Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Did anyone notice the story about what made the ER doctors drop when they looked at a patient a year or so ago. It was determined she was treating herself with DMSO, and when the paramedics gave her ocygen, her boy produced a gas that is a deadly neurotoxin which she exhaled. It was either DMSO2 or DMSO4. Something like that. It would seem if one is using DMSO they must not use oxygen, peroxide or ozone at the same time. jim ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 Dear Jim, I saw the original article, and also the recent post. In opposition to this information, several doctors recommend that DMSO and hydrogen peroxide IVs be used for cancer patients, without any apparent concern about interference between the two. I am wary of the pronouncements of people in white coats when it comes to treatments they didn't learn in White Coat School. I will reserve judgment until further information is forthcoming. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh Re: DMSO warning > Did anyone notice the story about what made the ER doctors drop when > they looked at a patient a year or so ago. It was determined she was > treating herself with DMSO, and when the paramedics gave her ocygen, her > boy produced a gas that is a deadly neurotoxin which she exhaled. It was > either DMSO2 or DMSO4. Something like that. > > It would seem if one is using DMSO they must not use oxygen, peroxide or > ozone at the same time. > > jim > > > ----- > carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert > > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > http://www.entrance.to/poetry > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 Jim, I still maintain that there's something " fishy " about saying you can't use DMSO with H2O2 when that is the standard mixture for IV's, as in IV Peroxide (white bag): http://home.interpath.net/aztlan/brainrape/html/boyce_clinic_protocols.h tml To a 250 cc bag of 5% dextrose (use ringer solution if patient is diabetic) add 5 cc of sodium bicarbonate, 5 cc of magnesium chloride, 2 cc of 0.375% solution of hydrogen peroxide, 2 cc of 99% DMSO and 5 cc of lidocain Either that, or my doctor has been poisoning me for the last few years. Lana > Did anyone notice the story about what made the ER doctors drop when > they looked at a patient a year or so ago. It was determined she was > treating herself with DMSO, and when the paramedics gave her ocygen, her > boy produced a gas that is a deadly neurotoxin which she exhaled. It was > either DMSO2 or DMSO4. Something like that. > > It would seem if one is using DMSO they must not use oxygen, peroxide or > ozone at the same time. > > jim > > > ----- > carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert > > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > http://www.entrance.to/poetry > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor -------------------------~-~> > Big News - eGroups is becoming > Click here for more details: > 1/10801/0/_/507288/_/976866215/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------_ -> > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 Hi Lana, I think if the patient was applying so much DMSO that they had to be hospitalized, that obviously was too high a strength. (unless they were hospitalized for another reason?) The danger I think is definitely in higher strength mixtures, but not in your " standard " mixture. (IMHO) I note that the 250 cc bag has only 2 cc each of DMSO and H2O2 , (less than 1% solutions) and the H2O2 was not even 35% strength solution yet a 0.375% solution. I agree to use caution and avoid " normal " strength solutions when DMSO and H2O2 are taken *together*. The trick I think is in finding the correct mixture and concentration for the specific condition. Best Regards, Colin Quinney At 08:04 AM 12/15/00 -0500, Lana wrote: >Jim, >I still maintain that there's something " fishy " about saying you can't >use DMSO with H2O2 when that is the standard mixture for IV's, as in > >IV Peroxide (white bag): >http://home.interpath.net/aztlan/brainrape/html/boyce_clinic_protocols.h >tml >To a 250 cc bag of 5% dextrose (use ringer solution if patient is >diabetic) add 5 cc of sodium bicarbonate, 5 cc of magnesium chloride, 2 >cc of 0.375% solution of hydrogen peroxide, 2 cc of 99% DMSO and 5 cc of >lidocain > >Either that, or my doctor has been poisoning me for the last few years. > >Lana > > > >> Did anyone notice the story about what made the ER doctors drop when >> they looked at a patient a year or so ago. It was determined she was >> treating herself with DMSO, and when the paramedics gave her ocygen, >her >> boy produced a gas that is a deadly neurotoxin which she exhaled. It >was >> either DMSO2 or DMSO4. Something like that. >> >> It would seem if one is using DMSO they must not use oxygen, peroxide >or >> ozone at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 Dear Lana: The link you posted below is broken...I got a 404 error. Any other suggestions? Dr. Bormann ************* zozu wrote: > Jim, > I still maintain that there's something " fishy " about saying you can't > use DMSO with H2O2 when that is the standard mixture for IV's, as in > > IV Peroxide (white bag): > http://home.interpath.net/aztlan/brainrape/html/boyce_clinic_protocols.h > tml > To a 250 cc bag of 5% dextrose (use ringer solution if patient is > diabetic) add 5 cc of sodium bicarbonate, 5 cc of magnesium chloride, 2 > cc of 0.375% solution of hydrogen peroxide, 2 cc of 99% DMSO and 5 cc of > lidocain > > Either that, or my doctor has been poisoning me for the last few years. > > Lana > > > Did anyone notice the story about what made the ER doctors drop when > > they looked at a patient a year or so ago. It was determined she was > > treating herself with DMSO, and when the paramedics gave her ocygen, > her > > boy produced a gas that is a deadly neurotoxin which she exhaled. It > was > > either DMSO2 or DMSO4. Something like that. > > > > It would seem if one is using DMSO they must not use oxygen, peroxide > or > > ozone at the same time. > > > > jim > > > > > > ----- > > carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert > > > > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > > http://www.entrance.to/poetry > > > > -------------------------- eGroups > Sponsor -------------------------~-~> > > Big News - eGroups is becoming > > Click here for more details: > > 1/10801/0/_/507288/_/976866215/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------_ > -> > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and > other alternative self-help subjects. > > > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you > do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, > and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining > the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do > not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, > unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY > of the message! : > > > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 You'll notice the link line is wrapped. If you complete the line in your browser so that it ends in .html the site will come up fine. Chuck When you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend ! On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:17:16 -0800, " Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.P. " <drcnb@...> wrote: >Dear Lana: > >The link you posted below is broken...I got a 404 error. Any other >suggestions? > >Dr. Bormann >************* > >zozu wrote: > >> Jim, >> I still maintain that there's something " fishy " about saying you can't >> use DMSO with H2O2 when that is the standard mixture for IV's, as in >> >> IV Peroxide (white bag): >> http://home.interpath.net/aztlan/brainrape/html/boyce_clinic_protocols.h >> tml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2000 Report Share Posted December 16, 2000 In a message dated 12/16/00 8:05:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlambert@... writes: << But, since DMSO & either H2O2 or ozone are regularly used together, then it seems unlikely to me that the simple combination of the two is the culprit, if they are even involved at all. >> Jim, I am somewhat reassured by your post. I was a bit uneasy aboaut all these posts as I take MSM, colloidal sulfur and frequently use H202. So I need to stop the sulfur products? Am I gassing myself? Lash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2000 Report Share Posted December 16, 2000 This is the way I received this message. Can anyone forward the email and website for me? Thanks, Christel This happens often, does anyone else have this problem? The Finchley Clinic (North London) :- Cutting edge healing for the new millennium Tel : +44(0)20 8349 4730 Visit our Web Site Email Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2000 Report Share Posted December 16, 2000 In a message dated 12/16/2000 11:44:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, pearl@... writes: << http://www.thefinchleyclinic.co.uk >> Thank you so very much , Christel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2000 Report Share Posted December 16, 2000 Colin, I'm not certain this principle applies. In the medical case that was mentioned in the article the woman who died had a heart attack. I don't recall what she had been treating herself with DMSO for but, according to the medicos quoted in the article, it was simply the oxygen administered by the paramedics that caused the problem that felled the ER staff. So, it is possible the woman had been overusing DMSO, but the oxygen applied was minimal. Since DMSO is regularly used with H2O2 & ozone by alternative practitioners, one would think that they would have heard of the problem if the chemistry were this simple. The odds almost ensure it. To a lay person such as myself, it sounded plausible, but only because I have had no experience using both modalities together. So, I posted it, preferring to err on the side of caution. But, since DMSO & either H2O2 or ozone are regularly used together, then it seems unlikely to me that the simple combination of the two is the culprit, if they are even involved at all. Then, there is one more possibility. While conspiracies do exist, I am not one to easily indulge them. Human greed, self-interest & stupidity are usually more plausible, IMO, than conspiracy. But, there is the possibility that the minds that came up with the hypothesis that DMSO & O2 produce neurotoxic gases were prejudiced against the " alternative " use of DMSO. That prejudice might almost be a given. In such an environment, it might be easy for them to hypothesize against the unknowns. Don't forget that the orthodox medical comunity is attempting to explain what for them is a one-time occurrence with a hypothesis. They didn't test it on animals or people. Simply put, it is a WAG. They were wild-ass guessing. jim Colin Quinney wrote: > > Hi Lana, > > I think if the patient was applying so much DMSO that they had to be > hospitalized, that obviously was too high a strength. (unless they were > hospitalized for another reason?) > > The danger I think is definitely in higher strength mixtures, > Best Regards, > Colin Quinney ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2000 Report Share Posted December 16, 2000 >>it was simply the oxygen administered by the paramedics that caused the problem that felled the ER staff Any idea how this would happen? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2000 Report Share Posted December 16, 2000 LAsh, I am not the expert, but it seems to me that while a few people have a problem with sulpur, most don't. And, the DMSO + O2 scare was just that. Further, I seemed to glean that a problem with sulphur may have something to do with amalgam metals, since said his info came from an amalgam list. One of the things this list is, IMO, is an information exchange. Questions such as these are tossed around by practitioners & the rest of us. I don't like to make suggestions for others to follow with as little experience as I have on these issues, but I am not concerned about them any more. Personally, of late, I feel life is a gas, but that is the only gassing I am getting. jim LASHLIN@... wrote: > Jim, > I am somewhat reassured by your post. I was a bit uneasy aboaut all > these posts as I take MSM, colloidal sulfur and frequently use H202. > So I need to stop the sulfur products? Am I gassing myself? > Lash > ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2000 Report Share Posted December 16, 2000 Hi Christel, Here is the website: http://www.thefinchleyclinic.co.uk The email is under " contact us " on this same website. I am looking forward to take to this London clinic the best of friends who has a neurological disorder since taking the allophatic antibiotics against TB. I wish we could go tomorrow. Best, Núria > This is the way I received this message. Can anyone forward the email and > website for me? > Thanks, Christel > This happens often, does anyone else have this problem? > > The Finchley Clinic (North London) :- > Cutting edge healing for the new millennium > Tel : +44(0)20 8349 4730 > > Visit our Web Site > Email > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2000 Report Share Posted December 16, 2000 Yes, dear Jim and most of us do have a heavy metal burden due to mercury amalgams in the mouth. So it could apply to many of us is my opinion. Gas I really like to express myself Jim Lambert wrote: > LAsh, > > I am not the expert, but it seems to me that while a few people have a > problem with sulpur, most don't. And, the DMSO + O2 scare was just that. > Further, I seemed to glean that a problem with sulphur may have > something to do with amalgam metals, since said his info came from > an amalgam list. > > One of the things this list is, IMO, is an information exchange. > Questions such as these are tossed around by practitioners & the rest of > us. I don't like to make suggestions for others to follow with as little > experience as I have on these issues, but I am not concerned about them > any more. > > Personally, of late, I feel life is a gas, but that is the only gassing > I am getting. > > jim > > LASHLIN@... wrote: > > Jim, > > I am somewhat reassured by your post. I was a bit uneasy aboaut all > > these posts as I take MSM, colloidal sulfur and frequently use H202. > > So I need to stop the sulfur products? Am I gassing myself? > > Lash > > > ----- > carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert > > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > http://www.entrance.to/poetry > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2000 Report Share Posted December 22, 2000 Hi Jim, I love the acronym WAG. Wild Ass Guessing :-)) Again, my aplologies for late response. I thought I'd lost some Emails until just this last hour. Perhaps I err too much on the side of caution also. Several years ago, I once used DMSO on a painful whiplash, at 99% strength from a roller applicator. Wow. Talk about fast-acting. The pain relief started taking effect within a few seconds. So I thought, ok, if a little is good, lots must be better. (Right? (not) I continued applying the liquid to my neck for at least 60 seconds, until ALL the pain went away. Amazing stuff! Six months later however, my neck still " hurt-itched " . Not from the whiplash, but from too concentrated and too much administration of DMSO onto one small area of my skin. On later purchasing and reading a book on DMSO I came to realize that I had incurred a " drying out " in the cellular material in that one spot. It was this local cellular " dehydration " that caused the continuous " itching " that went on for months on end. Also-- for two days, my family kept asking me to move into a motel.. They even refused to travel in the car with me [with all the windows open!]. They preferred to walk to the store for their snacks. So-- I'm very cautious with it today-- that's all. <g> The next time that I have whiplash pain, I'd still use the DMSO because it " cured " the whiplash damage immediately.. but I will apply less-- and not too concentrated, and I may also mix a local anasthetic into it for the immediate pain relief instead of relying *only* on the DMSO for the pain reduction effects. Moderation in all things I guess should be my moto. Hard to live up-to when in pain :-) Thanks, Jim. Best Regards, Colin Quinney Re: Re: DMSO warning > Colin, > > I'm not certain this principle applies. In the medical case that was > mentioned in the article the woman who died had a heart attack. I don't > recall what she had been treating herself with DMSO for but, according > to the medicos quoted in the article, it was simply the oxygen > administered by the paramedics that caused the problem that felled the > ER staff. So, it is possible the woman had been overusing DMSO, but the > oxygen applied was minimal. Since DMSO is regularly used with H2O2 & > ozone by alternative practitioners, one would think that they would have > heard of the problem if the chemistry were this simple. The odds almost > ensure it. > > To a lay person such as myself, it sounded plausible, but only because I > have had no experience using both modalities together. So, I posted it, > preferring to err on the side of caution. But, since DMSO & either H2O2 > or ozone are regularly used together, then it seems unlikely to me that > the simple combination of the two is the culprit, if they are even > involved at all. > > Then, there is one more possibility. While conspiracies do exist, I am > not one to easily indulge them. Human greed, self-interest & stupidity > are usually more plausible, IMO, than conspiracy. But, there is the > possibility that the minds that came up with the hypothesis that DMSO & > O2 produce neurotoxic gases were prejudiced against the " alternative " > use of DMSO. That prejudice might almost be a given. > > In such an environment, it might be easy for them to hypothesize against > the unknowns. Don't forget that the orthodox medical comunity is > attempting to explain what for them is a one-time occurrence with a > hypothesis. They didn't test it on animals or people. Simply put, it is > a WAG. They were wild-ass guessing. > > jim > > Colin Quinney wrote: > > > > Hi Lana, > > > > I think if the patient was applying so much DMSO that they had to be > > hospitalized, that obviously was too high a strength. (unless they were > > hospitalized for another reason?) > > > > The danger I think is definitely in higher strength mixtures, > Best Regards, > > Colin Quinney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2000 Report Share Posted December 22, 2000 Dear Colin, Be VERY careful what you mix with DMSO, because it will be carried right to the bone. Fresh aloe vera gel cut right from a plant is ok, because we have seen it used over a period of years for bone cancer with only good effects. Beyond that, be very careful. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh Re: Re: DMSO warning > > > > Colin, > > > > I'm not certain this principle applies. In the medical case that was > > mentioned in the article the woman who died had a heart attack. I don't > > recall what she had been treating herself with DMSO for but, according > > to the medicos quoted in the article, it was simply the oxygen > > administered by the paramedics that caused the problem that felled the > > ER staff. So, it is possible the woman had been overusing DMSO, but the > > oxygen applied was minimal. Since DMSO is regularly used with H2O2 & > > ozone by alternative practitioners, one would think that they would have > > heard of the problem if the chemistry were this simple. The odds almost > > ensure it. > > > > To a lay person such as myself, it sounded plausible, but only because I > > have had no experience using both modalities together. So, I posted it, > > preferring to err on the side of caution. But, since DMSO & either H2O2 > > or ozone are regularly used together, then it seems unlikely to me that > > the simple combination of the two is the culprit, if they are even > > involved at all. > > > > Then, there is one more possibility. While conspiracies do exist, I am > > not one to easily indulge them. Human greed, self-interest & stupidity > > are usually more plausible, IMO, than conspiracy. But, there is the > > possibility that the minds that came up with the hypothesis that DMSO & > > O2 produce neurotoxic gases were prejudiced against the " alternative " > > use of DMSO. That prejudice might almost be a given. > > > > In such an environment, it might be easy for them to hypothesize against > > the unknowns. Don't forget that the orthodox medical comunity is > > attempting to explain what for them is a one-time occurrence with a > > hypothesis. They didn't test it on animals or people. Simply put, it is > > a WAG. They were wild-ass guessing. > > > > jim > > > > Colin Quinney wrote: > > > > > > Hi Lana, > > > > > > I think if the patient was applying so much DMSO that they had to be > > > hospitalized, that obviously was too high a strength. (unless they were > > > hospitalized for another reason?) > > > > > > The danger I think is definitely in higher strength mixtures, > Best > Regards, > > > Colin Quinney > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2000 Report Share Posted December 23, 2000 Hi Saul, Thank you very much for this warning. I greatly appreciate this. I still have a few questions Is fresh aloe vera (mixed with DMSO) also good for the peripheral nerves (and it's pain relief)? What other substances are safe to mix with it? i.e; Yesterday I read of one person's successful experience in mixing and administering DMSO with water soluble vitamins. My wife may have a shortage of B vitamins near the PN, so this seems like a serious route to consider. TIA, Best Regards, Colin Quinney Re: Re: DMSO warning > > > > > > > Colin, > > > > > > I'm not certain this principle applies. In the medical case that was > > > mentioned in the article the woman who died had a heart attack. I don't > > > recall what she had been treating herself with DMSO for but, according > > > to the medicos quoted in the article, it was simply the oxygen > > > administered by the paramedics that caused the problem that felled the > > > ER staff. So, it is possible the woman had been overusing DMSO, but the > > > oxygen applied was minimal. Since DMSO is regularly used with H2O2 & > > > ozone by alternative practitioners, one would think that they would have > > > heard of the problem if the chemistry were this simple. The odds almost > > > ensure it. > > > > > > To a lay person such as myself, it sounded plausible, but only because I > > > have had no experience using both modalities together. So, I posted it, > > > preferring to err on the side of caution. But, since DMSO & either H2O2 > > > or ozone are regularly used together, then it seems unlikely to me that > > > the simple combination of the two is the culprit, if they are even > > > involved at all. > > > > > > Then, there is one more possibility. While conspiracies do exist, I am > > > not one to easily indulge them. Human greed, self-interest & stupidity > > > are usually more plausible, IMO, than conspiracy. But, there is the > > > possibility that the minds that came up with the hypothesis that DMSO & > > > O2 produce neurotoxic gases were prejudiced against the " alternative " > > > use of DMSO. That prejudice might almost be a given. > > > > > > In such an environment, it might be easy for them to hypothesize against > > > the unknowns. Don't forget that the orthodox medical comunity is > > > attempting to explain what for them is a one-time occurrence with a > > > hypothesis. They didn't test it on animals or people. Simply put, it is > > > a WAG. They were wild-ass guessing. > > > > > > jim > > > > > > Colin Quinney wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Lana, > > > > > > > > I think if the patient was applying so much DMSO that they had to be > > > > hospitalized, that obviously was too high a strength. (unless they > were > > > > hospitalized for another reason?) > > > > > > > > The danger I think is definitely in higher strength mixtures, > Best > > Regards, > > > > Colin Quinney > > > > > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and > other alternative self-help subjects. > > > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here > are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing > information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your > own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to > take responsibility for your own actions. 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Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Yes it is a SOLVENT -------------- Original message -------------- From: baby_grand <no_reply > This stuff penetrates the body and carries along with it almost anything you mix with it. Don't put anything into it that you would not want in your whole body. Like drugs, alcohol, tobacco, herbs, toxins of various kinds. They will all go everywhere in the body if you use DMSO with them. There was a Mafia hit man named Kuklinski who used DMSO along with cyanide that killed people in about a minute when sprayed on their skin. I don't want a whole thread here on DMSO, just this brief but serious warning about it. bG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 On 5/15/2008, " baby_grand " wrote: > This stuff penetrates the body and carries along with it almost > anything you mix with it. Well, you should clarify 'almost anything'... > Don't put anything into it that you would not want in your whole > body. Like drugs, alcohol, tobacco, herbs, toxins of various kinds. > They will all go everywhere in the body if you use DMSO with them. Generally this is good advice, but... It is actually only limited to substances that are under 1000 daltons in molecular weight, so larger molecules - like insulin, and most hormones - will not be carried with it. Yes, one should be careful, but it isn't quite as bad as it might seem... I'd like to find a good site that would tell you the molecular weights of different substances/molecules, but haven't been able to find one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 ...see if you can find anything in the following link that will help you in your quest for molecular weights of different substances/molecules. http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/F/FallTerm.html .............................................................. > > This stuff penetrates the body and carries along with it almost > > anything you mix with it. > > Well, you should clarify 'almost anything'... > > > Don't put anything into it that you would not want in your whole > > body. Like drugs, alcohol, tobacco, herbs, toxins of various kinds. > > They will all go everywhere in the body if you use DMSO with them. > > Generally this is good advice, but... > > It is actually only limited to substances that are under 1000 daltons in > molecular weight, so larger molecules - like insulin, and most hormones > - will not be carried with it. Yes, one should be careful, but it isn't > quite as bad as it might seem... > > I'd like to find a good site that would tell you the molecular weights > of different substances/molecules, but haven't been able to find one. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 http://www.lenntech.com/calculators/molecular-weight-calculator.htm http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/source/m/o/molecular%20weight/source.html Not so easy - I used to have a good one from the DMSO list but looks as if it is long gone. The above might be some use. Rowena It is actually only limited to substances that are under 1000 daltons in molecular weight, so larger molecules - like insulin, and most hormones - will not be carried with it. Yes, one should be careful, but it isn't quite as bad as it might seem... I'd like to find a good site that would tell you the molecular weights of different substances/molecules, but haven't been able to find one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 When applying DMSO make sure you do not have on nail polish...it drives it into the system. Now...that's what I've been told. I do know that when I first used it I had nail polish on my nails and it removed it. > > http://www.lenntech.com/calculators/molecular-weight-calculator.htm > http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/source/m/o/molecular%20weight/source.html > > Not so easy - I used to have a good one from the DMSO list but looks as if it is long gone. The above might be some use. > Rowena > > It is actually only limited to substances that are under 1000 daltons in > molecular weight, so larger molecules - like insulin, and most hormones > - will not be carried with it. Yes, one should be careful, but it isn't > quite as bad as it might seem... > > I'd like to find a good site that would tell you the molecular weights > of different substances/molecules, but haven't been able to find one. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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