Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 I will e-mail you off line a little later and give you more info. Yes they are all tied in together. I have to get a workout in and then off to the dentist to have my stitches removed (had a root canal tooth removed along with all my amalgams) but will be back later and will help you with all your questions. Steph Re: New and confused >----- Original Message ----- Posted by: "ladybugsandbees" Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:22 am (PST) >Also the Natural Thyroid Hormone group on is a great group for info and dxing problems with >thyroid / adrenals / low ferritin. Hi , I'm not a member of the nth group on ...I'm intrigued by the possible connection alluded to in your statement about "thyroid/adrenals/low ferritin". Are you suggesting these conditions are related? Any info would be greatly appreciated. (or do you think I should join the group to get this info?) Many thanks, Dahlia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 You can also order your own blood tests on the intenet to monitor sel- administration. Jinlges > > I think recommending anyone to buy it without a prescription may > make it seem easy to self-administer in the correct dose which it is > definitely not. > I would recommend finding a good alternative MD who works with Armour, > since majority of allopathic docs don't, and go from there. > > Karin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 I take strong exception with any assertion that thyroid treatment at the hands of a MD is necessarily superior to knowledgable self-treatment, or that dependence on bloodwork results will yield optimal treatment. In the ideal world, doctors would know more than the patient, but it is the rare, rare jewel of a doctor who knows any more than treating according to AMA protocol, which ensures a continued state of hypothyroidism. Even doctors that will treat with Armour usually undertreat. What is not safe is relying totally on a doctor and bloodwork, because you can have perfectly satisfactory bloodwork and still have cellular resistance and be hypothyroid at the cellular level. Bloodwork must be taken hand in hand with a consideration of symptoms. Research has shown that it is endogenous hyperthyroidism that will cause weak bones, not exogenous supplementation of thyroid. As for heart problems, there is probably more due to untreated or undertreated hypothyroidism than overzealous supplementation. If a person knows nothing about thyroid, a doctor and lab tests would be a good starting point. But it addition to that, a person must self-educate, so they can recognize if they are not receiving the best treatment. I still consult with a doctor, but after 57 years of thyroid treatment from the hands of doctors, I treat myself far better now than almost all of them did. Lynn RE: New and confused Though I think it is great to be able to buy Armour on the internet without a prescription, I don't think it is safe to take without proper dosage guidelines based on bloodwork results. As we know, excess thyroid hormone can cause weak bones and heart problems and more, and not enough of it... well we all know those problems. I think recommending anyone to buy it without a prescription may make it seem easy to self-administer in the correct dose which it is definitely not. I would recommend finding a good alternative MD who works with Armour, since majority of allopathic docs don't, and go from there. Karin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Lynn, hold your horses...... I agree wholeheartedly that self-education is VITAL and that we can all help ourselves probably more than any doc will, once we are informed...but you missed the point. The writer is new to this problem (her subject was "new and confused", remember?), and she didn't even know that Armour is a prescription drug, so it would be ill-advised to start self-medicating with thyroid hormone without assistance from a good doctor (alternative) to get a baseline. FYI, I have dealt with thyroid issues for 15 years and have even had an MD send me into atrial fibrillation because of too high a dose....so please don't underestimate what it can do to some individuals. We are all unique in our tolerance of thyroid hormone and how our bodies react and too much hormone is still more dangerous than too little! Karin GUHDO USA Inc. 1135 JVL Court Marietta, GA 30066 770-592-4766 (phone) 770-592-1714 (fax) www.guhdo.com -----Original Message-----From: iodine [mailto:iodine ]On Behalf Of Lynn McGahaSent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:50 PMiodine Subject: Re: New and confused I take strong exception with any assertion that thyroid treatment at the hands of a MD is necessarily superior to knowledgable self-treatment, or that dependence on bloodwork results will yield optimal treatment. In the ideal world, doctors would know more than the patient, but it is the rare, rare jewel of a doctor who knows any more than treating according to AMA protocol, which ensures a continued state of hypothyroidism. Even doctors that will treat with Armour usually undertreat. What is not safe is relying totally on a doctor and bloodwork, because you can have perfectly satisfactory bloodwork and still have cellular resistance and be hypothyroid at the cellular level. Bloodwork must be taken hand in hand with a consideration of symptoms. Research has shown that it is endogenous hyperthyroidism that will cause weak bones, not exogenous supplementation of thyroid. As for heart problems, there is probably more due to untreated or undertreated hypothyroidism than overzealous supplementation. If a person knows nothing about thyroid, a doctor and lab tests would be a good starting point. But it addition to that, a person must self-educate, so they can recognize if they are not receiving the best treatment. I still consult with a doctor, but after 57 years of thyroid treatment from the hands of doctors, I treat myself far better now than almost all of them did. Lynn RE: New and confused Though I think it is great to be able to buy Armour on the internet without a prescription, I don't think it is safe to take without proper dosage guidelines based on bloodwork results. As we know, excess thyroid hormone can cause weak bones and heart problems and more, and not enough of it... well we all know those problems. I think recommending anyone to buy it without a prescription may make it seem easy to self-administer in the correct dose which it is definitely not. I would recommend finding a good alternative MD who works with Armour, since majority of allopathic docs don't, and go from there. Karin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 >>As we know, excess thyroid hormone can cause weak bones and heart problems and more, and not enough of it... well we all know those problems. << No we do not know this. I had congestive heart failure form low thyroid 8 years ago. My FOUR specialist docs all said it was not due to thyroid. Well I am taking about 8 times as much thyroid now as they were giving me and a different kind as well and my CHF is GONE, something they said was impossible. T3 is very protective of the heart. I take on my own! without any doctor's good will, 6.5 grains of Armour a day and 70-95mcg of T3 with it. I have a particular problem with low T3 that is not common, but none of my doctors recognized this, I found it by my own trial and error and labs all showing constant low T3 even on plain Armour. I was dying of low thyroid under my doctors care, now I am healthy and running my own grooming business, something I could never have considered 8 years ago. -- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 , glad you have overcome the CHF and doing well. You do point out that your labs were consistently showing low T3 and it confirms the need for anyone and everyone dealing with thyroid issues to not just go by a doctor saying "labs are ok".....the range for "normal" is ridiculous to begin with, but to learn what the numbers mean and check everything yourself. Karin GUHDO USA Inc. 1135 JVL Court Marietta, GA 30066 770-592-4766 (phone) 770-592-1714 (fax) www.guhdo.com -----Original Message-----From: iodine [mailto:iodine ]On Behalf Of Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:08 PMiodine Subject: Re: New and confused >>As we know, excess thyroid hormone can cause weak bones and heart problems and more, and not enough of it... well we all know those problems. <<No we do not know this. I had congestive heart failure form low thyroid 8 years ago. My FOUR specialist docs all said it was not due to thyroid. Well I am taking about 8 times as much thyroid now as they were giving me and a different kind as well and my CHF is GONE, something they said was impossible. T3 is very protective of the heart. I take on my own! without any doctor's good will, 6.5 grains of Armour a day and 70-95mcg of T3 with it. I have a particular problem with low T3 that is not common, but none of my doctors recognized this, I found it by my own trial and error and labs all showing constant low T3 even on plain Armour. I was dying of low thyroid under my doctors care, now I am healthy and running my own grooming business, something I could never have considered 8 years ago.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Karin, I see nothing in the text of your message to indicate your advice was specifically tailored to the individual who posted "new and confused". Yes, "new and confused" was in the subject line, but often posts evolve far beyond the subject line and one can never assume subject matter in the text is targeted solely to the original poster. I wish you had been more specific in pointing out whom your advice was meant for. I disagree that too much hormone is still more dangerous than too little. The effects of way too much will appear to be more critical, and it may do you in faster, but the effects of too little can be just as deadly, it will just take a lot longer to exert the chronic effects. As for your atrial fibrillation from too high a dose, sometimes it's not the dose itself, but whether ferritin, adrenal hormones, and nutritional factors are adequate, or whether the thyroid dose was slowly titrated upwards and taken in multi-doses throughout the day, or whether it's a natural vs. synthetic form of supplement. I think it's more likely someone will get into harm's way following a doctor's order, because you tend to do what the doctor ordered rather than stopping if things aren't going well. If dosing yourself, I think most people would stop or ask questions once unpleasant symptoms started. Lynn Lynn, hold your horses...... I agree wholeheartedly that self-education is VITAL and that we can all help ourselves probably more than any doc will, once we are informed...but you missed the point. The writer is new to this problem (her subject was "new and confused", remember?), and she didn't even know that Armour is a prescription drug, so it would be ill-advised to start self-medicating with thyroid hormone without assistance from a good doctor (alternative) to get a baseline. FYI, I have dealt with thyroid issues for 15 years and have even had an MD send me into atrial fibrillation because of too high a dose....so please don't underestimate what it can do to some individuals. We are all unique in our tolerance of thyroid hormone and how our bodies react and too much hormone is still more dangerous than too little! Karin I take strong exception with any assertion that thyroid treatment at the hands of a MD is necessarily superior to knowledgable self-treatment, or that dependence on bloodwork results will yield optimal treatment. In the ideal world, doctors would know more than the patient, but it is the rare, rare jewel of a doctor who knows any more than treating according to AMA protocol, which ensures a continued state of hypothyroidism. Even doctors that will treat with Armour usually undertreat. What is not safe is relying totally on a doctor and bloodwork, because you can have perfectly satisfactory bloodwork and still have cellular resistance and be hypothyroid at the cellular level. Bloodwork must be taken hand in hand with a consideration of symptoms. Research has shown that it is endogenous hyperthyroidism that will cause weak bones, not exogenous supplementation of thyroid. As for heart problems, there is probably more due to untreated or undertreated hypothyroidism than overzealous supplementation. If a person knows nothing about thyroid, a doctor and lab tests would be a good starting point. But it addition to that, a person must self-educate, so they can recognize if they are not receiving the best treatment. I still consult with a doctor, but after 57 years of thyroid treatment from the hands of doctors, I treat myself far better now than almost all of them did. Lynn RE: New and confused Though I think it is great to be able to buy Armour on the internet without a prescription, I don't think it is safe to take without proper dosage guidelines based on bloodwork results. As we know, excess thyroid hormone can cause weak bones and heart problems and more, and not enough of it... well we all know those problems. I think recommending anyone to buy it without a prescription may make it seem easy to self-administer in the correct dose which it is definitely not. I would recommend finding a good alternative MD who works with Armour, since majority of allopathic docs don't, and go from there. Karin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Karin, I believe when says low T3 she means low in range. (right, ?) I totally agree with everything you said in your response to her. I would also like to point out that it is her continuing symptoms that let her know something was still very wrong and led her to continue seeking solutions. I still think symptoms are primary and labwork only is a guide. Lynn , glad you have overcome the CHF and doing well. You do point out that your labs were consistently showing low T3 and it confirms the need for anyone and everyone dealing with thyroid issues to not just go by a doctor saying "labs are ok".....the range for "normal" is ridiculous to begin with, but to learn what the numbers mean and check everything yourself. Karin >>As we know, excess thyroid hormone can cause weak bones and heart problems and more, and not enough of it. well we all know those problems. <<No we do not know this. I had congestive heart failure form low thyroid 8 years ago. My FOUR specialist docs all said it was not due to thyroid. Well I am taking about 8 times as much thyroid now as they were giving me and a different kind as well and my CHF is GONE, something they said was impossible. T3 is very protective of the heart. I take on my own! without any doctor's good will, 6.5 grains of Armour a day and 70-95mcg of T3 with it. I have a particular problem with low T3 that is not common, but none of my doctors recognized this, I found it by my own trial and error and labs all showing constant low T3 even on plain Armour. I was dying of low thyroid under my doctors care, now I am healthy and running my own grooming business, something I could never have considered 8 years ago. _._,_.___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Here were my Canary Club labs on 4.5 grains Armour. TSH NORMAL 72 range 26-85 Free T4 HIGH 0.46 range 0.17-0.42 Free T3 NORMAL 0.81 range 0.28-1.10 Thyroid Microsomal AB SIgA Negative NO antibodies??? WEIRD!! Now to me the TSH is WAY too high, the T4 is too high to add more Armour, and my T3 I would have liked to see at least 1.00 or higher. I srill had MANY hypo symptoms. I had just started HC and 20MG was doing very little for me. It was these labs that convinced me I needed to add JUST T3. But little did I know then that my levels would go down with more HC. At 30MG HC I started to feel good. While I never recommend this much, it has been a life saver for me and really turned my health around. That ans all the extra T3 I am taking. I have tried Iodine both painted on and drinking it daily and felt for a while it lowered my T3 needs, but then that stopped and now I fepl nothing from it. But I will continue to use it as Dr Derry recommends it, and I am not having any problems from it. Now to tell folkds they need a doctor to treat thyroid disease is contrary to what I have learned both from my own treament and from the many people I try to help at the NTH list. From my personal experience, doctors will kill you. Especially if you are hypothyroid. My own health is a miracle. But no doctor except the few good ones I have read theoir work and studied on the Internet are responsible for any of my turnaround from death to productive life again. But I do occasionally do labs. Been abotu a year & a half now since the CC labs I did, and I dont't feel the need to spend money I don't have on more at this time. A thermometer is a great lab tool to use at home. -- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 >I will e-mail you off line a little later and give you more info. Yes they are all tied in together. I have to get a >workout in and then off to the dentist to have my stitches removed (had a root canal tooth removed along >with all my amalgams) but will be back later and will help you with all your questions. >Steph> Re: New and confused>----- Original Message ----- Posted by: "ladybugsandbees" Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:22 am (PST) >Also the Natural Thyroid Hormone group on is a great group for info and dxing problems with >thyroid / adrenals / low ferritin. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Steph, Thanks for your email. Good luck with your root canal and amalgam removal. Dahlia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 >Posted by: "Lynn McGaha" lmcgaha@... lynnmcgaha >whether ferritin, adrenal hormones, and nutritional factors are adequate, or whether the thyroid dose was >slowly titrated upwards and taken in multi-doses throughout the day, or whether it's a natural vs. synthetic >form of supplement. I think it's more likely someone will get into harm's way following a doctor's order, >because you tend to do what the doctor ordered rather than stopping if things aren't going well. If dosing >yourself, I think most people would stop or ask questions once unpleasant symptoms started.>Lynn Lynn, Thank you for your post. I have been learning on my own--and through this group--the need for adequate mineral in-take. I am just starting to find out about low ferritin being an issue, as I recently had this tested (again b/c it was mentioned here). I am on a small dose of Armour for hypothyroid (15 mg.); going by symptoms, it's not enough but more is too much, so I recently started adding a small dose of T3 (my T3 levels had been low on a test several months ago). I find that does the trick. I agree that with thyroid meds, one has to learn to listen to one's symptoms and adjust accordingly, assuming one can isolate thyroid symptoms and is educated about the medicines, which most people here seem to be. I would like to know if you take your Armour and T3 in multi-doses through out the day, and if so, what intervals do you find work best for you? Also, at what rate do you titrate your dose up? My doc told me to start at 15mg and double after one week. This was way too fast, but I'm wondering if I even need to add 7.5, even every other day, as a rate of increase?? Titrating with T3 is so much easier b/c of the shorter 1/2 life. Also, I have always tried to take thyroid hormone at least 3 hours apart from any mineral which might impede its absorption; and 4-6 hours apart from calcium. This gets tricky with multi-dosing, b/c I try to take minerals 3x/day for best absorption. How do you handle this? Dahlia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 >From: " ladybugsandbees " <ladybugsandbees@...> >Reply-iodine ><iodine > >Subject: Re: New and confused >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:41:40 -0400 > >You would be shocked how many people are actually " self medicating " . Again not saying they >should. Lack of thyroid treatment might make you want to commit suicide, at least if you're on Prozac, one of the drugs they like to give us. (Prozac makes some suicidal and it tends to greatly escalate cortisol levels which can make people violent.) Of course, if we aren't on Prozac, and want to live, the doctors make it easy by givng us - * Vioxx for hypothyroid pain *Baycol to lower our cholesterol, statins which lower our cholesterol and sink our Coenzyme Q10 to dangerous heart attack levels, and have never been found to increase life expectancy *Fen-phen which they give us because we must be pigs with how fat we are and unable to control our appetites, two doctors offered it to my wife, in spite of her mitral valve prolapse and in spite of the negative news reports that were already out about it. It is important to be careful when self-medicating, but the doctors themselves admit to being the fourth leading cause of death, and I think that is conservative. The drugs they've killed us with are more obvious signs of the corrupt and broken medical system, the things we die from when our hypothyroidism is untreated and undertreated are still just as bad, just not as obvious. Low thyroid is the worst thing for one's heart, and can kill us from congestive heart failure, and lots of other problems that would never show up on a death certificate as the true cause, hypothyroidism. Give up liberty for security and what do you have? Neither. Prescriptions weren't required until the 30's or 40's, and it's a shame they are now. Skipper _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 ABSOLUTELY I saved my own life by self medicating. I encourage peeps to become their own doctors. Gracia >From: "ladybugsandbees" <ladybugsandbeessbcglobal (DOT) net>>Reply-iodine ><iodine >>Subject: Re: New and confused>Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:41:40 -0400>>You would be shocked how many people are actually "self medicating". Again not saying they >should.Lack of thyroid treatment might make you want to commit suicide, at least if you're on Prozac, one of the drugs they like to give us. (Prozac makes some suicidal and it tends to greatly escalate cortisol levels which can make people violent.)Of course, if we aren't on Prozac, and want to live, the doctors make it easy by givng us -* Vioxx for hypothyroid pain*Baycol to lower our cholesterol, statins which lower our cholesterol and sink our Coenzyme Q10 to dangerous heart attack levels, and have never been found to increase life expectancy*Fen-phen which they give us because we must be pigs with how fat we are and unable to control our appetites, two doctors offered it to my wife, in spite of her mitral valve prolapse and in spite of the negative news reports that were already out about it.It is important to be careful when self-medicating, but the doctors themselves admit to being the fourth leading cause of death, and I think that is conservative.The drugs they've killed us with are more obvious signs of the corrupt and broken medical system, the things we die from when our hypothyroidism is untreated and undertreated are still just as bad, just not as obvious. Low thyroid is the worst thing for one's heart, and can kill us from congestive heart failure, and lots of other problems that would never show up on a death certificate as the true cause, hypothyroidism.Give up liberty for security and what do you have? Neither. Prescriptions weren't required until the 30's or 40's, and it's a shame they are now.Skipper__________________________________________________________Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/364 - Release Date: 6/14/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 actually you might be having trouble with 15mg Armour b/c it is WAY too little, and your body is begging for more. If you truly have a prob tolerating thyroid meds, then you need adrenal support (cortisol and DHEA), which you probly do. gracia >Posted by: "Lynn McGaha" lmcgaha@... lynnmcgaha >whether ferritin, adrenal hormones, and nutritional factors are adequate, or whether the thyroid dose was >slowly titrated upwards and taken in multi-doses throughout the day, or whether it's a natural vs. synthetic >form of supplement. I think it's more likely someone will get into harm's way following a doctor's order, >because you tend to do what the doctor ordered rather than stopping if things aren't going well. If dosing >yourself, I think most people would stop or ask questions once unpleasant symptoms started.>Lynn Lynn, Thank you for your post. I have been learning on my own--and through this group--the need for adequate mineral in-take. I am just starting to find out about low ferritin being an issue, as I recently had this tested (again b/c it was mentioned here). I am on a small dose of Armour for hypothyroid (15 mg.); going by symptoms, it's not enough but more is too much, so I recently started adding a small dose of T3 (my T3 levels had been low on a test several months ago). I find that does the trick. I agree that with thyroid meds, one has to learn to listen to one's symptoms and adjust accordingly, assuming one can isolate thyroid symptoms and is educated about the medicines, which most people here seem to be. I would like to know if you take your Armour and T3 in multi-doses through out the day, and if so, what intervals do you find work best for you? Also, at what rate do you titrate your dose up? My doc told me to start at 15mg and double after one week. This was way too fast, but I'm wondering if I even need to add 7.5, even every other day, as a rate of increase?? Titrating with T3 is so much easier b/c of the shorter 1/2 life. Also, I have always tried to take thyroid hormone at least 3 hours apart from any mineral which might impede its absorption; and 4-6 hours apart from calcium. This gets tricky with multi-dosing, b/c I try to take minerals 3x/day for best absorption. How do you handle this? Dahlia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/364 - Release Date: 6/14/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Hi Steph, Thanks for your email. Good luck with your root canal and amalgam removal. Dahlia ======================================= It's all done! The amalgams are removed and so is the root canal tooth. Just the stitches remain. The stitches didn't come out as it wasn't healed yet. Guess what they gave me to help it heal??? SSKI - Potassium Iodide. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 I am in complete agreement with this. Y'all might like to read some of my own extremist writings on this topic. www.quackcenter.com/health.html www.quackcenter.com/healthworks.html www.quackcenter.com/questiondoc.html We must take responsibility for AND charge of our own health. I have more than one friend and customer that the docs almost killed before they woke up, and a bunch of friends and two husbands in the beyond, who said, right before they died, "I wish I'd listened to you." I'm just small one person operation, and can't beat the Iodoral price of the big guys without making it not worth it to do, but I still love this list because it represents for freedom. Thank you, Zoe. , LMT Skipper and Gracia wrote: 2a. Re: New and confused Posted by: "Skipper Beers" lsb149@... lsb149 Date: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:39 am (PDT)>From: "ladybugsandbees" <ladybugsandbees@...>>Reply-iodine ><iodine >>Subject: Re: New and confused>Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:41:40 -0400> >You would be shocked how many people are actually "self medicating". Again not saying they >should.Lack of thyroid treatment might make you want to commit suicide, at least if you're on Prozac, one of the drugs they like to give us. (Prozac makes some suicidal and it tends to greatly escalate cortisol levels which can make people violent.)Of course, if we aren't on Prozac, and want to live, the doctors make it easy by givng us -* Vioxx for hypothyroid pain*Baycol to lower our cholesterol, statins which lower our cholesterol and sink our Coenzyme Q10 to dangerous heart attack levels, and have never been found to increase life expectancy*Fen-phen which they give us because we must be pigs with how fat we are and unable to control our appetites, two doctors offered it to my wife, in spite of her mitral valve prolapse and in spite of the negative news reports that were already out about it.It is important to be careful when self-medicating, but the doctors themselves admit to being the fourth leading cause of death, and I think that is conservative.The drugs they've killed us with are more obvious signs of the corrupt and broken medical system, the things we die from when our hypothyroidism is untreated and undertreated are still just as bad, just not as obvious. Low thyroid is the worst thing for one's heart, and can kill us from congestive heart failure, and lots of other problems that would never show up on a death certificate as the true cause, hypothyroidism.Give up liberty for security and what do you have? Neither. Prescriptions weren't required until the 30's or 40's, and it's a shame they are now.Skipper________________________________________________________________________2b. Re: New and confused Posted by: "Gracia" circe@... graciabee Date: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:53 am (PDT) ABSOLUTELY I saved my own life by self medicating. I encourage peeps to become their own doctors. Gracia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Welcome to the group, ! Because of all the toxic halides we are exposed to, it would be hard to get too much iodine. Most people are iodine deficient. Just driving your car, sleeping on a mattress and using your computer exposes you to bromide. Many people with hashis take iodine and do very well on it. can give you more details on that. People in her family have hashis and take iodoral with no problems at all. In case you haven't read this yet, here is the link to the bromide detox symptoms and what to do about them. http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedetoxsymptomsandstrategies.html New and confused I am new to this group, been reading a lot, was recommended to this by someone from the thyroid group. I am confused, and hoping someone can help me out here. I notice a lot of hypo's are taking iodine, but I've also been reading from some that too much iodine can cause or feed hashimoto's.. So what's the deal? What happens if you get too much iodine? I have liquid Iosol Iodine from Wellness Resources. I do not take it very regularly, I didn't know much about it when I got it, other than it was supposed to help your thyroid. I would take one drop in two ounces of water when I was feeling cold, and would notice my body temp rose by the next day, I didn't feel so cold. I took more than usual a few days ago, 3 drops, and got a horrible outbreak of acne. Now my face is never totally clear for long, but that was awful. I looked at the bromide detox symptoms and that's really all I had. in AR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Iosol will be too low dose for many ppl. It's a very different formula than Iodoral. Gracia I am new to this group, been reading a lot, was recommended to this by someone from the thyroid group. I am confused, and hoping someone can help me out here. I notice a lot of hypo's are taking iodine, but I've also been reading from some that too much iodine can cause or feed hashimoto's.. So what's the deal? What happens if you get too much iodine? I have liquid Iosol Iodine from Wellness Resources. I do not take it very regularly, I didn't know much about it when I got it, other than it was supposed to help your thyroid. I would take one drop in two ounces of water when I was feeling cold, and would notice my body temp rose by the next day, I didn't feel so cold. I took more than usual a few days ago, 3 drops, and got a horrible outbreak of acne. Now my face is never totally clear for long, but that was awful. I looked at the bromide detox symptoms and that's really all I had. in AR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 , Did you add the salt loading protocol, Extra Vitamin C and zinc? That should help the bromide detox acne. See Dr. Shevin's recipe at: www.breastcancerchoices,org/drshevin L. In a message dated 5/27/2008 1:45:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, circe@... writes: I took more than usual a few days ago, 3 drops, and got a horrible outbreak of acne. Now my face is never totally clear for long, but that was awful. I looked at the bromide detox symptoms and that's really all I had. Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Hello, A few weeks ago my post was very similar to your own, I am symptomatic but bloods seemingly normal. From the advice I have received here, I am now aware that tsh is no real indicator of thyroid function, there are other blood tests that need runnning too. But, there are many helpful and knowledgeable people who will advise you on that better than I can. I'm still wearing L plates!!!! In the meantime try following the links on the home page to hypothryroidism, I found I had more symtpoms than I realised, silly things like tingly hands and a chronic but mild head ache etc. Also, some of the files are a very useful read. I have acquired a lot more understanding in this way. Hope that's a help. The greatest help to me has been how supportive a forum this is. Good luck, take care, > > Hello! > I'm hoping someone might be albe to shed some light on this > > I am 23 y/o and symptomatic of underactive thyroid (tired, feeling > down, cold extremeties, weight gain, brain fog, low concentration > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Hello, your TSH may be low if you have a pituitary problem, also the TSH level can go down if hypothyroidism is left untreated as the lack of thyroid hormone damages your other glands ie pituitary, the TSH is a pituitary hormone. What you need is the free T4 AND free T3 levels (the actual hormones the thyroid produces) checking as these will tell you if there is enough thyroid hormone. It is very hard to get these tests done on the NHS, some people will get T4 done with a high TSH but even if GPs request T3 the labs won't do it, probably to save money. I had a 24 hour urine test done by genova diagnostics (formally iwdl) Click here for details: http://gdx.uk.net/index.php? option=com_gpanel & Itemid=2 & task=view & searchtype=null & nav= & id=19 it was £100 but worth it as doctor had tried three times to get T4 and T3 tested and felt confident with diagnosing me when I showed him urine results. The idea is that the urine test tells you how much thyroid hormone you have actually USED over 24 hours whereas the blood will only tell you how much is in the blood at one specific time. You also need to be tested for thyroid antibodies. See TPA website, it'll tell you all about tests. Hope this helps, Ruth x > > Hello! > I'm hoping someone might be albe to shed some light on this > > I am 23 y/o and symptomatic of underactive thyroid (tired, feeling > down, cold extremeties, weight gain, brain fog, low concentration etc) > and was recently tested for thyroid function > > My results came in today with a TSH of 0.51 (lab range 0.35-5.50). I > just find it difficult to accept that I can be feeling so grotty and > ill, and still be within the normal range (and at the bottom end of > normal as opposed to the top end) > > Can anyone suggest anything else I should be asking for in terms of > tests to rule thyroid in/out once and for all? I haven't yet seen a > doctor, and was referred for bloods by the nurse practitioner. > > Oh, my blood glucose is 'normal' and I am waiting for my FBC to come > back > Thanks in advance > m/s > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Hi m/s, As docs don't do free t4 and free T3 it is difficult to tell what is actually going on. In your shoes I'd rule out candida, mercury from amalgams, low ferritin first. Subject: New and confused Hello! Can anyone suggest anything else I should be asking for in terms of tests to rule thyroid in/out once and for all? I haven't yet seen a doctor, and was referred for bloods by the nurse practitioner. Thanks in advance m/s ------------------------------------ Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Hi Phil, Could you please provide more info about the name of the antibodies test that you had? Here is some info about the thyroid auto-antibody tests. http://www.labtestsonline.org.uk/understanding/analytes/thyroid_antibodies/glanc\ e.html Cheers, P > Please can anyone help me out? Hi, my names phil I'm 48 and have just had antibodies test result back. Doc says is elevated, 44 should be no more than 35, but this is fairly meaningless to me. Does it mean I have autoimmune disease? Or just that I might develop it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Yes, results for Thyroid peroxidase antibody (TPOAb). Apparently others associated with this are yet to come back, t3 t4? Thanks for your reply.From: patersonia <patersonia@...>Subject: Re: new and confusedthyroid treatment Date: Monday, 21 June, 2010, 14:19 Hi Phil, Could you please provide more info about the name of the antibodies test that you had? Here is some info about the thyroid auto-antibody tests. http://www.labtestsonline.org.uk/understanding/analytes/thyroid_antibodies/glance.html Cheers, P > Please can anyone help me out? Hi, my names phil I'm 48 and have just had antibodies test result back. Doc says is elevated, 44 should be no more than 35, but this is fairly meaningless to me. Does it mean I have autoimmune disease? Or just that I might develop it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Hi Phil, Any antibodies show that there is an autoimmune reaction going on, it isn't a steady state, so this is just a snapshot and levels could be higher at other times as destruction of the thyroid progresses. Can you give your TSH and hopefully FT4 and FT3 as docs are often satisfied with numbers which are in range but not optimum. thyroid treatment From: philokwedy@...Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:23:13 +0000Subject: new and confused Please can anyone help me out? Hi, my names phil I'm 48 and have just had antibodies test result back. Doc says is elevated, 44 should be no more than 35, but this is fairly meaningless to me. Does it mean I have autoimmune disease? Or just that I might develop it? Have been trying to find out what's matter with me since March and had to change doctor to get antibodies as TSH normal. Feel like I've found the ball park only to find there's no seat number on my ticket! Any help, advice, similar experience shared, would be great.Thanksphil Get a new e-mail account with Hotmail - Free. Sign-up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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