Re: Bob Luhrs aka Baby Grand? re big pad use

[Guest guest]

My experimentation of big pads - 100 sq " region on belly tissue is:

1. The tissue is far less conductive than wrist tissue. Result is

lots less blood near the surface and your equivalent circuit is far

different. Instead of 4.7K ohms on wrist w 1 sq " pads - it's an

undetermined amount on the order of 2K due to the much lower blood

content near the skin.

2. The capacitance values are far higher than the 0.14 uF at wrist.

3. You WILL supply a bi-directional active filter to survive a

polarity reversal. Failure to do so is irritating enough that the

3rd reversal will get you to rip it out for self defense.

4. When a filter is supplied - you can do a short across the pads

for a rapid discharge of the 2 to 3 V accumulation from that polarity

with a mild discomfort. This short needs to remain for near 6

seconds to get the charge drained to zero. If you use the full

polarity reversal voltage immediately - it's borderline tolerable

even with the filter.

5. After the 6 second delay expires and the applied voltage

completes the transition - the filter takes most of 30 seconds of

clipping the transient [in comfort] to reach a steady current.

6. Use of pads near 20 sq " MAY - not WILL - be successfully

suppressed by a big capacitor, UNPOLARIZED - on belly / back

tissues.

7. A general purpose design must allow for a wide range of belly fat

content which may need more than the 6 seconds delay for obesity -

the more obese, the less current will be left for gut penetration.

I was astounded to find the radical change this application needs to

get enough comfort to have any at all use acceptance.

Joe.

> if you attack with DC current via the big pads there might be an

> actual chance to get rid of it. UP to you.

> bG

>

>

> >

> > I read your post about the lining of the gut sequesters most of

the

> > HIV. I thought the magnetic pulser by Bob Beck was supposed to

> reach

> > that deep tissue. I have met with a Naturopath that says Ozone

will

> > not do anything and it has been tried back in the late 80's

even.

> Do

> > you suggest we take medication while doing Bob Beck? I was

hoping

> to

> > find someone who had HIV and underwent Bob Beck and was able to

> > eradicate the virus. For about a year and a half I have been

> looking

> > into alternative medicine and some forms like " Gerson Therapy "

which

> > has let to dead ends. Charlotte Gerson mentioned 2 people who

were

> > cured in one of her books but then when I got in contact with her

> she

> > recanted. Hyperthermia might have potential but is dangerous and

> > expensive. Now I realize a lot of natural treatments might not

> > actually eradicate the virus but instead maintain it like the

> > antivirals do. Unfortunately that seems to be the problem with

> people

> > using the word " cure " , they confuse cure with maintenance instead

of

> > eradication.

> >

> > I would be willing to try anything that has some substantial

> evidence

> > to eradicate the virus. I think that a suit like a divers wet

suit

> > wired with the magnetic pulser sounds like a good start. Leave

it

> on

> > for two days and see what happens?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

how about beefing up the pulser using say a 1Kw mains power Strobe with light

element as ballast and a large self wound copper coil.....the problem with

Beck pulser is it was not heavy duty enough .......but be careful not to burn

out the coil with too frequent charges ......say one per second should be ok.

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From: Joe <aubug2@...>

Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 9:20:15 AM

Subject: Re: Bob Luhrs aka Baby Grand? re big pad use

My experimentation of big pads - 100 sq " region on belly tissue is:

1. The tissue is far less conductive than wrist tissue. Result is

lots less blood near the surface and your equivalent circuit is far

different. Instead of 4.7K ohms on wrist w 1 sq " pads - it's an

undetermined amount on the order of 2K due to the much lower blood

content near the skin.

2. The capacitance values are far higher than the 0.14 uF at wrist.

3. You WILL supply a bi-directional active filter to survive a

polarity reversal. Failure to do so is irritating enough that the

3rd reversal will get you to rip it out for self defense.

4. When a filter is supplied - you can do a short across the pads

for a rapid discharge of the 2 to 3 V accumulation from that polarity

with a mild discomfort. This short needs to remain for near 6

seconds to get the charge drained to zero. If you use the full

polarity reversal voltage immediately - it's borderline tolerable

even with the filter.

5. After the 6 second delay expires and the applied voltage

completes the transition - the filter takes most of 30 seconds of

clipping the transient [in comfort] to reach a steady current.

6. Use of pads near 20 sq " MAY - not WILL - be successfully

suppressed by a big capacitor, UNPOLARIZED - on belly / back

tissues.

7. A general purpose design must allow for a wide range of belly fat

content which may need more than the 6 seconds delay for obesity -

the more obese, the less current will be left for gut penetration.

I was astounded to find the radical change this application needs to

get enough comfort to have any at all use acceptance.

Joe.

> if you attack with DC current via the big pads there might be an

> actual chance to get rid of it. UP to you.

> bG

>

>

> >

> > I read your post about the lining of the gut sequesters most of

the

> > HIV. I thought the magnetic pulser by Bob Beck was supposed to

> reach

> > that deep tissue. I have met with a Naturopath that says Ozone

will

> > not do anything and it has been tried back in the late 80's

even.

> Do

> > you suggest we take medication while doing Bob Beck? I was

hoping

> to

> > find someone who had HIV and underwent Bob Beck and was able to

> > eradicate the virus. For about a year and a half I have been

> looking

> > into alternative medicine and some forms like " Gerson Therapy "

which

> > has let to dead ends. Charlotte Gerson mentioned 2 people who

were

> > cured in one of her books but then when I got in contact with her

> she

> > recanted. Hyperthermia might have potential but is dangerous and

> > expensive. Now I realize a lot of natural treatments might not

> > actually eradicate the virus but instead maintain it like the

> > antivirals do. Unfortunately that seems to be the problem with

> people

> > using the word " cure " , they confuse cure with maintenance instead

of

> > eradication.

> >

> > I would be willing to try anything that has some substantial

> evidence

> > to eradicate the virus. I think that a suit like a divers wet

suit

> > wired with the magnetic pulser sounds like a good start. Leave

it

> on

> > for two days and see what happens?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

there's a list called magpulser that has these for sale I bought

one. Have not used it yet, saving for something like anthrax or

similar deep tissue infection. It uses 2 car batteries and is

supposed to be extremely powerful and can repeat the pulse every

second or so. there was an AC powered coil about 3 feet in diameter

that you sat inside and plugged into the mains. It supposedly

created a pulsating ac current in the body without electrical contact

with skin. that also might work. these are ambitious projects

however, and few people will mount the effort, I'd think. making and

selling them is hard as well. the simple dc solution with AA's etc

batteries, seems to offer a way under the radar without risks, and

with possible huge benefits. I can't even get people with hiv-hepc

to respond regularly to mails on this, probably a symptom of the

disease is the reluctance to deal effectively with it, which

increases the spread also. clever little virus.

bG

> > >

> > > I read your post about the lining of the gut sequesters most of

> the

> > > HIV. I thought the magnetic pulser by Bob Beck was supposed to

> > reach

> > > that deep tissue. I have met with a Naturopath that says Ozone

> will

> > > not do anything and it has been tried back in the late 80's

> even.

> > Do

> > > you suggest we take medication while doing Bob Beck? I was

> hoping

> > to

> > > find someone who had HIV and underwent Bob Beck and was able to

> > > eradicate the virus. For about a year and a half I have been

> > looking

> > > into alternative medicine and some forms like " Gerson Therapy "

> which

> > > has let to dead ends. Charlotte Gerson mentioned 2 people who

> were

> > > cured in one of her books but then when I got in contact with

her

> > she

> > > recanted. Hyperthermia might have potential but is dangerous

and

> > > expensive. Now I realize a lot of natural treatments might not

> > > actually eradicate the virus but instead maintain it like the

> > > antivirals do. Unfortunately that seems to be the problem with

> > people

> > > using the word " cure " , they confuse cure with maintenance

instead

> of

> > > eradication.

> > >

> > > I would be willing to try anything that has some substantial

> > evidence

> > > to eradicate the virus. I think that a suit like a divers wet

> suit

> > > wired with the magnetic pulser sounds like a good start. Leave

> it

> > on

> > > for two days and see what happens?

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > I read your post about the lining of the gut sequesters most of

> the

> > > HIV. I thought the magnetic pulser by Bob Beck was supposed to

> > reach

> > > that deep tissue. I have met with a Naturopath that says Ozone

> will

> > > not do anything and it has been tried back in the late 80's

> even.

> > Do

> > > you suggest we take medication while doing Bob Beck? I was

> hoping

> > to

> > > find someone who had HIV and underwent Bob Beck and was able to

> > > eradicate the virus. For about a year and a half I have been

> > looking

> > > into alternative medicine and some forms like " Gerson Therapy "

> which

> > > has let to dead ends. Charlotte Gerson mentioned 2 people who

> were

> > > cured in one of her books but then when I got in contact with

her

> > she

> > > recanted. Hyperthermia might have potential but is dangerous

and

> > > expensive. Now I realize a lot of natural treatments might not

> > > actually eradicate the virus but instead maintain it like the

> > > antivirals do. Unfortunately that seems to be the problem with

> > people

> > > using the word " cure " , they confuse cure with maintenance

instead

> of

> > > eradication.

> > >

> > > I would be willing to try anything that has some substantial

> > evidence

> > > to eradicate the virus. I think that a suit like a divers wet

> suit

> > > wired with the magnetic pulser sounds like a good start. Leave

> it

> > on

> > > for two days and see what happens?

> > >

> >

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