highly toxic glues and other chemicals as well that will add

to your load. It takes time for the body to rid itself of toxins and so

the less exposure you have to any - natural or manmade - will help. A

short list of everyday evils are: gasoline, natural gas,

perfumes/colognes, fragranced products like air fresheners, fabric

softeners, food additives and preservatives, pesticides, tobacco,

alcohol, caffiene, sugar, glues, inks (including copy/printer ink),

household cleaners, bleach, most commercial detergent, mold, dust, and

most new products with plastic or bleached paper and dyes..., new

computer equipment offgases some toxic gases as well....

If you use a cell phone, I would advise you to get a hands-free headset

device which will keep the microwaves as far as possible from your head

while in use. But it would be best if you could also reduce your time

on the phone (less than 10 minutes per call) and keep it located at a

place at least 5 feet away from your body at all times. The further away

the better. You can also look into protective devices - this list can

offer some suggestions in that area.

If you can work from home for a while (2 or 3 months) and create an

oasis in one room where you can spend most of your time until your detox

process gets underway and you can make some noticable progress--a room

with good ventilation and few electronic appliances (the furthest away

from any major appliances in the house, like refrigerators, breaker

boxes, washer/dryers, microwave, electric oven, electric A/C, etc. and

outside the house power station, high tension wires, cell phone

antennas) then that would be ideal.

If you smoke or drink, you should quit immediately. If you are living

or working in an environment that allows smoking, you should look into

ways to completely separate smoking areas from your work space. You may

also want to consider eating only organic foods to reduce the amount of

pesticide intake. There are many herbal teas that will help you detox -

a good one is dandelion root tea. Short 1 day fasts with eating only

one vegetable or fruit per day may also help eliminate toxins which

often accumulate in your gut.

Sweating is good and the quickest and most natural way to release

toxins. Bathing with epsom salts or baking soda is a good way to get

sweat glands going and help you release toxins. It may make you feel

worse at first because releasing the toxins makes them spread first

through the body in order to be eliminated. You may get worse before

you get better.

You may be also dealing with mineral/nutritional deficiencies, like zinc

or magnesium, and so it may help to find a doctor who can check your red

blood cell levels of each. (a regular blood panel does not usually show

significant deficiencies.) You may want to find a doctor who deals in

environmental illnesses since most doctors are unaware of these issues,

and will only serve to cause you stress and try to medicate you with

more toxins.

Once you find the deficiencies, it's best to deal with them by altering

dietary habits and not spend too much money on supplements that you may

not be absorbing due to poor assimilation/absorbsion in the digestive

tract. There is no quick way to return the body after it has reached

this point, but if you work every moment to repair it, and try to

understand what is happening to your system metabolically , you will see

improvement in a few months. For a full recovery, you may need to make

significant life changes which may even include a career change or a

move to a less toxic place. But we are all different and some are more

successful with healing than others.

Hormonal issues are highly intertwined with detox functioning and so

this may also be playing into your sudden symptoms. If you are taking

any meds or using creams, you may want to consider alternative/natural

methods that will help so that your body can repair itself without

overburdening it with the toxic side-effects of the meds.

You will get well again if you take time to eliminate the causes. It

will take time and a lot of energy to find the causes and you will need

the support of a good group who also understand and appreciate the

issues you are facing, not only physically, but mentally and socially

and spiritually. There are many other helpful groups that can help you

address both the EMF sensitivity and chemical toxicity that might be

contributing to your symptoms. I recommend the following two groups:

http://www.immuneweb.org/

MCS-CI-Hope2/

They can also help you locate the nearest specialist and also give you

support and provide information with how you can return to better

health. All members have gone through the same confusion and

frustrations and so you will get a lot of understanding and warm

support.

A chemically toxic and EMF-free lifestyle is a real challenge in this

day and age, but you can do your best to keep well by avoiding as much

exposure to both as you can. It will get easier after you go through

the initial process of understanding and finding alternatives.

Wishing you wellness, wisdom and peace,

Tokyo

_________________________________________________________________

new and confused

Hi I am 51 and just had an emergency hysterectomy to save me from

bleeding to death in March...since then when I returned to my shop (I

own a wood flooring business) I have been unable to be there for more

than a few hours before my face starts to burn and sting and I get

flushed all over and feel nauseous. I've been to my gyn (put on estrogen

patch) dermatologist (never saw this before, but try this

cream) GP (maybe hormones, maybe derm stuff)

Anyway, I found the website in Sweden that described my symptoms

exactly...especially the part where it goes away when you go home, and

here I am...surfing the web for more info. I have 5 computers and

florescent lights at work...we are a smal;l biz and I work6-7 days a

week. I see that you are all deep into this issue, and talking about

thing I am not familiar with, but I need all the information I can get.

thanks d

[Guest guest]

Hallo Diane,

for me as a medical doctor your story clearly shows, that the trauma of the

surgery was after all too much for your system. There is the anaethesia, which

is actually an intoxication with some aftereffects. There are the scars, that

irritate the acupuncture meridians and the energy flow in the body. Usually

there are given injections of procain or lidocain into the area of the scars.

Naturopathic doctors know how to do this. This might already be enough to

significantly decrease the complaints. You might also have a electrosmog

neutralizing device with you. Some are mentioned here in this list. I have been

using

BioProtect for my patients with good results (www.bioprotect.de.vu). Also taking

antioxydants is helpful, but does not actually resolve the situation, its a

good compensation.

Don`t do all at once, for then you will not know what actually helped. Start

with the things, that you easily can change.

Greetings

Dietrich

[Guest guest]

> I agree with all of this..

>

> However it should also be mentioned that your immune system has

been

> under severe stress due to the operation - partly the anaesthetic,

> partly the physical stress of being operated on, and partly due to

the

> nature of your actual operation. I also had a friend who has

developed

> immune system problems after having had a hysterectomy.

>

> However, everything is fixable, and this excellent advice from

Tokyo is

> a start to your journey back to good health!

>

> Best wishes

>

>

>

> Re: new and confused

>

>

> Hello New and Confused,

>

> I'm afraid that you might have more than EMF sensitivity - you may

be

> 'allergic' to the chemicals in your workplace too. (An illness

that yet

> has no name in medical science, but is often referred to as

multiple

> chemical sensitivity, or MCS, or chemical intolerance, or CI)

Often the

> two--EMF sensitivity and MCS--come hand-in-hand. Wood flooring

> typically has low levels of formaldehyde that can build up to a

toxic

> level inside the body if you are compromising your detox system

with

> poor nutrition, diet, air quality, etc.

>

> Also, if you are going to construction sites often, you will also

be

> exposed to highly toxic glues and other chemicals as well that

will add

> to your load. It takes time for the body to rid itself of toxins

and so

> the less exposure you have to any - natural or manmade - will

help. A

> short list of everyday evils are: gasoline, natural gas,

> perfumes/colognes, fragranced products like air fresheners, fabric

> softeners, food additives and preservatives, pesticides, tobacco,

> alcohol, caffiene, sugar, glues, inks (including copy/printer ink),

> household cleaners, bleach, most commercial detergent, mold, dust,

and

> most new products with plastic or bleached paper and dyes..., new

> computer equipment offgases some toxic gases as well....

>

> If you use a cell phone, I would advise you to get a hands-free

headset

> device which will keep the microwaves as far as possible from your

head

> while in use. But it would be best if you could also reduce your

time

> on the phone (less than 10 minutes per call) and keep it located

at a

> place at least 5 feet away from your body at all times. The

further away

> the better. You can also look into protective devices - this list

can

> offer some suggestions in that area.

>

> If you can work from home for a while (2 or 3 months) and create an

> oasis in one room where you can spend most of your time until your

detox

> process gets underway and you can make some noticable progress--a

room

> with good ventilation and few electronic appliances (the furthest

away

> from any major appliances in the house, like refrigerators, breaker

> boxes, washer/dryers, microwave, electric oven, electric A/C, etc.

and

> outside the house power station, high tension wires, cell phone

> antennas) then that would be ideal.

>

> If you smoke or drink, you should quit immediately. If you are

living

> or working in an environment that allows smoking, you should look

into

> ways to completely separate smoking areas from your work space.

You may

> also want to consider eating only organic foods to reduce the

amount of

> pesticide intake. There are many herbal teas that will help you

detox -

> a good one is dandelion root tea. Short 1 day fasts with eating

only

> one vegetable or fruit per day may also help eliminate toxins which

> often accumulate in your gut.

>

> Sweating is good and the quickest and most natural way to release

> toxins. Bathing with epsom salts or baking soda is a good way to

get

> sweat glands going and help you release toxins. It may make you

feel

> worse at first because releasing the toxins makes them spread first

> through the body in order to be eliminated. You may get worse

before

> you get better.

>

> You may be also dealing with mineral/nutritional deficiencies,

like zinc

> or magnesium, and so it may help to find a doctor who can check

your red

> blood cell levels of each. (a regular blood panel does not

usually show

> significant deficiencies.) You may want to find a doctor who

deals in

> environmental illnesses since most doctors are unaware of these

issues,

> and will only serve to cause you stress and try to medicate you

with

> more toxins.

>

> Once you find the deficiencies, it's best to deal with them by

altering

> dietary habits and not spend too much money on supplements that

you may

> not be absorbing due to poor assimilation/absorbsion in the

digestive

> tract. There is no quick way to return the body after it has

reached

> this point, but if you work every moment to repair it, and try to

> understand what is happening to your system metabolically , you

will see

> improvement in a few months. For a full recovery, you may need to

make

> significant life changes which may even include a career change or

a

> move to a less toxic place. But we are all different and some are

more

> successful with healing than others.

>

> Hormonal issues are highly intertwined with detox functioning and

so

> this may also be playing into your sudden symptoms. If you are

taking

> any meds or using creams, you may want to consider

alternative/natural

> methods that will help so that your body can repair itself without

> overburdening it with the toxic side-effects of the meds.

>

> You will get well again if you take time to eliminate the causes.

It

> will take time and a lot of energy to find the causes and you will

need

> the support of a good group who also understand and appreciate the

> issues you are facing, not only physically, but mentally and

socially

> and spiritually. There are many other helpful groups that can help

you

> address both the EMF sensitivity and chemical toxicity that might

be

> contributing to your symptoms. I recommend the following two

groups:

>

> http://www.immuneweb.org/

>

> MCS-CI-Hope2/

>

> They can also help you locate the nearest specialist and also give

you

> support and provide information with how you can return to better

> health. All members have gone through the same confusion and

> frustrations and so you will get a lot of understanding and warm

> support.

>

> A chemically toxic and EMF-free lifestyle is a real challenge in

this

> day and age, but you can do your best to keep well by avoiding as

much

> exposure to both as you can. It will get easier after you go

through

> the initial process of understanding and finding alternatives.

>

> Wishing you wellness, wisdom and peace,

>

> Tokyo

>

_________________________________________________________________

> new and confused

>

>

> Hi I am 51 and just had an emergency hysterectomy to save me from

> bleeding to death in March...since then when I returned to my shop

(I

> own a wood flooring business) I have been unable to be there for

more

> than a few hours before my face starts to burn and sting and I get

> flushed all over and feel nauseous. I've been to my gyn (put on

estrogen

> patch) dermatologist (never saw this before, but try this

> cream) GP (maybe hormones, maybe derm stuff)

>

> Anyway, I found the website in Sweden that described my symptoms

> exactly...especially the part where it goes away when you go home,

and

> here I am...surfing the web for more info. I have 5 computers and

> florescent lights at work...we are a smal;l biz and I work6-7 days

a

> week. I see that you are all deep into this issue, and talking

about

> thing I am not familiar with, but I need all the information I can

get.

> thanks d

>

>

[Guest guest]

>I am intent on modifying the building to be safer, but how do I know

>what is really causing the problem.

Basically trial & error should do it. For example, you say that you feel

better when you're at home. So what you do is try exposing yourself to a

computer monitor screen at home, and see if that makes you worse. Then try

a florescent light at home and see what that does. I agree that chemical

exposures and off-gassing can be contributing factors, but I also know that

the florescent lights and the computer *alone* can be debilitating to some

(they were to me). Things like the devices from Quantum Products

(www.quantumproducts.com) can be a " quick fix " to make the electricity less

harmful, but the longterm solution is detoxifying and rebuilding your

system so it can tolerate what everyone else can.

>how long have all of you been dealing with this?

Some folks have been dealing with this for decades... the first case I've

heard of for electrical sensitivity was Tesla, which was a LONG time ago

(before WWII). Then radar operators got " radio wave sickness " in the

1950's, and in the 1980's there was something called " Video Operators

Distress Syndrome " . I've only been dealing with this for about 5 years,

and have basically got a routine where I don't need to worry about

avoidance anymore, and work full-time in a building full of computers and

florescent lights without problems. However, to get to that point took a

LOT of trial & error without much information to go on. Hopefully with the

help of this list, people will be able to get better quicker and with less

cost and effort.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Gutten Tag Dietrich,

I enjoyed reading your response to Dianne's situation. I am glad to see

more medical doctors are using bio-energy solutions for these problems. I

sent Dianne a message privately also suggesting to look at bio-energy

solution. Personally I use bio-energy solutions everyday for my health.

Specifically Pranic Healing, and Shiatsu Therapy. For me it is to balance

side effects from mercury poisoning and potentially bipolar disorder (I

haven't yet determined if mercury poisoning may be causing bipolar like

symptoms so not sure if I have bipolar). So far I removed all my fillings

and am doing DMSA mercury detox with naturopath.

That is a very interesting perspective to look at the effect medical

operations have on energy meridians.

I am curious if it is common for phsychiatrists in Germany to use herbs to

treat mental disorders like bipolar? I have a phychiatrist in Canada that I

will see next month who is 86 yrs old and treats his patients with natural

medicine.

Please say hi to Germany. I am in Canada, but used to live in Munchen

Germany for 5 years as a child. My family roots are in Stuttgart.

Weiter Sein,

Glenn

----Original Message Follows----

From: Gruendg@...

Reply-

Subject: Re: new and confused

Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:32:53 EDT

Hallo Diane,

for me as a medical doctor your story clearly shows, that the trauma of the

surgery was after all too much for your system. There is the anaethesia,

which

is actually an intoxication with some aftereffects. There are the scars,

that

irritate the acupuncture meridians and the energy flow in the body. Usually

there are given injections of procain or lidocain into the area of the

scars.

Naturopathic doctors know how to do this. This might already be enough to

significantly decrease the complaints. You might also have a electrosmog

neutralizing device with you. Some are mentioned here in this list. I have

been using

BioProtect for my patients with good results (www.bioprotect.de.vu). Also

taking

antioxydants is helpful, but does not actually resolve the situation, its a

good compensation.

Don`t do all at once, for then you will not know what actually helped. Start

with the things, that you easily can change.

Greetings

Dietrich

[Guest guest]

I did have slight burning and red eyes last spring when we

first moved into this building, but I attributed it to the hormones

I was taking to try to stop the constant bleeding. (provera is said

to make some people photosensitive)

Hello

If you have taken something that might have made you photosensitive, then I

would guess this could be the main trigger for electrical sensitivity (and

possibly also chemical sensitivity). As you probably know, light is just

another form of electromagnetic (EM) radiation, like that which is being

emitted from the many electronic devices around you at the moment. I would

suggest that first and foremost, you eliminate the major sources of EM fields

and radiation, particularly conventional CRT style computer monitors and TV's.

Although the alternatives (e.g. LCD screens) aren't necessarily cheap and may

not solve the problem, this seems to have improved my situation markedly and my

symptoms were similar to what you describe. If you are anywhere near the back

of another computer monitor, then completely rearrange your office as a

priority because this is probably the largest source of powerful EM fields in

your environment. As for the fluoro lights, with the help of understanding

office co-workers these can be avoided and substituted with incandescent desk

lamps or skylights if possible (it is worth mentioning that LCD screens have a

fluorescent 'back-light' which could also cause problems - I am still looking

into methods of replacing the fluoro in my LCD). I must also add that I seem

to have an intolerance for formaldehyde, which as suggested is probably

something you are highly exposed to, though it can be avoided with filters and

ventilation (someone on this list knows all about good filters and is related

to a US distributor). I hope it is possible for you to resolve your condition

without having to remove yourself from your office, and from what people on

this list have achieved, I'd say that the outlook is good, given enough

commitment and accurate information. Anyway, I would hope that removing the

major sources of EM fields and radiation, such as computer monitors,

fluorescent lighting and mobile phones (bearing in mind that there was a time

when you didn't have one - one easy way is to tell all your friends not to call

you on your mobile and reserve it only for business necessity). Anyway,

behaviour modification is the hardest, so I'd always advise people to modify

the physical aspects of their environment as a priority. At home, if you sleep

near a digital clock (high EM fields), on an electric blanket (even higher EM

fields) or near a mobile phone that is switched on, it's a good idea to remove

these items from your house as they are some of the worst things in the home.

A few hot water bottles (with covers) and a battery powered clock are fantastic

investments to minimise your bedtime exposure and thus give your body time to

heal. As for the mobile phone, I would suggest putting it in a bucket of

water, but that's just my highly biased and probably impractical opinion. All

the best

Lachlan

[Guest guest]

Gruendg@... wrote:

> Hallo Diane,

> for me as a medical doctor your story clearly shows, that the trauma

> of the

> surgery was after all too much for your system. There is the

> anaethesia, which

> is actually an intoxication with some aftereffects. There are the

> scars, that

> irritate the acupuncture meridians and the energy flow in the body.

> Usually

> there are given injections of procain or lidocain into the area of the

> scars.

> Naturopathic doctors know how to do this. This might already be enough to

> significantly decrease the complaints. You might also have a electrosmog

> neutralizing device with you. Some are mentioned here in this list. I

> have been using

> BioProtect for my patients with good results (www.bioprotect.de.vu).

> Also taking

> antioxydants is helpful, but does not actually resolve the situation,

> its a

> good compensation.

> Don`t do all at once, for then you will not know what actually helped.

> Start

> with the things, that you easily can change.

> Greetings

> Dietrich

>

Thank you for your reply. It does seem to me that the surgery was just

too much for me on top of the yr of heavy bleeding and the move into

this new building. I was also given a large blood transfusion, could

that have an effect as well?

I am hoping to find a doctor here that is understanding of this

condition, so far my doctors have looked at me like I'm crazy. Do you

know anyone in the US that specializes in this?

Thanks again

diane

[Guest guest]

Lachlan Mudge wrote:

> I did have slight burning and red eyes last spring when we

> first moved into this building, but I attributed it to the hormones

> I was taking to try to stop the constant bleeding. (provera is said

> to make some people photosensitive)

>

> Hello

> If you have taken something that might have made you photosensitive,

> then I

> would guess this could be the main trigger for electrical sensitivity (and

> possibly also chemical sensitivity). As you probably know, light is just

> another form of electromagnetic (EM) radiation, like that which is being

> emitted from the many electronic devices around you at the moment. I

> would

> suggest that first and foremost, you eliminate the major sources of EM

> fields

> and radiation, particularly conventional CRT style computer monitors

> and TV's.

> Although the alternatives (e.g. LCD screens) aren't necessarily cheap

> and may

> not solve the problem, this seems to have improved my situation

> markedly and my

> symptoms were similar to what you describe. If you are anywhere near

> the back

> of another computer monitor, then completely rearrange your office as a

> priority because this is probably the largest source of powerful EM

> fields in

> your environment. As for the fluoro lights, with the help of

> understanding

> office co-workers these can be avoided and substituted with

> incandescent desk

> lamps or skylights if possible (it is worth mentioning that LCD

> screens have a

> fluorescent 'back-light' which could also cause problems - I am still

> looking

> into methods of replacing the fluoro in my LCD). I must also add that

> I seem

> to have an intolerance for formaldehyde, which as suggested is probably

> something you are highly exposed to, though it can be avoided with

> filters and

> ventilation (someone on this list knows all about good filters and is

> related

> to a US distributor). I hope it is possible for you to resolve your

> condition

> without having to remove yourself from your office, and from what

> people on

> this list have achieved, I'd say that the outlook is good, given enough

> commitment and accurate information. Anyway, I would hope that

> removing the

> major sources of EM fields and radiation, such as computer monitors,

> fluorescent lighting and mobile phones (bearing in mind that there was

> a time

> when you didn't have one - one easy way is to tell all your friends

> not to call

> you on your mobile and reserve it only for business necessity). Anyway,

> behaviour modification is the hardest, so I'd always advise people to

> modify

> the physical aspects of their environment as a priority. At home, if

> you sleep

> near a digital clock (high EM fields), on an electric blanket (even

> higher EM

> fields) or near a mobile phone that is switched on, it's a good idea

> to remove

> these items from your house as they are some of the worst things in

> the home.

> A few hot water bottles (with covers) and a battery powered clock are

> fantastic

> investments to minimise your bedtime exposure and thus give your body

> time to

> heal. As for the mobile phone, I would suggest putting it in a bucket of

> water, but that's just my highly biased and probably impractical

> opinion. All

> the best

> Lachlan

Thanks for your reply...you made a very good point and since I am

currently on an estrogen patch (due to the surgical menopause) I will

look into whether this too can be causing photosensitivity, and if so

remove it immediately. Do you know if Halide lights are as bad as

florescents? Our building is a warehouse and quite large, with 20 ft

ceilings. To replace the florescents will be very costly, with halides

about 3000 dollars, but with all incandesant, over 5000.

I will do whatever is necessary, and all of your suggestions are helpful.

Thanks again,

diane

[Guest guest]

>I am hoping to find a doctor here that is understanding of this

>condition, so far my doctors have looked at me like I'm crazy.

I'm in the USA, and gave up on medical doctors after about a year

of them making me much worse. Then I tried naturopathic doctors

-- they didn't make me worse, but they didn't help either. I ended

up going to people who are REALLY into alternative medicine, and

use EAV testing (electro acupuncture according to voll) and/or

applied kinesiology (muscle testing). The person I've been

seeing for the last year calls herself a nutritionist, but she's

been better than anyone else I've seen for this.

>To replace the florescents will be very costly, with halides

>about 3000 dollars, but with all incandesant, over 5000.

>I will do whatever is necessary, and all of your suggestions are helpful.

I've found that EMF protection devices are far cheaper (and

more effective!) than replacing things. And sometimes the

replacements are just as bad (or worse!) as what you're replacing!

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi

I didn't realise you were in a warehouse. I would say that the lamps you have

are as bad as fluoros, from my experience with them, although the good thing is

that you are not close to them as I imagine they're high in the ceiling, which

pretty much rules out the possibility that their EM field is affecting you

much. If the flickering light that these lamps emit is causing you problems,

as seems to be the case for some, it would seem that all you'd have to do is

create yourself a little enclosed office that then uses only incandescent or

natural lighting and that way you could also isolate your atmospheric

environment fairly easily and cheaply with a small filter. Not sure how

practical any of this is for you, not having a plan for your warehouse, though

if you were to do this, you could easily use a couple of meters to find the

area in the warehouse with the least electromagnetic activity (electric fields,

magnetic fields and EM radiation). Anyway, I hope this helps

Lachlan

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I misread your email, but what I said still applies. For halide or

fluoro lighting, if it is a fair distance away (i.e. 20ft) then the fields

shouldn't be a problem so perhaps just try to avoid the flicker if that seems

to aggravate you.

Re: Re: new and confused

Lachlan Mudge wrote:

> I did have slight burning and red eyes last spring when we

> first moved into this building, but I attributed it to the hormones

> I was taking to try to stop the constant bleeding. (provera is said

> to make some people photosensitive)

>

> Hello

> If you have taken something that might have made you photosensitive,

> then I

> would guess this could be the main trigger for electrical sensitivity (and

> possibly also chemical sensitivity). As you probably know, light is just

> another form of electromagnetic (EM) radiation, like that which is being

> emitted from the many electronic devices around you at the moment. I

> would

> suggest that first and foremost, you eliminate the major sources of EM

> fields

> and radiation, particularly conventional CRT style computer monitors

> and TV's.

> Although the alternatives (e.g. LCD screens) aren't necessarily cheap

> and may

> not solve the problem, this seems to have improved my situation

> markedly and my

> symptoms were similar to what you describe. If you are anywhere near

> the back

> of another computer monitor, then completely rearrange your office as a

> priority because this is probably the largest source of powerful EM

> fields in

> your environment. As for the fluoro lights, with the help of

> understanding

> office co-workers these can be avoided and substituted with

> incandescent desk

> lamps or skylights if possible (it is worth mentioning that LCD

> screens have a

> fluorescent 'back-light' which could also cause problems - I am still

> looking

> into methods of replacing the fluoro in my LCD). I must also add that

> I seem

> to have an intolerance for formaldehyde, which as suggested is probably

> something you are highly exposed to, though it can be avoided with

> filters and

> ventilation (someone on this list knows all about good filters and is

> related

> to a US distributor). I hope it is possible for you to resolve your

> condition

> without having to remove yourself from your office, and from what

> people on

> this list have achieved, I'd say that the outlook is good, given enough

> commitment and accurate information. Anyway, I would hope that

> removing the

> major sources of EM fields and radiation, such as computer monitors,

> fluorescent lighting and mobile phones (bearing in mind that there was

> a time

> when you didn't have one - one easy way is to tell all your friends

> not to call

> you on your mobile and reserve it only for business necessity). Anyway,

> behaviour modification is the hardest, so I'd always advise people to

> modify

> the physical aspects of their environment as a priority. At home, if

> you sleep

> near a digital clock (high EM fields), on an electric blanket (even

> higher EM

> fields) or near a mobile phone that is switched on, it's a good idea

> to remove

> these items from your house as they are some of the worst things in

> the home.

> A few hot water bottles (with covers) and a battery powered clock are

> fantastic

> investments to minimise your bedtime exposure and thus give your body

> time to

> heal. As for the mobile phone, I would suggest putting it in a bucket of

> water, but that's just my highly biased and probably impractical

> opinion. All

> the best

> Lachlan

Thanks for your reply...you made a very good point and since I am

currently on an estrogen patch (due to the surgical menopause) I will

look into whether this too can be causing photosensitivity, and if so

remove it immediately. Do you know if Halide lights are as bad as

florescents? Our building is a warehouse and quite large, with 20 ft

ceilings. To replace the florescents will be very costly, with halides

about 3000 dollars, but with all incandesant, over 5000.

I will do whatever is necessary, and all of your suggestions are helpful.

Thanks again,

diane

[Guest guest]

Lachlan Mudge wrote:

> Sorry, I misread your email, but what I said still applies. For halide or

> fluoro lighting, if it is a fair distance away (i.e. 20ft) then the fields

> shouldn't be a problem so perhaps just try to avoid the flicker if

> that seems

> to aggravate you.

Thanks Lachlan,

I borrowed a meter today from a friend who's fighting a power company

(VELCO) . They're trying to run a huge powerline here in VT.

I'm bringing it to work tomorrow ...it will be interesting to see what

I'll find. I do have an office at the far end of the building that I

believe is pretty safe, but the showroom/warehouse is basically one big

4000 square foot space with florescent lights . The electric panel is

also exposed. I was told by the electrician that halide lamps are also

" discharge " type of lighting that can cause a reaction in sensitive

people. I am also not able to go out in the sun at all without burning.

I am Italian and have never burned before. I'm sure I'll have more

questions as I get further into this.

[Guest guest]

Marc wrote:

> >I am hoping to find a doctor here that is understanding of this

> >condition, so far my doctors have looked at me like I'm crazy.

>

> I'm in the USA, and gave up on medical doctors after about a year

> of them making me much worse. Then I tried naturopathic doctors

> -- they didn't make me worse, but they didn't help either. I ended

> up going to people who are REALLY into alternative medicine, and

> use EAV testing (electro acupuncture according to voll) and/or

> applied kinesiology (muscle testing). The person I've been

> seeing for the last year calls herself a nutritionist, but she's

> been better than anyone else I've seen for this.

>

> >To replace the florescents will be very costly, with halides

> >about 3000 dollars, but with all incandesant, over 5000.

> >I will do whatever is necessary, and all of your suggestions are helpful.

>

> I've found that EMF protection devices are far cheaper (and

> more effective!) than replacing things. And sometimes the

> replacements are just as bad (or worse!) as what you're replacing!

Thanks Marc,

My chiropractor is also a Kinesiologist, but hasn't really treated this

condition before...

Do you know of any devices that can " clean up " a large space like my

4000 suare foot warehouse?

I borrowed a meter and will measure everything tomorrow..

I will also look into EAV testing...I haven't heard of anyone doing

that here.

d