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-- D-Mannose, which I just posted on, is a concentrated form of the

factor that works in cranberry juice, minus the calories, sugar, and any

factors that may cause problems in the long run. D-Mannose is safe to use

for long-term use, safe for pregnant women, used by women who have chronic

issues related to sexual activities, safe for children.

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At 01:55 AM 6/1/2010, you wrote:

>To help the UTIs, while you work out why they are occuring, cranberry

>juice works really well for quickly getting rid of UTIs. You can get

>unsweetened organic cranberry juice. (The supermarket stuff is often

>sickly sweet with heaps of sugar). You can also get cranberries in

>tablet form. However, you're not meant to take it long-term - I think it

>was because taken long-term it can inhibit calcium absorption, or

>something like that.

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>Is there a connection between thyroid and bedwetting? This I did not

>know. I have an 8 year old who is bedwetting every night. Out of 5 kids,

>this is the only one I've experienced this with. Also, many UTI's if she

>goes even one day without drinking enough water...and she does not like

>to drink. Probiotics seem helpful to suppress infection symptoms if I am

>consistent in giving them to her daily. She is very sluggish in the

>morning and could sleep until noon if I did not wake her. But, like me,

>she is wide awake and night and not the least bit ready for bed...maybe

>adrenal issues, too.

>

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We found hypothyroidism to be one of the pieces to the puzzle for my son. He as 7 years old when we had him dx'd as hypothyroid. His basal body temps were 95.7 degrees. He is now 10 1/2 years old and is on 2 grains of Nature-throid. When we started him on / and got him to the right dose to eliminate his symptoms (constipation, low energy, cold temps, fatigue, wouldn't eat) then the incidents of nocturnal enuresis were very limited. They finally quit totally when we took him off gluten. We later found out that he also has allergies to milk and eggs. Food allergies can contribute to it as well. I think it was a combo for him. Dr. Mark Starr talks about traditional doctors like Hertoge that stated nocturnal enuresis is a sign of hypoT issues.

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Is there a connection between thyroid and bedwetting? This I did not know. I have an 8 year old who is bedwetting every night. Out of 5 kids, this is the only one I've experienced this with. Also, many UTI's if she goes even one day without drinking enough water...and she does not like to drink. Probiotics seem helpful to suppress infection symptoms if I am consistent in giving them to her daily. She is very sluggish in the morning and could sleep until noon if I did not wake her. But, like me, she is wide awake and night and not the least bit ready for bed...maybe adrenal issues, too.I have not given her iodine, but I could do the patch test to see how she does. Also, because of her age, I have not had any blood tests done on her yet, but maybe I should get her thyroid tested.Anyone, please tell me about the bedwetting conneciton. I want to learn more about that. I have been praying for an answer to that for her for so long.Thanks!Donna Iler wrote:

Hi Steph!

.... After almost 21 years of bedwetting among 4 children, and this preventing my very active 16 year old from doing many things, I would really like to see an end to this!

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Hi, sorry I have only just seen this message.

There is most definitely a connection with bedwetting and thyroid/adrenal issues

for some children.

My daughter wet the bed (well SOAKED the bed actually) every night. She went

through training with and alarm, urodynamic testing and even the sesmopressin

spray which although supposed to stop urination at night was totally ineffectual

for her.

At the age of twelve she began Armour thyroid and hydrocortisone. despite

previously seeing several Doctors who all refused to believe that she could

possibly have any hormonal deficiencies as her blood tests were " perfectly

normal " . Upon seeing an " alternative " Doctor it was clear that she was both

hypothyroid and hypoadrenal. The bedwetting stopped practically overnight. I

should also mention she finally started putting on weight, looking healthier,

feeling normal mentally, growing and developing properly etc etc. Her veruccas

cleared up (after several years of plaguing her) and her constant illnesses also

stopped.

Of course I know this isn't the answer to all bedwetting problems but if

everything else has been ruled out or you think there are clear clinical signs

of thyroid or adrenal disease (and they often go together of course) it is

something worth persuing.

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> >Is there a connection between thyroid and bedwetting? This I did not

> >know. I have an 8 year old who is bedwetting every night. Out of 5 kids,

> >this is the only one I've experienced this with. Also, many UTI's if she

> >goes even one day without drinking enough water...and she does not like

> >to drink. Probiotics seem helpful to suppress infection symptoms if I am

> >consistent in giving them to her daily. She is very sluggish in the

> >morning and could sleep until noon if I did not wake her. But, like me,

> >she is wide awake and night and not the least bit ready for bed...maybe

> >adrenal issues, too.

> >

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> >

> >

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Thanks !

Believe me, with 4 children and

20+ years, we have done everything! The only thing I could not find a doctor to

check was sleep disorder. No one would do a sleep test on a child unless they

had heart problems. Maybe that has changed, I have not checked that in 10

years. After trying lots of things, the answer kept being “be patient, he

will outgrown it at ____ years.” Well, first it was 10, then 12, then 15,

then 18. Now I hear stories of adults still having this problem. My oldest

stopped at 14, two others at 8 & 12 after using an alarm. This son actually

stopped for a year after using an

alarm, but then started again and nothing has worked since then. My mother and

husband struggled with this, and were humiliated by their families. We have

worked very hard to not do that. Not like he wants this! I am thankful that it

is not worse health problems, but would really like to see an end for his sake.

Today we go to the doctor with his bloodwork results, hopefully will start NDT.

Donna in IL

Hi, sorry I have only just seen this message.

There is most definitely a connection with bedwetting and thyroid/adrenal

issues for some children.

My daughter wet the bed (well SOAKED the bed actually) every night. She went

through training with and alarm, urodynamic testing and even the sesmopressin spray

which although supposed to stop urination at night was totally ineffectual for

her.

At the age of twelve she began Armour thyroid and hydrocortisone. despite

previously seeing several Doctors who all refused to believe that she could

possibly have any hormonal deficiencies as her blood tests were " perfectly

normal " . Upon seeing an " alternative " Doctor it was clear that

she was both hypothyroid and hypoadrenal. The bedwetting stopped practically

overnight. I should also mention she finally started putting on weight, looking

healthier, feeling normal mentally, growing and developing properly etc etc.

Her veruccas cleared up (after several years of plaguing her) and her constant

illnesses also stopped.

Of course I know this isn't the answer to all bedwetting problems but if

everything else has been ruled out or you think there are clear clinical signs

of thyroid or adrenal disease (and they often go together of course) it is

something worth persuing.

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>

> >

> >Is there a connection between thyroid and bedwetting? This I did not

> >know. I have an 8 year old who is bedwetting every night. Out of 5

kids,

> >this is the only one I've experienced this with. Also, many UTI's if

she

> >goes even one day without drinking enough water...and she does not

like

> >to drink. Probiotics seem helpful to suppress infection symptoms if I

am

> >consistent in giving them to her daily. She is very sluggish in the

> >morning and could sleep until noon if I did not wake her. But, like

me,

> >she is wide awake and night and not the least bit ready for

bed...maybe

> >adrenal issues, too.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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05/31/10

> >13:25:00

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

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I will put in a plug for D-Mannose, I read about it on one of these forums, I

have used cranberry for years, and I am sure it helped some, but I got a lot of

relief from D-Mannose when I tried it, I will always have it on hand now, and

will take it if I have the slightest irritation.

Beth in MN

>

> -- While you are on the way to solving the causes, I recommend trying

> D-Mannose for the UTI issues. It is a simple carbohydrate, a natural

> substance, that doesn't allow pathogens to adhere to the walls of the UT,

> so infection can't set in and is washed out of the body. It can be

> purchased as a powder and has a sweet taste, or as capsules, and is not

> expensive. A lot of people with chronic UTI problems are taking it daily or

> weekly as a preventative. It's helped me and others I've given it to.

>

>

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera & rls=en & q=d-mannose+uti & sourceid=opera & \

ie=utf-8 & oe=utf-8

>

> good info on how it works, safety, etc:

> http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=4301

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You might be able to find something useful in this link: Scroll down to find

bedwetting. I posted earlier to take raw apple cider vinegar and raw honey.

This link offers enzyme therapy as a solution but ACV and honey would probably

do the job. My digestion has improved a hundred fold since drinking it.

http://www.litalee.com/shopexd.asp?id=196

Joan

>

>

> Hi, sorry I have only just seen this message.

>

> There is most definitely a connection with bedwetting and thyroid/adrenal

issues for some children.

>

> My daughter wet the bed (well SOAKED the bed actually) every night. She went

through training with and alarm, urodynamic testing and even the sesmopressin

spray which although supposed to stop urination at night was totally ineffectual

for her.

>

> At the age of twelve she began Armour thyroid and hydrocortisone. despite

previously seeing several Doctors who all refused to believe that she could

possibly have any hormonal deficiencies as her blood tests were " perfectly

normal " . Upon seeing an " alternative " Doctor it was clear that she was both

hypothyroid and hypoadrenal. The bedwetting stopped practically overnight. I

should also mention she finally started putting on weight, looking healthier,

feeling normal mentally, growing and developing properly etc etc. Her veruccas

cleared up (after several years of plaguing her) and her constant illnesses also

stopped.

>

> Of course I know this isn't the answer to all bedwetting problems but if

everything else has been ruled out or you think there are clear clinical signs

of thyroid or adrenal disease (and they often go together of course) it is

something worth persuing.

>

>

> --

> >

> >

>

> > >

> > >Is there a connection between thyroid and bedwetting? This I did not

> > >know. I have an 8 year old who is bedwetting every night. Out of 5 kids,

> > >this is the only one I've experienced this with. Also, many UTI's if she

> > >goes even one day without drinking enough water...and she does not like

> > >to drink. Probiotics seem helpful to suppress infection symptoms if I am

> > >consistent in giving them to her daily. She is very sluggish in the

> > >morning and could sleep until noon if I did not wake her. But, like me,

> > >she is wide awake and night and not the least bit ready for bed...maybe

> > >adrenal issues, too.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >13:25:00

> >

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

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Interesting that cranberry works but it also stops calcium absorption.....

MILK has been said to cause bedwetting issues and I believe it is due to a high-calcium-to-low-magnesium ratio that causes hypercalcemia.

Hypercalcuria (too much calcium excreted in urine) can be a cause of bedwetting. (Hypercalcuria will also cause recurrent uti's.) People who bed wet have been found to have increased prostaglandins. These hormone-like messengers serve as catalysts for the movement of calcium in and out of cells!

Bedwetters excrete larger amounts of sodium- there is abnormal renal handling of sodium. Excess calcium in urine is not the only reason. Excessive aldosterone hormone from the adrenal glands will cause increased reabsorption of sodium/water, and releases too much potassium. Hypokalemia (low serum potassium) results.

Diabetes is also another common cause of bedwetting as sodium urine levels are affected here also.

As others have said, food allergy, (probably MILK/soy or wheat) and sleep apnea also can affect it.

Magnesium acts as a chemical gate blocker and helps with over-calcium issues. It also helps diabetes.

Taking vit B and good oils (olive/coconut) and eliminating manmade oils (canola/corn/soy/safflower/veg,ect) help create good prostglandins and reduce antagonistic prostglandins- the antagonistic prostglandins are made from arachidonic acid obtained from animal products like meat, milk (there is that milk issue again) and man-made liquid unsaturated cooking oils.

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Reading through the bedwetting stuff is tough. I had one (first born-way before

I was diagnosed with anything other than an overactive imagination.. and a

goiter) who did that. He seemed to trade it out for sleepwalking, though. Any

thyroid/adrenal/iodine connection there?

We are working with a doc who just put him on Cortisol for adrenal exhaustion

(at 14) and he has been taking Armour for a year now (2grains). I noticed the

changes in his behavior after running out of Armour for a few weeks. Amazing

how chaotic things became (3 kids, and a mom, without Armour for three weeks)

That was when I ralized that the ARmour made a difference for them.

But we have really noticed changes since he started the cortisol (10mg) a few

weeks ago.

I was told that taking care of these issues and correcting mineral deficiencies

should help with the ADD type symptoms. Now, if I could just get him to do his

homework... Perhaps with some more adrenal support, that too will change...

It took me a long time to get him the tests he needed. And it isn't a standard

doc who is helping us now.

Never Give Up! j

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You are welcome. Just one comment though - Our daughter was perfectly healthy by

normal Doctor's standards -all thyroid and adrenal blood tests were " normal " .

It was only when we saw a Hertoghe type Doc that she was diagnosed as

hypothyroid and hypoadrenal and a trial of thyroid hormone was started. Our

normal docs have never accepted it still! Just something for you to be aware of.

Many people are actually hypothyroid despite a normal blood test and the same

goes for adrenal fatigue. I'm not sure how much you already know about all that

stuff - you may already be aware of it but just in case

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com is a good place to start.

As someone else mentioned Dr Mark Starr writes well on this subject and his book

is very good.

>

> Thanks !

>

> Believe me, with 4 children and 20+ years, we have done everything! The only

thing I could not find a doctor to check was sleep disorder. No one would do a

sleep test on a child unless they had heart problems. Maybe that has changed, I

have not checked that in 10 years. After trying lots of things, the answer kept

being " be patient, he will outgrown it at ____ years. " Well, first it was 10,

then 12, then 15, then 18. Now I hear stories of adults still having this

problem. My oldest stopped at 14, two others at 8 & 12 after using an alarm.

This son actually stopped for a year after using an alarm, but then started

again and nothing has worked since then. My mother and husband struggled with

this, and were humiliated by their families. We have worked very hard to not do

that. Not like he wants this! I am thankful that it is not worse health

problems, but would really like to see an end for his sake. Today we go to the

doctor with his bloodwork results, hopefully will start NDT.

>

> Donna in IL

>

> Hi, sorry I have only just seen this message.

>

> There is most definitely a connection with bedwetting and thyroid/adrenal

issues for some children.

>

> My daughter wet the bed (well SOAKED the bed actually) every night. She went

through training with and alarm, urodynamic testing and even the sesmopressin

spray which although supposed to stop urination at night was totally ineffectual

for her.

>

> At the age of twelve she began Armour thyroid and hydrocortisone. despite

previously seeing several Doctors who all refused to believe that she could

possibly have any hormonal deficiencies as her blood tests were " perfectly

normal " . Upon seeing an " alternative " Doctor it was clear that she was both

hypothyroid and hypoadrenal. The bedwetting stopped practically overnight. I

should also mention she finally started putting on weight, looking healthier,

feeling normal mentally, growing and developing properly etc etc. Her veruccas

cleared up (after several years of plaguing her) and her constant illnesses also

stopped.

>

> Of course I know this isn't the answer to all bedwetting problems but if

everything else has been ruled out or you think there are clear clinical signs

of thyroid or adrenal disease (and they often go together of course) it is

something worth persuing.

>

>

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You have all been SO helpful with good suggestions regarding the

bedwetting. Thank you, all! I really appreciate the support. I would

say that my daughter shows definite signs of hypoadrenalism and/or

hypothyroidism, just like I have. Her hands can feel like ice cubes

much of the time. I will take her temp sometime to see what it really

is, but it has to be very low.

I have D-Mannose in a product called PL U-Tract Complex. I came across

it recently and picked some up hoping it could be a help. The

directions say to take 4 caps (2000mg Mannose) 3/day...total of 12

caps/day. I have a few questions about this. First of all, how do

those who are taking this supplement use it? Do you take it daily, and

in similar doses as described? Or do you take it only when symptoms

arise? I have not yet given my 8 year-old nearly the amount suggested

on the bottle, and I have not done it on a daily basis either. Perhaps

some insight from others would help me know how to use it and when.

I often treat her UTI symptoms at home, since they can happen fairly

regularly. The times when she was tested with a urine culture, she had

e-coli several times. But one time she had pseudomonas aurigenosa,

which was treated with an antibiotic. One interesting thing was that

the time she was treated for this, the bed wetting stopped. Once she

was done with the antibiotic, it started again. That was several years

ago, and the bedwetting is nightly. There might occasionally be a dry

night, but then she normally develops UTI symptoms (due to not drinking

sufficient amounts of water). So, she can be dry with UTI symptoms or

wet without. I choose the wet without UTI symptoms, so I do not limit

(but rather push) water in the evening, as it is such a chore to get

her to drink much at all.

I have tried so many things for the bed-wetting. We tried

chiropractic, since this has been known to help in some cases. I used

cranberry, but my naturopathic doctor said that was not what was needed

in her case. I could have her tested for the D-Mannose to see how that

works for her (using applied kinesiology). She mentioned vitamin C,

probiotics, and GABA were supplements that seemed to be helpful for her

body. It sounds like the whole gut/brain connection could be coming

into play. Vitamin C could be related to inflammation as well as

adrenal problems. My entire family of 7 has been found to have weak

adrenals. I have diagnosed my own sub-clinical hypothyroidism several

years ago, though the test results were "normal." I found a doctor

that started me on NT, and I've been using Iodoral and Isocort, also.

I am wondering how much of these same things my daughter will need. I

have not done any labwork on her as of yet, and perhaps I should. I

will take her back to the naturopathic doc first, perhaps, to see if

she thinks her thyroid needs help, or if it is just adrenal. All

members of our family are also low on iron (we now take Ultimate Iron)

and most are low on Vitamin D (which we supplement).

I will try the apple cider/honey water. It can't hurt. And perhaps I

should get the Hypothyroidism Type II book. I figured I knew most of

what would be in there, with my decade-or-more quest regarding my own

thyroid/adrenal issues, but perhaps there are new things in there that

will help my daughter.

I find that if I keep my daughter on kefir on a regular basis, we don't

have so much trouble with UTI's. When she does get them, I flush her

out with tons of water, give her some other antibacterial supplements

and probiotics, and recently added a little of the D-Mannose. We have

all started on kombucha daily, too, which I hope will help with

enzymes, pH and probiotics.

I have to admit that for a few years now, I have wondered if the RO

water we drink exclusively could be adding to our health problems. My

youngest daughter has had nothing but this type of water on a daily

basis. She is likely depleted of many minerals. I am now using

unrefined salts (with the valuable minerals) and might start using the

sole (salt-saturation water solution) daily for all of us. Hope this

will help to boost her mineral balance. I need to read the salt

recommendations on this list. I have not read the newbie documents and

want to do so.

One last thing that I have questioned with the bed wetting is this. We

have had some experiences with tick bites in our family. I know quite

a bit about the tick-related bacterias and diseases from a friend who

has Lyme disease, or more accurately borreliosis. Her daughter had

also struggled with bedwetting for a very long time. As an adult, now,

she has also been diagnosed with Lyme disease. I guess it is common

for children with tick bacteria to experience bedwetting as a symptom.

That has been in the back of my mind as well. I don't know if anyone

on this list has any experience that is similar regarding this.

Any other thoughts on this subject are appreciated. I am glad to learn

about the thyroid connection because somehow I was unaware of that.

Blessings to you all,

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>I have D-Mannose in a product called PL U-Tract Complex. I came across it

>recently and picked some up hoping it could be a help. The directions say

>to take 4 caps (2000mg Mannose) 3/day...total of 12 caps/day. I have a

>few questions about this. First of all, how do those who are taking this

>supplement use it? Do you take it daily, and in similar doses as

>described? Or do you take it only when symptoms arise? I have not yet

>given my 8 year-old nearly the amount suggested on the bottle, and I have

>not done it on a daily basis either. Perhaps some insight from others

>would help me know how to use it and when.

The amount suggested is for acute UTI symptoms. If she doesn't currently

have symptoms and you would like to prevent symptoms, and she has a history

of frequent UTI, then fewer capsules is fine. It seems that 2000mg/day is

considered a maintenance/preventative dose for those who have a pattern of

UTIs, at least for 3 months to re-set the body. Then some recommend

500mg/day, and gradually moving it downwards to find the sweet zone, to

where some ppl just take 500mg once a week.

> She mentioned vitamin C, probiotics, and GABA were supplements that

> seemed to be helpful for her body. It sounds like the whole gut/brain

> connection could be coming into play. Vitamin C could be related to

> inflammation as well as adrenal problems.

The adrenals require Vit C, and C is part of the treatment for adrenal fatigue.

>I will try the apple cider/honey water. It can't hurt. And perhaps I

>should get the Hypothyroidism Type II book. I figured I knew most of what

>would be in there, with my decade-or-more quest regarding my own

>thyroid/adrenal issues, but perhaps there are new things in there that

>will help my daughter.

Dr Brownstein's book on Thyroid is very helpful. Iodine is essential to

recovery.

>I find that if I keep my daughter on kefir on a regular basis, we don't

>have so much trouble with UTI's.

The entire body uses the probiotics. UTIs are less frequent when the body's

probiotic levels are saturated, and for adult women, vaginal health is

enhanced.

> When she does get them, I flush her out with tons of water, give her

> some other antibacterial supplements and probiotics, and recently added a

> little of the D-Mannose.

If you put her on a standardized program of the d-mannose, she can stop

with the cyclical pattern.

>We have all started on kombucha daily, too, which I hope will help with

>enzymes, pH and probiotics.

great stuff.

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If you or a family member develop a UTI, it may not be necessary to queue at the

doctor's office or at the pharmacy. You can surely treat the UTI with iodine.

Several months ago I neglected to ensure adequate water intake and developed a

UTI. I noticed blood in the urine and pain and spasm upon voiding. It was too

late in the day to get an appointment at the doctor's office, and I wasn't keen

to go to the ER. At that time, I hadn't started on Lugol's drops and had only 2%

tincture of iodine on hand.

4:00 pm –

noticed the condition

painted 2% iodine tincture to an area the size of my palm on each forearm

Started pushing water intake

6:00 pm –

Noticed that voiding was less painful

Painted again

8:00 pm

Noticed that urine looked clearer

Painted again

10:00 pm

Noticed that urine was crystal clear

No pain on voiding

I just made sure to continue to drink plenty of water into the next day and I

was fine.

If I had had Lugol's drops, I would have painted with that. I'm not sure whether

oral Lugol's would have resolved the UTI any faster. Transdermal iodine probably

starts to reach the kidneys and bladder sooner and may maintain levels over a

more sustained period.

--- In iodine , Osmond <sayitwell@...> wrote:

>[snip]

>

> I often treat her UTI symptoms at home, since they can happen fairly

> regularly. The times when she was tested with a urine culture, she had

> e-coli several times. But one time she had pseudomonas aurigenosa,

> which was treated with an antibiotic. One interesting thing was that

> the time she was treated for this, the bed wetting stopped. Once she

> was done with the antibiotic, it started again. That was several years

> ago, and the bedwetting is nightly. There might occasionally be a dry

> night, but then she normally develops UTI symptoms (due to not drinking

> sufficient amounts of water). So, she can be dry with UTI symptoms or

> wet without. I choose the wet without UTI symptoms, so I do not limit

> (but rather push) water in the evening, as it is such a chore to get her

> to drink much at all.

> [snip]

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You are all so very helpful. Thank you again!

So, let me understand what I think I am hearing stated. Is it correct

to say that UTIs themselves can be brought on by lack of iodine, or am I

misunderstanding that piece?

It sounds like I must get Dr. Brownstein's Book to fully understand this

connection, or is the HT Type II more pertinent on this topic?

I thought that the UTIs were probably more connected to lack of good gut

bacteria, which could also be part of the equation, I suppose. But the

lack of iodine, I had not connected. But if hypothyroidism is connected

to bedwetting, I guess that makes sense that bedwetting can be a result

of low iodine in general (which is what the thyroid hormones are

composed of, right?)

Here is something that I have pondered for a while now. Since I showed

Strep B in an early pregnancy urine culture with this daughter, I was

infused with mega-doses of antibiotics at her birth. This went on for

hours, for the whole duration of the labor and delivery. I just read

that babies are introduced to their good intestinal floral in the

birthing process, which she would not have gotten any of from me. I

have always wondered if somehow she never developed a sufficient amount

of gut flora, since these UTIs keep creeping up so easily. But I was

not aware of the iodine piece either. None of my other 4 children have

had issues like this, but others do have signs of functional

hypothyroidism. I should probably also get some of them on the extra

supplements to help the T4 to T3 conversion. I do believe that many of

us have issues with that. I am on all of the extra supplements, but

they are not.

I have also read about estrogen dominance issues being associated with

bedwetting, in which cod liver oil is recommended. This I do give her,

in the fermented form, which is balanced in A & D. I do know that as an

infant, she had signs of high estrogen, and I was taking soy protein

drinks daily throughout that pregnancy and during the first several

months of nursing, until I realized the issues with that. Just some

more thoughts I've considered regarding this issue over the years.

I think you've pointed me in a good direction. I would be so thankful

if giving iodine to my daughter was a step in the right direction to

ending the bedwetting. I am already giving it to one of my older

children who tested low in iodine with applied kinesiology. He also has

many hypothyroid symptoms but normal blood tests.

Perhaps I should consider having some of us take the iodine loading and

bromide tests at some time to pinpoint what our actual issues are. I am

taking both the vitamin C, along with the ATP Co-factors, so hopefully I

am covered either way....but any thoughts on that are appreciated, too.

Thank you all again for your wonderful responses. It feels so good to

not be alone in sorting out these complicated issues that I have been

working on for years!

Bless you all!

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Hi, ,

An iodine-sufficient person will be less likely than an iodine-deficient person

to suffer UTI's, or indeed any sort of infection -- first, because of the direct

antiseptic effect of the iodine, and second, because the thyroid will be better

supported. According to Dr. Broda in his classic book, Hypothyroidism:

The Unsuspected Illness, it's known that a euthyroid individual suffers far

fewer infections than a hypothyroid one.

I agree with you that UTI's can be related to a lack of good intestinal flora,

but that situation is easy to fix.

I wish you much joy and success with your family.

.

>

> You are all so very helpful. Thank you again!

>

> So, let me understand what I think I am hearing stated. Is it correct

> to say that UTIs themselves can be brought on by lack of iodine, or am I

> misunderstanding that piece?

>

> It sounds like I must get Dr. Brownstein's Book to fully understand this

> connection, or is the HT Type II more pertinent on this topic?

>

> I thought that the UTIs were probably more connected to lack of good gut

> bacteria, which could also be part of the equation, I suppose. But the

> lack of iodine, I had not connected. But if hypothyroidism is connected

> to bedwetting, I guess that makes sense that bedwetting can be a result

> of low iodine in general (which is what the thyroid hormones are

> composed of, right?)

>

> Here is something that I have pondered for a while now. Since I showed

> Strep B in an early pregnancy urine culture with this daughter, I was

> infused with mega-doses of antibiotics at her birth. This went on for

> hours, for the whole duration of the labor and delivery. I just read

> that babies are introduced to their good intestinal floral in the

> birthing process, which she would not have gotten any of from me. I

> have always wondered if somehow she never developed a sufficient amount

> of gut flora, since these UTIs keep creeping up so easily. But I was

> not aware of the iodine piece either. None of my other 4 children have

> had issues like this, but others do have signs of functional

> hypothyroidism. I should probably also get some of them on the extra

> supplements to help the T4 to T3 conversion. I do believe that many of

> us have issues with that. I am on all of the extra supplements, but

> they are not.

>

> I have also read about estrogen dominance issues being associated with

> bedwetting, in which cod liver oil is recommended. This I do give her,

> in the fermented form, which is balanced in A & D. I do know that as an

> infant, she had signs of high estrogen, and I was taking soy protein

> drinks daily throughout that pregnancy and during the first several

> months of nursing, until I realized the issues with that. Just some

> more thoughts I've considered regarding this issue over the years.

>

> I think you've pointed me in a good direction. I would be so thankful

> if giving iodine to my daughter was a step in the right direction to

> ending the bedwetting. I am already giving it to one of my older

> children who tested low in iodine with applied kinesiology. He also has

> many hypothyroid symptoms but normal blood tests.

>

> Perhaps I should consider having some of us take the iodine loading and

> bromide tests at some time to pinpoint what our actual issues are. I am

> taking both the vitamin C, along with the ATP Co-factors, so hopefully I

> am covered either way....but any thoughts on that are appreciated, too.

>

> Thank you all again for your wonderful responses. It feels so good to

> not be alone in sorting out these complicated issues that I have been

> working on for years!

>

> Bless you all!

>

>

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-- so glad you are finding help. At least 85% of the world's

population is deficient in iodine, and iodine is required for metabolism

(thyroid). Iodine is the fuel for the engine of the body, the thyroid. And

it's also used by most of the organs, the skin, and in cell apoptosis.

Health cannot exist without iodine.

So your family will all no doubt benefit from iodine supplementation. Many

parents on this list are giving it to their children.

I wouldn't depend on iodine to clear a UTI at this point, but I have been

getting stronger in every way since I began iodine, including UT. Highly

recommend.

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At 05:24 PM 6/3/2010, you wrote:

>You are all so very helpful. Thank you again!

>

>So, let me understand what I think I am hearing stated. Is it correct

>to say that UTIs themselves can be brought on by lack of iodine, or am I

>misunderstanding that piece?

>

>It sounds like I must get Dr. Brownstein's Book to fully understand this

>connection, or is the HT Type II more pertinent on this topic?

>

>I thought that the UTIs were probably more connected to lack of good gut

>bacteria, which could also be part of the equation, I suppose. But the

>lack of iodine, I had not connected. But if hypothyroidism is connected

>to bedwetting, I guess that makes sense that bedwetting can be a result

>of low iodine in general (which is what the thyroid hormones are

>composed of, right?)

>

>Here is something that I have pondered for a while now. Since I showed

>Strep B in an early pregnancy urine culture with this daughter, I was

>infused with mega-doses of antibiotics at her birth. This went on for

>hours, for the whole duration of the labor and delivery. I just read

>that babies are introduced to their good intestinal floral in the

>birthing process, which she would not have gotten any of from me. I

>have always wondered if somehow she never developed a sufficient amount

>of gut flora, since these UTIs keep creeping up so easily. But I was

>not aware of the iodine piece either. None of my other 4 children have

>had issues like this, but others do have signs of functional

>hypothyroidism. I should probably also get some of them on the extra

>supplements to help the T4 to T3 conversion. I do believe that many of

>us have issues with that. I am on all of the extra supplements, but

>they are not.

>

>I have also read about estrogen dominance issues being associated with

>bedwetting, in which cod liver oil is recommended. This I do give her,

>in the fermented form, which is balanced in A & D. I do know that as an

>infant, she had signs of high estrogen, and I was taking soy protein

>drinks daily throughout that pregnancy and during the first several

>months of nursing, until I realized the issues with that. Just some

>more thoughts I've considered regarding this issue over the years.

>

>I think you've pointed me in a good direction. I would be so thankful

>if giving iodine to my daughter was a step in the right direction to

>ending the bedwetting. I am already giving it to one of my older

>children who tested low in iodine with applied kinesiology. He also has

>many hypothyroid symptoms but normal blood tests.

>

>Perhaps I should consider having some of us take the iodine loading and

>bromide tests at some time to pinpoint what our actual issues are. I am

>taking both the vitamin C, along with the ATP Co-factors, so hopefully I

>am covered either way....but any thoughts on that are appreciated, too.

>

>Thank you all again for your wonderful responses. It feels so good to

>not be alone in sorting out these complicated issues that I have been

>working on for years!

>

>Bless you all!

>

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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i have a history of UTI's and i had an issue with my kidneys in that i form stones....anyway since starting iodine (almost 1 year ago). 50 mg..i have not had one single stone or UTI...not even a twinge....just fyi...>You are all so very helpful. Thank you again!>>So, let me understand what I think I am hearing stated. Is it correct>to say that UTIs themselves can be brought on by lack of iodine, or am I>misunderstanding that

piece?>>It sounds like I must get Dr. Brownstein's Book to fully understand this>connection, or is the HT Type II more pertinent on this topic?>>I thought that the UTIs were probably more connected to lack of good gut>bacteria, which could also be part of the equation, I suppose. But the>lack of iodine, I had not connected. But if hypothyroidism is connected>to bedwetting, I guess that makes sense that bedwetting can be a result>of low iodine in general (which is what the thyroid hormones are>composed of, right?)>>Here is something that I have pondered for a while now. Since I showed>Strep B in an early pregnancy urine culture with this daughter, I was>infused with mega-doses of antibiotics at her birth. This went on for>hours, for the whole duration of the labor and delivery. I just read>that babies are introduced to their good intestinal

floral in the>birthing process, which she would not have gotten any of from me. I>have always wondered if somehow she never developed a sufficient amount>of gut flora, since these UTIs keep creeping up so easily. But I was>not aware of the iodine piece either. None of my other 4 children have>had issues like this, but others do have signs of functional>hypothyroidism. I should probably also get some of them on the extra>supplements to help the T4 to T3 conversion. I do believe that many of>us have issues with that. I am on all of the extra supplements, but>they are not.>>I have also read about estrogen dominance issues being associated with>bedwetting, in which cod liver oil is recommended. This I do give her,>in the fermented form, which is balanced in A & D. I do know that as an>infant, she had signs of high estrogen, and I was taking soy

protein>drinks daily throughout that pregnancy and during the first several>months of nursing, until I realized the issues with that. Just some>more thoughts I've considered regarding this issue over the years.>>I think you've pointed me in a good direction. I would be so thankful>if giving iodine to my daughter was a step in the right direction to>ending the bedwetting. I am already giving it to one of my older>children who tested low in iodine with applied kinesiology. He also has>many hypothyroid symptoms but normal blood tests.>>Perhaps I should consider having some of us take the iodine loading and>bromide tests at some time to pinpoint what our actual issues are. I am>taking both the vitamin C, along with the ATP Co-factors, so hopefully I>am covered either way....but any thoughts on that are appreciated, too.>>Thank you all again for

your wonderful responses. It feels so good to>not be alone in sorting out these complicated issues that I have been>working on for years!>>Bless you all!> >>>>------------------------------------>>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT >group IodineOT/>>>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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I have a history of periodically having problems. I have only been taking

iodine for a few months (50+mg), but I have had some twinges during that

time that D-Mannose took care of. All I'm saying is, iodine may cure the

problem, but it hasn't in the several months for me so far, and D-Mannose

instantly ends any problems I'm having. I just don't think anyone who has

chronic problems should expect the iodine to work straight off and it would

be good to be armed with something really positive like d-mannose.

I'm also exploring whether or not it may also have an effect on candida,

because of what I've seen in myself. The Waterfall D-Mannose site (UK) says

in their FAQ:

>Q. Does Waterfall D-Mannose feed Candida?

>

>A. No. But it's not a treatment for Candida either. However, what we've

>found is that people who use Waterfall D-Mannose on a regular basis as a

>preventative against urine infections, don't seem to get Candida problems.

>This is probably because as an essential glyconutrient, Waterfall

>D-Mannose could help boost the immune system, and by preventing

>reinfection, prevents you having to take antibiotics again, which are a

>known cause of Candida overgrowth.

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At 10:36 PM 6/3/2010, you wrote:

>i have a history of UTI's and i had an issue with my kidneys in that i

>form stones....anyway since starting iodine (almost 1 year ago). 50 mg..i

>have not had one single stone or UTI...not even a twinge....just fyi...

>

>

> >You are all so very helpful. Thank you again!

> >

> >So, let me understand what I think I am hearing stated. Is it correct

> >to say that UTIs themselves can be brought on by lack of iodine, or am I

> >misunderstanding that piece?

> >

> >It sounds like I must get Dr. Brownstein's Book to fully understand this

> >connection, or is the HT Type II more pertinent on this topic?

> >

> >I thought that the UTIs were probably more connected to lack of good gut

> >bacteria, which could also be part of the equation, I suppose. But the

> >lack of iodine, I had not connected. But if hypothyroidism is connected

> >to bedwetting, I guess that makes sense that bedwetting can be a result

> >of low iodine in general (which is what the thyroid hormones are

> >composed of, right?)

> >

> >Here is something that I have pondered for a while now. Since I showed

> >Strep B in an early pregnancy urine culture with this daughter, I was

> >infused with mega-doses of antibiotics at her birth. This went on for

> >hours, for the whole duration of the labor and delivery. I just read

> >that babies are introduced to their good intestinal floral in the

> >birthing process, which she would not have gotten any of from me. I

> >have always wondered if somehow she never developed a sufficient amount

> >of gut flora, since these UTIs keep creeping up so easily. But I was

> >not aware of the iodine piece either. None of my other 4 children have

> >had issues like this, but others do have signs of functional

> >hypothyroidism. I should probably also get some of them on the extra

> >supplements to help the T4 to T3 conversion. I do believe that many of

> >us have issues with that. I am on all of the extra supplements, but

> >they are not.

> >

> >I have also read about estrogen dominance issues being associated with

> >bedwetting, in which cod liver oil is recommended. This I do give her,

> >in the fermented form, which is balanced in A & D. I do know that as an

> >infant, she had signs of high estrogen, and I was taking soy protein

> >drinks daily throughout that pregnancy and during the first several

> >months of nursing, until I realized the issues with that. Just some

> >more thoughts I've considered regarding this issue over the years.

> >

> >I think you've pointed me in a good direction. I would be so thankful

> >if giving iodine to my daughter was a step in the right direction to

> >ending the bedwetting. I am already giving it to one of my older

> >children who tested low in iodine with applied kinesiology. He also has

> >many hypothyroid symptoms but normal blood tests.

> >

> >Perhaps I should consider having some of us take the iodine loading and

> >bromide tests at some time to pinpoint what our actual issues are. I am

> >taking both the vitamin C, along with the ATP Co-factors, so hopefully I

> >am covered either way....but any thoughts on that are appreciated, too.

> >

> >Thank you all again for your wonderful responses. It feels so good to

> >not be alone in sorting out these complicated issues that I have been

> >working on for years!

> >

> >Bless you all!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group

>

<IodineOT/>http://health./g\

roup/IodineOT/

> >

> >

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> <http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e>http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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Hi, I am the lady who's daughter responded so well to the thyroid and adrenal

treatment fr her bedwetting. I noticed you mentioned the estrogen and the soy.

My daughter too was almost definitely estrogen dominant at that time and had

spent her first 7 years on soy as she was dairy intolerant. (I didn't know any

better back then unfortunately). So maybe that had something to do with it. Soy

is also goitrogenic (bad for the thyroid) so it all fits together for me.

>

> You are all so very helpful. Thank you again!

>

> So, let me understand what I think I am hearing stated. Is it correct

> to say that UTIs themselves can be brought on by lack of iodine, or am I

> misunderstanding that piece?

>

> It sounds like I must get Dr. Brownstein's Book to fully understand this

> connection, or is the HT Type II more pertinent on this topic?

>

> I thought that the UTIs were probably more connected to lack of good gut

> bacteria, which could also be part of the equation, I suppose. But the

> lack of iodine, I had not connected. But if hypothyroidism is connected

> to bedwetting, I guess that makes sense that bedwetting can be a result

> of low iodine in general (which is what the thyroid hormones are

> composed of, right?)

>

> Here is something that I have pondered for a while now. Since I showed

> Strep B in an early pregnancy urine culture with this daughter, I was

> infused with mega-doses of antibiotics at her birth. This went on for

> hours, for the whole duration of the labor and delivery. I just read

> that babies are introduced to their good intestinal floral in the

> birthing process, which she would not have gotten any of from me. I

> have always wondered if somehow she never developed a sufficient amount

> of gut flora, since these UTIs keep creeping up so easily. But I was

> not aware of the iodine piece either. None of my other 4 children have

> had issues like this, but others do have signs of functional

> hypothyroidism. I should probably also get some of them on the extra

> supplements to help the T4 to T3 conversion. I do believe that many of

> us have issues with that. I am on all of the extra supplements, but

> they are not.

>

> I have also read about estrogen dominance issues being associated with

> bedwetting, in which cod liver oil is recommended. This I do give her,

> in the fermented form, which is balanced in A & D. I do know that as an

> infant, she had signs of high estrogen, and I was taking soy protein

> drinks daily throughout that pregnancy and during the first several

> months of nursing, until I realized the issues with that. Just some

> more thoughts I've considered regarding this issue over the years.

>

> I think you've pointed me in a good direction. I would be so thankful

> if giving iodine to my daughter was a step in the right direction to

> ending the bedwetting. I am already giving it to one of my older

> children who tested low in iodine with applied kinesiology. He also has

> many hypothyroid symptoms but normal blood tests.

>

> Perhaps I should consider having some of us take the iodine loading and

> bromide tests at some time to pinpoint what our actual issues are. I am

> taking both the vitamin C, along with the ATP Co-factors, so hopefully I

> am covered either way....but any thoughts on that are appreciated, too.

>

> Thank you all again for your wonderful responses. It feels so good to

> not be alone in sorting out these complicated issues that I have been

> working on for years!

>

> Bless you all!

>

>

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can I ask if you're also taking mag as part of the protocol? mag helps to keep

us from getting stones.

> >You are all so very helpful. Thank you again!

> >

> >So, let me understand what I think I am hearing stated. Is it correct

> >to say that UTIs themselves can be brought on by lack of iodine, or am I

> >misunderstanding that piece?

> >

> >It sounds like I must get Dr. Brownstein's Book to fully understand this

> >connection, or is the HT Type II more pertinent on this topic?

> >

> >I thought that the UTIs were probably more connected to lack of good gut

> >bacteria, which could also be part of the equation, I suppose. But the

> >lack of iodine, I had not connected. But if hypothyroidism is connected

> >to bedwetting, I guess that makes sense that bedwetting can be a result

> >of low iodine in general (which is what the thyroid hormones are

> >composed of, right?)

> >

> >Here is something that I have pondered for a while now. Since I showed

> >Strep B in an early pregnancy urine culture with this daughter, I was

> >infused with mega-doses of antibiotics at her birth. This went on for

> >hours, for the whole duration of the labor and delivery. I just read

> >that babies are introduced to their good intestinal floral in the

> >birthing process, which she would not have gotten any of from me. I

> >have always wondered if somehow she never developed a sufficient amount

> >of gut flora, since these UTIs keep creeping up so easily. But I was

> >not aware of the iodine piece either. None of my other 4 children have

> >had issues like this, but others do have signs of functional

> >hypothyroidism. I should probably also get some of them on the extra

> >supplements to help the T4 to T3 conversion. I do believe that many of

> >us have issues with that. I am on all of the extra supplements, but

> >they are not.

> >

> >I have also read about estrogen dominance issues being associated with

> >bedwetting, in which cod liver oil is recommended. This I do give her,

> >in the fermented form, which is balanced in A & D. I do know that as an

> >infant, she had signs of high estrogen, and I was taking soy protein

> >drinks daily throughout that pregnancy and during the first several

> >months of nursing, until I realized the issues with that. Just some

> >more thoughts I've considered regarding this issue over the years.

> >

> >I think you've pointed me in a good direction. I would be so thankful

> >if giving iodine to my daughter was a step in the right direction to

> >ending the bedwetting. I am already giving it to one of my older

> >children who tested low in iodine with applied kinesiology. He also has

> >many hypothyroid symptoms but normal blood tests.

> >

> >Perhaps I should consider having some of us take the iodine loading and

> >bromide tests at some time to pinpoint what our actual issues are. I am

> >taking both the vitamin C, along with the ATP Co-factors, so hopefully I

> >am covered either way....but any thoughts on that are appreciated, too.

> >

> >Thank you all again for your wonderful responses. It feels so good to

> >not be alone in sorting out these complicated issues that I have been

> >working on for years!

> >

> >Bless you all!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

> >group IodineOT/

> >

> >

> >Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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I heard an advertisment on the radio for a podudct called Kidney Drops. I wounde if that would work. Also cranberry juice is good to counteract UTI as well as the tea.

Jag

From: spacejunkie2001us <scastor@...>Subject: Re: Bedwettingiodine Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 4:05 PM

can I ask if you're also taking mag as part of the protocol? mag helps to keep us from getting stones.> >You are all so very helpful. Thank you again!> >> >So, let

me understand what I think I am hearing stated. Is it correct> >to say that UTIs themselves can be brought on by lack of iodine, or am I> >misunderstanding that piece?> >> >It sounds like I must get Dr. Brownstein's Book to fully understand this> >connection, or is the HT Type II more pertinent on this topic?> >> >I thought that the UTIs were probably more connected to lack of good gut> >bacteria, which could also be part of the equation, I suppose. But the> >lack of iodine, I had not connected. But if hypothyroidism is connected> >to bedwetting, I guess that makes sense that bedwetting can be a result> >of low iodine in general (which is what the thyroid hormones are> >composed of, right?)> >> >Here is something that I have pondered for a while now. Since I showed> >Strep B in an early pregnancy urine

culture with this daughter, I was> >infused with mega-doses of antibiotics at her birth. This went on for> >hours, for the whole duration of the labor and delivery. I just read> >that babies are introduced to their good intestinal floral in the> >birthing process, which she would not have gotten any of from me. I> >have always wondered if somehow she never developed a sufficient amount> >of gut flora, since these UTIs keep creeping up so easily. But I was> >not aware of the iodine piece either. None of my other 4 children have> >had issues like this, but others do have signs of functional> >hypothyroidism. I should probably also get some of them on the extra> >supplements to help the T4 to T3 conversion. I do believe that many of> >us have issues with that. I am on all of the extra supplements, but> >they are not.> >>

>I have also read about estrogen dominance issues being associated with> >bedwetting, in which cod liver oil is recommended. This I do give her,> >in the fermented form, which is balanced in A & D. I do know that as an> >infant, she had signs of high estrogen, and I was taking soy protein> >drinks daily throughout that pregnancy and during the first several> >months of nursing, until I realized the issues with that. Just some> >more thoughts I've considered regarding this issue over the years.> >> >I think you've pointed me in a good direction. I would be so thankful> >if giving iodine to my daughter was a step in the right direction to> >ending the bedwetting. I am already giving it to one of my older> >children who tested low in iodine with applied kinesiology. He also has> >many hypothyroid symptoms but normal blood

tests.> >> >Perhaps I should consider having some of us take the iodine loading and> >bromide tests at some time to pinpoint what our actual issues are. I am> >taking both the vitamin C, along with the ATP Co-factors, so hopefully I> >am covered either way....but any thoughts on that are appreciated, too.> >> >Thank you all again for your wonderful responses. It feels so good to> >not be alone in sorting out these complicated issues that I have been> >working on for years!> >> >Bless you all!> > > >> >> >> >------------------------------------> >> >All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT > >group IodineOT/> >>

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Just curious if any of your kids wet the bed and if the doctor has said it could

be related to the JRA? If you are uncomfortable disclosing this information,

please e-mail me privately. My daughter is 11, and she still wets the bed. I

don't think there would be a connection, but just wondering.

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I don't think it was related to JRA but such a sound sleeper. wet the bed

until 8 to 9 yrs old . He got so big that we tried adult sized diapers but they

leaked through. After about 2 weeks of nothing and him waking up wet, he started

learning on his own and suddenly stopped.IT is a hardship of washing bedding

every day but in our case it was waking up wet and going to the couch and

staying dry. I do not think this is a JIA issue but a common childhood issue.Be

prepared to do lots of laundry but let him wet himself and learn to wake up when

he has to pee.

Becki and 12 Sojra

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Subject: Bedwetting

Just curious if any of your kids wet the bed and if the doctor has said it could

be related to the JRA? If you are uncomfortable disclosing this information,

please e-mail me privately. My daughter is 11, and she still wets the bed. I

don't think there would be a connection, but just wondering.

Jo

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