Re: protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic?

[Guest guest]

ozone on an open wound? yikes.

I'd think any open wound would tend to heal better using a little

godzilla, but " any " covers a lot of ground, no? Diabetic or not, it

might help.

bG

>

> " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

ozone.

> But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

treatment to

> try.

> Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> ivan in SF bay area

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ozone on an open wound? yikes.

I'd think any open wound would tend to heal better using a little

godzilla, but " any " covers a lot of ground, no? Diabetic or not, it

might help.

bG

>

> " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

ozone.

> But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

treatment to

> try.

> Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> ivan in SF bay area

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote: ozone on an open wound?

yikes.

Absolutely.

Carol Ann

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[Guest guest]

baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote: ozone on an open wound?

yikes.

Absolutely.

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[Guest guest]

would you put the godzilla on the wound when treating it?

baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote: ozone on an open wound? yikes.

I'd think any open wound would tend to heal better using a little

godzilla, but " any " covers a lot of ground, no? Diabetic or not, it

might help.

bG

>

> " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

ozone.

> But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

treatment to

> try.

> Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> ivan in SF bay area

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

would you put the godzilla on the wound when treating it?

baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote: ozone on an open wound? yikes.

I'd think any open wound would tend to heal better using a little

godzilla, but " any " covers a lot of ground, no? Diabetic or not, it

might help.

bG

>

> " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

ozone.

> But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

treatment to

> try.

> Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> ivan in SF bay area

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

no! No! No!

Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

cloth, always.

One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body and

applying very low voltage, figuring it was " safe " . It wasn't. Even

a AAA battery used that way can conceivably kill you, since the

resistance drops way down without the skin and the clot to provide

some resistance and limit the current.

Just use it on skin, not on raw wounds!!! Please? OK!

bG

> >

> > " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> > This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

> ozone.

> > But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

> treatment to

> > try.

> > Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> > ivan in SF bay area

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

no! No! No!

Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

cloth, always.

One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body and

applying very low voltage, figuring it was " safe " . It wasn't. Even

a AAA battery used that way can conceivably kill you, since the

resistance drops way down without the skin and the clot to provide

some resistance and limit the current.

Just use it on skin, not on raw wounds!!! Please? OK!

bG

> >

> > " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> > This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

> ozone.

> > But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

> treatment to

> > try.

> > Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> > ivan in SF bay area

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

When they used microcurrents to cure non healing diabetic ulcers they

applied them on both sides of the sores, so the current ran through them,

from good flesh to good flesh.

Dick

Re: protocol ?? for non-healing wound

on a diabetic?

> no! No! No!

>

> Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

> Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

> cloth, always.

>

> One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body and

> applying very low voltage, figuring it was " safe " . It wasn't. Even

> a AAA battery used that way can conceivably kill you, since the

> resistance drops way down without the skin and the clot to provide

> some resistance and limit the current.

>

> Just use it on skin, not on raw wounds!!! Please? OK!

> bG

>

>

>> >

>> > " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

>> > This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

>> ozone.

>> > But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

>> treatment to

>> > try.

>> > Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

>> > ivan in SF bay area

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

When they used microcurrents to cure non healing diabetic ulcers they

applied them on both sides of the sores, so the current ran through them,

from good flesh to good flesh.

Dick

Re: protocol ?? for non-healing wound

on a diabetic?

> no! No! No!

>

> Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

> Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

> cloth, always.

>

> One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body and

> applying very low voltage, figuring it was " safe " . It wasn't. Even

> a AAA battery used that way can conceivably kill you, since the

> resistance drops way down without the skin and the clot to provide

> some resistance and limit the current.

>

> Just use it on skin, not on raw wounds!!! Please? OK!

> bG

>

>

>> >

>> > " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

>> > This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

>> ozone.

>> > But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

>> treatment to

>> > try.

>> > Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

>> > ivan in SF bay area

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

I applied the godzilla -pads- to my friends burned and infected leg,

swollen and not responding to antibiotics, and 2 days later it was

nearly healed; had the look of an old injury- with new skin growing

over.

Very dramatic.

Ozone works by killing germs, but stops as soon as you do. Also, it

doesn't penetrate as deep.

This person would probably benefit from mega doses of vitamin C, as

well.

[Guest guest]

I applied the godzilla -pads- to my friends burned and infected leg,

swollen and not responding to antibiotics, and 2 days later it was

nearly healed; had the look of an old injury- with new skin growing

over.

Very dramatic.

Ozone works by killing germs, but stops as soon as you do. Also, it

doesn't penetrate as deep.

This person would probably benefit from mega doses of vitamin C, as

well.

[Guest guest]

For someone who wanted to use the electrodes on a daily basis (like 20 minutes a

day) what is the highest CURRENT the monitor should read. My boyfriend is a

auto mechanic and has one of those gadgets that reads the current in cars. So

what is the most someone like myself should put through the body on a daily

basis. Again not talking about anything in particular (although I am HIV+ but

not symptomatic at all, health is real good right now.)

MW

Re: protocol ?? for non-healing wound on

a diabetic?

no! No! No!

Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

cloth, always.

One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body and

applying very low voltage, figuring it was " safe " . It wasn't. Even

a AAA battery used that way can conceivably kill you, since the

resistance drops way down without the skin and the clot to provide

some resistance and limit the current.

Just use it on skin, not on raw wounds!!! Please? OK!

bG

> >

> > " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> > This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

> ozone.

> > But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

> treatment to

> > try.

> > Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> > ivan in SF bay area

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On 12/30/2005 3:59:23 PM, d.a. (polo@...) wrote:

> How do you explain the use of acupuncture needles that are electrified

> with low power electricity---a very common procedure? If it is so deadly,

> why is this practice so prevalent and apparently safe?

>

> doug

>

Excellent question!

I recall having tha done some years ago!

Chuck

He's dead, Jim. You take his phaser, I'll get his wallet.

[Guest guest]

How do you explain the use of acupuncture needles that are electrified with low

power electricity---a very common procedure? If it is so deadly, why is this

practice so prevalent and apparently safe?

doug

Re: protocol ?? for non-healing wound on

a diabetic?

no! No! No!

Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

cloth, always.

One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body bG

[Guest guest]

How do you explain the use of acupuncture needles that are electrified with low

power electricity---a very common procedure? If it is so deadly, why is this

practice so prevalent and apparently safe?

doug

Re: protocol ?? for non-healing wound on

a diabetic?

no! No! No!

Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

cloth, always.

One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body bG

[Guest guest]

thanks for the input. Now my question would be where the placement would be to

heal the wound. Would it be above or below the wound? could you use acupresure

points? etc etc etc

baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote: no! No! No!

Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

cloth, always.

One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body and

applying very low voltage, figuring it was " safe " . It wasn't. Even

a AAA battery used that way can conceivably kill you, since the

resistance drops way down without the skin and the clot to provide

some resistance and limit the current.

Just use it on skin, not on raw wounds!!! Please? OK!

bG

> >

> > " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> > This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

> ozone.

> > But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

> treatment to

> > try.

> > Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> > ivan in SF bay area

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

thanks for the input. Now my question would be where the placement would be to

heal the wound. Would it be above or below the wound? could you use acupresure

points? etc etc etc

baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote: no! No! No!

Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

cloth, always.

One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body and

applying very low voltage, figuring it was " safe " . It wasn't. Even

a AAA battery used that way can conceivably kill you, since the

resistance drops way down without the skin and the clot to provide

some resistance and limit the current.

Just use it on skin, not on raw wounds!!! Please? OK!

bG

> >

> > " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> > This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

> ozone.

> > But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

> treatment to

> > try.

> > Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> > ivan in SF bay area

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi d.a.,

The power is very low on accupuncture needles. What we use here with batteries

is much higher and not safe for the needles.

Take care,

V

> How do you explain the use of acupuncture needles that are electrified

> with low power electricity---a very common procedure? If it is so

> deadly, why is this practice so prevalent and apparently safe?

> doug

> Re: protocol ?? for non-healing wound

on a diabetic?

> no! No! No!

> Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

> Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

> cloth, always.

> One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body bG

>

[Guest guest]

Hi mw,

I think most peopel colud probaly not stand more than 1 ma on a continuos basis.

I have to turn it down to .75 ma after about 30 minutes to continue it for two

hours. Diffrent people have diffrent skin so there is no one set number. It

depends on your individual case and you can only find that out by doing it and

monitoring your skin visually to see how it handles it. You must monitor it

visually because you wont feel it when it burns. Some people can only handle .5

or less continuously.

Take care,

V

> For someone who wanted to use the electrodes on a daily basis (like 20

> minutes a day) what is the highest CURRENT the monitor should read. My

> boyfriend is a auto mechanic and has one of those gadgets that reads the

> current in cars. So what is the most someone like myself should put

> through the body on a daily basis. Again not talking about anything in

> particular (although I am HIV+ but not symptomatic at all, health is real

good right now.)

> MW

> Re: protocol ?? for non-healing wound

on a diabetic?

> no! No! No!

> Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

> Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

> cloth, always.

> One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body and

> applying very low voltage, figuring it was " safe " . It wasn't. Even

> a AAA battery used that way can conceivably kill you, since the

> resistance drops way down without the skin and the clot to provide

> some resistance and limit the current.

> Just use it on skin, not on raw wounds!!! Please? OK!

> bG

>

> > >

> > > " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> > > This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

> > ozone.

> > > But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

> > treatment to

> > > try.

> > > Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> > > ivan in SF bay area

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

...I'd stick to around the .2mA-.4mA range if used on arteries. Use

wrists one day, and ankles the next. pulse point on ankle is on

inside between achilles and ankle-bone.

this will treat the bloodstream to rid it of hiv on a regular basis.

however, the HIV seems to live in other areas of the body, mainly, so

that will help you keep fit and healthy overall, but not terribly

reduce the infection of HIV.

To do that, it's necessary to apply it to areas where HIV lives in

greatest numbers. That would probably be the thymus, spleen,

intestines and possibly the largest lymph nodes.

It's not going to be that difficult to apply this way. But, doing

so, would mean almost complete freedom from HIV forever, and possibly

complete if faithfully executed. The key is being consistent and

regular with the timing of applications.

For example, 10 minutes in the am, 10 in the pm would be better than

20 minutes in one session. It's a bit more trouble, but considering

you can also make a wrist bracelet type thing (see our photos

section) and wear it 10 minutes anytime, your job is easier for the

bloodstream part of it.

The vest type usage can be a bit longer but should only be needed for

a few months to utterly reduce the stuff everywhere.

Beware of using this for too little time. Once you start, the best

idea is to continue for at least 4 months.

And don't overuse it to where the skin is sore. HIV is slow and

steady project. Set this up so it's an easy habit to keep. I'd

really like to see some help here in designing the vest. It would be

any old goodwill plastic or nylon vest with some electrodes sewn

inside over the key parts I mentioned, and would be worn under a

spandex top to hold it firmly in place. If that could be built, a

prototype so to speak, it would help me to advance this to cover all

people with HIV, whether quiet or full-blown AIDS. It's unecessary,

in my opinion, to die from this! But it depends on ethical people to

pitch in, I can't do it all alone.

bG

> > >

> > > " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> > > This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk

about

> > ozone.

> > > But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

> > treatment to

> > > try.

> > > Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> > > ivan in SF bay area

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi mw,

Alos it depends on the size of the electrodes you are using. the current varies

with that too.

Take care,

V

> For someone who wanted to use the electrodes on a daily basis (like 20

> minutes a day) what is the highest CURRENT the monitor should read. My

> boyfriend is a auto mechanic and has one of those gadgets that reads the

> current in cars. So what is the most someone like myself should put

> through the body on a daily basis. Again not talking about anything in

> particular (although I am HIV+ but not symptomatic at all, health is real

good right now.)

> MW

>

[Guest guest]

Testers for automobiles read in amps. We are using milliamps and microamps.

(1/1,000th and 1/1,000,000th of an amp) His testers probably would not read

down low enough. You can get a tester suitable for measuring the current at

Radio Shack or other electronics stores. Sometimes less than $5. Mostly we

are using less than .5mA (milliamp) or 500uA (microamp). That's the same

current on a different scale.

Correct me if I am wrong, Bob.

Dick

Re: protocol ?? for non-healing

> wound on a diabetic?

>

>

> no! No! No!

>

> Never put electrodes on broken skin. They are transdermal only.

> Never use bare metal electrodes, either, they should be wrapped with

> cloth, always.

>

> One fellow killed himself sticking needles into the body and

> applying very low voltage, figuring it was " safe " . It wasn't. Even

> a AAA battery used that way can conceivably kill you, since the

> resistance drops way down without the skin and the clot to provide

> some resistance and limit the current.

>

> Just use it on skin, not on raw wounds!!! Please? OK!

> bG

>

>

> > >

> > > " " protocol ?? for non-healing wound on a diabetic? " "

> > > This came up on the oxyplus list and naturally they talk about

> > ozone.

> > > But shouldn't godzila also work ?? and if so what would be a

> > treatment to

> > > try.

> > > Thanks for to all you wonderful people for being there.

> > > ivan in SF bay area

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

a tight-fitting nylon muscle shirt will do the job, no spandex is

needed. The nylon assures no current bleeds away through the cloth.

Pads would be attached over the affected HIV areas.

I will try this weekend to work up a simple prototype for you all.

bG

>

>> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of

> > Godzilla devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech

> forum,

> > not medical advice. All info is free to members. Membership

is

> > free, but by joing, you agree to hold harmless the posters,

> > including moderator, from damages from anything you find here

> > whether jointly, severally, or individually. We are interested

> in

> > your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or

> > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your

> > understanding, good luck researching. --bG

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

a tight-fitting nylon muscle shirt will do the job, no spandex is

needed. The nylon assures no current bleeds away through the cloth.

Pads would be attached over the affected HIV areas.

I will try this weekend to work up a simple prototype for you all.

bG

>

>> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of

> > Godzilla devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech

> forum,

> > not medical advice. All info is free to members. Membership

is

> > free, but by joing, you agree to hold harmless the posters,

> > including moderator, from damages from anything you find here

> > whether jointly, severally, or individually. We are interested

> in

> > your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or

> > whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your

> > understanding, good luck researching. --bG

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >