Bedwetting

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HI!

You know me, gotta write my say so. Well, no pro in this night-

training area as I'm still dealing with the toilet-training and of

course the never-ending laundry and steam cleaning the carpet, when

he moves off his plastic padding area. I'm still concentrating on the

regular day training, no pull-ups. Just regular boxer briefs. Even if

he allows me to have him wear a pull-up at night, he will still soil

through. Now he sleeps with just his Pj pants only with no underwear

or pull-up, I do not know if this is one of hte reasons why he is

sleeping through the night this past week as its just a trial. He

does wonderful at school, at home its different. But for one week he

has not had any accidents or has wet his bed but sometimes he will

withold his urine until he gets to school. This for sure I hate as it

may cause some time of infection. I guess he perfers the schools

toilet than at home. He will do the schedule routine once at home but

will not urinate in the toilet. I'll even give him a drink while he

is sitting on the toilet, run some water, crack the door and give him

some privacy. Let him stim his favorite dangling toy, timer on but no

luck. I told him " I know you go the toilet at school, you need to do

it at home, too. " So this is how I ended up getting him to cooperate

with the routine. I've also started on weekends if he wets his bed he

has to change it, maybe this has cut down on the wetting the bed but

it can change. Every week is always something different at home with

the toilet-training issue. I know its hard to control the bladder.

There are also some absorbent disposable sheets, about 2x3 feet, with

waterproof backing, used alot in hospitals, probably found at drug

store. I have not had a chance to look yet. Zeb, is a pretty smart

boy to change and cover the wet area. What I've read- Having a small

bladder may make too much urine and sleeping too deeply to wake up

when the bladder is full. It could also be inherited, which is true

what Donna has mentioned. Sometimes we have to find out what has

changed in the child's life, which will cause a urinary tract

infection. Also if intestine is full of poop, its taking up space

from the bladder that may cause to leak out at night. Some

treatments :Diet changes(reducing caffeine and allergy-causing

foods).You've already done the night-lifting making sure Zeb use the

bathroom during the night, the last resort, medication. If you pass

the bed-wetting alarms. But hopefully you'll find some answers to

this issue. Its a never-ending parent struggle when our kids regress

in certain areas. Many hugs your way as I too can relate. Take care.

Irma, 13,DS/ASD

> In a message dated 1/30/2002 11:39:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> dben937342@a... writes:

>

>

> > thinking about this issue. Charlyne maybe you could invent some

kind of

> > bedding that absorbs like those depends we put the kids in. Then

you can

> > just

> > throw them away. The bedding. lolol Of course they would be very

cheap to

> > buy.

>

> Hi Diane,

> Now that's an idea and with all the money I make after I patent

this I will

> be able to afford the maid to worry about it all, LOL.

> Charlyne

> Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

>

>

>

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In a message dated 1/30/02 5:49:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,

charlyne1121@... writes:

> Is the alarm loud? I am afraid he will get scared to ever sleep. He

> is a weird kid as we all have one

Hey Charlyne,

If I recall, it was a vibrating/sound type thing. We would hear and

wake up, and Bren slept right through it...LOL The key they say, is to have

your child right next to you so you can wake them immediately and get them to

the toilet. Even if they've gone already; it's brain training. We had

made a bed of blankets on the floor next to our bed for Bren when we did it.

DOnna

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In a message dated 1/31/02 2:33:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ICANFIELD@... writes:

> , I do not know if this is one of hte reasons why he is

> sleeping through the night this past week as its just a trial.

Irma, wow you got some sleep this week. Doesn't it feel great! Sounds like

is having a good week. He must just know you want him to go so bad at

home. Sounds like he wants to be in control. Reminds me of my son. I try to

act like I don't care but it really bugs me. Especially if Rochelle wets

right after she was on the potty.

Interesting about the disposable sheets. If anyone knew about it, I'm not

surprised it was you. Here I thought we were thinking up something new.

Diane

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In a message dated 1/31/2002 1:51:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

duffey48@... writes:

> If I recall, it was a vibrating/sound type thing. We would hear

> and

> wake up, and Bren slept right through it...LOL The key they say, is to

> have

> your child right next to you so you can wake them immediately and get them

> to

> the toilet. Even if they've gone already; it's brain training. We had

> made a bed of blankets on the floor next to our bed for Bren when we did it.

> DOnna

Hi Donna,

I guess I can forgo the alarms. I sleep through thunderstorms, etc. but my

husband can hear a whisper. If he had to get up all night or try to wake me,

life would not be good. If I put Zeb next to me in my room I would never get

him back in his room. When my husband is out of town Zeb tries to sleep with

me. I made that mistake once a few years ago and it took forever to get him

to stay in his room and dad was not pleased with me.Thanks for the info it

saved me from an expensive useless purchase.

charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

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In a message dated 7/7/2005 3:30:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, josgood@... writes:

Hi folks,

I have another question, if I may...Do we have success with bed-wetting?I have a 12 yo boy who in fact is the brother of aclient so I have no info on him except he has Aspergers.The situation is pretty desperate, and the mum asked if I could help. Thanks in advance,Jan Osgood(Naturally I'd like to work on his brain for other reasons as well, but he had a batch of NF sessions somewhere else a few years ago, and I may have a little trouble there).Jan Osgood

Jan, I am new to the group and have not gone through training yet., but am enrolled in Milwaukee this month. I plan to do training a home. My 7 (age 6 when she started) year old daughter has been seeing a clinician and receiving NF using DVDs. One of the 1st things we noticed was that she stopped wetting her bed and also was able to keep dry in between trips to the bathroom. Prior to treatment, she would have leakage on her way to the bathroom. This stopped after only a few sessions (less than 10). She started sessions about 9 months ago and since then has only had a few nighttime accidents (5 total at the most). Prior to NF she would have 2-3/week.

I know her therapist likes to use C3 and C4.

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Hi Jan,

In my humble experience (I've worked with more than

100 different kids in the past 3 years related to this

" sympton " ), I can tell that if you focus your training

in C4 rewarding LoBeta or SMR you will get the results

you expect, because this issue is related to the right

hemisphere and underarousal, so you can " fix " it

uptraining this site.

But you need to consider to do an assessment to

establish which activation patterns are present on

your client's brain first, to be able to set a whole

plan to stabilize all the functions, remember that one

issue,regularly, is not alone by itself, could and

will be there as a consecuence of other issue(s).

And please don't forget & /or discard the

psychological+emotional part of the client.

OK, Jan, I hope this can help your case and wish you

good luck.

R. , C.H.

BrainTrainer @ Training For Life

Miami, Fl

--- Dlove895@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 7/7/2005 3:30:34 P.M. Central

> Standard Time,

> josgood@... writes:

>

> Hi folks,

>

> I have another question, if I may...

>

> Do we have success with bed-wetting?

>

> I have a 12 yo boy who in fact is the brother of a

> client so I have no info on him except he has

> Aspergers.

>

> The situation is pretty desperate, and the mum

> asked

> if I could help.

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Jan Osgood

>

> (Naturally I'd like to work on his brain for other

> reasons

> as well, but he had a batch of NF sessions

> somewhere

> else a few years ago, and I may have a little

> trouble there).

>

> Jan Osgood

>

>

>

>

> Jan, I am new to the group and have not gone through

> training yet., but am

> enrolled in Milwaukee this month. I plan to do

> training a home. My 7 (age 6

> when she started) year old daughter has been seeing

> a clinician and receiving

> NF using DVDs. One of the 1st things we noticed was

> that she stopped

> wetting her bed and also was able to keep dry in

> between trips to the bathroom.

> Prior to treatment, she would have leakage on her

> way to the bathroom. This

> stopped after only a few sessions (less than 10).

> She started sessions about 9

> months ago and since then has only had a few

> nighttime accidents (5 total at

> the most). Prior to NF she would have 2-3/week.

> I know her therapist likes to use C3 and C4.

>

>

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In a message dated 29/09/2005 15:09:15 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

We have been in touch with an incontinence nurse regarding bedwetting. is fine during the day - but seems to go into such a deepsleep at night, and wets the bed. The Nurse has now contacted the Consultant who has suggested urineand blood tests to rule out infection. (I am slightly perplexed - ashe has known about this problem for such a long time and neversuggested anything). apparently they may suggest a spray called 'demospray' which stimulates the anti diuretic hormone. I am very dubiousabout this - has anyone any knowledge of what is in it and how it works?

>>>>jane has this been wrose since he has been on the meds for gut bugs? Sam always wets at night only during die off or flare. Joe (NT) had this problem which resopved 3 days after giving him one Bioklut per day. Just in case

Mandi x

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Could this be related to increased urination due to de-tox that several of us are being told of.

C

x

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desmopressin hormone - A natural hormone that the body uses to depress the production of urine at night when we sleep.

Anyone tried it on their kids ?

Bedwetting

Hi all,We have been in touch with an incontinence nurse regarding bedwetting. is fine during the day - but seems to go into such a deepsleep at night, and wets the bed. The Nurse has now contacted the Consultant who has suggested urineand blood tests to rule out infection. (I am slightly perplexed - ashe has known about this problem for such a long time and neversuggested anything). apparently they may suggest a spray called 'demospray' which stimulates the anti diuretic hormone. I am very dubiousabout this - has anyone any knowledge of what is in it and how it works?Thanks,Jane

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For us this is yeast.

Joy

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Hi to All

This is really interesting because a few people recently have posted about increased urination and all its manifestations eg bedwetting, testing for UTIs etc. I feel a bit concerned (as a microbiologist in my past life....) about so much talk of yeast overgowth and so much controversy about its testing, treatment etc.

When I worked at the University of Aberdeen, there was a really big mycology group there (in the lab next door to mine) working on Candida, Phytophyra etc. I have thought about contacting the head of this group and just seeing what he makes of all this yeast chatter on our groups, feasible or not??I am intersted as to whether he would reckon that Arabinose would be indicative of yeast infection, nystatin for treatment etc.

Could be an interesting conversation...

Keep ya posted

Luv Caroline

xxx

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We have had some recent bedwetting despite controlling fluids in the run up to bedtime. Jack seems to partially wet his pjs in the evening time whilst watching videos having had no problems with accidents during the day. Also, last night he wet the bed fully despite having had limited fluids in the evening and having done a huuuuge wee before going to bed!!! Anyone any ideas about why this might be???

With best wishes

Re: Bedwetting

In a message dated 29/09/2005 15:09:15 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

We have been in touch with an incontinence nurse regarding bedwetting. is fine during the day - but seems to go into such a deepsleep at night, and wets the bed. The Nurse has now contacted the Consultant who has suggested urineand blood tests to rule out infection. (I am slightly perplexed - ashe has known about this problem for such a long time and neversuggested anything). apparently they may suggest a spray called 'demospray' which stimulates the anti diuretic hormone. I am very dubiousabout this - has anyone any knowledge of what is in it and how it works?

>>>>jane has this been wrose since he has been on the meds for gut bugs? Sam always wets at night only during die off or flare. Joe (NT) had this problem which resopved 3 days after giving him one Bioklut per day. Just in case

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Sounds very feasible to me Caroline as the problem went away when we stopped TD DMPS and is now back having started the TD DMSA!!!

Re: Bedwetting

Could this be related to increased urination due to de-tox that several of us are being told of.

C

x

[Guest guest]

Joy,

It could also be this for us as we think we've got yeast/bacterial probs as well as detox - in for a penny in for a pound!!

Re: Bedwetting

For us this is yeast.

Joy

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No.

When we first went gfcf he quickly became dry during the day and probably 4 out of 7 nights a week. We took him out of nappies as we were so positive he was getting the idea.

I just cannot remember where it all went wrong. When we started supplementing started with dry nights again and we thought bingo !! Then we had to stop for blood tests and he lost the plot again. did warn us that the detox might cause him to wet the bed more. He is on nystatin and biokult at the moment. He does not have drinks after 7pm. Only drinks water. We lift him before we go to bed. He still does a huge wee during the night/ early hours.

The nurse has told us to get rid of the pull ups. She said they are not helping at all. She is going to get the special needs team involved from the hospital. The consultant is going to look into a urine infection (I don't think that has anything to do with the problem). Also they are going to ask for urine and blood tests and may suggest this hormone spray - if only short term (to get him out of the habit).

I am going to present the consultant with all our tests to date!! Lets see what he makes of them.

Jane

Re: Bedwetting

In a message dated 29/09/2005 15:09:15 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

We have been in touch with an incontinence nurse regarding bedwetting. is fine during the day - but seems to go into such a deepsleep at night, and wets the bed. The Nurse has now contacted the Consultant who has suggested urineand blood tests to rule out infection. (I am slightly perplexed - ashe has known about this problem for such a long time and neversuggested anything). apparently they may suggest a spray called 'demospray' which stimulates the anti diuretic hormone. I am very dubiousabout this - has anyone any knowledge of what is in it and how it works?

>>>>jane has this been wrose since he has been on the meds for gut bugs? Sam always wets at night only during die off or flare. Joe (NT) had this problem which resopved 3 days after giving him one Bioklut per day. Just in case

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline,

I have read that some of the children who do not test positive for yeast , respond well to treatment. We saw Dr T in Surrey who prescribed nystatin for my son. He seemed to focus more on the child's medical history than any lab tests.

I'd be really interested in any further info on this subject. We are treating with nystatin but still seem to be getting the giggly/ drunken behaviours. We did see some really positive improvements when we started him on it about two to three months ago.

Jane

Re: Bedwetting

Hi to All

This is really interesting because a few people recently have posted about increased urination and all its manifestations eg bedwetting, testing for UTIs etc. I feel a bit concerned (as a microbiologist in my past life....) about so much talk of yeast overgowth and so much controversy about its testing, treatment etc.

When I worked at the University of Aberdeen, there was a really big mycology group there (in the lab next door to mine) working on Candida, Phytophyra etc. I have thought about contacting the head of this group and just seeing what he makes of all this yeast chatter on our groups, feasible or not??I am intersted as to whether he would reckon that Arabinose would be indicative of yeast infection, nystatin for treatment etc.

Could be an interesting conversation...

Keep ya posted

Luv Caroline

xxx

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I am working with a 7 yr. old boy. He has completed approx.10 training sessions. He used to wet the bed at night until about 1 yr. ago and he hasn't had any reoccurrence of incidence until...he started brain training! He has responded most favorably to a 2 channel squash(15-38 hz.) @ OZA1gA2T4. He presents with anxiety, difficulty falling to sleep (does summersaults in bed, takes between 1 and 1 1/2 hours to fall asleep), needing to improve independence from mom, shyness, oppositional attitude, inflexibility as his priority behaviors to work on. I do not have his chart in front of me - if I recall correctly, the following were the first 5 choice protocols:

C4A2A1 (found 10-13hz to be rewarding) - favorable response, more flexible, more independent, went to sleep with ease... and he wet the bed

C4A2gA2P4 2 C 15-38 squash (no change noted)

C3A1gA1F3 2 C windowed squash- he wet the bed and was very whiny

FZA1gA2C4 2 C 2-6 squash - he was calm and cheerful and...wet the bed

OZA1gA2T4 (as mentioned above) very favorable and did not wet the bed the first 3 trials - he wet the bed on trial 4 with this protocol

All protocols were picked based on the TLC assessment in addition to subjective info.

I would greatly appreciate any help and or feedback regarding the bedwetting. After his most recent session,the little boy woke up the day after brain training with a wet bed and he asked his mom, "why do I always wet the bed after brain training?". Help please!!!

Thanks in advance.

White

BrainTraining Solutions

Charlottesville, VA

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Hi ,

If you do a search on old posts on this site, you'll find a lot of

info about this issue.

In general, though, I think that bedwetting often falls under

" processing " issues, meaning that the ratio of slow to fast waves is

too high. if you train down slow waves in the front or central sites

and increase fast waves, you might get good results for bedwetting.

You might have to experiment with bandwidths for such a young child.

Inhibit whatever theta is and reward whatever smr & beta are, or just

beta. You might have to experiment

This is a case, where even though the assessment shows that you should

inhibit 16-38 at certain sites, you might want to delay these

protocols till you get the bedwetting under control.

Good luck and please post again to tell us how this is resolved.

jane

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I just wanted to mention that one of my kids was a bedwetter for a LOOOONG

time. I double made his bed with a plastic shower curtain in between so I

didn't have to make a bed at 3am. He too, wasn't able to wake up in time. I

wanted to share my bed making idea with you all.

Pam

Tim - CVID age 16

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Wow! That is a brilliant idea! And I might add, much cheaper than

buying multiple waterproof matress covers. Thanks for the

suggestion. All three of my youngest kids seem to wet through every

night. Argh---LAUNDRY!!! I just might be heading out to the dollar

store for some shower curtains today.

-Rogena (Mom to 4 boys, including Cole -Partial IgA Def, GERD,

possible Celiac)

>

> I just wanted to mention that one of my kids was a bedwetter for a

LOOOONG

> time. I double made his bed with a plastic shower curtain in

between so I

> didn't have to make a bed at 3am. He too, wasn't able to wake up

in time. I

> wanted to share my bed making idea with you all.

>

> Pam

> Tim - CVID age 16

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We ordered special pads that we place between the mattress pad and the

sheet-- if he wets, we can just remove those and put a new bottom sheet

on..they stay in place better for him if they are below the sheet and not on

top-he wiggles. :-)

~Pattie~

" What matters is not great deeds, but great love. " ~ St. Therese of Lisieux

Family website: www.shwachman.50megs.com

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

mole1440@...

Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:46 AM

Subject: Re: Bedwetting

I just wanted to mention that one of my kids was a bedwetter for a LOOOONG

time. I double made his bed with a plastic shower curtain in between so I

didn't have to make a bed at 3am. He too, wasn't able to wake up in time.

I

wanted to share my bed making idea with you all.

Pam

Tim - CVID age 16

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In a message dated 5/2/2006 12:46:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

I double made his bed with a plastic shower curtain in between so I

didn't have to make a bed at 3am.

What a GREAT IDEA!!! I'll be going to the store tonight!

Mommy to:

Annette 16yo, selective antibody deficiency, cp, devlopmental delays, g-tube,

IVIG x 5 years, Sub Q IG x 1 yr now and LOVING it. Every bit a teenager (both

for the good and the bad ) LOL.

10yo, previous B and T cell deficiencies, IVIG x 1 year (off now over

2 years), daily prophylaxis, brain tumor survivor, hearing impaired, seizure

disorder, learning disabled, and one heck of a " WWE wrestler " !

Trayvon 7yo, Ivemark Syndrome, severe congenital heart defects, asplenia,

malrotated intestines, microcephalic, migraines, severe reflux and an

imagination

I can't keep up with for one minute!

Marriela 3yo, Micro premie (26 weeker, 1 lb, 12oz), NICU x 4 months, severe

asthma, devlopmental delays, mild cp, reflux, and gives us a serious run for

our money every single day!

and last but not least,

Cody 6mo, other than some reflux, a wonderfully happy and healthy baby.

God has a serious sense of humor now doesn't he! LOLOLOLOL

www.caringbridge.com/ny/my2angels

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don't know if hereditary issues will work but a friend once told me 1

heaping tsp of honey at bed for anywhere from 3 nights to 2 weeks will

stop bedwetting - and I've done it with 2 of mine and it worked - just

a thought????????

eileen

Quoting ocdhelp4kids <ocdhelp4kids@...>:

> Yes my son is a bedwetter too. He's now 12 and still wets about

> once (sometimes twice) a month, usually when he drank too much close

> to bedtime. He did not wake up dry a single night until he was

> seven. And then it was only because we used the nighttime alarm

> which finally got him out of pullups. He stopped wetting completely

> for a few weeks, but then he recessed several times. Finally as he

> aged it got less and less frequent. But still once a month is a lot

> I think. I will never remove the waterproof mattress pad from his

> bed. My brother wet the bed also, and I know it's heredity. There

> is bedwetting on my husband's side as well. My son is an extremely

> deep sleeper so I'm sure that contributes to him not getting the

> signal from his brain.

>

>

>> my hubby and ds sleep with the fan blowing on them at night, too.

> i HATE it. my girls sleep with the fan on for white noise, but dont

> have it blowing on them.

>>

>> Re: stripping when going to the

> bathroom / body temp

>>

>> In a message dated 1/18/2007 10:31:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>> ocdhelp4kids@... writes:

>>

>> >Sometimes during winter months he would strip

>> >off his shirt or wear only a T-shirt in the house because he was

>> >hot. Meanwhile I have on 3

>> layers!............................................. Does anyone

> else's child have >these stripping and/or body temp issues?

>>

>> That's kind of funny because my son (17yrs... but non-OCD) is

> always

>> claiming to be too warm/hot. It can be 40 degrees outside in the

> morning & I swear

>> the boy would go to school in shorts & t-shirt with no jacket if

> we let him!

>> We lived in Brunswick Maine for a few years (military) and he

> absolutely

>> LOVED the weather up there! We still call him our little Mainerd

> Boy. He

>> sleeps with a fan blowing directly on his bed every night - no

> matter what the

>> temperature is.

>>

>> I think some people just prefer to feel cooler than others. Go

> figure.

>> LT

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

That is interesting. Can you elaborate a little more about the

honey? What do you mean by " anywhere from 3 nights to 2 weeks " ?

Are you suggesting that 1 tsp of honey each night before bed for 3

weeks will eliminate bedwetting for good? Seems a little too good

to be true, but it's worth a try. Also how do you make a heaping

tsp of honey? Does he take it straight or is mixing ok?

> >>

> >> And, both my son and daughter wet the bed (though my son is

> > finally stopping at age 11). My other children are not

bedwetters.

> > Do any of you have bedwetters also? That is supposed to be a

sign

> > of anxiety as well.

> >>

> >> in TN

> >>

[Guest guest]

That is interesting. Can you elaborate a little more about the

honey? What do you mean by " anywhere from 3 nights to 2 weeks " ?

Are you suggesting that 1 tsp of honey each night before bed for 3

weeks will eliminate bedwetting for good? Seems a little too good

to be true, but it's worth a try. Also how do you make a heaping

tsp of honey? Does he take it straight or is mixing ok?

> >>

> >> And, both my son and daughter wet the bed (though my son is

> > finally stopping at age 11). My other children are not

bedwetters.

> > Do any of you have bedwetters also? That is supposed to be a

sign

> > of anxiety as well.

> >>

> >> in TN

> >>