Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 I found a switch called a " knife switch " at Radio Shack for $1.99 here in Hawaii. The only thing you'll need besides it are two pieces of wire (no more than 3 " each) which will be used on the underside of the switch for reversing the polarity by flipping the switch, here the polarity of the pads are changed without having to manually change the alligator clips on the battery. ________________________________ om: Dick Rochon <rrochon13@...> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:59:20 AM Subject: Re: HIVE Study Bob, Another way would be to just change the connections on the battery. Alligator clips make this an easy job. The clips do not have to be soldered on. Some have screws, others have clamps, or you can just wrap them securely. Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 > that was the first switch I used in the original godzilla I built over 8 years ago. You need a double pole, double throw knife switch. wire across the corners like an " x " . attach the top two posts to the battery, and the middle two go to the wires to the electrodes (sponges). It will give some spike, but is a little easier than a click type switch. to make really deluxe, add a 10k linear potentiometer in one of the battery leads, just cut the lead, add the pot. the center post of the pot goes to one end of the cut wire, and one of the outer posts goes to the other (does not matter which one). Then you can simply turn down the pot, flip knife switch, raise up the pot again. A " pot " means a variable resistor. It is used to increase or decrease the power the unit sends out. Use only a 6 volt battery for this, nothing higher, and nothing that plugs into the wall!! bG > I found a switch called a " knife switch " at Radio Shack for $1.99 here in Hawaii. The only thing you'll need besides it are two pieces of wire (no more than 3 " each) which will be used on the underside of the switch for reversing the polarity by flipping the switch, here the polarity of the pads are changed without having to manually change the alligator clips on the battery. > > > > > ________________________________ > om: Dick Rochon <rrochon13@...> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:59:20 AM > Subject: Re: HIVE Study > > > > Bob, > > Another way would be to just change the connections on the battery. Alligator clips make this an easy job. The clips do not have to be soldered on. Some have screws, others have clamps, or you can just wrap them securely. > > Dick > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 note, in practice the pot is optional, but you should try it both ways if you can. 6 volts is pretty mild usually with sponges, so the spike should be tolerable. you could also lift one pad, switch and gently put it down again....all spike control methods. bG > > > that was the first switch I used in the original godzilla I built > over 8 years ago. > > You need a double pole, double throw knife switch. > > wire across the corners like an " x " . attach the top two posts to > the battery, and the middle two go to the wires to the electrodes > (sponges). It will give some spike, but is a little easier than a > click type switch. > > to make really deluxe, add a 10k linear potentiometer in one of the > battery leads, just cut the lead, add the pot. the center post of > the pot goes to one end of the cut wire, and one of the outer posts > goes to the other (does not matter which one). > > Then you can simply turn down the pot, flip knife switch, raise up > the pot again. A " pot " means a variable resistor. It is used to > increase or decrease the power the unit sends out. Use only a 6 volt > battery for this, nothing higher, and nothing that plugs into the > wall!! > bG > > > > I found a switch called a " knife switch " at Radio Shack for $1.99 > here in Hawaii. The only thing you'll need besides it are two pieces > of wire (no more than 3 " each) which will be used on the underside of > the switch for reversing the polarity by flipping the switch, here > the polarity of the pads are changed without having to manually > change the alligator clips on the battery. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > om: Dick Rochon <rrochon13@> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:59:20 AM > > Subject: Re: HIVE Study > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > Another way would be to just change the connections on the battery. > Alligator clips make this an easy job. The clips do not have to be > soldered on. Some have screws, others have clamps, or you can just > wrap them securely. > > > > Dick > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Hey bG, did you ever have a chance to try my bridgemethod? One pot, NO switch, No spike, but you do need 2 each 6 volt batteries. I still use it and likethe ability to select the current I want (I monitorthat as a voltage across a 1 K safety resistor inseries with the lead to one electrode.) Was shown here around a year ago. (absolutely NO spike because as you rotatethe pot from the + side to the - side you go through zero at the pot center (linear pot)But using the DPDT knife switch or an ON-OFF-ONtoggle switch, if you pause for 2 or 3 seconds in theOFF state, 'seems to me that the stored tissue charge has a chance to leak off greatly reducingthe momentary current increase--sensed as a " spike " (A transient analysis shows that the circuit voltage isapproximately doubled when the switching takes place before the skin tissue's stored charge has a chance to decline.) In most areas of the body theelectrode effectively sees a resistance in parallel with a significant capacitance. From: baby_grand <no_reply > Subject: Re: HIVE Study Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:09 AM note, in practice the pot is optional, but you should try it both ways if you can. 6 volts is pretty mild usually with sponges, so the spike should be tolerable. you could also lift one pad, switch and gently put it down again....all spike control methods. bG > > > that was the first switch I used in the original godzilla I built > over 8 years ago. > > You need a double pole, double throw knife switch. > > wire across the corners like an " x " . attach the top two posts to > the battery, and the middle two go to the wires to the electrodes > (sponges). It will give some spike, but is a little easier than a > click type switch. > > to make really deluxe, add a 10k linear potentiometer in one of the > battery leads, just cut the lead, add the pot. the center post of > the pot goes to one end of the cut wire, and one of the outer posts > goes to the other (does not matter which one). > > Then you can simply turn down the pot, flip knife switch, raise up > the pot again. A " pot " means a variable resistor. It is used to > increase or decrease the power the unit sends out. Use only a 6 volt > battery for this, nothing higher, and nothing that plugs into the > wall!! > bG > > > > I found a switch called a " knife switch " at Radio Shack for $1.99 > here in Hawaii. The only thing you'll need besides it are two pieces > of wire (no more than 3 " each) which will be used on the underside of > the switch for reversing the polarity by flipping the switch, here > the polarity of the pads are changed without having to manually > change the alligator clips on the battery. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > om: Dick Rochon <rrochon13@> > > microelectricityger mkiller@gro ups.com > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:59:20 AM > > Subject: Re: HIVE Study > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > Another way would be to just change the connections on the battery. > Alligator clips make this an easy job. The clips do not have to be > soldered on. Some have screws, others have clamps, or you can just > wrap them securely. > > > > Dick > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 Don, hi, no didn't get a chance yet. Can you make photo/drawing (again)? Sorry this got lost in shuffle I guess. Really need a clear diagram and will build one and try it out. Electronics is the least descriptive of the Romance Languages. bG > > > > > > > that was the first switch I used in the original godzilla I built > > > over 8 years ago. > > > > > > You need a double pole, double throw knife switch. > > > > > > wire across the corners like an " x " . attach the top two posts to > > > the battery, and the middle two go to the wires to the electrodes > > > (sponges). It will give some spike, but is a little easier than a > > > click type switch. > > > > > > to make really deluxe, add a 10k linear potentiometer in one of the > > > battery leads, just cut the lead, add the pot. the center post of > > > the pot goes to one end of the cut wire, and one of the outer posts > > > goes to the other (does not matter which one). > > > > > > Then you can simply turn down the pot, flip knife switch, raise up > > > the pot again. A " pot " means a variable resistor. It is used to > > > increase or decrease the power the unit sends out. Use only a 6 > > volt > > > battery for this, nothing higher, and nothing that plugs into the > > > wall!! > > > bG > > > > > > > > > > I found a switch called a " knife switch " at Radio Shack for > > $1.99 > > > here in Hawaii. The only thing you'll need besides it are two > > pieces > > > of wire (no more than 3 " each) which will be used on the underside > > of > > > the switch for reversing the polarity by flipping the switch, here > > > the polarity of the pads are changed without having to manually > > > change the alligator clips on the battery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > om: Dick Rochon <rrochon13@> > > > > microelectricityger mkiller@gro ups.com > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:59:20 AM > > > > Subject: Re: HIVE Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > Another way would be to just change the connections on the > > battery. > > > Alligator clips make this an easy job. The clips do not have to be > > > soldered on. Some have screws, others have clamps, or you can just > > > wrap them securely. > > > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 I am a participating member of HIVE study, on the brink of putting this machine together... important question for you, how you do you quantify die-offs? Or know that die-off have occurred? Ned ________________________________ From: baby_grand <no_reply > Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:09:41 PM Subject: Re: HIVE Study note, in practice the pot is optional, but you should try it both ways if you can. 6 volts is pretty mild usually with sponges, so the spike should be tolerable. you could also lift one pad, switch and gently put it down again....all spike control methods. bG > > > that was the first switch I used in the original godzilla I built > over 8 years ago. > > You need a double pole, double throw knife switch. > > wire across the corners like an " x " . attach the top two posts to > the battery, and the middle two go to the wires to the electrodes > (sponges). It will give some spike, but is a little easier than a > click type switch. > > to make really deluxe, add a 10k linear potentiometer in one of the > battery leads, just cut the lead, add the pot. the center post of > the pot goes to one end of the cut wire, and one of the outer posts > goes to the other (does not matter which one). > > Then you can simply turn down the pot, flip knife switch, raise up > the pot again. A " pot " means a variable resistor. It is used to > increase or decrease the power the unit sends out. Use only a 6 volt > battery for this, nothing higher, and nothing that plugs into the > wall!! > bG > > > > I found a switch called a " knife switch " at Radio Shack for $1.99 > here in Hawaii. The only thing you'll need besides it are two pieces > of wire (no more than 3 " each) which will be used on the underside of > the switch for reversing the polarity by flipping the switch, here > the polarity of the pads are changed without having to manually > change the alligator clips on the battery. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > om: Dick Rochon <rrochon13@> > > microelectricityger mkiller@gro ups..com > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:59:20 AM > > Subject: Re: HIVE Study > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > Another way would be to just change the connections on the battery. > Alligator clips make this an easy job. The clips do not have to be > soldered on.. Some have screws, others have clamps, or you can just > wrap them securely. > > > > Dick > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Good question. Dieoffs are flulike symptoms: headaches, loose stools, fatigue, sicky feelings, mild fevers, congestion, etc. What is different about dieoffs is they are brief compared to the flu. You will get them even if no infections are present, due to baggage virus and other germs the electricity will run into. These are things the immune system deals with regardless whether they are dangerous or not. Friendly germs have escaped immunity. Electricity can remove some friendly germs. But they will come back when you stop for a period of time electrifying. We have not had reports of any side effects that looked like dieoffs removing too much stuff. Usually dieoffs are brief and mild. But you should not tolerate heavy dieoffs. If they occur, stop immediately and take a break of a few days to a week, then start in slowly again. If dieoffs get hard, ease off, then increase slowly again. Dieoffs in my own case happened when I'd electrify bloodstream for the first time and after a few months of not electrifying blood then resuming I'd get them again only less this time. Eventually after 5 years of electrifying blood every couple months for a few hours, I got no more dieoffs. It could be I lessened the amount, but I think it is just less viruses roaming inside my blood or whatever it is. The device with 6 volts can be quite simple, Ned, and the dieoffs can be quite large, but they can also be " none " . It will depend on what's up. I have a friend who gets a dieoff in the sinuses whenever she electrifies her ankle. She broke her ankle and facial bones while she had a sinus infection years ago. The germ got into the bones and it seems to move between the one ankle and the sinuses, in minutes! If she electrifies the ankle the sinus acts up. Then she does the sinus, and all's well. Happens every few weeks, and takes 10-20 minutes to clear everything up. She used to have surgery regularly on the ankle, but not anymore. And no more anti-biotics for the sinuses now in 4 years. Before that she took every antibiotic known to man and still the sinuses remained infected at low levels and running constantly. Now it's cleared up except when the germ comes out of the ankle and hits them again, but it's gone in literally minutes. She is ONE happy camper. And a professional of high standing in the medical community, to boot. bG > > > > > that was the first switch I used in the original godzilla I built > > over 8 years ago. > > > > You need a double pole, double throw knife switch. > > > > wire across the corners like an " x " . attach the top two posts to > > the battery, and the middle two go to the wires to the electrodes > > (sponges). It will give some spike, but is a little easier than a > > click type switch. > > > > to make really deluxe, add a 10k linear potentiometer in one of the > > battery leads, just cut the lead, add the pot. the center post of > > the pot goes to one end of the cut wire, and one of the outer posts > > goes to the other (does not matter which one). > > > > Then you can simply turn down the pot, flip knife switch, raise up > > the pot again. A " pot " means a variable resistor. It is used to > > increase or decrease the power the unit sends out. Use only a 6 > volt > > battery for this, nothing higher, and nothing that plugs into the > > wall!! > > bG > > > > > > > I found a switch called a " knife switch " at Radio Shack for > $1.99 > > here in Hawaii. The only thing you'll need besides it are two > pieces > > of wire (no more than 3 " each) which will be used on the underside > of > > the switch for reversing the polarity by flipping the switch, here > > the polarity of the pads are changed without having to manually > > change the alligator clips on the battery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > om: Dick Rochon <rrochon13@> > > > microelectricityger mkiller@gro ups..com > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:59:20 AM > > > Subject: Re: HIVE Study > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > Another way would be to just change the connections on the > battery. > > Alligator clips make this an easy job. The clips do not have to be > > soldered on.. Some have screws, others have clamps, or you can just > > wrap them securely. > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Pick up a cheap digital multi-meter from hardware store. Test it out in the store, open the plastic turn it to -->| which is symbol for " continuity " and touch the leads together. It should go to zero. Set to " volts " (like 20 volts) and test your battery. When ready to use device, test the pads for voltage, should be around 4.x-5.x or so all over the pads. I have to take another look at those photos to see if any tips for you. bG > > > > > > > that was the first switch I used in the original godzilla I built > > > over 8 years ago. > > > > > > You need a double pole, double throw knife switch. > > > > > > wire across the corners like an " x " . attach the top two posts to > > > the battery, and the middle two go to the wires to the electrodes > > > (sponges). It will give some spike, but is a little easier than a > > > click type switch. > > > > > > to make really deluxe, add a 10k linear potentiometer in one of > the > > > battery leads, just cut the lead, add the pot. the center post of > > > the pot goes to one end of the cut wire, and one of the outer > posts > > > goes to the other (does not matter which one). > > > > > > Then you can simply turn down the pot, flip knife switch, raise > up > > > the pot again. A " pot " means a variable resistor. It is used to > > > increase or decrease the power the unit sends out. Use only a 6 > > volt > > > battery for this, nothing higher, and nothing that plugs into the > > > wall!! > > > bG > > > > > > > > > > I found a switch called a " knife switch " at Radio Shack for > > $1.99 > > > here in Hawaii. The only thing you'll need besides it are two > > pieces > > > of wire (no more than 3 " each) which will be used on the > underside > > of > > > the switch for reversing the polarity by flipping the switch, > here > > > the polarity of the pads are changed without having to manually > > > change the alligator clips on the battery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > om: Dick Rochon <rrochon13@> > > > > microelectricityger mkiller@gro ups..com > > > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:59:20 AM > > > > Subject: Re: HIVE Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > Another way would be to just change the connections on the > > battery. > > > Alligator clips make this an easy job. The clips do not have to > be > > > soldered on.. Some have screws, others have clamps, or you can > just > > > wrap them securely. > > > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 My sponges never get moldy or smelly. I assumed that it was because the current killed the germs in the sponges. The mouth electrodes do get smally from the saliva, but I just boil them occasionally. They still look bad. Dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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