New Member

[Guest guest]

Hi Rochelle welcome to the group. Sorry to hear about the pain you

have in your neck. I can't help you with what you have I had lower

neck problems and had a fusion there 2 yrs ago and its pretty good

now. I just had a double layer back fusion 3 months ago and am still

recovering from that. All I can tell you is neck pain is WEIRD,

stranger than back pain from what I went thru. So many nerves up

there to hurt its harder I think for dr's to find the right place

that is hurting you. I wish you luck with your next test hopefully

they will find the answer there. I know its no picnic though I have

gone thru all of this for over 6 yrs and it was all from injuries I

incurred 17-20 yrs ago. Long term you pay for this it seems like. I

hope you have better luck with this next test. Best wishes Sharon

Group Owner

>

> Hi everyone,

> I am a new member as of today. I also belong to the

gastroparesis

> support group at groups and realized how beneficial belonging

> to that group has been for me and the other members so now that I

> have this change in my neck problem I looked on groups and

> found your group.

> I have been dealing with neck pain on and off for over 30 years

> since a whiplash injury in my early 20's. In the past the pain has

> either been in remission or there's been soreness and stiffness on

> the left side of the neck and pain radiating down the left side of

> my arm to my thumb. But has usually gone away - sometimes for

years.

> It was bad last year so I saw an orthopedist and had an MRI, which

> showed a mess at C4,5 and 6, but not bad enough for surgery. I had

> physical therapy and cervical epidurals last year and the pain

went

> into remission again. However, on Jan.6 I got a stomach virus

that

> damaged my stomach to the point where I got gastroparesis or

delayed

> stomach emptying which causes inability to eat much of anything

> without medicine which makes the stomach contract for the food to

> empty and there is horrible heartburn. My weight went below 100

lbs

> (I'm 5'5 " ) and I looked like a skeleton. I hardly slept due to

the

> heartburn even though I was on strong acid reducers (40 mg. Nexium

> twice a day plus pepsid) and felt like a zombie due to lack of

sleep

> and the gastric med I was on (Reglan - the med from hell) During

> most of this time my neck was OK, but then somehow I injured it.

> Right away I got another cervical epidural and started Physical

> therapy (she does spinal mobilization and I think she did it too

> hard) and after 3 sessions I was worse so I stopped. Now for two

> months I've been trying to get better but can't. I got on another

> gastric med (not available in the U.S) and gained back my weight

and

> noe sleep at least 8 hours (with the help of sleeping meds) and

take

> a nap or two during the day. But the strange thing is my neck is

> generally alright in the mornings but as the day goes on, it feels

> weaker and weaker. It starts with a spasm around mid day on the

left

> side of the neck and pain radiates to my jaw and then a pulling

> sensation goes into the side of my face. If it's really bad it

goes

> to the other side of my face and there's a squeezing sensation

> across my throat. Then my neck feels so weak that I have to put on

> my neck collar.

> For those of you with neck pain. Is this how it is for you? Or

is

> everyone different?

> Right now I'm afraid to go back to physical therapy. I tried

> strengthening exercises on my own, but it made things worse.

> My pain doctor said he felt something weird in my neck (around

C2-

> 3) at my last injection (an occipital block for the pain at the

> temples) and ordered a CT scan (a repeat MRI didn't show any

changes)

> which is scheduled for next week.

> I also went to a neurologist, thinking I have some kind of

> myopathy or myositis in my neck, maybe caused by medication like

the

> Nexium, but not all those tests are in yet.

> So this is where I'm at and I'm thinking that after 2 1/2

> monthes of this, I'm not going to get better and have to accept

what

> has fallen into my lap.

>

> Rochelle

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

Thank you for the welcome. Hope your recovery from back surgery

is going well. I've never heard of a double layer back fusion. Can't

even imagine what you went through.

Rochelle

- In neck pain , " darkstarzz1019 "

<darkstarzz1019@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Rochelle welcome to the group. Sorry to hear about the pain you

> have in your neck. I can't help you with what you have I had lower

> neck problems and had a fusion there 2 yrs ago and its pretty good

> now. I just had a double layer back fusion 3 months ago and am

still

> recovering from that. All I can tell you is neck pain is WEIRD,

> stranger than back pain from what I went thru. So many nerves up

> there to hurt its harder I think for dr's to find the right place

> that is hurting you. I wish you luck with your next test hopefully

> they will find the answer there. I know its no picnic though I

have

> gone thru all of this for over 6 yrs and it was all from injuries

I

> incurred 17-20 yrs ago. Long term you pay for this it seems like.

I

> hope you have better luck with this next test. Best wishes Sharon

> Group Owner

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I am a new member as of today. I also belong to the

> gastroparesis

> > support group at groups and realized how beneficial

belonging

> > to that group has been for me and the other members so now that

I

> > have this change in my neck problem I looked on groups and

> > found your group.

> > I have been dealing with neck pain on and off for over 30

years

> > since a whiplash injury in my early 20's. In the past the pain

has

> > either been in remission or there's been soreness and stiffness

on

> > the left side of the neck and pain radiating down the left side

of

> > my arm to my thumb. But has usually gone away - sometimes for

> years.

> > It was bad last year so I saw an orthopedist and had an MRI,

which

> > showed a mess at C4,5 and 6, but not bad enough for surgery. I

had

> > physical therapy and cervical epidurals last year and the pain

> went

> > into remission again. However, on Jan.6 I got a stomach virus

> that

> > damaged my stomach to the point where I got gastroparesis or

> delayed

> > stomach emptying which causes inability to eat much of anything

> > without medicine which makes the stomach contract for the food

to

> > empty and there is horrible heartburn. My weight went below 100

> lbs

> > (I'm 5'5 " ) and I looked like a skeleton. I hardly slept due to

> the

> > heartburn even though I was on strong acid reducers (40 mg.

Nexium

> > twice a day plus pepsid) and felt like a zombie due to lack of

> sleep

> > and the gastric med I was on (Reglan - the med from hell) During

> > most of this time my neck was OK, but then somehow I injured it.

> > Right away I got another cervical epidural and started Physical

> > therapy (she does spinal mobilization and I think she did it too

> > hard) and after 3 sessions I was worse so I stopped. Now for two

> > months I've been trying to get better but can't. I got on

another

> > gastric med (not available in the U.S) and gained back my weight

> and

> > noe sleep at least 8 hours (with the help of sleeping meds) and

> take

> > a nap or two during the day. But the strange thing is my neck is

> > generally alright in the mornings but as the day goes on, it

feels

> > weaker and weaker. It starts with a spasm around mid day on the

> left

> > side of the neck and pain radiates to my jaw and then a pulling

> > sensation goes into the side of my face. If it's really bad it

> goes

> > to the other side of my face and there's a squeezing sensation

> > across my throat. Then my neck feels so weak that I have to put

on

> > my neck collar.

> > For those of you with neck pain. Is this how it is for you?

Or

> is

> > everyone different?

> > Right now I'm afraid to go back to physical therapy. I tried

> > strengthening exercises on my own, but it made things worse.

> > My pain doctor said he felt something weird in my neck

(around

> C2-

> > 3) at my last injection (an occipital block for the pain at the

> > temples) and ordered a CT scan (a repeat MRI didn't show any

> changes)

> > which is scheduled for next week.

> > I also went to a neurologist, thinking I have some kind of

> > myopathy or myositis in my neck, maybe caused by medication like

> the

> > Nexium, but not all those tests are in yet.

> > So this is where I'm at and I'm thinking that after 2 1/2

> > monthes of this, I'm not going to get better and have to accept

> what

> > has fallen into my lap.

> >

> > Rochelle

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Matt,

Welcome to the group. I am fairly new myself. Moatly I joined

because of bad neck pain and spasm. Recently my back has been giving

me trouble, but I have not done too much with it yet, since my neck

is really what I need to fix right now.

Because your pain has changed from the back area to also

shooting down your leg (sciatic nerve pain), you need further

studies -- at least an MRI. Depending on what the doc (orthopedic?)

sees, he will decide the course of action. Maybe you would do well

with a lumbar epidural with long acting corticosteroids, which is a

pretty simple procedure. This reduces inflamation around the nerves

in the back. Then you could return to PT. That seems to be a common

course of action for backs as well as necks. Then it is really

important to do the exercises the rest of your life!!!!

Rochelle

-- In neck pain , " vpiegr "

<matthewhickman1@...> wrote:

>

> Hey All,

>

> Joined a few groups tonight. All related to back pain. I have

> had back pain for several years. A couple of weeks of physical

> therapy has always done the trick and got me back on my feet.

Just

> finished a 3 week PT for pain shooting down my right leg. Much

> different than the past injuries. This is much more painful and

> debilitating. Tough to walk..etc. PT didn't seen to help much. I

> go and see my family Dr. next Wednesday for a review of the PT

> results and x-rays. Little bit of anxiety of what she will say.

> Kind of scary actually. One of my problems is that my wife and I

> have a 3 yr old and a 5 month old baby. There is no getting out

of

> using my back. Diapers, trash, standing for dishes, laundry etc.

> No recovery time. I certainly can not leave all the

> responsibilities to the wife unit. Kind of a logistical problem.

>

> I joined this group to get information and experience from you

> guys. I need to ask the Dr. the right questions and get a second

> opinion if necessary. I would also like to hear about your

> successes and disappointments with your back pain. I would never

> take any actions without the Dr.s approval, thus, no liability to

> advice received.

>

> I am 5 ' 9 " and 260 lbs. Extremely out of shape. I have a

lot

> of lessons to be learned from that.

>

> DOB 11/23/69

>

> Regards

>

> Matt

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Matt,

Welcome to the group. I am fairly new myself. Moatly I joined

because of bad neck pain and spasm. Recently my back has been giving

me trouble, but I have not done too much with it yet, since my neck

is really what I need to fix right now.

Because your pain has changed from the back area to also

shooting down your leg (sciatic nerve pain), you need further

studies -- at least an MRI. Depending on what the doc (orthopedic?)

sees, he will decide the course of action. Maybe you would do well

with a lumbar epidural with long acting corticosteroids, which is a

pretty simple procedure. This reduces inflamation around the nerves

in the back. Then you could return to PT. That seems to be a common

course of action for backs as well as necks. Then it is really

important to do the exercises the rest of your life!!!!

Rochelle

-- In neck pain , " vpiegr "

<matthewhickman1@...> wrote:

>

> Hey All,

>

> Joined a few groups tonight. All related to back pain. I have

> had back pain for several years. A couple of weeks of physical

> therapy has always done the trick and got me back on my feet.

Just

> finished a 3 week PT for pain shooting down my right leg. Much

> different than the past injuries. This is much more painful and

> debilitating. Tough to walk..etc. PT didn't seen to help much. I

> go and see my family Dr. next Wednesday for a review of the PT

> results and x-rays. Little bit of anxiety of what she will say.

> Kind of scary actually. One of my problems is that my wife and I

> have a 3 yr old and a 5 month old baby. There is no getting out

of

> using my back. Diapers, trash, standing for dishes, laundry etc.

> No recovery time. I certainly can not leave all the

> responsibilities to the wife unit. Kind of a logistical problem.

>

> I joined this group to get information and experience from you

> guys. I need to ask the Dr. the right questions and get a second

> opinion if necessary. I would also like to hear about your

> successes and disappointments with your back pain. I would never

> take any actions without the Dr.s approval, thus, no liability to

> advice received.

>

> I am 5 ' 9 " and 260 lbs. Extremely out of shape. I have a

lot

> of lessons to be learned from that.

>

> DOB 11/23/69

>

> Regards

>

> Matt

>

[Guest guest]

hi Matt welcome to the group. It sounds like you are having sciatic

nerve pain. But what is causing it is the key thing. It could be a

herniated disc or a bulging one or something else. Has your dr

orederd a MRI for you yet?? Most do since xrays don't show as much

as a MRI does. I have had sciatic pain in my left leg all the way to

my foot and around it for 6+ years. Recovering from my 3rd surgery

to try and get rid of it right now. I know its tough to live with

not being able to walk and move around freely really ruins your

daily life. But if I were you I would look into getting you well now

cause those kids are going to need you for a long time and it may

get better or it may get worse. Surgery if your dr suggest that

would be from 3-6 months recovery time, yet even in that time you

would still be able to do First you will have to see your dr this

week and find out what is wrong with your back. After you find out I

am sure several people here should be able to tell you what they

have been thru what worked and what didn't. I can point you to some

areas online to do some research but first you really need to know

what exactly is causing your problems.I would suggest you write down

a list of ??? " s to ask the dr when you go that is a good way to

start. Best wishes and welcome again. Sharon Group

Onwer

>

> Hey All,

>

> Joined a few groups tonight. All related to back pain. I have

> had back pain for several years. A couple of weeks of physical

> therapy has always done the trick and got me back on my feet.

Just

> finished a 3 week PT for pain shooting down my right leg. Much

> different than the past injuries. This is much more painful and

> debilitating. Tough to walk..etc. PT didn't seen to help much. I

> go and see my family Dr. next Wednesday for a review of the PT

> results and x-rays. Little bit of anxiety of what she will say.

> Kind of scary actually. One of my problems is that my wife and I

> have a 3 yr old and a 5 month old baby. There is no getting out

of

> using my back. Diapers, trash, standing for dishes, laundry etc.

> No recovery time. I certainly can not leave all the

> responsibilities to the wife unit. Kind of a logistical problem.

>

> I joined this group to get information and experience from you

> guys. I need to ask the Dr. the right questions and get a second

> opinion if necessary. I would also like to hear about your

> successes and disappointments with your back pain. I would never

> take any actions without the Dr.s approval, thus, no liability to

> advice received.

>

> I am 5 ' 9 " and 260 lbs. Extremely out of shape. I have a

lot

> of lessons to be learned from that.

>

> DOB 11/23/69

>

> Regards

>

> Matt

>

[Guest guest]

hi Matt welcome to the group. It sounds like you are having sciatic

nerve pain. But what is causing it is the key thing. It could be a

herniated disc or a bulging one or something else. Has your dr

orederd a MRI for you yet?? Most do since xrays don't show as much

as a MRI does. I have had sciatic pain in my left leg all the way to

my foot and around it for 6+ years. Recovering from my 3rd surgery

to try and get rid of it right now. I know its tough to live with

not being able to walk and move around freely really ruins your

daily life. But if I were you I would look into getting you well now

cause those kids are going to need you for a long time and it may

get better or it may get worse. Surgery if your dr suggest that

would be from 3-6 months recovery time, yet even in that time you

would still be able to do First you will have to see your dr this

week and find out what is wrong with your back. After you find out I

am sure several people here should be able to tell you what they

have been thru what worked and what didn't. I can point you to some

areas online to do some research but first you really need to know

what exactly is causing your problems.I would suggest you write down

a list of ??? " s to ask the dr when you go that is a good way to

start. Best wishes and welcome again. Sharon Group

Onwer

>

> Hey All,

>

> Joined a few groups tonight. All related to back pain. I have

> had back pain for several years. A couple of weeks of physical

> therapy has always done the trick and got me back on my feet.

Just

> finished a 3 week PT for pain shooting down my right leg. Much

> different than the past injuries. This is much more painful and

> debilitating. Tough to walk..etc. PT didn't seen to help much. I

> go and see my family Dr. next Wednesday for a review of the PT

> results and x-rays. Little bit of anxiety of what she will say.

> Kind of scary actually. One of my problems is that my wife and I

> have a 3 yr old and a 5 month old baby. There is no getting out

of

> using my back. Diapers, trash, standing for dishes, laundry etc.

> No recovery time. I certainly can not leave all the

> responsibilities to the wife unit. Kind of a logistical problem.

>

> I joined this group to get information and experience from you

> guys. I need to ask the Dr. the right questions and get a second

> opinion if necessary. I would also like to hear about your

> successes and disappointments with your back pain. I would never

> take any actions without the Dr.s approval, thus, no liability to

> advice received.

>

> I am 5 ' 9 " and 260 lbs. Extremely out of shape. I have a

lot

> of lessons to be learned from that.

>

> DOB 11/23/69

>

> Regards

>

> Matt

>

[Guest guest]

--Hi ,

I have had back problems for some 9+ years and can relate to how it

feels about talking to anyone about your back. My husband is sick of

hearing it, nobody else wants to hear about it, my mother was my

confidante and she passed away 2 years ago. I never thought that back

pain would come to take over my life. I came to the decision this

summer that I want to try the surgery, I just can't see myself living

the rest of my life out like this. Did your surgery lessen the pain at

all? My dr. said it may decrease the pain by " 3 " on the pain scale or

it could be much worse. I am ready to take the chance and hope for the

best.Take care, - In neck pain , rebecca

tereau <adamjac@...> wrote:

>

> I have been battling back problems for at least six years now and

recently underwent a spinal fusion on 12-30-04 (this being my second

back surgery). I often feel that my back pain controls my life, and I

want this to change.

>

> I am a single mom of two teen age boys, and a recently laid off

elementary school teacher. I know that it is important that I try to

keep a positive attitude for both my boys and my students, but that is

often very difficult to do. I know that my family and friends are

getting tired of asking and hearing about my back, so I usually say

nothing, or just lie and say everything is " fine " .

>

> I decicded that trying a chat group, and talking to others who

struggle with the same battles I do might actually be more helpful to

me than all the medications, physical therapy, and other things I have

been convinced to try to help me with my back problems.

>

> I look forward to talking to other members in the group.

>

> rteacher3

>

[Guest guest]

--Hi ,

I have had back problems for some 9+ years and can relate to how it

feels about talking to anyone about your back. My husband is sick of

hearing it, nobody else wants to hear about it, my mother was my

confidante and she passed away 2 years ago. I never thought that back

pain would come to take over my life. I came to the decision this

summer that I want to try the surgery, I just can't see myself living

the rest of my life out like this. Did your surgery lessen the pain at

all? My dr. said it may decrease the pain by " 3 " on the pain scale or

it could be much worse. I am ready to take the chance and hope for the

best.Take care, - In neck pain , rebecca

tereau <adamjac@...> wrote:

>

> I have been battling back problems for at least six years now and

recently underwent a spinal fusion on 12-30-04 (this being my second

back surgery). I often feel that my back pain controls my life, and I

want this to change.

>

> I am a single mom of two teen age boys, and a recently laid off

elementary school teacher. I know that it is important that I try to

keep a positive attitude for both my boys and my students, but that is

often very difficult to do. I know that my family and friends are

getting tired of asking and hearing about my back, so I usually say

nothing, or just lie and say everything is " fine " .

>

> I decicded that trying a chat group, and talking to others who

struggle with the same battles I do might actually be more helpful to

me than all the medications, physical therapy, and other things I have

been convinced to try to help me with my back problems.

>

> I look forward to talking to other members in the group.

>

> rteacher3

>

[Guest guest]

welcome aboard.

which treatments? read into it/them carefully....i guess that's already your

intention.

consider the long term possible adverse effects of the drugs both passing &

permanent, & the likelihood of sides since you have already a history of

depression.

consider the odds of clearing for your genotype.

then take those odds & consider the odds of staying clear.

consider the current state of your condition re symptoms & labs associated

with the HCV...just how imperative is immediate treatment for survival?

look into the new protease inhibitors currently in trials that offer

radically improved results (maybe actually a cure), shorter treatments, far

less sides, and the possible timeframe of their availability to you in time

to matter.

consider the possibility of a combination of alternative protocols to

cleanse/detox, maintain preferable internal environmental factors, immmune

enhancement, and direct anti-viral attack. there are many that can be used

in combination. they require substantial lifestyle revision for most

people, but have the benefit of attacking a multitude of conditions safely &

simultaneously.

if you can manage your viral load effectively you might be perfectly happy &

comfortable waiting for better treatment options.

if you're of the unquestioning herd mentality obedient to " authority " you

may be led to harvest & not have a good time at all along the way. think

outside the box, because all too aften the box is a cash box and it's not

yours. the box is also composed of narrow specific boundaries of the

specialized mindset.

i'm managing pretty well, or so it appears, so far with colloidal silver...

greatly reduced symptoms, increased energy, in less than two months.

if/when i manage to have the resources to get with a lot of foods, herbs,

supplements, & more i believe i might just beat this thing such that i can

be at the least symptom & progression free until some young drunk punks set

me ablaze or some idiot cellphone abuser in traffic gets me caught up in a

terminal pile-up. i've probably had the HVC since 70's or 60's; somewhat

symptomatic but unidentified over decades; diagnosed in 2002 when condition

escalated as part of severe malnutrition & high stress for a year that

followed about 5 years of high stress + moderate steady alcohol use &

remarriage to the tobacco demon.

there's a LOT in the archives of messages from this list of value. they can

be searched by keywords in the group's homepage...the trick is in using

keywords & patience to wade through & skip over the bulk not of interest.

that can give you a big jumpstart in exploring your interests & avoid the

repetition of stuff on the active posts. it can help you formulate better

questions to post.

things are really pretty hopeful if you avoid pitfalls!

cheers,

bobL

> New member

>

>

> Hello:

> I am a new member. I was diagnosed with Hep C around 1996. At that

> time I was experiencing major depression. I had a biospy done 1998.

> Treatment was not recommended due to depression issues. Since then

> nothing. My depression is much better now and I am considering

> treatment. Any advise anyone has on current treatment options is

> welcome.

> Thank you

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group! Sorry we all have to meet this way.

Before making any decisions about treatment...read, read, read,

very carefully....

Remember that any " treatment " is just that... " treatment " not a cure.

Proceed with caution, and question everything.

Anything you put in your body that does not belong there, will hurt

you in the long run. Regardless of the what the professionals tell you.

So, it really just depends on the amount of risk you are willing to take.

And this includes the so called " natural " remedies as well.

I would be especially cautious about all of the colloidal silver stuff.

There is no money in a cure...only treatment..which provides residual

income.

Just be smart.

.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the response. The issue of treatment options is very

confusing. When I read all the side effects I question the quality

of life that a person would have during treatment. I am not into

suffering more, survival through depression was only recently

accomplished as was kicking a long term physician induce benzo

depression.

Do you have any advise on merits of follow up biospy as opposed to

other test? My current doc is one track mind that biospy is a must

followed by interferon combination treatment.

>

> welcome aboard.

>

> which treatments? read into it/them carefully....i guess that's

already your

> intention.

> consider the long term possible adverse effects of the drugs both

passing &

> permanent, & the likelihood of sides since you have already a

history of

> depression.

> consider the odds of clearing for your genotype.

> then take those odds & consider the odds of staying clear.

> consider the current state of your condition re symptoms & labs

associated

> with the HCV...just how imperative is immediate treatment for

survival?

> look into the new protease inhibitors currently in trials that

offer

> radically improved results (maybe actually a cure), shorter

treatments, far

> less sides, and the possible timeframe of their availability to

you in time

> to matter.

> consider the possibility of a combination of alternative protocols

to

> cleanse/detox, maintain preferable internal environmental factors,

immmune

> enhancement, and direct anti-viral attack. there are many that

can be used

> in combination. they require substantial lifestyle revision for

most

> people, but have the benefit of attacking a multitude of

conditions safely &

> simultaneously.

> if you can manage your viral load effectively you might be

perfectly happy &

> comfortable waiting for better treatment options.

> if you're of the unquestioning herd mentality obedient

to " authority " you

> may be led to harvest & not have a good time at all along the

way. think

> outside the box, because all too aften the box is a cash box and

it's not

> yours. the box is also composed of narrow specific boundaries of

the

> specialized mindset.

>

> i'm managing pretty well, or so it appears, so far with colloidal

silver...

> greatly reduced symptoms, increased energy, in less than two

months.

> if/when i manage to have the resources to get with a lot of foods,

herbs,

> supplements, & more i believe i might just beat this thing such

that i can

> be at the least symptom & progression free until some young drunk

punks set

> me ablaze or some idiot cellphone abuser in traffic gets me caught

up in a

> terminal pile-up. i've probably had the HVC since 70's or 60's;

somewhat

> symptomatic but unidentified over decades; diagnosed in 2002 when

condition

> escalated as part of severe malnutrition & high stress for a year

that

> followed about 5 years of high stress + moderate steady alcohol

use &

> remarriage to the tobacco demon.

>

> there's a LOT in the archives of messages from this list of

value. they can

> be searched by keywords in the group's homepage...the trick is in

using

> keywords & patience to wade through & skip over the bulk not of

interest.

> that can give you a big jumpstart in exploring your interests &

avoid the

> repetition of stuff on the active posts. it can help you

formulate better

> questions to post.

>

> things are really pretty hopeful if you avoid pitfalls!

>

> cheers,

> bobL

>

>

> > New member

> >

> >

> > Hello:

> > I am a new member. I was diagnosed with Hep C around 1996. At

that

> > time I was experiencing major depression. I had a biospy done

1998.

> > Treatment was not recommended due to depression issues. Since

then

> > nothing. My depression is much better now and I am considering

> > treatment. Any advise anyone has on current treatment options is

> > welcome.

> > Thank you

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

i'd definitely get the biopsy so you can have the info on genotype & status

of the livers condition. & get bloodwork sometimes to have a look at

enzymes & viral counts, but they all fluctuate a lot so cash outlay might

make that less desireable. maintain the position that the docs work for

you, & if they don't fit that description replace or eliminate them as

they're probably dangerous to be involved with.

the way i see it (i'm no doc, i'm a painter/paperhanger with enough

education to be able to understand some of what i read & enough worldly

experience to fear & be sceptical of anything but self reliance):

i also have history of depression, not clinically diagnosed until last week

when i was assessed for PTSD.

coming from such a history, if you're going to take the meds you should

start on anti-depressants a few months in advance ...that's conventional med

thinking & probably a real good idea, at least for most people.

the antidepressants contribute problems & a body load of their own, which

you have sorely found out.

the meds, considering odds of response, odds of recurrence, odds of short

& /orlong term, even possibly permanent, sides & body damage aren't worth it

unless maybe the HCV is so advanced it's a matter of life saving (that's how

i see it). i would, & am in the process of, using the docs for diagnostics

& monitoring, then using other means of management (as i wrote about

previously).

i've been kicking these ideas around since 10/2002 when i was diagnosed.

this last summer it was getting imperatively time to do something definite.

the CS alone has me in two short months in better shape (except for need to

get back into exercise & stop cigars) than i've been in a couple decades.

the potential benefits from additional things carefully planned & applied

like cleansing, detox, herbs, medicinal foods, pH adjustments,

micro-electric currents, maybe Rife technology (if i get rich enough), etc

etc is huge with no down-sides except some cash outlay & inconvenience. by

the time the protease inhibitors arrive within reach i could see a

reasonable probability of there being no need for them if i pull this all

together.

we're all gamblers in this best of all possible worlds, & you can't win with

a losing hand, but chance favors the prepared mind... the CS is working on

me to lift my spirits towards optimism just from my results so far combined

with others' testimonials. think i'll have a shot (2oz) & go to bed. sleep

is better too. so is waking up & seeing i'm still stuck on this planet

(whatever THAT is!).

i'm getting real interested in this stuff almost like a fun game... maybe

that's a good thing.

confusion abounds, & answers raise more questions, but progress gets made,

order comes out of chaos if you persevere.

be careful, since we tend to attract what we expect the most that's

something to try to work with too.

it's all spiritual warfare really. allies are around. there's new horizons

unfolding despite obstacles.

so that's my story and i'm sticking to it.

g'nite,

bobL

> New member

> > >

> > >

> > > Hello:

> > > I am a new member. I was diagnosed with Hep C around 1996. At

> that

> > > time I was experiencing major depression. I had a biospy done

> 1998.

> > > Treatment was not recommended due to depression issues. Since

> then

> > > nothing. My depression is much better now and I am considering

> > > treatment. Any advise anyone has on current treatment options is

> > > welcome.

> > > Thank you

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the welcome. How do I post to the group? Any help would be

appreciated.

Aprilcupcake@... wrote: Welcome to the group! Sorry we all have to

meet this way.

Before making any decisions about treatment...read, read, read,

very carefully....

Remember that any " treatment " is just that... " treatment " not a cure.

Proceed with caution, and question everything.

Anything you put in your body that does not belong there, will hurt

you in the long run. Regardless of the what the professionals tell you.

So, it really just depends on the amount of risk you are willing to take.

And this includes the so called " natural " remedies as well.

I would be especially cautious about all of the colloidal silver stuff.

There is no money in a cure...only treatment..which provides residual

income.

Just be smart.

.

[Guest guest]

ABSOLUTELY IT IS!!!

Bonnie

New Member

I am just investigating the benefit of coconut oil. Wondering if it is

everything the books says it is?

It is really beneficial?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

I use coconut oil instead of other oils, not in addition to them.

Also, the medium chain triglycerides in coconut oil are used by the

body for energy, much more than fat storage. Of course, one needs to

be active to burn the energy.

Alobar

On 11/29/06, <schwul@...> wrote:

> I'm considering starting on Coconut Oil as well. However, the 120

calories/tablespoon is daunting. How do you all deal with that? And, how many

tablespoons a day are used for addressing severe chronic illness?

>

> Thanks,

>

> -eric

[Guest guest]

However, the 120 calories/tablespoon is daunting. How do you all deal with that?

& & & & & & & & & & & & & & & &

we have been eating coconut oil exclusivcely for over a year now (well, about

90% of our cooking and eating is cocnut oil and 10% is red palm oil)

altho my husband and I have never been obese,

we have definitely noticed that we have lost weight since we have started on

these two oils.

Of course,

we also,

along w/ the healthy oils ,

eat a very healthy diet . Our diet has not sigificantly changed tho,

over the last year of weight loss,

we live on a farm and have always eaten healthy. But the main thing that has

changed is that we have totally and completely elliminated all hydrogenated oils

out of our food in any form and added the healthy oils 100%.

I noticed in my last pregnancy inthe last year,

when I was 46 ,

that altho I had a great appetite,

and ate as much as I did in my younger pregnancies,

that I wouldnt gain weight. I only gained about 14 lbs the entire pregnancy

compared to 40 lbs in some other pregnancies. The difference that I concluded

was eating a diet higher in healthy fats.

I see in my dh who is 52 and in myself now in my non-pregnant state,

that altho we dont have a scale, so I am not sure of our exact weight or any

actual number loss atributed to the healthy oils,

that the main place we have lost is thru our middles and our butts. We have a

definite problem keeping pants up that have fit just fine for years.

I know that I have heard that middle age people who have large stomachs are most

prone to heart disease,

so perhaps the weight dropping in our middles is significant to those findings

since we both are small in that area at this point.

Here is an article that talks about weight loss and coconut oil:

http://www.coconutoil.com/weight_loss.htm

[Guest guest]

I believe that it will live up to everything that is being said.

Cheers, Doug

New Member

I am just investigating the benefit of coconut oil. Wondering if it is

everything the books says it is?

It is really beneficial?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

The third agent, besides the Interferon and Ribivirin may be an anti-

depressant.

There is a history of suicide with the Interferon therapy and doctors

are now pre-treating with an anti-pepressant.

Beck

[Guest guest]

> I've tried the Qlink and it does not seem to help at all.

> Anyone found anything else? Special diets? Certain supplements?

Lee, it sounds like you're already doing about as much as one

could hope for in terms of avoidance. As for diets and supplements,

I've found that evening primrose oil capsules and strong antioxidants

(e.g. Megahydrin, Amrit) are helpful. Also look into any and everything

that contains seaweed/kelp.

Do you have any metal dental work? History with mercury/lead/aluminum

poisoning? Removal of metals and heavy metal detoxification can be

a good way of reducing symptoms around EMF (as long as you are very

careful -- the whole heavy metal removal " industry " is full of

potentially dangerous practices).

As for devices, Clarus doesn't seem to have a good success ratio here.

People here have had success with the Bioprotect card, Quantum Products,

Stetzerizer filters, Springlife Polarizers, Tachyon products, and

others.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee, welcome to the group, and every sympathy in your predicament.

As Marc hints below, a difficulty with ES is that what works for one person

often doesn't work for another, so there are no guaranteed " quick fixes " .

(Plenty of examples in past emails!) But it is worth trying some things out,

while also looking for a long-term approach.

The big question I always feel is - when and why did the problem start, and

what's the underlying cause? For someone who's eating a healthy diet, and

avoiding EMF's as far as possible, yet still suffering ES symptoms in

conditions that don't affect the majority of people, there must be some good

reason. For many people it seems to be a badly damaged immune system, often

for very obscure reasons.

I don't want to sound flippant, but is there any possibility of transferring

to a school without a wireless network? Over here in the UK I think they

are not all that common yet in schools, though use is growing. Depends what

the situation is where you're living. For most people, prolonged exposure

to a frequency you're sensitised to seems to make things worse.

Beswt wishes, Ian

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marc

Sent: 06 December 2006 22:54

Subject: Re: New Member

> I've tried the Qlink and it does not seem to help at all.

> Anyone found anything else? Special diets? Certain supplements?

Lee, it sounds like you're already doing about as much as one

could hope for in terms of avoidance. As for diets and supplements,

I've found that evening primrose oil capsules and strong antioxidants

(e.g. Megahydrin, Amrit) are helpful. Also look into any and everything

that contains seaweed/kelp.

Do you have any metal dental work? History with mercury/lead/aluminum

poisoning? Removal of metals and heavy metal detoxification can be

a good way of reducing symptoms around EMF (as long as you are very

careful -- the whole heavy metal removal " industry " is full of

potentially dangerous practices).

As for devices, Clarus doesn't seem to have a good success ratio here.

People here have had success with the Bioprotect card, Quantum Products,

Stetzerizer filters, Springlife Polarizers, Tachyon products, and

others.

Marc

[Guest guest]

alligator clips are fine.

the word-wrap editing software in does that, there's little can

be done short of just re-editing the piece.

bG

>

> Since becoming a member I have made both the " Godzilla "

and " Paddles "

> but have not yet had cause to use either of them - my question

> concerns both of them - is it OK to attach the bare ends of the

wires

> to an alligator clip and then attach the clip to the 6v battery

> terminals? A second question - some of the posts and replies run way

> out to the side of the monitor screen, making it arkward to read

them -

> can anything be done to avoid or correct this so they can be read

> without constantly having to move left and right across the screen?

> Thanks for all the information available through this group,

> Bevin .

>

[Guest guest]

B12 injections have helped my ES symptoms a bit.

No cure, but B12 alomost completely stopped my

tremors.

[Guest guest]

You ARE very welcome Donna in MD.

Well you have the perfect background for hospital teching and learning

retail,and with the use of this site you will definitely pass the exam.

If you have any problems with navigation of the site just ask. Much is on here.

Thank you for the kind words of appreciation,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

Founder/Owner

rndtreasures <rndtreasures@...> wrote:

All I can say about this site is WOW. There is so much available

here. Thank you so much for providing this information.

I joined a couple of days ago. I am still learning to navigate this

site. Also joined your second site.

I live in land and they are getting ready to pass legislation for

PT's to be tested. I am not qualified to be grandfathered in so I

will be taking the test in 2007. Not the first one but the one in

April(?)

I was a nurse for 12 years. Been out of it for about 9 years now.

Thank goodness this as a refresher for me. A lot of new meds. I just

bought three study guides from Ebay. Used but in good condition.

Got a great deal.

I am currently working retail pharmacy as a TRAINEE. Retail is a lot

different than Hospital.

Congrats to all that passed the certification so far. I hope to add

my Happy Dance of passing this year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donna in MD

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thank you very much for sending me email.

I am Kanwal P.Seth just learning the HIPAA laws and

so on .Though i have very long span of Pharmacy

experience back in India. I have just come to this

country and looking ways to pass this exam.If you have

more to say please do send me details from time to

time.

Have a good day.

Yours,

K.P.Seth

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

> You ARE very welcome Donna in MD.

>

> Well you have the perfect background for hospital

> teching and learning retail,and with the use of this

> site you will definitely pass the exam.

>

> If you have any problems with navigation of the site

> just ask. Much is on here.

>

> Thank you for the kind words of appreciation,

>

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Founder/Owner

>

> rndtreasures <rndtreasures@...> wrote:

> All I can say about this

> site is WOW. There is so much available

> here. Thank you so much for providing this

> information.

>

> I joined a couple of days ago. I am still learning

> to navigate this

> site. Also joined your second site.

>

> I live in land and they are getting ready to

> pass legislation for

> PT's to be tested. I am not qualified to be

> grandfathered in so I

> will be taking the test in 2007. Not the first one

> but the one in

> April(?)

>

> I was a nurse for 12 years. Been out of it for

> about 9 years now.

> Thank goodness this as a refresher for me. A lot of

> new meds. I just

> bought three study guides from Ebay. Used but in

> good condition.

> Got a great deal.

>

> I am currently working retail pharmacy as a

> TRAINEE. Retail is a lot

> different than Hospital.

>

> Congrats to all that passed the certification so

> far. I hope to add

> my Happy Dance of passing this year

> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Donna in MD

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

You are welcome Kanwal,

as a member of the overflow site you will get new emails of new tutorials

that I post on that site because the memory of this site is filled up.

Also watch the posts on this original site for study questions and their

answers and also drug and pharmacy 'news' from time to time.

Feel free to ask any study questions, too.

Respectfully,

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

F/O

Kanwal Parkash Seth <kpseth_45@...> wrote:

Hi,

Thank you very much for sending me email.

I am Kanwal P.Seth just learning the HIPAA laws and

so on .Though i have very long span of Pharmacy

experience back in India. I have just come to this

country and looking ways to pass this exam.If you have

more to say please do send me details from time to

time.

Have a good day.

Yours,

K.P.Seth

--- Jeanetta Mastron <rxjm2002@...> wrote:

> You ARE very welcome Donna in MD.

>

> Well you have the perfect background for hospital

> teching and learning retail,and with the use of this

> site you will definitely pass the exam.

>

> If you have any problems with navigation of the site

> just ask. Much is on here.

>

> Thank you for the kind words of appreciation,

>

> Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS

> Founder/Owner

>

> rndtreasures <rndtreasures@...> wrote:

> All I can say about this

> site is WOW. There is so much available

> here. Thank you so much for providing this

> information.

>

> I joined a couple of days ago. I am still learning

> to navigate this

> site. Also joined your second site.

>

> I live in land and they are getting ready to

> pass legislation for

> PT's to be tested. I am not qualified to be

> grandfathered in so I

> will be taking the test in 2007. Not the first one

> but the one in

> April(?)

>

> I was a nurse for 12 years. Been out of it for

> about 9 years now.

> Thank goodness this as a refresher for me. A lot of

> new meds. I just

> bought three study guides from Ebay. Used but in

> good condition.

> Got a great deal.

>

> I am currently working retail pharmacy as a

> TRAINEE. Retail is a lot

> different than Hospital.

>

> Congrats to all that passed the certification so

> far. I hope to add

> my Happy Dance of passing this year

> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Donna in MD

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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