New to the list

September 29, 2001

Hi Jel,

may I also echo Rods words what the hell took you so long :-)

Good to have you onboard, feel free to drop notes re your courses at

any time you like, you may also want to contact Ross and have something

added to the web page?

As I said nice to have you around,

atb

Ian

Listowner

New to the list

> Hi all

>

> Have just joined the list so thought I would say hello

>

> Am a GP in N Wales and active pre-hosp immediate care doctor. I

> (alongwith others) run the WEMSI Wilderness EMT and Command

> Physician courses

> here in the UK and have just got back from helping with one in Ireland

>

> I hope I can mention that the Nov course in Glenmore Lodge in Scotland

> has a few places left on it - feel free to email me if anyone wants

> more info about it

>

> Hope that is ok

>

> Cheers

> --

> Jel Coward

>

> The UK Wilderness Emergency Medical Technician and Command

> Physician course is

> on 4-10th November 2001 at Glenmore Lodge in Scotland

>

> http://www.wildmedic.org

> http://www.wemsi.org

>

> jel@...

>

> 'There's no such thing as bad weather - just bad clothing "

> Anon Norwegian

>

September 29, 2001

In article <118a10113648.113648118a10@...>, Ian Sharpe

<Ian@...> writes

>Hi Jel,

>

>may I also echo Rods words what the hell took you so long :-)

>

>Good to have you onboard, feel free to drop notes re your courses at

>any time you like, you may also want to contact Ross and have something

>added to the web page?

>

>As I said nice to have you around,

>

Hi Ian - thanks for the warm welcome from both yourself and Rod -

very few lists are this welcoming

Cheers

--

Jel

October 3, 2001

Hi Jel,

Despite Rod abusing all new members and trying to drive them off, :-)

we do try to keep it as personal as possible it makes for a nicer list.

atb

Ian

Re: New to the list

> In article <118a10113648.113648118a10@...>, Ian Sharpe

> <Ian@...> writes

> >Hi Jel,

> >

> >may I also echo Rods words what the hell took you so long :-)

> >

> >Good to have you onboard, feel free to drop notes re your courses

> at

> >any time you like, you may also want to contact Ross and have

> something

> >added to the web page?

> >

> >As I said nice to have you around,

> >

> Hi Ian - thanks for the warm welcome from both yourself and Rod

> -

> very few lists are this welcoming

>

> Cheers

> --

> Jel

>

October 11, 2001

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:40:35 -0800, you wrote:

>Hello everyone. I just joined the list, wanted to say hello and will be

>reviewing previous posts to get up to speed with the current discussions. I

>found out about the list through Sandy in Alaska. I too am here in Gods

>special land. I've been an advocate of avoiding vaccinations for many

>years. Coincidently I am listening to Art Bells Coast to Coast radio talk

>show with Joyce Riley at the moment and she's discussing vaccinations and

>more specifically the anthrax farce.

>

>Doug

Hello Doug,

Welcome to the list.

Last night I watched Nightline and a couple of high ranking experts said

Anthrax should be thought of as a poison, and not as an infectious germ.

They went on to say that one or two germs won't hurt you, but if you get a

big snoot full of it, then you could get sick and even die. They said you

really need a big dose of anthrax to get sick.

Personally, I think the germ theory of disease is a dangerous superstition.

Germs may correlate with disease, but that is not the same as causation.

Dave

PS. Please remember to edit your follow-ups. If you go " off digest " , you

could set up a separate folder in your email program, and filter your

incoming email on the word " vaccinations " . Then all your list mail will go

directly to the folder you created.

" We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters

will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to

the Internet, we know this is not true. "

- Professor Wilensky

October 11, 2001

Hi, Doug! Welcome! Sandy (also from Alaska)

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REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: FW: disagreements

>

>In a message dated 10/10/2001 4:48:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

>sandym@... writes:

>

>> You became sluggish and tired because you ran out of blood sugar and

could

>>

>

>I never said that I felt tired and sluggish, I eat my carbs and have lots

of

>energy. I have enough energy to get up a 5:30 run 5 miles, nurse and take

>care of a toddler. I felt sluggish before I became a vegan, I have more

>energy now than I ever did. I was overweight and tired all of the time

until

>I changed my diet. We could argue this forever and never agree on

anything,

>I think that your way of eating is nuts and I am sure that you think the

same

>of mine. To some people the way that they eat is almost like a religion to

>the ones that are trying to do it in a manner that they think is healthy,

and

>we all know that there is no point in arguing religion. There are

" experts "

>that say a vegetarian diet is best, there are " experts " that say a high

>protein/low or no carbs is best, some believe in everything in moderation,

it

>is just what you feel works best for you and your body.

>

October 15, 2001

Dear , Glad you have joined the list - I have just returned myself but did

spend a lot of time upt until last May on the lists.

Congratulations on all the weight that you lost. I also lost a lot of weight

back in 1997 basically on a combined anti-candid/ER4YT diet. Last sinter I found

out that i am a non-secretor and was not at all surprised - the picture fit!

Re Sleep- a complicated issue - I have had trouble since perimenopause,

exascerated by a lot of stress from serious illness and then gettin hooked on

sleeping pills(not not a problem). I too have had the 4 hour problem - very

annoying.

There is a definite connection between carb intake and ability to sleep - it is

said that sugars will cause a surge in insulin and that the tryptophan in the

blood stream (an amino acid that is the runt of the litter and has a hard time

competing to cross the blood brain barrier) can get across while the other

aminos are busy taking sugar to the muscles. This is the basis for the books

like " Potatoes not Prozac and " Sugar Addicts Recovery Program " . In them it is

suggested to have a planned insulin surge by eating a baked potato at night - 3

hours after dinner. This does not work for me and is not blood type friendly-

the author also suggests oatmeal and sweet potato as alternatives. The oatmeal

works for me but as a " non " , I start to feel crummy after a few days of that -

kinda toxic really - and really packs on the weight!. Even the sweet potato

which i believe is OK for my blood type does not keep me asleep. The only

solution I have found is to use 5HTP - also called Griffonia which was

recommended by my naturopath. It is a derivative of tryptophan, I believe but

would know more.

I understand your concerns - my naturopath told me and I have read it in various

places that the body has different cycles and that it should not be digesting at

night - it should be assimilating and then eliminating. I will be very

interested in hearing what others have to say on this subject. I can tell you

that i feel much healthier with a 12-14 hour fast. At first, i thought I would

probably die without food before bed but was very pleasantly surprised at how

much better I felt the next day..

Today I have had very little carbs - just cut out fruit again- and it will be

interesting to see how my sleep is. I have been very energized today on the

lower carb diet. There is much to learn here and it is exciting. All the best,

Heidi

new to the list

Hello list.

Right now I am dealing with two major nutrition issues, although it

has only recently come to my attention that they are related.

Insomnia and weight loss.

Additionally, I started having a serious sleep disorder called " sleep

maintenance insomnia " . Essentially, I sleep for about four hours and

wake up, unable to get back to sleep. As most of you know, one can

not function very long on four hours sleep. ...... It's the insulin reaction,

the body temperature change, the

hunger that wakes me. Once I've had 4 hours sleep, I'm refreshed

enough that I cannot return to sleep for several hours or until my

body goes back into sleep mode. ....I'm

feeling much better since starting this new regime late last week.

Any thoughts on whether or not a protein snack before bed would work

just as well for type O? Do any of you have similar sleep problems

associated with weight loss? I'm concerned about eating late at

night, right before bed. Am I buying into the myth?

October 15, 2001

Heidi;

Thanks for your response. I have an appointment with a Naturopath on

Wednesday. I'm curious to see what he'll say. My friend - the

aforementioned blood type A - recommended 5HTP along with magnesium,

B6 and a handful of other vitamins. I believe this is the reason I

feel better, even though I may not be sleeping longer.

I will probably check out the books you cited. My mother is also

having difficulty loosing weight. She, too, is type O. Her doctor

recommended the Sugar Addicts Recovery Program, although I believe

she's following Atkins program right now.

Given what I've read here today, I will probably cut down on my fruit

intake and substitute more vegetables.

October 15, 2001

Hi Again, I think there are good ideas in Sugar Addict's Recov.... and have

just spent time working on that - trying to combine the ideas there with ER4YT

and it does not work at all - I have not been able to lose any weight because it

stresses complex carbs and far more than an O would be able to handle. I have

become very disillusioned with the program although it does promote good habits

such as eating 3 meals and a snack and it has some good advice for the very

overweight person. It would work well probably for A type.

I also had joined YLD - see radiantrecovery.com but found that not a lot of info

was given - it was more of a support group with often hurt feelings etc. Not my

bag.

I feel that I have come home to ER4YT . My suggestion to you is to find out your

secretor status and follow the recommendations for your type. Glad you have an

appointment with a naturopath. Heidi

RE: new to the list

Heidi;

Thanks for your response. I have an appointment with a Naturopath on

Wednesday. I'm curious to see what he'll say. My friend - the

aforementioned blood type A - recommended 5HTP along with magnesium,

B6 and a handful of other vitamins. I believe this is the reason I

feel better, even though I may not be sleeping longer.

I will probably check out the books you cited. My mother is also

having difficulty loosing weight. She, too, is type O. Her doctor

recommended the Sugar Addicts Recovery Program, although I believe

she's following Atkins program right now.

Given what I've read here today, I will probably cut down on my fruit

intake and substitute more vegetables.

October 16, 2001

> Hello list.

>

> My name is . I have recently joined this list to

become more

> familiar with how to live right for my type.

>

> Right now I am dealing with two major nutrition

issues, although it

> has only recently come to my attention that they are

related.

> Insomnia and weight loss.

>

> Additionally, I started having a serious sleep

disorder called " sleep

> maintenance insomnia " . Essentially, I sleep for about

four hours and

> wake up, unable to get back to sleep. As most of you

know, one can

> not function very long on four hours sleep. Recently

I was talking

> with a friend (type A that follows his plan

religiously) who linked

> the two situations. Most diet people tell you not to

eat after 4pm or

> so. It's the insulin reaction, the body temperature

change, the

> hunger that wakes me. Once I've had 4 hours sleep,

I'm refreshed

> enough that I cannot return to sleep for several hours

or until my

> body goes back into sleep mode. The solution

recommended for this

> sleep disorder is to eat a complex carbohydrate before

bed along with

> a handful of supplements. Of course they recommend

oatmeal but since

> I can't have oatmeal, I go with the (neutral) spelt

bread. I'm

> feeling much better since starting this new regime

late last week.

> Any thoughts on whether or not a protein snack before

bed would work

> just as well for type O? Do any of you have similar

sleep problems

> associated with weight loss? I'm concerned about

eating late at

> night, right before bed. Am I buying into the myth?

>

Hello . Be sure to understand the difference in how

your body feels from waking up from 1) a " whip-back "

blood-sugar response to an excess of carbs and 2) the 3-

4 hour natural peak-surge in growth hormone out of stage

3-4 deep sleep that can easily accompany a meal that

supports the anabolic-growth promoting phase of the

body's regeneration cycle. It is possible (especially in

congruence with anaerobic activities that stimulate

growth-hormone secretion (HGH) and certain ancient

medicinal herbs that encourage healthy hormone

production levels) to awaken with a sudden " rush " of

thermogenic-charging energy. Kind of a ringing of the

biological furnace's bells if you will. To enter this

state for me personally it I must establish at minimum a

flirtatious relationship with the physiological state

known as ketosis. This is best achieved on a low-carb

diet, in order to allow insulin levels to even out and

stay comfortably low. The meal that precedes this

ancient cave-dwelling practice is based primarily on a

big chunk of meat (or an elegant gourmet ground meat

muffin w/ seaveggies and herbs/spices) and plenty of

fats (animal and/or vegetable in origin). The state of

ketosis allows someone's body supreme ability to utilize

the ketone bodies that result from the breakdown of

fatty acids, be they from the fat taken in through the

digestive tract or the body's own store of fat, the

adipose tissue. Taking enough magnesium/calcium, vitamin

C (really the bioflavinoids, so lemon water is extra

good!) and CLA with a healthy ratio of EFAs allows one

very functional ability to wake up from 3-4 hours of

sleep, as the body becomes capable of actually waking

you up by turning the " thermostat " up when burning your

own body's store of body fat (they don't call it break-

fast for nothing folks!). Successful cave-people

probably got buff and powerful while repeatedly

journeying to the cave-fire to tear off another chunk of

meat from whatever huge beast the hunters or gatherers

(traps anyone?) managed to drag/carry home the previous

day. Body to Brain: " Feeling great! Keep up the good

work! More fuel for the furnace please! "

At least that's my theory. I'm a weight-training young

man though.

I'm wondering: how do you feel exactly when you wake up

after those few hours of sleep? If you feel energized,

positive, optimistic, in other words healthy than it is

possible you are enjoying your body's production of a

higher than usual amount of growth hormone. This could

be a good thing for you, as the growth-phase allows one

to heal very well...

If I wake up from a case of late-night hypoglycemia, I

find the only way I can placate my body into letting me

fall back into the blessed oblivion of true

unconsciousness is to shovel more carbs in... perhaps

this releases more serotonin ... sort of a biochemical

dependency to re-enter a phsiological state? When I wake

up from sugar-cravings, I have more of a feeling of

panic, a desperation of the body. This is not the same

feeling as waking up from a gratifying surge in human

growth hormone and efficiently burning my own body's

long-term energy. Though the fat-burning ketosis as a

metabolic process is physiologically more similar to the

fasting state, it is not as prone to " panic mode " as the

hypoglycemia that can result from the O's weakness for

blood-sugar response to carbs. The fat stores are a

safer fuel, more stable, more easily controlled. The

most glycogen your muscles can hold for usable energy is

about one day's worth, and the liver can be depleted of

the stored sugar-as-energy for a little longer. The

amount of energy stored in the body's adipose tissue

always gives me reason to pause and ponder how endurable

we could be during times of famine.

Note that there is also a problem in ketosis... where

one cannot sleep very readily...

Which one is it? Please note that a high-carb pre-sleep

meal is going to encourage body-fat storage and weight

gain from fat, while a low-carb high-protein and

possibly high-fat pre-sleep meal will encourage a more

growth-promoting environment, if you are exercising on a

regular basis (meaning being significantly physically

active). I haven't figured out exactly how to stabilize

this, as I've sometimes indulged by going to the gym in

the early morning, lifting weights than eating more meat

and fat and veggies, then falling asleep to awaken just

after noon with more energy, of course eating a

satisfying meal of meat and fat and veggies or live

nut/seed smoothie (400-600 calories, 20-35 g protein &

tons of live fat!) and then bolting off for work.

Though it sounds funny, it isn't. I've currently been

working on how to put more fat onto my bones. I think

I've found out how to get really " cut " , lean, and

muscly. Now I need to learn how to grow adequate fat

stores in order to handle the colder impending season

(Minnesota anyone?) and see if I can last a night in

full-throttle mode... so I've fallen in love with squash!

October 16, 2001

Much food for thought. Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I'm

going to have to give it consideration. I've only just made the

hypoglycemic connection. It seems that I had made a connection about

a year ago that eating simple carbs before bed left me feeling like I

had been drinking alcohol. I cut that out quick! I'll have to do

some reading, experimentation and journaling to figure out what I eat

and how I feel.

> Now I need to learn how to grow adequate fat

> stores in order to handle the colder impending season

> (Minnesota anyone?)

Minneapolis here. Actually, I'm a transplant from Dallas, heading

into my fourth winter. I hope it's not as bad as last year.

and see if I can last a night in

> full-throttle mode... so I've fallen in love with squash!

I'm a big squash lover, too. I love harvest season!

October 16, 2001

Heidi wrote:

> I think there are good ideas in Sugar Addict's

> Recov.... and have just spent time working on that - trying

> to combine the ideas there with ER4YT and it does not work

> at all

Heidi;

I understand your frustration. There are so many theories out there,

I've tried to combine them and it just boggles my mind. I can't eat

anything! I find give up and head for Mc's. The trick for me is

to pick ONE and stick with it. I know several people that have had

success with this program and it seems to ring true for me; things

like mold allergies, ulcers, and a highly acid system. It makes

sense, too, that there wouldn't be one size fits all diet needs. We

are too individual for that.

October 16, 2001

Hi , I agree with you - i have found that the O diet works for me - i just

got into a period thinking that i should have a more balanced diet. I am back to

rereading LR4YT and applying it - did not stray too afar but learned a lesson.

As a non-secretor, it is more difficult to lose weight but no doubt more

important to follow the blood type diet. Good LucK to you. Heidi

RE: new to the list

I know several people that have had

success with this program and it seems to ring true for me; things

like mold allergies, ulcers, and a highly acid system. It makes

sense, too, that there wouldn't be one size fits all diet needs. We

are too individual for that.

November 14, 2001

TWO PUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sooooooooooooooo jealous!!!

Oh by the way-welcome to the group!!

Prodanyk

www.geocities.com/snowsmurfie

www.geocities.com/pcfctb

New to the list

> Hello,

>

> My name is , I am 27 years old and live in Tulsa,

> OK with my two pug dogs and cat. I Was Dx at bith with

> Syndrome. Syndrome is a Chromosmal defect that causes Short

> Stature and infertility in girls. I am glad I have found this list,

> as at time it is hard to talk to people about what I maybe facing or

> feeling due to my short stature. I am also hoping to attend one of

> the D7 meetings, as soon as i know of dates. I was also wondering, is

> there any groups in the Tulsa area? Anyway, I wanted to say Hi and

> look foward in getting to know some of you.

>

> Sincerely,

> , Smokie Jo, Jasmine and Misti

> Tulsa, OK

>

> ===

>

December 6, 2001

bs this month,

> but can't find

> citric acid anywhere around here in Orlando. Mail

> order is not going

> to be fast enough. Anyone have any ideas?

>

> Zoo

Check you yellow pages and see if you have any home

brewing stores in your area. They should carry it.

That's where I got mine )

=====

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December 6, 2001

Hi zoo,

we carry citric acid on our site for $1.96 a pound...we are in Fl also,

otherwise a home brew store may have it or a local pharmacy may have it for

about $10.00 a pound

Lucina

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

Living Healthy! Living Well!

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs

New to the list

> Howdy folks, I am new to this list. I have been making soap for

> almost 3 years now for myself and family. I started making it because

> I have thyroid disease and it made my skin super sensitive to

> everything.

> I am going to try my hand at bath bombs this month, but can't find

> citric acid anywhere around here in Orlando. Mail order is not going

> to be fast enough. Anyone have any ideas?

>

> Zoo

> http://zootribe.topcities.com/zootribe.html

>

> is brought to you by the folks at Glenbrook Farms Herbs and

Such!

> Over 700 herbs & spices, soapmaking supplies, recipes,books,citric acid

and more!

>

December 6, 2001

I just purchased Citric Acid at a local health food store and paid $2.89

for 4 ounces so this price sounds a lot better!

barb

Glenbrook Farms wrote:

> Hi zoo,

> we carry citric acid on our site for $1.96 a pound...we are in Fl

> also,

> otherwise a home brew store may have it or a local pharmacy may have

> it for

> about $10.00 a pound

>

> Lucina

> Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

> Living Healthy! Living Well!

> http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs

> New to the list

>

> > Howdy folks, I am new to this list. I have been making soap for

> > almost 3 years now for myself and family. I started making it

> because

> > I have thyroid disease and it made my skin super sensitive to

> > everything.

> > I am going to try my hand at bath bombs this month, but can't find

> > citric acid anywhere around here in Orlando. Mail order is not going

>

> > to be fast enough. Anyone have any ideas?

> >

> > Zoo

> > http://zootribe.topcities.com/zootribe.html

> >

> > is brought to you by the folks at Glenbrook Farms

> Herbs and

> Such!

> > Over 700 herbs & spices, soapmaking supplies, recipes,books,citric

> acid

> and more!

> >

May 1, 2002

Sandy! Welcome! First off, I'd fire his sorry butt! His response to

you was unexcusable! Zoloft 50mg a low dose. SSRI's can take up to 6

weeks to take effect. However, you need to find a doc that you feel

you guys can work with! Is he eating or sleeping all the time? What

city or state do you live in?Hang tough,

> Hello,

> I am new member to this group. My son was recently went on

medication for

> OCD--Zoloft. He is really struggling right now and is no longer

feels able

> to go to school. Hello everyone, I will try to keep this as brief

as

> possible, but I'm an

> emotional wreck and need your support. I have a 16 y.o. son with

OCD. He

> was diagnosed with mild OCD at a very early age (8-9). His

compulsive

> behaviors at that time were common including frequent hand washing,

germ

> phobia, checking whether the doors were locked, checking numbers

on the

> clock and microwave, and turning light switches on and off many

times.

> While he did have all these symptoms, he did not do them to extent

that his

> pediatrician felt he needed meds. His pediatrician gave him some

behavioral

> techniques to use to help control his OCD, and he was able to stop

and/or

> control many of these behaviors to the point that I felt he'd made

a huge

> step in controlling his OCD. During the middle school years, my

son began

> developing other symptoms mainly related to his appearance. He

never looks

> good enough, his hair and clothes have to be perfect, he hates his

face,

> teeth, body- size.....I mean, you name it, and he hates it about

himself.

> He's actually very handsome, but he doesn't think so. He's thinner

than his

> younger brother, and that bothers him too. Since the beginning of

high

> school, he has been chronically late or absent from school, but was

always

> able to recover missed school assignments and pass with mostly B's

and the

> occasional C. This has become more chronic since 10th grade (which

he is in

> now) that it is now affecting his grades.

>

> He saw a psychiatrist about a month ago and he fussed at me for not

bringing

> him sooner. They have put him on Zoloft, and he seemed to do

better with no

> absences for 2 weeks--then spring break came and the bottom fell

out. Over

> the last two weeks, he has only gone to school 3 days. His doctor

is out of

> town until May 1st, and I don't know what to do. He just sleeps

all day and

> complains of headaches and general malaise. His doctor told me to

be his

> support. If he didn't want to go that day or if he need to go in

late than

> I was simply relax about and not get upset....I was to support and

comfort.

>

> My son doesn't feel like the medication (Zoloft 50 mg.) is working

and his

> doctor isn't available until next week to offer him any

counseling. He just

> stays in bed until the school day is over, to exhausted to get up

to eat,

> brush his teeth, etc. I bring him his food. He's such a sweet

boy, kind

> and loving, and genuinely sorry for all that's

> happening. I know there's no magic wand I can wave, I just need to

vent to

> those that will understand. This has got me feeling so worried.

>

> The doctor returned from his vacation and called yesterday and

wants me to

> increase his meds from 50 to 75mg. over the next 3 days; then to

100 mg.

> after that and to call him back on Monday. If the doctors on this

list feel

> this is increasing his med too rapidly, please tell me. My son saw

this

> doctor once before the doctor left on an extended vacation. I

personally

> did not care for the doctor's attitude during our phone

conversation. He

> was rude and arrogant. He said if he staying in his room all day

and can't

> pull it together (as he put it), I should tell him the doctor

thinks he

> should go into the hospital! Hospitalization, to me, seems like it

should

> be a last resort...but I don't know maybe I'm wrong. His harsh

attitude

> about this rubbed me the wrong way. Well, I shed a few tears

during our

> conversation and expressed how concerned I was for him. I

said, " He's my

> baby. " His response: " He's not your baby! " To which I

responded, " Well,

> you know what I mean...my kids will always be my babies. " He

replied, " He's

> not your baby...And you're part of the problem! " " Look, just

increase his

> medication like I said and call me Monday. " I just said, " Okay, "

and hung

> up. This really burned me up. This man doesn't know me. He

doesn't know

> my strengths but certainly assumed my weaknesses. Geez, I don't

express my

> worries and tears in front my son. I'm in the process of finding

another

> doctor in the Atlanta area. Your comments and support are

appreciated.

>

> p.s. I did some research on the computer and read about BDD. The

> psychiatrist he saw never mention this condition to us. It sounds

like he

> may be suffering from this as well.

>

> Thanks for listening,

> Sandi - Atlanta, GA

May 1, 2002

Sandy! Welcome! First off, I'd fire his sorry butt! His response to

you was unexcusable! Zoloft 50mg a low dose. SSRI's can take up to 6

weeks to take effect. However, you need to find a doc that you feel

you guys can work with! Is he eating or sleeping all the time? What

city or state do you live in?Hang tough,

> Hello,

> I am new member to this group. My son was recently went on

medication for

> OCD--Zoloft. He is really struggling right now and is no longer

feels able

> to go to school. Hello everyone, I will try to keep this as brief

as

> possible, but I'm an

> emotional wreck and need your support. I have a 16 y.o. son with

OCD. He

> was diagnosed with mild OCD at a very early age (8-9). His

compulsive

> behaviors at that time were common including frequent hand washing,

germ

> phobia, checking whether the doors were locked, checking numbers

on the

> clock and microwave, and turning light switches on and off many

times.

> While he did have all these symptoms, he did not do them to extent

that his

> pediatrician felt he needed meds. His pediatrician gave him some

behavioral

> techniques to use to help control his OCD, and he was able to stop

and/or

> control many of these behaviors to the point that I felt he'd made

a huge

> step in controlling his OCD. During the middle school years, my

son began

> developing other symptoms mainly related to his appearance. He

never looks

> good enough, his hair and clothes have to be perfect, he hates his

face,

> teeth, body- size.....I mean, you name it, and he hates it about

himself.

> He's actually very handsome, but he doesn't think so. He's thinner

than his

> younger brother, and that bothers him too. Since the beginning of

high

> school, he has been chronically late or absent from school, but was

always

> able to recover missed school assignments and pass with mostly B's

and the

> occasional C. This has become more chronic since 10th grade (which

he is in

> now) that it is now affecting his grades.

>

> He saw a psychiatrist about a month ago and he fussed at me for not

bringing

> him sooner. They have put him on Zoloft, and he seemed to do

better with no

> absences for 2 weeks--then spring break came and the bottom fell

out. Over

> the last two weeks, he has only gone to school 3 days. His doctor

is out of

> town until May 1st, and I don't know what to do. He just sleeps

all day and

> complains of headaches and general malaise. His doctor told me to

be his

> support. If he didn't want to go that day or if he need to go in

late than

> I was simply relax about and not get upset....I was to support and

comfort.

>

> My son doesn't feel like the medication (Zoloft 50 mg.) is working

and his

> doctor isn't available until next week to offer him any

counseling. He just

> stays in bed until the school day is over, to exhausted to get up

to eat,

> brush his teeth, etc. I bring him his food. He's such a sweet

boy, kind

> and loving, and genuinely sorry for all that's

> happening. I know there's no magic wand I can wave, I just need to

vent to

> those that will understand. This has got me feeling so worried.

>

> The doctor returned from his vacation and called yesterday and

wants me to

> increase his meds from 50 to 75mg. over the next 3 days; then to

100 mg.

> after that and to call him back on Monday. If the doctors on this

list feel

> this is increasing his med too rapidly, please tell me. My son saw

this

> doctor once before the doctor left on an extended vacation. I

personally

> did not care for the doctor's attitude during our phone

conversation. He

> was rude and arrogant. He said if he staying in his room all day

and can't

> pull it together (as he put it), I should tell him the doctor

thinks he

> should go into the hospital! Hospitalization, to me, seems like it

should

> be a last resort...but I don't know maybe I'm wrong. His harsh

attitude

> about this rubbed me the wrong way. Well, I shed a few tears

during our

> conversation and expressed how concerned I was for him. I

said, " He's my

> baby. " His response: " He's not your baby! " To which I

responded, " Well,

> you know what I mean...my kids will always be my babies. " He

replied, " He's

> not your baby...And you're part of the problem! " " Look, just

increase his

> medication like I said and call me Monday. " I just said, " Okay, "

and hung

> up. This really burned me up. This man doesn't know me. He

doesn't know

> my strengths but certainly assumed my weaknesses. Geez, I don't

express my

> worries and tears in front my son. I'm in the process of finding

another

> doctor in the Atlanta area. Your comments and support are

appreciated.

>

> p.s. I did some research on the computer and read about BDD. The

> psychiatrist he saw never mention this condition to us. It sounds

like he

> may be suffering from this as well.

>

> Thanks for listening,

> Sandi - Atlanta, GA

May 1, 2002

Sandy! Welcome! First off, I'd fire his sorry butt! His response to

you was unexcusable! Zoloft 50mg a low dose. SSRI's can take up to 6

weeks to take effect. However, you need to find a doc that you feel

you guys can work with! Is he eating or sleeping all the time? What

city or state do you live in?Hang tough,

> Hello,

> I am new member to this group. My son was recently went on

medication for

> OCD--Zoloft. He is really struggling right now and is no longer

feels able

> to go to school. Hello everyone, I will try to keep this as brief

as

> possible, but I'm an

> emotional wreck and need your support. I have a 16 y.o. son with

OCD. He

> was diagnosed with mild OCD at a very early age (8-9). His

compulsive

> behaviors at that time were common including frequent hand washing,

germ

> phobia, checking whether the doors were locked, checking numbers

on the

> clock and microwave, and turning light switches on and off many

times.

> While he did have all these symptoms, he did not do them to extent

that his

> pediatrician felt he needed meds. His pediatrician gave him some

behavioral

> techniques to use to help control his OCD, and he was able to stop

and/or

> control many of these behaviors to the point that I felt he'd made

a huge

> step in controlling his OCD. During the middle school years, my

son began

> developing other symptoms mainly related to his appearance. He

never looks

> good enough, his hair and clothes have to be perfect, he hates his

face,

> teeth, body- size.....I mean, you name it, and he hates it about

himself.

> He's actually very handsome, but he doesn't think so. He's thinner

than his

> younger brother, and that bothers him too. Since the beginning of

high

> school, he has been chronically late or absent from school, but was

always

> able to recover missed school assignments and pass with mostly B's

and the

> occasional C. This has become more chronic since 10th grade (which

he is in

> now) that it is now affecting his grades.

>

> He saw a psychiatrist about a month ago and he fussed at me for not

bringing

> him sooner. They have put him on Zoloft, and he seemed to do

better with no

> absences for 2 weeks--then spring break came and the bottom fell

out. Over

> the last two weeks, he has only gone to school 3 days. His doctor

is out of

> town until May 1st, and I don't know what to do. He just sleeps

all day and

> complains of headaches and general malaise. His doctor told me to

be his

> support. If he didn't want to go that day or if he need to go in

late than

> I was simply relax about and not get upset....I was to support and

comfort.

>

> My son doesn't feel like the medication (Zoloft 50 mg.) is working

and his

> doctor isn't available until next week to offer him any

counseling. He just

> stays in bed until the school day is over, to exhausted to get up

to eat,

> brush his teeth, etc. I bring him his food. He's such a sweet

boy, kind

> and loving, and genuinely sorry for all that's

> happening. I know there's no magic wand I can wave, I just need to

vent to

> those that will understand. This has got me feeling so worried.

>

> The doctor returned from his vacation and called yesterday and

wants me to

> increase his meds from 50 to 75mg. over the next 3 days; then to

100 mg.

> after that and to call him back on Monday. If the doctors on this

list feel

> this is increasing his med too rapidly, please tell me. My son saw

this

> doctor once before the doctor left on an extended vacation. I

personally

> did not care for the doctor's attitude during our phone

conversation. He

> was rude and arrogant. He said if he staying in his room all day

and can't

> pull it together (as he put it), I should tell him the doctor

thinks he

> should go into the hospital! Hospitalization, to me, seems like it

should

> be a last resort...but I don't know maybe I'm wrong. His harsh

attitude

> about this rubbed me the wrong way. Well, I shed a few tears

during our

> conversation and expressed how concerned I was for him. I

said, " He's my

> baby. " His response: " He's not your baby! " To which I

responded, " Well,

> you know what I mean...my kids will always be my babies. " He

replied, " He's

> not your baby...And you're part of the problem! " " Look, just

increase his

> medication like I said and call me Monday. " I just said, " Okay, "

and hung

> up. This really burned me up. This man doesn't know me. He

doesn't know

> my strengths but certainly assumed my weaknesses. Geez, I don't

express my

> worries and tears in front my son. I'm in the process of finding

another

> doctor in the Atlanta area. Your comments and support are

appreciated.

>

> p.s. I did some research on the computer and read about BDD. The

> psychiatrist he saw never mention this condition to us. It sounds

like he

> may be suffering from this as well.

>

> Thanks for listening,

> Sandi - Atlanta, GA

May 1, 2002

> Sandy! Welcome! First off, I'd fire his sorry butt! His response to

> you was unexcusable! Zoloft 50mg a low dose. SSRI's can take up to 6

> weeks to take effect.

Yes, you're right. While the doctor was on vacation, I called the doctors

on call AND I called his office. No one would allow us to increase his

medication. So for two weeks now he has been wrapped up in his comforter

sleeping the day away. It makes no difference if I go in his room and say,

" Come on now, you need to wake up. " He just can't seem to move--says he

feel too tired. He has also said he feel weird.

I have to remind him to brush his teeth, encourage him to eat (although I've

noticed his appetite has decreased as well as the desire for some foods he

used to enjoy). Yet, all the reminding in the world won't do any good if he

won't get up and do what it is he needs to do.

To top things off, my husband is a consultant and currently works out of

state. This is very hard on him too, but I bear the responsibility at

home--alone without a shoulder to lean on for support. When he calls, I'm

like a raw nerve and feel the need to cry. Well, I know he cares and he'd

rather be home, but he also doesn't deal with it 24 / 7 like I do. When I

see the light at the end of the tunnel things will begin to get easier, I

know. Last night I may have caught a glimpse of that light. Yesterday was

his first day at 75 mg., but I swear he seemed a little more like

himself......he actually smiled last night and seemed to have more energy.

I said to him, " You act like you feel a little better! " He said, " I kind of

do. " So that was encouraging. He still didn't go to school today.....and

it looks like he won't be able to make up all the work he's missed in his

classes this semester. I've encouraged him to try and do some make up work

the teacher's sent home, but he's not trying hard, and it would take some

REAL effort to pull it off. The other option the school counselor gave me

is for him to withdrawal from this semester, get credit for the first

semester, and for him to attend summer school. Does anyone have any advice

for me regarding school?

I live in the Northwest metro area of Atlanta, Georgia.

Thanks for all your support!

Sandi

However, you need to find a doc that you feel

> you guys can work with! Is he eating or sleeping all the time? What

> city or state do you live in?Hang tough,

>

> > Hello,

> > I am new member to this group. My son was recently went on

> medication for

> > OCD--Zoloft. He is really struggling right now and is no longer

> feels able

> > to go to school. Hello everyone, I will try to keep this as brief

> as

> > possible, but I'm an

> > emotional wreck and need your support. I have a 16 y.o. son with

> OCD. He

> > was diagnosed with mild OCD at a very early age (8-9). His

> compulsive

> > behaviors at that time were common including frequent hand washing,

> germ

> > phobia, checking whether the doors were locked, checking numbers

> on the

> > clock and microwave, and turning light switches on and off many

> times.

> > While he did have all these symptoms, he did not do them to extent

> that his

> > pediatrician felt he needed meds. His pediatrician gave him some

> behavioral

> > techniques to use to help control his OCD, and he was able to stop

> and/or

> > control many of these behaviors to the point that I felt he'd made

> a huge

> > step in controlling his OCD. During the middle school years, my

> son began

> > developing other symptoms mainly related to his appearance. He

> never looks

> > good enough, his hair and clothes have to be perfect, he hates his

> face,

> > teeth, body- size.....I mean, you name it, and he hates it about

> himself.

> > He's actually very handsome, but he doesn't think so. He's thinner

> than his

> > younger brother, and that bothers him too. Since the beginning of

> high

> > school, he has been chronically late or absent from school, but was

> always

> > able to recover missed school assignments and pass with mostly B's

> and the

> > occasional C. This has become more chronic since 10th grade (which

> he is in

> > now) that it is now affecting his grades.

> >

> > He saw a psychiatrist about a month ago and he fussed at me for not

> bringing

> > him sooner. They have put him on Zoloft, and he seemed to do

> better with no

> > absences for 2 weeks--then spring break came and the bottom fell

> out. Over

> > the last two weeks, he has only gone to school 3 days. His doctor

> is out of

> > town until May 1st, and I don't know what to do. He just sleeps

> all day and

> > complains of headaches and general malaise. His doctor told me to

> be his

> > support. If he didn't want to go that day or if he need to go in

> late than

> > I was simply relax about and not get upset....I was to support and

> comfort.

> >

> > My son doesn't feel like the medication (Zoloft 50 mg.) is working

> and his

> > doctor isn't available until next week to offer him any

> counseling. He just

> > stays in bed until the school day is over, to exhausted to get up

> to eat,

> > brush his teeth, etc. I bring him his food. He's such a sweet

> boy, kind

> > and loving, and genuinely sorry for all that's

> > happening. I know there's no magic wand I can wave, I just need to

> vent to

> > those that will understand. This has got me feeling so worried.

> >

> > The doctor returned from his vacation and called yesterday and

> wants me to

> > increase his meds from 50 to 75mg. over the next 3 days; then to

> 100 mg.

> > after that and to call him back on Monday. If the doctors on this

> list feel

> > this is increasing his med too rapidly, please tell me. My son saw

> this

> > doctor once before the doctor left on an extended vacation. I

> personally

> > did not care for the doctor's attitude during our phone

> conversation. He

> > was rude and arrogant. He said if he staying in his room all day

> and can't

> > pull it together (as he put it), I should tell him the doctor

> thinks he

> > should go into the hospital! Hospitalization, to me, seems like it

> should

> > be a last resort...but I don't know maybe I'm wrong. His harsh

> attitude

> > about this rubbed me the wrong way. Well, I shed a few tears

> during our

> > conversation and expressed how concerned I was for him. I

> said, " He's my

> > baby. " His response: " He's not your baby! " To which I

> responded, " Well,

> > you know what I mean...my kids will always be my babies. " He

> replied, " He's

> > not your baby...And you're part of the problem! " " Look, just

> increase his

> > medication like I said and call me Monday. " I just said, " Okay, "

> and hung

> > up. This really burned me up. This man doesn't know me. He

> doesn't know

> > my strengths but certainly assumed my weaknesses. Geez, I don't

> express my

> > worries and tears in front my son. I'm in the process of finding

> another

> > doctor in the Atlanta area. Your comments and support are

> appreciated.

> >

> > p.s. I did some research on the computer and read about BDD. The

> > psychiatrist he saw never mention this condition to us. It sounds

> like he

> > may be suffering from this as well.

> >

> > Thanks for listening,

> > Sandi - Atlanta, GA

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