SO FRUSTRATED

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I know it's hard. I haven't spoke to my mom in two years. All because she

refused to wake up and help herself. It's a long story and I don't want to

bore everyone. And I Don't feel bad or sorry for doing it.....because I am

trying to make a point. I'm not saying you should do what I did...Because

it is very hard...I don't know how she is doing.

So try this...

Don't be so fustrated with her.... Be Proud and supportive of her. You

continue to lead by example... She got the book and read it... she is just

being a little stuborn. Just eating right and getting a little exercise will

,,better then sitting and doing nothing. Ya know she will loose weight with

eating the meals and doing cardio...it may be slower but she will. I would

bet her cholesterol will lower too. And she will start to feel better .....

( Heck a week back into the program and my smile is back and I laugh

easier.....) We all have our starting point... She can't really do this

program just because you say so.... She has to do it because she wants to...

Give her some time... And as much love as you can... She is trying... even

if she isn't putting it all together at once.

Sincerely,

Hammer s

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Hey Jana--

I have spent the past two years experiencing the same exact thing

with my mom! She also has very high cholesterol and doesn't go

overboard on terrible food, but doesn't eat enough good stuff, and

she can't tolerate any of the cholesterol medications. But, I have

the opposite problem--my mom loves to do the exercises, but she won't

touch the food!

If it makes you feel any better at all, it's really the food that

will make a difference in her health. She won't end up all musclely

like the rest of us, but chances are her cholesterol will drop and

she'll see results. Who knows, maybe once she sees the difference

that the food makes, she'll try picking up the weights.

Just show her how it's done--lead by example!!

Maggie

> I am so upset with my mom. I have been trying to get her to do BFL

> for a long time now and she is SO resistant. Actually, I've been

> trying to get her to do SOMETHING for like 5 years now, and she

> always rolls her eyes at me. She says I'm crazy for using weights,

> and 'depriving' myself of the good things in life (i.e. food).

>

> OK, so her cholesterol is in the 400's. She just got it tested, so

> she's decided she needs to do 'something'. (no kidding!) So she got

> BFL from the library and read it. She called me and told me she

> would 'try' the meals but was not EVER doing weights. She said she

> would also do the 20 minute cardio (yeah I'm sure since it sounds

so

> easy!) and that is it.

>

> I'm so frustrated with her! She is 59 years old. Help! I know she

is

> going to do what she wants, I just want her to feel better.

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Hi Dawn,

How often are you eating? If you're only eating a few times a day try

breaking your calories up over 6 mini meals spaced evenly throughout the

day. That works for me, I can't lose a pound if I only eat twice a day

even though it's the same calorie amount.

Thanks,

Kerri

rwd2lady wrote:

> 2 on, and then drop 3 and put another on. At the end of the week

> I'm still at 221. I started this journey at 238. I weigh or

> measure absolutely everything that goes into my mouth and if it goes

> into my mouth it gets journaled (I use Fitday). I drink only water,

> and plenty of it. I am scheduled for a fill on 09/02/05 but I'm

> wondering how this will help me. If I'm eating under 1000 calories

> and I'm exercising, what difference will a fill make? Should I

> really be eating less than I already am? If not, and I need the

> calories, as I've been reading on here, then what difference will it

> all make? I'll still be eating under 1000 calories and I'll still

> be exercising, the only difference is I may feel fuller, but feeling

> fuller doesn't help you lose weight. As you can tell I'm frustrated

> and I cry almost every day because I just don't know what I'm doing

> wrong. I know I'm not that special that I would be the only one the

> band doesn't work for, so that means that it's me doing something

> wrong. Does anyone have any ideas or thoughts, or can anyone tell

> me if my theory about getting a fill is wrong?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dawn

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 7:06:24 AM, you wrote:

r> 2 on, and then drop 3 and put another on.

That sounds normal. Don't weigh yourself every day, as it'll drive

you nuts. And most of us are nutty enough to start with.

r> At the end of the week

r> I'm still at 221. I started this journey at 238.

So WHEN did you start the journey?

r> I weigh or

r> measure absolutely everything that goes into my mouth and if it goes

r> into my mouth it gets journaled (I use Fitday). I drink only water,

r> and plenty of it. I am scheduled for a fill on 09/02/05 but I'm

r> wondering how this will help me.

Well, if this is your first fill, then you've probably only been

banded a few weeks. You should expect to lose ZERO until you get your

first fill at six or eight weeks. If you've lost 17, you're way ahead

of the game. Even after fills, one to two pounds a week is excellent.

It is not a race.

r> If I'm eating under 1000 calories

r> and I'm exercising, what difference will a fill make? Should I

r> really be eating less than I already am?

I don't think so. The fill will help. Right now you're just dieting.

r> If not, and I need the

r> calories, as I've been reading on here, then what difference will it

r> all make? I'll still be eating under 1000 calories and I'll still

r> be exercising, the only difference is I may feel fuller, but feeling

r> fuller doesn't help you lose weight. As you can tell I'm frustrated

r> and I cry almost every day because I just don't know what I'm doing

r> wrong.

You're doing nothing wrong that I can see. You're just impatient and

want instant results, same as we all do and did. Doesn't happen that

way.

r> I know I'm not that special that I would be the only one the

r> band doesn't work for, so that means that it's me doing something

r> wrong. Does anyone have any ideas or thoughts, or can anyone tell

r> me if my theory about getting a fill is wrong?

Getting the fill will help. Trying to be calm and patient, which I

know is darn hard, will help.

dan

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/209/199 Age 62 Fair is whatever God decides to do.

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately it didn't get my entire message....obviously from the

way it started. I usually eat 3 meals and 1 or 2 snacks to make up

my 900 calories. I lost 19 lbs on the liquid stage and nothing

since. I was banded on 07/14/05 and have been on solids for almost

3 weeks. I started the first 2 weeks at 750 calories and thought

maybe I wasn't getting enough and bumped it up to 900 calories this

last week. I also work out 3 times a week or more. My workout

consists of 20 minutes (1 mile) on the treadmill and 20 minutes (3.3

miles) on the bike.

Dan....Thanks for the reply....I'm just going to have to trust you

on this, as you have much more experience than I do, but I'll be

honest, it just doesn't make sense to me. What is the difference

between eating 900 calories a day because you're dieting, or eating

900 calories a day because your band will only allow you to eat that

much? It's still the same amount of calories going in versus

calories going out, which is how people lose weight. And yes, I'm a

terribly impatient person....gotta work on that one.....plus, I'm

afraid I'll fail and it will all have been for nothing. I think

that's my biggest fear in all this....I've failed so many times in

the past, what makes this time different? My husband is 100% behind

me but most of my family and friends have said what I've done is

crazy and my mother even told me that she predicts that I will fail

and that I will have wasted money....if your own mother doesn't

believe in you, it's really hard to believe in yourself.

Dawn

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Hi Dawn,

I have a mother like that. The best thing you can do for yourself is

not discuss it with anyone who you think might not be supportive. You

don't need anyone undermining your efforts through psychological

sabotage. They usually don't know they're doing it, but they do and

it's dangerous to listen to it.

I'm sure your fill will help you. Slow and steady wins the race!

Kerri

rwd2lady wrote:

> Unfortunately it didn't get my entire message....obviously from the

> way it started. I usually eat 3 meals and 1 or 2 snacks to make up

> my 900 calories. I lost 19 lbs on the liquid stage and nothing

> since. I was banded on 07/14/05 and have been on solids for almost

> 3 weeks. I started the first 2 weeks at 750 calories and thought

> maybe I wasn't getting enough and bumped it up to 900 calories this

> last week. I also work out 3 times a week or more. My workout

> consists of 20 minutes (1 mile) on the treadmill and 20 minutes (3.3

> miles) on the bike.

>

> Dan....Thanks for the reply....I'm just going to have to trust you

> on this, as you have much more experience than I do, but I'll be

> honest, it just doesn't make sense to me. What is the difference

> between eating 900 calories a day because you're dieting, or eating

> 900 calories a day because your band will only allow you to eat that

> much? It's still the same amount of calories going in versus

> calories going out, which is how people lose weight. And yes, I'm a

> terribly impatient person....gotta work on that one.....plus, I'm

> afraid I'll fail and it will all have been for nothing. I think

> that's my biggest fear in all this....I've failed so many times in

> the past, what makes this time different? My husband is 100% behind

> me but most of my family and friends have said what I've done is

> crazy and my mother even told me that she predicts that I will fail

> and that I will have wasted money....if your own mother doesn't

> believe in you, it's really hard to believe in yourself.

>

> Dawn

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005, 7:40:04 AM, you wrote:

r> Dan....Thanks for the reply....I'm just going to have to trust you

r> on this, as you have much more experience than I do, but I'll be

r> honest, it just doesn't make sense to me. What is the difference

r> between eating 900 calories a day because you're dieting, or eating

r> 900 calories a day because your band will only allow you to eat that

r> much? It's still the same amount of calories going in versus

r> calories going out, which is how people lose weight. And yes, I'm a

Yes, calories in and out...but it is NOT that simple. You're on a

plateau. They happen, and don't always know why. Often our bodies are

" consolidating " , meaning you may be losing inches but not weight.

Also, with as much as you're working out, you'll be adding muscle,

which is heavier than fat. That is often part of the consolidating.

The last year, admittedly not following my own advice, I've been

weighing daily. I'm well past it making me crazier. I also use a

program that plots it daily, with a smoothed average plotted as well.

I weigh naked, after a bathroom stop, every morning, and on a " doctor

scale " (where you move the weights)

For example....Saturday I'd gained 2 pounds over Friday, though had

been very " good " on Friday. Why? Darned if I know. Saturday I went

to a couple of events where I grazed. Probably took in 2500 or more

calories, much of it of " bad stuff " . Sunday I had lost a pound. No,

don't know why.

r> terribly impatient person....gotta work on that one

Yeah, know that one. Most of us are that way. I always remember to

pray:

God, please grant me the gift of patience RIGHT NOW!!!!

r> .....plus, I'm

r> afraid I'll fail and it will all have been for nothing. I think

r> that's my biggest fear in all this....I've failed so many times in

r> the past, what makes this time different?

You'll make it. All the rest of us have done ten or twenty different

diets. I'll bet there isn't a diet in the country that someone on

here hasn't done. Heck, I've done at least a dozen myself, including

several types of drugs, starting 50 years ago with prescribed uppers.

Guess what...didn't work.

r> My husband is 100% behind

r> me but most of my family and friends have said what I've done is

r> crazy and my mother even told me that she predicts that I will fail

r> and that I will have wasted money

Well, that's why many of us did not tell others besides a VERY few,

such as a spouse. But you can't untell, so....

r> ....if your own mother doesn't

r> believe in you, it's really hard to believe in yourself.

I wouldn't buy that reason. Many mothers don't believe in their kids.

They may say that they do, but often don't really. After all, they

don't want the kids to do better than they did. Is your mother obese?

Or a skinnyminnie that has never gained a pound? I'll bet she's one

of those two and has her own reasons for not wanting you to be

successful and then able to say " told you so " .

If the above isn't your situation and it is unfair to your family, my

apologies....it is just that I've seen it MANY times.

cheers

dan

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/209/199 Age 62 Fair is whatever God decides to do.

[Guest guest]

Dan,

You hit the nail right on the head. My mother is 5' and over 400 lbs. Her

doctor has spoken to her about having a gastric bypass and put the paperwork

through to her insurance co. who immediately approved it, but she won't do it.

She says she loves her food too much. Also, I know this will sound horrible,

but I'm being honest, she would have to give up the excuses. Right now I or a

personal assitant, do everything for her, including to help take care of my

brother who is handicapped and lives with her. She was actually angry with me

for having my surgery because it mean't that I would be unable to lift things

and do errands for her for 4-6 weeks. She only leaves the house to go to the

doctor, when he makes her come in to refill her meds, or to see her parents,

which is once a year. She has her groceries delivered, her meds delivered, and

I or the assistant do everything else. If she lost the weight she would have to

do all these things, as she would have no excuse not to. I

think that if she sees me lose the weight then she will not be able to say that

it doesn't work or that it's dangerous, or anything else and then she'll have

only herself to blame for her weight.

As for my friends, well, they are thinner and sometimes I think that they like

me being fat because it makes them look better, and they don't have a clue what

being fat is like, how you think people are talking about you, how you feel

uncomfortable around people, how ashamed you are because you aren't like they

are.....not nice thoughts, I know, but what other reason could they have for

being down on this. I've made it through surgery so the worrying about my death

can no longer be used as an excuse.

Thank you Dan, I truly feel better. I had been letting the words of others, who

I know don't always have my best interest at heart, affect me to the point where

I was doubting myself and my actions. I spent alot of time researching this

surgery and the lifestyle that would be necessary afterwards, and I am confident

that I made the right choice. Now, I just need to learn patience (now, now,

now), continue to do what's right, ask questions if I'm confused, and let my

band and I begin a relationship.

Dawn

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First of all, you need more than 900 calories a day to do well with

banding. Banding is not a diet - we have all been on crash diets and

lost, but thern regained as sonn as we started eating again - plus

even more weight.

ther point of banding is to lose slowly in a way that will allow you

to regain your health, form better food habits, and be able to KEEP

the weight off.

depending on your atrt weight, you need 1200-1500 cal a day - and if

you are heavier, you need more. This will allow enough of a calorie

deficit for you to lose slowly and safely. It will allow your

metabolism to normalaixe from reguialr and adequate intake. It was

all the crash and yo-yo dieting that got us into weight troulbe, asnd

we must stop all that if we want to do well with banding.

When your body is not gettting enough calories, it will not lose

weight, but it goes into a " protection mode " so the muscxles and

other tuissues are protected. It holds onto every single calorie, and

it takes awhile after you start eating enoug again to start to lose.

I'm not surprised at all by your stall, as we see it regulalry.

Your doc should be instructing you about all this. If you need more

help with eating, therer is a lot of good info in dr Ahroni's book -

the only one written by a Band profrssional who is a banded Nurse

Practitioner.

http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp? & isbn=0-595-31114-8

There are a lot of concepts about the band that are essential to

lern, and it seems many come only from other more experienced and

successful Bandsters. that's why sites like this one are so valuable

(i hope).

Do you know about the basic eatingt rulkes and guidelines, the

amounts of protein/fiber/calcium, you need daily (you can't possibly

be getting them in on only 900 cal a day) and the other band needs?

WE'll be happy to help you learn what you need to know to do well.

I'm sorry about your mom - but, as painful as it is for you, she has

a right to make her own decisions and live (or pass away) as she

wishes.

I'm thankful that you have chosen NOT to live like that, but have

taken control of your obesity and have found a way to change your

life. Don't let your mom stand in the way of your success. You CAN do

great, and we;ll help you. Sandy R

> Unfortunately it didn't get my entire message....obviously from the

> way it started. I usually eat 3 meals and 1 or 2 snacks to make up

> my 900 calories. I lost 19 lbs on the liquid stage and nothing

> since. I was banded on 07/14/05 and have been on solids for almost

> 3 weeks. I started the first 2 weeks at 750 calories and thought

> maybe I wasn't getting enough and bumped it up to 900 calories this

> last week. I also work out 3 times a week or more. My workout

> consists of 20 minutes (1 mile) on the treadmill and 20 minutes

(3.3

> miles) on the bike.

>

> Dan....Thanks for the reply....I'm just going to have to trust you

> on this, as you have much more experience than I do, but I'll be

> honest, it just doesn't make sense to me. What is the difference

> between eating 900 calories a day because you're dieting, or eating

> 900 calories a day because your band will only allow you to eat

that

> much? It's still the same amount of calories going in versus

> calories going out, which is how people lose weight. And yes, I'm

a

> terribly impatient person....gotta work on that one.....plus, I'm

> afraid I'll fail and it will all have been for nothing. I think

> that's my biggest fear in all this....I've failed so many times in

> the past, what makes this time different? My husband is 100%

behind

> me but most of my family and friends have said what I've done is

> crazy and my mother even told me that she predicts that I will fail

> and that I will have wasted money....if your own mother doesn't

> believe in you, it's really hard to believe in yourself.

>

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Just a thought.. maybe it is the medication he is taking for the allergies.

I know the some allergy medications make my husband grouchy!

Sheree

[Guest guest]

Write it in the IEP, or write a letter saying that you HATE to have to

request an IEP over something that should easily be able to be cleared

up, but Sydnie needs to be independent in the following areas, etc.

It's funny because at that age, I would have paid them to meet

at the curb, since our school was being torn down and we were in

temporary buildings, all the way at the back of a different elementary

school. I had to park in a muddy dirt lot, then walk probably 1/4 mile

(at least) to the playground where the aide was sitting, doing nothing,

waiting for me to deliver to her :-)

I agree, if you have a safe and easy drop off location, there is no

reason she can't walk to the playground with her peers, and if the aide

needs to shadow at a distance for liability reasons, then by all means,

walk 10 paces behind Sydnie. Since they don't get it, put it in the

IEP. I always feel petty having little details spelled out, since it

seems like a conversation or two should solve this, but since it hasn't,

get it in writing, in the IEP.

, mom to (12), (10 DS), and Sammy (9)

angie wrote:

>

> I am sooo frustrated.....it seems to me that I cannot get through to

> Sydnie's asst.....Sydnie needs a little more independance. She doesnt

> need someone to stay with her 24/7.....if she comes in in the

> mornings.....give her a chance to walk to class alone she did in K but

> in 1st her teacher felt more comfortable having someone meet her at

> the front...first mistake....so I compromised and told them do not

> meet her at the car its ridiculous.....well now we're in 2nd and

> STILLLLLLLLLLl

> What Im trying to get them to understand is ....follow her a hall

> length if its that important to you......let her buddy up with someone

> for the library...if she makes a mistake...explain to her WHY she cant

> do what she did...if she does it again...explain again! If you take

> the priviledge away...how will she learn...how will she function in

> 5th grade...MIDDLE????

> What am I not getting through?????????

>

> ~Angie~

> May God Bless You As He Has Us

>

> ~~DREAM BIG~~

>

> An extra little chromosome,

> that's all it is, you see.

> Where all of you were born with two,

> She was blessed with three.

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you go to DS Solutions and look in their back issues you'll find an article

called " velcro aide " . If I were you I would print that out and send copies to

the teachers and aide. Tell them that you would like to have a meeting to

discuss some guidelines for independence and could they please read that article

before you meet.

They'll get the idea and when you meet they will probably have a list much

longer than yours of ways they can work on it.

[Guest guest]

It was her, not you, Jen. You can't control people's reactions. If you hadn't told her how you felt, you could easily could have felt more guilty if something had happened to her family. There's no way best friends can keep under wraps how they feel about health care. Maybe over time she'll come back around.

Winnie So FrustratedVaccinations > Yes, i learned years ago not to speak much about it. I lost my > best friend. I should have known..she was such a huge 'friend' > of modern conventional medicine. Her mother was a nurse. She > got every jab her mother could find. Sadly she had a terrible > time getting pregnant and other horrible health problems later > in life. I shared with her about my health testimony, how we > had chosen not to vaccinate and other advice. She was offended > and i think she even got worried (after they did invitro for > pregnancy) after they had kids allowing her's to play with mine. > It was sad. We just realized we didn't have much in common. I > wish i had not been so 'open' about them. I wish i had thought > more about my words. I was just so eager to share with others > about the news (i had taken Sheri's class) and was worried for > others too (like my best friend). I probably went about it the > wrong way. > > Now, i only ask when people truly 'want' to hear my opinion. > Believe it or not i have made so many friends (we have a VERY > close community) that have chosen NOT to vaccinate because of > our very family. It must have been the best to have lost a > friend....otherwise i would NEVER have learned the 'best' way to > communicate the dangers of vaccines.> > Good luck> Jen Carver> GA> >

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I do find it ironic that worshippers of modern medicine often have serious

health issues. i.e. fertility problems, repeated surgeries, a constant " need "

for pharmaceuticals, etc.

I truly believe that if you live in the mainstream mindset (i.e. medicating

everything, eating junk food, etc.) you NEED modern medicine. Because it is the

only thing that will prolong your crappy life if you will not change. It won't

heal but it will make you forget, for a short time, how sick you are.

The whole thing is very sad. I'm sorry that you lost your friend but happy you

found a new community. I was at a meeting on Tuesday (at my midwives', there is

a parent support group every week that is basically all alternative parents) and

all the moms breastfeed their toddlers, cloth diaper, don't use medicine,

obviously home birth. Some just wear tank tops and pop a breast out any time

their kid needs to eat. If you use disposables, vaccinate on schedule, don't

practice extended breastfeeding...you're the weird one there. I love that

environment and need to spend more time there.

--Kate

Mommy to Rebekah, 1-26-08

, 7-16-09

>

> Yes, i learned years ago not to speak much about it. I lost my best friend.

I should have known..she was such a huge 'friend' of modern conventional

medicine. Her mother was a nurse. She got every jab her mother could find.

Sadly she had a terrible time getting pregnant and other horrible health

problems later in life. I shared with her about my health testimony, how we had

chosen not to vaccinate and other advice. She was offended and i think she even

got worried (after they did invitro for pregnancy) after they had kids allowing

her's to play with mine. It was sad. We just realized we didn't have much in

common. I wish i had not been so 'open' about them. I wish i had thought more

about my words. I was just so eager to share with others about the news (i had

taken Sheri's class) and was worried for others too (like my best friend). I

probably went about it the wrong way.

>

> Now, i only ask when people truly 'want' to hear my opinion. Believe it or

not i have made so many friends (we have a VERY close community) that have

chosen NOT to vaccinate because of our very family. It must have been the best

to have lost a friend....otherwise i would NEVER have learned the 'best' way to

communicate the dangers of vaccines.

>

> Good luck

> Jen Carver

> GA

>

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I agree, and that was a great point about needing modern medicine if you live the mainstream way. My sister-in-law is a nurse and she has chronic fatigue syndrome, glaucoma, chronic Lyme disease, and after my brother married her he became diabetic, all the while they're sucking down diet sodas and using Sucralose in everything, doing one crash diet after another. Her mom has multiple health issues, too, as does her son--adopted because of her fertility problems! It's a real struggle keeping my parents off drugs because she's behind pushing my brother to take them to the docs for one reason or another.

Sad thing is, she means well but she's ruining everyone she touches because of her Drug 'em Up philosophy. Ironically, she recently quit her job to run a Healing Touch business! Yet, her mindset is light years away from that type of thinking. I can't understand why she chose to do that unless she wants to show she's master of alternative ways, too.

I bet they'll get their flu shots. Again.

Winnie

Re: So FrustratedVaccinations > I do find it ironic that worshippers of modern medicine often > have serious health issues. i.e. fertility problems, repeated > surgeries, a constant "need" for pharmaceuticals, etc.> > I truly believe that if you live in the mainstream mindset (i.e. > medicating everything, eating junk food, etc.) you NEED modern > medicine. Because it is the only thing that will prolong your > crappy life if you will not change. It won't heal but it will > make you forget, for a short time, how sick you are.> > The whole thing is very sad. I'm sorry that you lost your > friend but happy you found a new community. I was at a meeting > on Tuesday (at my midwives', there is a parent support group > every week that is basically all alternative parents) and all > the moms breastfeed their toddlers, cloth diaper, don't use > medicine, obviously home birth. Some just wear tank tops and > pop a breast out any time their kid needs to eat. If you use > disposables, vaccinate on schedule, don't practice extended > breastfeeding...you're the weird one there. I love that > environment and need to spend more time there.> > --Kate> Mommy to Rebekah, 1-26-08> , 7-16-09> > > >> > Yes, i learned years ago not to speak much about it. I lost > my best friend. I should have known..she was such a huge > 'friend' of modern conventional medicine. Her mother was a > nurse. She got every jab her mother could find. Sadly she had > a terrible time getting pregnant and other horrible health > problems later in life. I shared with her about my health > testimony, how we had chosen not to vaccinate and other advice. > She was offended and i think she even got worried (after they > did invitro for pregnancy) after they had kids allowing her's to > play with mine. It was sad. We just realized we didn't have > much in common. I wish i had not been so 'open' about them. I > wish i had thought more about my words. I was just so eager to > share with others about the news (i had taken Sheri's class) and > was worried for others too (like my best friend). I probably > went about it the wrong way. > > > > Now, i only ask when people truly 'want' to hear my opinion. > Believe it or not i have made so many friends (we have a VERY > close community) that have chosen NOT to vaccinate because of > our very family. It must have been the best to have lost a > friend....otherwise i would NEVER have learned the 'best' way to > communicate the dangers of vaccines.> > > > Good luck> > Jen Carver> > GA> >> > >

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SOUNDS HEAVENLY! :-D

I was at a meeting on Tuesday (at my midwives', there is a parent support group every week that is basically all alternative parents) and all the moms breastfeed their toddlers, cloth diaper, don't use medicine, obviously home birth. Some just wear tank tops and pop a breast out any time their kid needs to eat. If you use disposables, vaccinate on schedule, don't practice extended breastfeeding...you're the weird one there. I love that environment and need to spend more time there.--KateMommy to Rebekah, 1-26-08, 7-16-09>> Yes, i learned years ago not to speak much about it. I lost my best friend. I should have known..she was such

a huge 'friend' of modern conventional medicine. Her mother was a nurse. She got every jab her mother could find. Sadly she had a terrible time getting pregnant and other horrible health problems later in life. I shared with her about my health testimony, how we had chosen not to vaccinate and other advice. She was offended and i think she even got worried (after they did invitro for pregnancy) after they had kids allowing her's to play with mine. It was sad. We just realized we didn't have much in common. I wish i had not been so 'open' about them. I wish i had thought more about my words. I was just so eager to share with others about the news (i had taken Sheri's class) and was worried for others too (like my best friend). I probably went about it the wrong way. > > Now, i only ask when people truly 'want' to hear my opinion. Believe it or not i have made so many

friends (we have a VERY close community) that have chosen NOT to vaccinate because of our very family. It must have been the best to have lost a friend....otherwise i would NEVER have learned the 'best' way to communicate the dangers of vaccines.> > Good luck> Jen Carver> GA>------------------------------------

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Thanks for your input, everyone. I hope this works out for Amelia. To have

your child be in horrible pain, and then be told you have to wait three months

until the next appointment is ridiculous! My daughter's life is pretty much on

hold right now. Today her class is having a bowling party, and she won't be

able to bowl...she can barely hold a pencil. I will let everyone know how it

goes. Right now I am packing for Florida, as we are contuing there after our

appontment tomorrow.

Jeanette