Measles

[Guest guest]

yes, rash came after fever broke

her appetite is still small, but she is eating and drinking and playing

so I'm not worried

Kathy

Re: measles

> did the rash only come after the fever broke? That has been my

experience

> with Roseola. 2 kids, and 5 years in a daycare center and that's the

> typical pattern that I saw. I also noticed with the boys (as the kids

in

> daycare were home for a few days), that about day 3 of the rash, it

started

> to lighten up and within a week - 10 days (the boys are 8 and 11 its'

hard

> to remember that far back) it was gone.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mon - fever

Tues day - not herself - grumpy, whiny, fever

Tues dinner - would not eat, went to bed at 5:30; woke up at 6:30

vomitting; sick again at 9pm and again at 11pm

Wed - fever, small apetite, notice a little rash in evening, starting on

face (left cheek)

Thurs - no fever, rash more prominent; after evening bath rash allover

trunk, arms, legs

Fri - am rash gone down; bath and rash again; same thing after evening

bath - more rash

Sat - rash this morning looks like faded red spots allover trunk, arms,

legs, and left cheek; will try a bath shortly

when the rash gets worse, the spots are very red and raised

she didn't seem to have any symptoms of measles, and I looked at

pictures of roseola and measles and it looks more like roseola

I have given her vit c (sod.asc.), chlorophyll, and echinacea. Nothing

else.

Kathy

> At 09:11 PM 10/19/2001 -0400, you wrote:

> >the rash is worse today! looks like roseola

> >haven't gone to the doctor, will wait and see

> >Kathy

> >

> >

>

> I don't remember reading a description of the rash.

> Can you describe the chain of events from when your child first got

sick

> (or anything that preceded getting sick)

> all symptoms and order etc

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

[Guest guest]

I stopped taking temps because it can be too scary. I just watch their

demeanor. I almost took her to the doctor, but couldn't get through

when I called. Kathy

From: <colinsapmama@...>

> When my son had roseola, it started as a really high fever and then

when the

> fever broke, he had the rash. The rash was totally gone within three

days.

> Good luck, trying to figure out what it is, I know that it can be

> frustrating. When Colin first had his fever, it was so high that I

took him

> into Urgent Care (this was befoe I " knew " better) and they just

automatically

> assumed that it was strep and an ear infection, so of course they

prescribed

> antibiotics. I took him to his regular ped and she said that it was

just the

> roseola and the only thing that I could do was to keep him

comfortable!

> Sara

[Guest guest]

THEY ALWAYS suggest Vaccination... LOL! Yes, it would be nice if

they told WHY they think this... did they change the vaccine or

something ? The MMR wasn't used until well after 1963 - so ?? What

is their point?

Stacey

> CONCLUSIONS: Infants whose mothers were born after 1963 are more

susceptible

> to measles than are infants of older mothers. An increasing

proportion of

> infants born in the United States may be susceptible to measles.

Infants at

> high risk of exposure to measles should be vaccinated at 12 months

of age.

> Vaccination programs that reduce transmission of the measles virus

in the

> general population reduce the risk of infant exposure to measles.

>

> (SO This means my baby is at higher risk and they are suggesting

vaccination

> RIGHT?)

> Amy OHIO

>

> AMY

> MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES

> Chelsea 9

> Carrigian 5

> 4

> Chaela 10 mo

> from the mouth of a 4 yr old

> " your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! )

> <A

HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The

Haskett bunch</A>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had to take my son to the ER (he's 15) when he was assaulted by another

kid and ended up with 2 black eyes. First thing the doctor asked was When

was your last tetanus shot? It didn't even register until later, then I

thought about going back and educating her on how you get tetanus.

Sherri

Re: MEASLES

THEY ALWAYS suggest Vaccination... LOL! Yes, it would be nice if

they told WHY they think this... did they change the vaccine or

something ? The MMR wasn't used until well after 1963 - so ?? What

is their point?

Stacey

> CONCLUSIONS: Infants whose mothers were born after 1963 are more

susceptible

> to measles than are infants of older mothers. An increasing

proportion of

> infants born in the United States may be susceptible to measles.

Infants at

> high risk of exposure to measles should be vaccinated at 12 months

of age.

> Vaccination programs that reduce transmission of the measles virus

in the

> general population reduce the risk of infant exposure to measles.

>

> (SO This means my baby is at higher risk and they are suggesting

vaccination

> RIGHT?)

> Amy OHIO

>

> AMY

> MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES

> Chelsea 9

> Carrigian 5

> 4

> Chaela 10 mo

> from the mouth of a 4 yr old

> " your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! )

> <A

HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The

Haskett bunch</A>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The reason, for those who do not know this already, that 1963 is the year

after which infants are more susceptible, is that is when measles vaccine

was introduced. Because of the vaccine, infants are NOW susceptible, when

they didn't used to be (due to maternal antibodies, which were passed on by

those moms who had had natural measles).

What it all boils down to is they are now recommending vaccinations because

vaccination has made infants vulnerable. Hmmmm - anyone bothered by this

picture?

For those who have not already done so, please read my testimony to the

Institute of Medicine

(http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Authors/SandyMintz/IOMTest1993.htm).

Sandy from Alaska

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MEASLES

CONCLUSIONS: Infants whose mothers were born after 1963 are more susceptible

to measles than are infants of older mothers. An increasing proportion of

infants born in the United States may be susceptible to measles. Infants at

high risk of exposure to measles should be vaccinated at 12 months of age.

Vaccination programs that reduce transmission of the measles virus in the

general population reduce the risk of infant exposure to measles.

(SO This means my baby is at higher risk and they are suggesting vaccination

RIGHT?)

Amy OHIO

AMY

MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES

Chelsea 9

Carrigian 5

4

Chaela 10 mo

from the mouth of a 4 yr old

" your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! )

<A

HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett

bunch</A>

[Guest guest]

There is a measles 'outbreak' somewhere in London. As of now, 3 cases confirmed,

22 pending. A friend of mine said she heard the affected kids are

unvaxxed.....hhmmmm.

Haven't caught it on the news yet to see what panic they are trying to

spread..........anyone know anymore?

Suzanne

dd Ruby 2.7yrs

South Wales

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzanne,

I think you must have posted before you collected. I posted a link on INP

about this an hour or so ago...

Love, light and peace,

Sue

> Re: Measles

>

>

> There is a measles 'outbreak' somewhere in London. As of now, 3

> cases confirmed, 22 pending. A friend of mine said she heard the

> affected kids are unvaxxed.....hhmmmm.

> Haven't caught it on the news yet to see what panic they are

> trying to spread..........anyone know anymore?

>

> Suzanne

> dd Ruby 2.7yrs

> South Wales

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had measles as a kid and so did many of the kids in the class. I never made

world headlines nor did any of my classmates.

Re: Measles

There is a measles 'outbreak' somewhere in London. As of now, 3 cases

confirmed, 22 pending. A friend of mine said she heard the affected kids are

unvaxxed.....hhmmmm.

Haven't caught it on the news yet to see what panic they are trying to

spread..........anyone know anymore?

Suzanne

dd Ruby 2.7yrs

South Wales

[Guest guest]

Those of us who were young when measles was a normal part of life didn't

really think much of it. All I remember is being able to be in my parents

bed in the dark. It was a treat for me to get to be there. And you knew to

stay in the dark (now it would seem to be because of vitamin A

deficiencies).

Now they compare measles in developed nations to that in developing.

HOWEVER, it is true that the death rate from measles has risen since

vaccination began, because now the high risk groups get it, infants and

adults, instead of children, which is the grooup which can safely get it.

Sandy from Alaska

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Re: Re: Measles

I had measles as a kid and so did many of the kids in the class. I never

made world headlines nor did any of my classmates.

Re: Measles

There is a measles 'outbreak' somewhere in London. As of now, 3 cases

confirmed, 22 pending. A friend of mine said she heard the affected kids are

unvaxxed.....hhmmmm.

Haven't caught it on the news yet to see what panic they are trying to

spread..........anyone know anymore?

Suzanne

dd Ruby 2.7yrs

South Wales

[Guest guest]

i couldn't find much on the net, and nothing was said

in the news this morning.

here is an article.

http://uk.news./020201/140/crf7w.html

it says that none of the kids had received the MMR,

but didn't say anything about the single vaccines.

claudia

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/2/02 7:25:42 AM GTB Standard Time, sandym@...

writes:

<<

HOWEVER, it is true that the death rate from measles has risen since

vaccination began, because now the high risk groups get it, infants and

adults, instead of children, which is the grooup which can safely get it.

>>

Has anyone investigated the causes of measles death in Japan?

From the mercola article:

<<<< since they stoped the trivalent vaccine there have been 90 deaths from

measles.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/feb/21/mmr_ban_japan.htm

[Guest guest]

Yup Sue! Posted this straightaway....before I read any others,,,,,,LOL!

Suzanne

dd Ruby 2.7yrs

South Wales

[Guest guest]

Yeh ...some of the people I know that had measles as a child didn't make

the headlines either......favouritism i call it! Hehehe.

Laughing aside though, this will scare a lot of parents in the UK I expect. And

it won't be reported without scaremongery (have I just invented a word?!) and

half-truths. Shheeesh.

I am not concerned about it. If Ruby gets measles, she will see our homeopath

and he will help us with it. I have already had 2 friends ring me this morning

though, asking questions about it....*sigh*.

Suzanne

dd Ruby 2.7yrs

South Wales

[Guest guest]

Yes, I too had measles as a child and suffered no ill effects. I have

21 month old who does not have a thymus. She has been suffering from

respiratory infections since November and was in hospital for 2 days

this week because she was so ill. Unfortunately she does not eat much

at all and has lost 4lbs in weight. She is one of those children that

if she did catch measles she would be very ill indeed. She is still

breastfed although she has been off that also over the last 2 weeks

but is now having small amounts again. I just hope that it is doing

her some good.

> I had measles as a kid and so did many of the kids in the class. I

never made world headlines nor did any of my classmates.

>

>

>

>

> Re: Measles

>

>

> There is a measles 'outbreak' somewhere in London. As of now, 3

cases confirmed, 22 pending. A friend of mine said she heard the

affected kids are unvaxxed.....hhmmmm.

> Haven't caught it on the news yet to see what panic they are

trying to spread..........anyone know anymore?

>

> Suzanne

> dd Ruby 2.7yrs

> South Wales

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 02:15 PM 02/02/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>Yes, I too had measles as a child and suffered no ill effects. I have

>21 month old who does not have a thymus. She has been suffering from

>respiratory infections since November and was in hospital for 2 days

>this week because she was so ill. Unfortunately she does not eat much

>at all and has lost 4lbs in weight. She is one of those children that

>if she did catch measles she would be very ill indeed. She is still

>breastfed although she has been off that also over the last 2 weeks

>but is now having small amounts again. I just hope that it is doing

>her some good.

>

I really encourage you to find a quality classical homeopath to assist you

when or if your daughter is ill.

This can certainly be EXTREMELY helpful, whether she has a thymus or not.

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

I had " roseola " as a child, too... about the same age, too, I think. Hmm....

My parents were sure to get all of the vaccinations on time but we went to a

clinic because when I was younger they didn't have insurance. I think they

just automatically assume you don't have something if you've been immunized

for it. Since my parents had both had measles as a child, they wouldn't have

caught it from me, anyway. Don't think my sister caught it, though. Isn't

measles very contagious?

-

[Guest guest]

> One that I believe that to be true for is measles - it

was everywhere and then overnight, pretty much gone. However, that

doesn't mean I think that makes it a good thing.....as most of you know.<

Sandy, My daughter who is 24 now received the MMR or measles vaccine at 15

months. At age 6 she had a severe case of the measles. I assure you the doctor

didn't report that case. A grandmother posted that her autistic grandchild

broke out in a rash soon after receiving the MMR, one in which she, an RN and

the other grandmother, an RN, recognized as measles. But the doctor said it was

roseola. This caught my attention because my grandson also broke out in a rash,

as well as being very ill, shortly after his MMR. The doctor said it was

roseola! My point is that it is likely the true number of measles cases isn't

being reported, or is being called something else. Carlson

[Guest guest]

Perhaps I overstated my case, but that's why I said it was " pretty much

gone " . It is also occurring in atypical ways, as well as mild or

subclinical cases. But it is not occurring the way it used to, believe

me. It was a normal part of childhood.

Since it is still circulating, those whose vaccine-induced " immunity "

has waned enough for a full-blown case, will show symptoms of one sort

or another.

I completely agree with you that it is going unrecognized, renamed

and/or unreported, though, at least to some extent. Same with whooping

cough, same with polio.

Sandy

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Re:measles

> One that I believe that to be true for is measles - it

was everywhere and then overnight, pretty much gone. However, that

doesn't mean I think that makes it a good thing.....as most of you

know.<

Sandy, My daughter who is 24 now received the MMR or measles vaccine at

15 months. At age 6 she had a severe case of the measles. I assure you

the doctor didn't report that case. A grandmother posted that her

autistic grandchild broke out in a rash soon after receiving the MMR,

one in which she, an RN and the other grandmother, an RN, recognized as

measles. But the doctor said it was roseola. This caught my attention

because my grandson also broke out in a rash, as well as being very ill,

shortly after his MMR. The doctor said it was roseola! My point is

that it is likely the true number of measles cases isn't being reported,

or is being called something else. Carlson

[Guest guest]

Antipyretics are drugs used to lower fever such as Tylenol and the million

other brands. Fever is generally something we need to learn to leave alone.

A doctor on the Vaccinations List put it very well " The body is not

suicidal " . I love that.

If you study Pasteur and Bechamp, one of the things you will learn is that

germs don't come from without but rather within the body itself. If you ever

have a properly done throat culture, you will be shocked at the germs that

the body lives in perfect harmony with UNTIL the body for whatever reason

becomes susceptible. By the way, diphtheria is common in throat cultures of

healthy people (has to be a special culture though).

Here is information from a 20-year medical researcher - .

Please read all of it, you will be most enlightened and you will find

reference to chickenpox and necrotising fasciitis or what I like to call the

" eat you up " bug.

QUOTE

PARACETAMOL. (USA TYLENOL,IBUPROFEN etc)

Your child is scratchy, your child has a temperature, your child is

irritable, and you ring the doctor's surgery, and the voice on the other end

says what it always says " " Just give Pamol, dear, and come back tomorrow if

you are still worried.

What is the purpose of fever? What do parents believe about fever? Should it

be treated with antipyretics? Why do doctors prescribe antipyretics? What

does the medical literature say about the biological impact of paracetamol?

Antipyretics are also recommended prior to vaccination, though in this

country, this advice is given hesitantly, since there is debate that

antipyretics could " conceal " medically significant symptoms, and confuse

diagnosis.

EXTRACTS FROM MEDICAL LITERATURE:

" Not all fevers need to be treated but many physicians do so to relieve

parental concern. " (Eur J Ped 1994 Jun; 153 (6): 394-402)

" An elevation in temperature following bacterial infection results in a

significant increase in host survival " (Science 1975 Apr 11; 188 (4184): 166-

" Many components of the nonspecific host defence response to infection such

as leukocyte mobility, lymphocyte transformation, and the effects of

interferon, appear to be enhanced by elevations in temperature that simulate

moderate fevers. In addition, some evidence indicates that a fever in

conjunction with the changes in plasma iron levels known to occur during

infections is a synergistic host defence response. " (Pediatrics 1980, No: 66

(5) : 720 - 723)

" Parental fever phobia and its correlates...surprising, higher socioeconomic

status was not associated with a lesser degree of fever phobia...undue fear

and overly aggressive treatment of fever are epidemic among parents of

infants and young children, even among the highly educated and well-to-do.

considerable effort will be required on the part of pediatricians and other

child health workers to reeducate that parents about the definition,

consequences and appropriate treatment of fever. " (Pediatrics 1985 June;75

(6) 1110-1113)

" There is no convincing evidence that naturally occuring fevers are harmful.

In contrast, animal studies have shown that fever helps animals to survive

and infection whereas antipyretic increases mortality. Moreover there is

considerable in vitro evidence that a variety of human immunological defences

function better at febrile temperatures than at normal one. " (The Lancet,

Volume 337, March 9, 1991)

" Many cytokines are endogenous mediators of fever including interleukin (IL)

-, 1 beta, IL-6 and others. Tumor necrosis factor-alpha may be both an

endogenous pyrogen and an endogenous antipyretic or cryogen. "

(Neuroimmunomodulation 1995 Jul-Aug; 2 (4):216-223)

" There is overwhelming evidence in favor of fever being an adaptive host

response to infection... as such, it is probable that the use of

antipyretic/anti-inflammatory/analgesic drugs, when they lead to suppression

of the fever, result in increased morbidity and mortality during most

infections; this morbidity and mortality may not be apparent to most health

care workers... " Infect Dis Clin North Am 1996 Mar;10(1) : 1-20.)

Acetaminophen can induce pneumonia...'These finding suggest that allergic

mechanism was involved in the pathogenesis of the pneumonitis. Underlying

immunological disorders may have enhanced the occurrence. " Nihon Kyobu

Shikkan Gakkai Sasshi 1997 Sep; 35 (9) 974-9) There are other reports of this

as well...

" The results suggest that lung disease (rheumatoid lung) associated with

collagen vascular diseases may be exacerbated by drug-induced (acetaminophen)

pneumonitis. " Nihon Kyobu Shikkan Gakkai Sasshi 1997 Oct; 35 (10) 1113-111

" Despite our lack of knowledge about its therapeutic mechanism, it has been

claimed to be a safe drug, especially for children... paracetamol syrup

(presumably for children) is extensively prescribed in large volumes...There

is mounting evidence that paracetamol is not the benign drug that it was

formally thought to be... We would question the whole rationale of

prescribing the drug in near epidemic proportions. If it is to be used as a

placebo, then it is a very dangerous placebo... The whole place of

paracetamol prescribing for children has been questioned. While there is

little concern about its use in the short term as an analgesic, there is

considerable controversy over its use as an antipyretic....there is little

evidence to support the use of paracetamol to treat fever in patients without

heart or lung disease. Paracetamol may decreast antibody response to

infection and increase morbidity and mortality in severe infections...too

many parents and health workers think that fever is bad and needs to be

suppressed by paracetamol when, indeed, moderate fever may improve the immune

response...the use of paracetamol in children with acute infection did not

result in an improvement in mood, comfort, appetite or fluid intake. " (Family

Practice, Volume 13, No 2, 1996 pgs 179 - 181)

" Fever is rarely harmful. Only extremely high fevers of 42.2C or 108 F or

higher have been known to cause brain damage. Only fevers of 40.5C or 105F

and higher need immediate attention, mainly because they are a clue that a

serious infection could be present " (such as meningitis) (Sunday Star Times,

May 3, 1998, C3) doctor's column.

" Paracetamol has no antipyretic benefits over mechanical antipyreses alone in

...malaria. Moreover, paracetamol prolongs parasite clearance time, possible

by decreased production of TNF and oxygen radicals. " (Lancet

1997;350:704-709)

" The data suggest that frequent administration of antipyretics to children

with infectious disease may lead to a worsening of their illness. " (Acta

Paed. Jpn 1994 Aug;36 (4) 375-37

" Fever is an important indicator of disease and should not be routinely

suppressed by antipyretics...fever may actually benefit the host defense

mechanism...fever is short-lived and causes only minor discomfort...routine

antipyretic therapy should be avoided and may be necessary in individual

patients with cardiovascular or neurologic disorders. " (Infect Dis Clin North

Am 1996 Mar;10 (1) 211-216)

" Studies of bacterial and viral-infected animals have shown that moderate

fevers decrease morbidity and increase survival rate " (Yale J Biol Med 1986

Mar-April; 59 (2) : 89-95)

" Antipyretic drugs are effective in diminishing fever, but have significant

side effects and may suppress signs of ongoing infections " (Arch Intern Med

1990, Aug; 150 ( : 1589-1597)

MENINGOCOCCAL Disease: " use of analgesics were associated with

disease...analgesic use was defined as analgesics taken in the past 2 weeks,

excluding, for cases, those taken for identified early symptoms of

meningococcal disease. These analgesics were predominantly acetaminophen

products......because analgesics showed a stronger relationship with

meningococcal disease, the use of analgesics may be a better measure of more

severe illness than reported individual symptoms....we cannot exclude the

possibility that acetaminophen use itself is a risk factor for meningococcal

disease " (Ped Infec Dis, Oct 2000, Vol 19, No 10, 983-990)

" Antipyretics prolong illness in patients with Influenza A.... The duration

of illness was significantly prolonged from 5 days(without) to 8 1/2 days

(with). Pharmacotherapy 2000, 20: 417-422)

Take two aspirin, prolong the flu - 2 January 2001 Anne Burke, HealthScout

Reporter (also reported by Reuters medical news...) " Taking aspirin or

Tylenol for the flu actually prolongs the illness by up to 3 1/2 days, say

researchers at the University of land. That is because fever may be the

body's natural way of fighting an infection and taking aspirin or

acetaminophen - the generic name for products such as Tylenol - may

interefere with the process. " You are messing with Mother Nature, " Says Dr

Leland Rickman, an associate clinical professor of medicine at the University

of California San Diego. " An elevated temperature may actually help the body

fight the infection quicker or better than if you don't have a fever. "

" Whatever you do, don't give aspirin or Tylenol to children who have the flu

or any other viral illness " , Rickman said

" These results suggest that the systematic suppression of fever may not be

useful in patients without severe cranial trauma or significant hypoxemia.

Letting fever take its natural course does not seem to harm patients with

systemic inflammatory response syndrome, or influence the discomfort level

AND MAY SAVE COSTS. " (wow!!!) (Arch Intern Med 2001, Jan 8; 161 (1) 121-123)

Chickenpox treated with Tylenol/Ibuprofen provokes bacterial skin infections

into fulminant necrotising fasciitis (Pediatr I(Pediatrics Vol 103, No 4,

April 1999, 783-784 and 785-790) (Infect Med1999 16 (5):307) Just two of many

references for antipyretic induced complications of chickenpox.

(In MMWR - May 15, 1998, Vol 47 No 18. All cases of Varicella related deaths

were treated with antipyretics. No causal association was investigated or

ascribed. The " solution " to the problem was considered to be mandatory

vaccination.)

What you do as a parent, is your choice. Make sure that it is an " informed "

choice. Get the articles referenced, do a med-line search - retrieve any

others. REad the whole articles. Give them to your doctor to read, and

discuss them with him/her. Most importantly, if you feel your child has an

immunodeficiency, get your child tested so that you know what you are dealing

with.

How a child handles any infectious disease is dependant upon the immune

system inherited, nutritional status, life-style, environment and resultant

stresses and how the child reacts to them.

The choice is yours.

END QUOTE

In a message dated 4/3/2002 7:55:37 PM Central Standard Time,

larana@... writes:

> what are antipyretics?? I thought the flesh eating virus was caused by a

> strep virus, like strep throat that gets into an open sore causing havoc??

[Guest guest]

At 06:25 PM 11/07/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>me neither I never saw measles in my life, is the vaccination

>responsible for the rarity of measles? if so, aren't they affective?

>I never saw adults with measles...

In my opinion from my homeopathic perspective. People are being given the

vaccine and they are sensitized - they basically have a chronic case of

measles. They can't get an acute, normal case, because they have a chronic

case. The vaccine goes around and around in the blood wreaking havoc.

That is why children aren' getting measles. Instead they are getting

autoimmune disease, autism, asthma, allergies, diabetes and MORE.

>

>so the same with rubella and mumps

same thing

>

>as the mainstreamers say? these germs are out there even if the kids

>are vaccinates, so can these diseases be caught and have natural

>immunity accuired?

Yes, the still can be gotten and natural immunity acquired.

The are a vital part of our immune system development and THEY have messed

with the fabric of life that has developed over thousands of years. Our

relationship with these viruses.

Sheri

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Even from a non-homeopathic perspective......

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Re: Measles

At 06:25 PM 11/07/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>me neither I never saw measles in my life, is the vaccination

>responsible for the rarity of measles? if so, aren't they affective?

>I never saw adults with measles...

In my opinion from my homeopathic perspective. People are being given

the vaccine and they are sensitized - they basically have a chronic case

of measles. They can't get an acute, normal case, because they have a

chronic case. The vaccine goes around and around in the blood wreaking

havoc. That is why children aren' getting measles. Instead they are

getting autoimmune disease, autism, asthma, allergies, diabetes and

MORE.

>

>so the same with rubella and mumps

same thing

>

>as the mainstreamers say? these germs are out there even if the kids

>are vaccinates, so can these diseases be caught and have natural

>immunity accuired?

Yes, the still can be gotten and natural immunity acquired.

The are a vital part of our immune system development and THEY have

messed with the fabric of life that has developed over thousands of

years. Our relationship with these viruses.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$

Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

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(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

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Homeopathy course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

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THE

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sinead,

I am a mother of 3 boys, and I have experienced this. It is actually called

ROSEOLA, and sometimes referred to as " infant measles " ...although it really is

not measles. It is a virus, and the rash should pass quickly.

My (former) pediatrician tried to tell me it was scarlet fever, which is

caused by strep, even after the lab work came up negative. But, that's another

story!

Hope your little one is feeling better already!

Carolyn P

Dayton, OH

[Guest guest]

My son had this when he was 13 months old. He vomited several times, and had a

fever of 105. When the fever broke, he had a rash on his trunk. That was it!

Very scary while it lasted, but he came through with flying colors, and our

daughter, who was 2 didn't " catch " it from him.

Kay

****************

Well, first she puked, then she got a fever which

lasted 3-4 days and then went right down and a rash on

her trunk came out. I was frantic and called NHS Line

etc etc and they were useless diagnosing meningitus

and I was sure it wasn't that. Isn't that the first

thing everyone checks for anyway? So I was trawling

on the net and found baby measles - basically it fits

the exact symptons and is considered the mildest form

of measles and afflicts babies aged 6mos-2 yrs.

I will look on the net for some info but just wondered

if any of you experienced mothers out there could

advise me....

Thanks

Sinead.

[Guest guest]

Well it is stories like this that make the worries real.

Amy