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October 6, 2000

I for one can vouch for the possitive effects of GH therapy, Especially if

one is defficient to begin with.. But,,,, I think Dixie looks

worse now than before the GH.. Sorry, Just my opinion.. Marty

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>Is that what most of you are using? Do you think the

>ingested GH works as well?

>

>Thanks,

> Carly

>

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>

October 6, 2000

Who in the world is Dixie ?

Dale

MARTY wrote:

> I for one can vouch for the possitive effects of GH therapy, Especially if

> one is defficient to begin with.. But,,,, I think Dixie looks

> worse now than before the GH.. Sorry, Just my opinion.. Marty

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>

> >Is that what most of you are using? Do you think the

> >ingested GH works as well?

> >

> >Thanks,

> > Carly

> >

> >__________________________________________________

> >

October 6, 2000

She was the older brunette on the TV sitcom, Designing Women. She now plays

an attorney on TV series, Law & Order. Marty

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>>

>> >Is that what most of you are using? Do you think the

>> >ingested GH works as well?

>> >

>> >Thanks,

>> > Carly

>> >

>> >__________________________________________________

>> >

December 14, 2000

> Hi all,

>

> Many on the list are giving themselves injections, it seems, and I'm

> curious about one thing. Do you pull back on the plunger to check for blood

> before you depress the plunger?

>

> Thanks,

> Sue B.

Sue B., Thats a must on all shots. I've been giving myself shots since 1994.

The IM shots you have to pull back to be sure you aren't in a vein. If you draw

blood of course you are and need to move the injection sight. FOr the IV shots

you've got to draw to be sure you ARE in the vein. In fact with the 15cc IV push

shot that I do, I may draw back 3-4 times in the 10 minutes it takes to get the

whole amount in to be sure that the needle hasn't slipped out of the vein. Judy

R.

December 14, 2000

Yes. That's how I was taught to do it.

lindaj@...

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> Hi all,

>

> Many on the list are giving themselves injections, it seems, and I'm

> curious about one thing. Do you pull back on the plunger to check for

blood

> before you depress the plunger?

>

> Thanks,

> Sue B.

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

December 14, 2000

From: rhbailey@... [mailto:rhbailey@...]

Many on the list are giving themselves injections, it seems, and I'm

curious about one thing. Do you pull back on the plunger to check for blood

before you depress the plunger?

[Patti] Yes. Its highly unlikely that you would be hitting a vessel (if

using common sites like outside thigh, stomach etc) , but prudent to check

first.

December 23, 2000

HI, ,

>Actually, you inject air into the vials each time you draw out a shot, and

>air can contain viruses and bacteria floating around on dust particles or

>in

>moisture droplets in the air.

This can be minimized by holding the unopened syringe upright with the

needle toward the top, breaking the paper through at the plunger end, and

drawing the air in with the syringe still in the package. The air drawn in

(for injecting into the first vial) will be the sterile air from inside the

needle cover and package. If you are drawing material from more than one

vial, draw from the largest/newest first, and from any single-use vials

last.

a,

>In one needle ( 3ml. 23 g 1 " ) I use : 1cc Thiamine 100 mg.

> 1cc

>Pyrodoxine 100 mg.

> 1cc

>Hydroxycobalamin 3 mg.

>

>And then I take a seperate shot of Magnesium Sulfate 1 gram/ 2cc in the

>same

>type needle. Both are three times a week.

The Mg sulfate may hurt less if you mix it with the other vitamins in the

syringe, as this will reduce the ionic strength to much closer to

physiologic. The Mg should not interfere with any of the vitamins you list.

I would suggest trying that a few times to see if it works better.

My own experience with painful injections is with thiamine. They are much

less painful when mixed with hydroxycobalamine, even with 2mL thiamine and 1

mL of hB12.

Jerry

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My spouse was plagued by lower back pain, very intense...he has been a tile

contractor for over 20

years so a lot of wear and tear...he was in so much pain that they recommended

the block...after a

long talk with friends and a family doc we decided against as it was a temporary

fix..he did see a

physiatrist who got him set up with a wonderful PT program . It has been a

looooong haul..many

years now of dilligent exercises and listening to his body for the first signs

of pain etc. He is

relatively pain free, has his moments but as he is still in the same line of

work that is to be

expected. The one thing that I cannot stress enough and I hope I am not being

out of line here but

it is his absolute consistancy with staying with his PT routine and following

the exercises from

the YMCA back back etc...that has worked for him. He hates meds of any type so

that was a big

incentive for him, tha and the idea of the surgery they wanted to do!

Best to all, Jessie

January 28, 2003

Hi Debi,

I had my second shot last night. Like you, I find that my belly is a better

place to inject. Doesn't hurt. Yep, I've got water bottles in every room

of the house. I fill so many, 100 oz worth, and make sure they're all

empty by the end of the day. I also drink Gatoraide, so I don't lose too

many electrolites. Take care,

Marie

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February 7, 2003

I had a special injectable and preservative-free compound of

Glutathione/ATP/Taurine made up and take that along with Kutapressin,

Magnesium, Calcium, custom B-complex, Folic Acid, Biotin, Paba,

Methylcobalamin, Liver Extract, Arabinogalactan, Sodium Ascorbate,

and to lessen any pain, I add 1/2 cc of Procaine to each 3 cc injection. It

takes at least 4 syringes to get all that fluid in. Talk about being a human

pin cushion! Believe it or not, I'm used to it now.

I also take 0.2mg Genotropin (HGH)separately. I just started doing 10ml

BayGam once a week to see if I can eliminate these quarterly upper

respiratory infections, my main complaint lately. The rest of my

supplementation is oral. With all of that, how could any of us still be

sick?

>From: " marypmichel <marypmichel@...> " <marypmichel@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Injections

>Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 03:03:07 -0000

>

>I don't take mag/taurine injections but do inject B12, Folic acid,

>Kutapressin, among other things. Poor backside! I have found two

>things which helped a great deal: a nurse told me to inject very

>slowly to give the tissues time to absorb the substance (this did

>stop the bumps I was getting) and since I can only buy my syringes

>with a 25 guage needle, I begged the nurse in the lab at the

>doctor's office to trade needles. So I now use a 30 guage and that

>made a big difference also. I get less bruising and a lot less

>pain. These needles are very thin and some substances may have a

>hard time going through the needle but the biggest problem I had was

>that I just had to push harder on the syringe.

>I hope this helps someone - we're all in this together.

>

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February 7, 2003

x x

>these quarterly upper

> respiratory infections, my main complaint lately.

What symptoms did you have previously, that you feel you have managed to

eliminate?

Nelly

April 2, 2003

Not I, too risky. I take mine in the arse. I have corresponded with others who were given steroid injections into nasal tissue.

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has anyone ever had steroid injections in their sinuses to reduce the growth of polyps?

April 3, 2003

I had surgery in 1997 for polyps including an ethnoidectomy. In one of the

follow up exams my surgeon noticed a polyp growing back and he whipped out a

hypo with about a foot long needle attached, stuck it up my nose and injected

steroids directly into the polyp. Very unpleasant experience.

Ciao,

Chas.

September 7, 2005

Helen, this nursing pdf has an excellent diagram of areas for IM

injections on page 4. Check out the Ventrogluteal area as an option

to rotate with the areas you have been using.

http://www.breastcancerprofessional.com/contents/public/onc/nursing.pdf

> I have been trying to do my magnesium/taurine shots every night,

> following Cheney's instructions, top of butt alternating sides. By now

> both sides have large bruises and I'm wondering how big of an area is

> that where you can inject without hitting the sciatic nerve, and if

> there is anything I can do to avoid bruising. He told me to use ice and

> inject very slowly, keep stopping, and I'm trying. It's hard to reach

> around and see, and I must have hit some blood vessels to get those

> bruises.

>

> Also I called to see if there was any word on the porcine cells being

> available and not yet. Waiting on the FDA. I just feel so secure being

> reliant on the govt. Not.

>

> Helen

September 7, 2005

Dear Helen,

I really sympathize with you in the problems involved with taking injections

every day. I am no longer taking injections daily, but I did so for years,

in the same area you are. I tried twisting my neck around, using a mirror

so I could see where I was injecting, and when I could find someone, having

another person give me the injection.

I am surprised that Dr. Cheney told you to use ice. I was told to massage

the area so as to increase the spread of the medication into my body. Ice

would, of course, help the inflammation, but wouldn't it delay the spread of

the medication?

Also, I was told to make the injection as quickly as I reasonably could and

get the needle out and that this would help to have less bruising.

One thing that does help to prevent bruising in general, which really did

help me was to take extra vitamin C. Of course, you would have to evaluate

whether or not taking extra Vitamin C would be appropriate for your health

situation.

I also found it helpful to prevent and/or heal bruises more quickly to use

Vit E on the bruises. I bought the gelcaps and then made a hole in them and

squeezed the juice over the barn area and lightly smoothed it over the

bruised area. You don't want to rub hard because it will make the bruising

worse and could break capillaries.

If you find that you are just very bruised and cannot take more shots in the

safe area that Dr. Cheney has advised, it might be a good idea to call Dr.

Cheney's office and ask them if another area might be acceptable (thighs,

upper arms, stomach area). I had to do this several times during the period

of years I was taking frequent injections, and my doctor okayed other areas

until the bruising subsided.

I think Dr. Cheney is onto something with asking you to take these

magnesium/taurine shots, and it could really be helpful for you if there is

any way you can continue. I respect Dr. Cheney immensely. He helped me

tremendously when he was treating me, and I think he is caring for his

patients and will do all he can to help you.

Sincerely,

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>I have been trying to do my magnesium/taurine shots every night,

> following Cheney's instructions, top of butt alternating sides. By now

> both sides have large bruises and I'm wondering how big of an area is

> that where you can inject without hitting the sciatic nerve, and if

> there is anything I can do to avoid bruising. He told me to use ice and

> inject very slowly, keep stopping, and I'm trying. It's hard to reach

> around and see, and I must have hit some blood vessels to get those

> bruises.

>

> Also I called to see if there was any word on the porcine cells being

> available and not yet. Waiting on the FDA. I just feel so secure being

> reliant on the govt. Not.

>

> Helen

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

September 7, 2005

Sometimes the errors I make when I try sending messages late at night when I

a very tired are just plain funny. Please laugh with me when I told Helen

to spread the 'juice' from Vit E gelcaps over the 'barn' area. Exactly what

did I mean, I wonder? Well, anyway, it gave me a good laugh. I hope I

meant 'bruised' area. And I hope anyone reading it got a good laugh out of

it as I did.

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>

>>I have been trying to do my magnesium/taurine shots every night,

>> following Cheney's instructions, top of butt alternating sides. By now

>> both sides have large bruises and I'm wondering how big of an area is

>> that where you can inject without hitting the sciatic nerve, and if

>> there is anything I can do to avoid bruising. He told me to use ice and

>> inject very slowly, keep stopping, and I'm trying. It's hard to reach

>> around and see, and I must have hit some blood vessels to get those

>> bruises.

>>

>> Also I called to see if there was any word on the porcine cells being

>> available and not yet. Waiting on the FDA. I just feel so secure being

>> reliant on the govt. Not.

>>

>> Helen

>>

>> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

>> each

>> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

>> treatment

>> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>>

September 8, 2005

Thanks to both of you, I will check into this. And yes, my butt is

starting to look like a barn.

Cheney did tell me to rub ice and to inject very slowly and keep

stopping, he did this whole little demonstration, without a needle

for me.

I am just starting to wish I had an extra butt for injections.

Helen

> Sometimes the errors I make when I try sending messages late at

night when I

> a very tired are just plain funny. Please laugh with me when I

told Helen

> to spread the 'juice' from Vit E gelcaps over the 'barn' area.

Exactly what

> did I mean, I wonder? Well, anyway, it gave me a good laugh. I

hope I

> meant 'bruised' area. And I hope anyone reading it got a good

laugh out of

> it as I did.

>

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> >

> >>I have been trying to do my magnesium/taurine shots every night,

> >> following Cheney's instructions, top of butt alternating sides.

By now

> >> both sides have large bruises and I'm wondering how big of an

area is

> >> that where you can inject without hitting the sciatic nerve, and

if

> >> there is anything I can do to avoid bruising. He told me to use

ice and

> >> inject very slowly, keep stopping, and I'm trying. It's hard to

reach

> >> around and see, and I must have hit some blood vessels to get

those

> >> bruises.

> >>

> >> Also I called to see if there was any word on the porcine cells

being

> >> available and not yet. Waiting on the FDA. I just feel so secure

being

> >> reliant on the govt. Not.

> >>

> >> Helen

> >>

> >> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with

> >> each

> >> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> >> treatment

> >> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >>

September 8, 2005

Helen, my butt is starting to look like a barn too. In more ways than

one (blue, red, and wide).

Vickie

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:09:07 -0000 " helen9jora " <helenjora@...>

writes:

yes, my butt is starting to look like a barn.

September 8, 2005

I am kind of stumped. When I started heparin shots people were talking about

them being painful, they were icing before and after, etc. I didn't get it,

because I barely felt mine. Same thing with subq B12 shots, barely feel it.

For IM I did gamma globulin shots in the butt twice a week for a couple years,

then later I did magnesium/taurine for a while. (My husband gave me the IM butt

shots) Other than the occassional time when he would hit a nerve, it was no

problem. Barely felt anything during or after.

So why would some people have so much trouble with shots, while other people

don't?

Doris

September 8, 2005

Hi Doris,

I think it's the same answer as to why each of us has our own unique

reaction to any medication or treatment. Some of us are not as lucky as you

are.

I have sensitive skin that sunburns easily and is also sensitive to any

chemicals such as are found in most soaps or lotions--can't handle the

perfumes and other additives. Also, my skin bruises very easily. I cannot

get a massage without suffering bruises. And believe me, when I took shots

daily, the areas where I took them became very bruised. They didn't get

over one yellow and purple and black bruise before it was time for another

shot. I couldn't even use estrogen patches because it caused a rash on my

skin. Of course I can't wear makeup either. So I got stuck with sensitive

skin (although when I was younger and before I got sick, it was often

complimented for its clarity and beauty--and lack of lines and

wrinkles--still have a lack of lines and wrinkles).

On the other hand, for most of my life, even since I have gotten sick, my

digestive system has seemed to be superstrong. I was raised by a mother who

believed (in the 1950's) that white flour and sugar were poison and we had

(organic--but we didn't call it that, we just called it our garden)

vegetables and our own orange grove with grapefruit, tangerines, tangelos,

limes, lemons, figs, mangoes, avocadoes and guavas as well. We even grew

our own pineapples. So my mother got me started off well. Until I got

CFIDS, I was the person who could eat huevos rancheros for breakfast with no

problems at all. I have suffered two periods of time during my 15-year

struggle with CFIDS when I've had some digestive problems, but most of the

time, my digestive system seems super.

So it may be that you got the great skin and I got the great digestive

system in the great lottery of the genetic pool. Whatever it is, I know

that none of us react to drugs or treatments in the exact same way as

another person does. What works great for one of us can be terrible for

another.

Just be thankful that you don't have problems when you take shots. You won

the lottery in that area.

Wishing you the best with everything, Doris,

Re: Re: injections

>I am kind of stumped. When I started heparin shots people were talking

>about them being painful, they were icing before and after, etc. I didn't

>get it, because I barely felt mine. Same thing with subq B12 shots, barely

>feel it. For IM I did gamma globulin shots in the butt twice a week for a

>couple years, then later I did magnesium/taurine for a while. (My husband

>gave me the IM butt shots) Other than the occassional time when he would

>hit a nerve, it was no problem. Barely felt anything during or after.

>

> So why would some people have so much trouble with shots, while other

> people don't?

>

> Doris

>

September 9, 2005

Different pain thresholds, I bet, Doris. I have experience with IM b12. Very

interesting; as my levels were coming up over time, the degree of pain I

felt from the shots decreased. Even after several years now, if I skip a few

days, it hurts more when I go back. It makes sense to me that the

neuroprotective function of b12 would make me less sensitive. If I am less

neurotoxic I am less reactive.

Adrienne

Re: Re: injections

I am kind of stumped. When I started heparin shots people were talking

about them being painful, they were icing before and after, etc. I didn't

get it, because I barely felt mine. Same thing with subq B12 shots, barely

feel it. For IM I did gamma globulin shots in the butt twice a week for a

couple years, then later I did magnesium/taurine for a while. (My husband

gave me the IM butt shots) Other than the occassional time when he would

hit a nerve, it was no problem. Barely felt anything during or after.

So why would some people have so much trouble with shots, while other people

don't?

Doris

September 9, 2005

: Just a thought. I have heard and experimented with Vitamin C for

bruising~I used to bruise easily and have sensitive skin, and the bruises lasted

forever until I added more Vit C. It really helps me. I like the one from

Twinlab as it is in gelatin capsules rather than tablets.

I am able to wear makeup by NuSkin as it doesn't use petroleum products (yes, I

am a distributor at http://clearly.mynuskinusa.com) but you seem much more

sensitive. I get compliments on my youthful look all the time with their stuff

(I am 52 years young now). Can you use olive oil as a moisturizer for your

body? You are so blessed to have a mother who fed you well.

Funny thing, I am the one in my family who has always eaten well and carefully

for most of my life, yet I am the one who is so sick. I have heard this from

others, too. 's Law at work again in the world.

Best wishes for greater health.

in La Selva Beach CA

sick since a child so 40+ years

on Recup since Jan 13, 2005