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Did anyone notice the story about what made the ER doctors drop when

they looked at a patient a year or so ago. It was determined she was

treating herself with DMSO, and when the paramedics gave her ocygen, her

boy produced a gas that is a deadly neurotoxin which she exhaled. It was

either DMSO2 or DMSO4. Something like that.

It would seem if one is using DMSO they must not use oxygen, peroxide or

ozone at the same time.

jim :)

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Dear Jim,

I saw the original article, and also the recent post.

In opposition to this information, several doctors recommend that

DMSO and hydrogen peroxide IVs be used for cancer patients, without any

apparent concern about interference between the two.

I am wary of the pronouncements of people in white coats when it comes

to treatments they didn't learn in White Coat School. I will reserve

judgment

until further information is forthcoming.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

Re: DMSO warning

> Did anyone notice the story about what made the ER doctors drop when

> they looked at a patient a year or so ago. It was determined she was

> treating herself with DMSO, and when the paramedics gave her ocygen, her

> boy produced a gas that is a deadly neurotoxin which she exhaled. It was

> either DMSO2 or DMSO4. Something like that.

>

> It would seem if one is using DMSO they must not use oxygen, peroxide or

> ozone at the same time.

>

> jim :)

>

>

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Jim,

I still maintain that there's something " fishy " about saying you can't

use DMSO with H2O2 when that is the standard mixture for IV's, as in

IV Peroxide (white bag):

http://home.interpath.net/aztlan/brainrape/html/boyce_clinic_protocols.h

tml

To a 250 cc bag of 5% dextrose (use ringer solution if patient is

diabetic) add 5 cc of sodium bicarbonate, 5 cc of magnesium chloride, 2

cc of 0.375% solution of hydrogen peroxide, 2 cc of 99% DMSO and 5 cc of

lidocain

Either that, or my doctor has been poisoning me for the last few years.

Lana

> Did anyone notice the story about what made the ER doctors drop when

> they looked at a patient a year or so ago. It was determined she was

> treating herself with DMSO, and when the paramedics gave her ocygen,

her

> boy produced a gas that is a deadly neurotoxin which she exhaled. It

was

> either DMSO2 or DMSO4. Something like that.

>

> It would seem if one is using DMSO they must not use oxygen, peroxide

or

> ozone at the same time.

>

> jim :)

>

>

> -----

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Hi Lana,

I think if the patient was applying so much DMSO that they had to be

hospitalized, that obviously was too high a strength. (unless they were

hospitalized for another reason?)

The danger I think is definitely in higher strength mixtures, but not in

your " standard " mixture. (IMHO) I note that the 250 cc bag has only 2 cc

each of DMSO and H2O2 , (less than 1% solutions) and the H2O2 was not even

35% strength solution yet a 0.375% solution.

I agree to use caution and avoid " normal " strength solutions when DMSO and

H2O2 are taken *together*. The trick I think is in finding the correct

mixture and concentration for the specific condition. :)

Best Regards,

Colin Quinney

At 08:04 AM 12/15/00 -0500, Lana wrote:

>Jim,

>I still maintain that there's something " fishy " about saying you can't

>use DMSO with H2O2 when that is the standard mixture for IV's, as in

>

>IV Peroxide (white bag):

>http://home.interpath.net/aztlan/brainrape/html/boyce_clinic_protocols.h

>tml

>To a 250 cc bag of 5% dextrose (use ringer solution if patient is

>diabetic) add 5 cc of sodium bicarbonate, 5 cc of magnesium chloride, 2

>cc of 0.375% solution of hydrogen peroxide, 2 cc of 99% DMSO and 5 cc of

>lidocain

>

>Either that, or my doctor has been poisoning me for the last few years.

>

>Lana

>

>

>

>> Did anyone notice the story about what made the ER doctors drop when

>> they looked at a patient a year or so ago. It was determined she was

>> treating herself with DMSO, and when the paramedics gave her ocygen,

>her

>> boy produced a gas that is a deadly neurotoxin which she exhaled. It

>was

>> either DMSO2 or DMSO4. Something like that.

>>

>> It would seem if one is using DMSO they must not use oxygen, peroxide

>or

>> ozone at the same time.

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Dear Lana:

The link you posted below is broken...I got a 404 error. Any other

suggestions?

Dr. Bormann

*************

zozu wrote:

> Jim,

> I still maintain that there's something " fishy " about saying you can't

> use DMSO with H2O2 when that is the standard mixture for IV's, as in

>

> IV Peroxide (white bag):

> http://home.interpath.net/aztlan/brainrape/html/boyce_clinic_protocols.h

> tml

> To a 250 cc bag of 5% dextrose (use ringer solution if patient is

> diabetic) add 5 cc of sodium bicarbonate, 5 cc of magnesium chloride, 2

> cc of 0.375% solution of hydrogen peroxide, 2 cc of 99% DMSO and 5 cc of

> lidocain

>

> Either that, or my doctor has been poisoning me for the last few years.

>

> Lana

>

> > Did anyone notice the story about what made the ER doctors drop when

> > they looked at a patient a year or so ago. It was determined she was

> > treating herself with DMSO, and when the paramedics gave her ocygen,

> her

> > boy produced a gas that is a deadly neurotoxin which she exhaled. It

> was

> > either DMSO2 or DMSO4. Something like that.

> >

> > It would seem if one is using DMSO they must not use oxygen, peroxide

> or

> > ozone at the same time.

> >

> > jim :)

> >

> >

> > -----

> > carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert

> >

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You'll notice the link line is wrapped.

If you complete the line in your browser so that it ends in .html the site will

come up fine.

Chuck

When you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend !

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:17:16 -0800, " Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.P. "

<drcnb@...> wrote:

>Dear Lana:

>

>The link you posted below is broken...I got a 404 error. Any other

>suggestions?

>

>Dr. Bormann

>*************

>

>zozu wrote:

>

>> Jim,

>> I still maintain that there's something " fishy " about saying you can't

>> use DMSO with H2O2 when that is the standard mixture for IV's, as in

>>

>> IV Peroxide (white bag):

>> http://home.interpath.net/aztlan/brainrape/html/boyce_clinic_protocols.h

>> tml

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In a message dated 12/16/00 8:05:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jlambert@... writes:

<< But, since DMSO & either H2O2

or ozone are regularly used together, then it seems unlikely to me that

the simple combination of the two is the culprit, if they are even

involved at all. >>

Jim,

I am somewhat reassured by your post. I was a bit uneasy aboaut all

these posts as I take MSM, colloidal sulfur and frequently use H202.

So I need to stop the sulfur products? Am I gassing myself?

Lash

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This is the way I received this message. Can anyone forward the email and

website for me?

Thanks, Christel

This happens often, does anyone else have this problem?

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Colin,

I'm not certain this principle applies. In the medical case that was

mentioned in the article the woman who died had a heart attack. I don't

recall what she had been treating herself with DMSO for but, according

to the medicos quoted in the article, it was simply the oxygen

administered by the paramedics that caused the problem that felled the

ER staff. So, it is possible the woman had been overusing DMSO, but the

oxygen applied was minimal. Since DMSO is regularly used with H2O2 &

ozone by alternative practitioners, one would think that they would have

heard of the problem if the chemistry were this simple. The odds almost

ensure it.

To a lay person such as myself, it sounded plausible, but only because I

have had no experience using both modalities together. So, I posted it,

preferring to err on the side of caution. But, since DMSO & either H2O2

or ozone are regularly used together, then it seems unlikely to me that

the simple combination of the two is the culprit, if they are even

involved at all.

Then, there is one more possibility. While conspiracies do exist, I am

not one to easily indulge them. Human greed, self-interest & stupidity

are usually more plausible, IMO, than conspiracy. But, there is the

possibility that the minds that came up with the hypothesis that DMSO &

O2 produce neurotoxic gases were prejudiced against the " alternative "

use of DMSO. That prejudice might almost be a given.

In such an environment, it might be easy for them to hypothesize against

the unknowns. Don't forget that the orthodox medical comunity is

attempting to explain what for them is a one-time occurrence with a

hypothesis. They didn't test it on animals or people. Simply put, it is

a WAG. They were wild-ass guessing.

jim :)

Colin Quinney wrote:

>

> Hi Lana,

>

> I think if the patient was applying so much DMSO that they had to be

> hospitalized, that obviously was too high a strength. (unless they were

> hospitalized for another reason?)

>

> The danger I think is definitely in higher strength mixtures, > Best Regards,

> Colin Quinney

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LAsh,

I am not the expert, but it seems to me that while a few people have a

problem with sulpur, most don't. And, the DMSO + O2 scare was just that.

Further, I seemed to glean that a problem with sulphur may have

something to do with amalgam metals, since said his info came from

an amalgam list.

One of the things this list is, IMO, is an information exchange.

Questions such as these are tossed around by practitioners & the rest of

us. I don't like to make suggestions for others to follow with as little

experience as I have on these issues, but I am not concerned about them

any more.

Personally, of late, I feel life is a gas, but that is the only gassing

I am getting.

jim :)

LASHLIN@... wrote:

> Jim,

> I am somewhat reassured by your post. I was a bit uneasy aboaut all

> these posts as I take MSM, colloidal sulfur and frequently use H202.

> So I need to stop the sulfur products? Am I gassing myself?

> Lash

>

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Hi Christel,

Here is the website:

http://www.thefinchleyclinic.co.uk

The email is under " contact us " on this same website.

I am looking forward to take to this London clinic the best

of friends who has a neurological disorder since taking the

allophatic antibiotics against TB. I wish we could go

tomorrow.

Best,

Núria

> This is the way I received this message. Can anyone forward the email and

> website for me?

> Thanks, Christel

> This happens often, does anyone else have this problem?

>

> The Finchley Clinic (North London) :-

> Cutting edge healing for the new millennium

> Tel : +44(0)20 8349 4730

>

> Visit our Web Site

> Email

>

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Yes, dear Jim and most of us do have a heavy metal burden due to mercury

amalgams in the mouth. So it could apply to many of us is my opinion.

Gas I really like to express myself

Jim Lambert wrote:

> LAsh,

>

> I am not the expert, but it seems to me that while a few people have a

> problem with sulpur, most don't. And, the DMSO + O2 scare was just that.

> Further, I seemed to glean that a problem with sulphur may have

> something to do with amalgam metals, since said his info came from

> an amalgam list.

>

> One of the things this list is, IMO, is an information exchange.

> Questions such as these are tossed around by practitioners & the rest of

> us. I don't like to make suggestions for others to follow with as little

> experience as I have on these issues, but I am not concerned about them

> any more.

>

> Personally, of late, I feel life is a gas, but that is the only gassing

> I am getting.

>

> jim :)

>

> LASHLIN@... wrote:

> > Jim,

> > I am somewhat reassured by your post. I was a bit uneasy aboaut all

> > these posts as I take MSM, colloidal sulfur and frequently use H202.

> > So I need to stop the sulfur products? Am I gassing myself?

> > Lash

> >

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Hi Jim,

I love the acronym WAG. Wild Ass Guessing :-))

Again, my aplologies for late response. I thought I'd lost some Emails until

just this last hour.

Perhaps I err too much on the side of caution also. Several years ago, I

once used DMSO on a painful whiplash, at 99% strength from a roller

applicator. Wow. Talk about fast-acting. The pain relief started taking

effect within a few seconds. So I thought, ok, if a little is good, lots

must be better. (Right?:) (not) I continued applying the liquid to my neck

for at least 60 seconds, until ALL the pain went away. Amazing stuff! Six

months later however, my neck still " hurt-itched " . Not from the whiplash,

but from too concentrated and too much administration of DMSO onto one small

area of my skin. On later purchasing and reading a book on DMSO I came to

realize that I had incurred a " drying out " in the cellular material in that

one spot. It was this local cellular " dehydration " that caused the

continuous " itching " that went on for months on end. Also-- for two days, my

family kept asking me to move into a motel.. They even refused to travel in

the car with me [with all the windows open!]. They preferred to walk to the

store for their snacks. So-- I'm very cautious with it today-- that's all.

<g>

The next time that I have whiplash pain, I'd still use the DMSO because it

" cured " the whiplash damage immediately.. but I will apply less-- and not

too concentrated, and I may also mix a local anasthetic into it for the

immediate pain relief instead of relying *only* on the DMSO for the pain

reduction effects. Moderation in all things I guess should be my moto. Hard

to live up-to when in pain :-)

Thanks, Jim.

Best Regards,

Colin Quinney

Re: Re: DMSO warning

> Colin,

>

> I'm not certain this principle applies. In the medical case that was

> mentioned in the article the woman who died had a heart attack. I don't

> recall what she had been treating herself with DMSO for but, according

> to the medicos quoted in the article, it was simply the oxygen

> administered by the paramedics that caused the problem that felled the

> ER staff. So, it is possible the woman had been overusing DMSO, but the

> oxygen applied was minimal. Since DMSO is regularly used with H2O2 &

> ozone by alternative practitioners, one would think that they would have

> heard of the problem if the chemistry were this simple. The odds almost

> ensure it.

>

> To a lay person such as myself, it sounded plausible, but only because I

> have had no experience using both modalities together. So, I posted it,

> preferring to err on the side of caution. But, since DMSO & either H2O2

> or ozone are regularly used together, then it seems unlikely to me that

> the simple combination of the two is the culprit, if they are even

> involved at all.

>

> Then, there is one more possibility. While conspiracies do exist, I am

> not one to easily indulge them. Human greed, self-interest & stupidity

> are usually more plausible, IMO, than conspiracy. But, there is the

> possibility that the minds that came up with the hypothesis that DMSO &

> O2 produce neurotoxic gases were prejudiced against the " alternative "

> use of DMSO. That prejudice might almost be a given.

>

> In such an environment, it might be easy for them to hypothesize against

> the unknowns. Don't forget that the orthodox medical comunity is

> attempting to explain what for them is a one-time occurrence with a

> hypothesis. They didn't test it on animals or people. Simply put, it is

> a WAG. They were wild-ass guessing.

>

> jim :)

>

> Colin Quinney wrote:

> >

> > Hi Lana,

> >

> > I think if the patient was applying so much DMSO that they had to be

> > hospitalized, that obviously was too high a strength. (unless they were

> > hospitalized for another reason?)

> >

> > The danger I think is definitely in higher strength mixtures, > Best

Regards,

> > Colin Quinney

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Dear Colin,

Be VERY careful what you mix with DMSO, because it will be carried right to

the bone.

Fresh aloe vera gel cut right from a plant is ok, because we have seen it

used over a period of years for bone cancer with only good effects.

Beyond that, be very careful.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

Re: Re: DMSO warning

>

>

> > Colin,

> >

> > I'm not certain this principle applies. In the medical case that was

> > mentioned in the article the woman who died had a heart attack. I don't

> > recall what she had been treating herself with DMSO for but, according

> > to the medicos quoted in the article, it was simply the oxygen

> > administered by the paramedics that caused the problem that felled the

> > ER staff. So, it is possible the woman had been overusing DMSO, but the

> > oxygen applied was minimal. Since DMSO is regularly used with H2O2 &

> > ozone by alternative practitioners, one would think that they would have

> > heard of the problem if the chemistry were this simple. The odds almost

> > ensure it.

> >

> > To a lay person such as myself, it sounded plausible, but only because I

> > have had no experience using both modalities together. So, I posted it,

> > preferring to err on the side of caution. But, since DMSO & either H2O2

> > or ozone are regularly used together, then it seems unlikely to me that

> > the simple combination of the two is the culprit, if they are even

> > involved at all.

> >

> > Then, there is one more possibility. While conspiracies do exist, I am

> > not one to easily indulge them. Human greed, self-interest & stupidity

> > are usually more plausible, IMO, than conspiracy. But, there is the

> > possibility that the minds that came up with the hypothesis that DMSO &

> > O2 produce neurotoxic gases were prejudiced against the " alternative "

> > use of DMSO. That prejudice might almost be a given.

> >

> > In such an environment, it might be easy for them to hypothesize against

> > the unknowns. Don't forget that the orthodox medical comunity is

> > attempting to explain what for them is a one-time occurrence with a

> > hypothesis. They didn't test it on animals or people. Simply put, it is

> > a WAG. They were wild-ass guessing.

> >

> > jim :)

> >

> > Colin Quinney wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Lana,

> > >

> > > I think if the patient was applying so much DMSO that they had to be

> > > hospitalized, that obviously was too high a strength. (unless they

were

> > > hospitalized for another reason?)

> > >

> > > The danger I think is definitely in higher strength mixtures, > Best

> Regards,

> > > Colin Quinney

>

>

>

>

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Hi Saul,

Thank you very much for this warning. I greatly appreciate this.

I still have a few questions :)

Is fresh aloe vera (mixed with DMSO) also good for the peripheral nerves

(and it's pain relief)?

What other substances are safe to mix with it? i.e; Yesterday I read of

one person's successful experience in mixing and administering DMSO with

water soluble vitamins. My wife may have a shortage of B vitamins near the

PN, so this seems like a serious route to consider.

TIA,

Best Regards,

Colin Quinney

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> >

> >

> > > Colin,

> > >

> > > I'm not certain this principle applies. In the medical case that was

> > > mentioned in the article the woman who died had a heart attack. I

don't

> > > recall what she had been treating herself with DMSO for but, according

> > > to the medicos quoted in the article, it was simply the oxygen

> > > administered by the paramedics that caused the problem that felled the

> > > ER staff. So, it is possible the woman had been overusing DMSO, but

the

> > > oxygen applied was minimal. Since DMSO is regularly used with H2O2 &

> > > ozone by alternative practitioners, one would think that they would

have

> > > heard of the problem if the chemistry were this simple. The odds

almost

> > > ensure it.

> > >

> > > To a lay person such as myself, it sounded plausible, but only because

I

> > > have had no experience using both modalities together. So, I posted

it,

> > > preferring to err on the side of caution. But, since DMSO & either

H2O2

> > > or ozone are regularly used together, then it seems unlikely to me

that

> > > the simple combination of the two is the culprit, if they are even

> > > involved at all.

> > >

> > > Then, there is one more possibility. While conspiracies do exist, I am

> > > not one to easily indulge them. Human greed, self-interest & stupidity

> > > are usually more plausible, IMO, than conspiracy. But, there is the

> > > possibility that the minds that came up with the hypothesis that DMSO

&

> > > O2 produce neurotoxic gases were prejudiced against the " alternative "

> > > use of DMSO. That prejudice might almost be a given.

> > >

> > > In such an environment, it might be easy for them to hypothesize

against

> > > the unknowns. Don't forget that the orthodox medical comunity is

> > > attempting to explain what for them is a one-time occurrence with a

> > > hypothesis. They didn't test it on animals or people. Simply put, it

is

> > > a WAG. They were wild-ass guessing.

> > >

> > > jim :)

> > >

> > > Colin Quinney wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Lana,

> > > >

> > > > I think if the patient was applying so much DMSO that they had to be

> > > > hospitalized, that obviously was too high a strength. (unless they

> were

> > > > hospitalized for another reason?)

> > > >

> > > > The danger I think is definitely in higher strength mixtures, > Best

> > Regards,

> > > > Colin Quinney

> >

> >

> >

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Yes it is a SOLVENT

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This stuff penetrates the body and carries along with it almost

anything you mix with it. Don't put anything into it that you would

not want in your whole body. Like drugs, alcohol, tobacco, herbs,

toxins of various kinds. They will all go everywhere in the body if

you use DMSO with them. There was a Mafia hit man named

Kuklinski who used DMSO along with cyanide that killed people in about

a minute when sprayed on their skin. I don't want a whole thread here

on DMSO, just this brief but serious warning about it.

bG

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On 5/15/2008, " baby_grand " wrote:

> This stuff penetrates the body and carries along with it almost

> anything you mix with it.

Well, you should clarify 'almost anything'...

> Don't put anything into it that you would not want in your whole

> body. Like drugs, alcohol, tobacco, herbs, toxins of various kinds.

> They will all go everywhere in the body if you use DMSO with them.

Generally this is good advice, but...

It is actually only limited to substances that are under 1000 daltons in

molecular weight, so larger molecules - like insulin, and most hormones

- will not be carried with it. Yes, one should be careful, but it isn't

quite as bad as it might seem...

I'd like to find a good site that would tell you the molecular weights

of different substances/molecules, but haven't been able to find one.

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...see if you can find anything in the following link that will

help you in your quest for molecular weights of different

substances/molecules.

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/F/FallTerm.html

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> > This stuff penetrates the body and carries along with it almost

> > anything you mix with it.

>

> Well, you should clarify 'almost anything'...

>

> > Don't put anything into it that you would not want in your whole

> > body. Like drugs, alcohol, tobacco, herbs, toxins of various kinds.

> > They will all go everywhere in the body if you use DMSO with them.

>

> Generally this is good advice, but...

>

> It is actually only limited to substances that are under 1000 daltons in

> molecular weight, so larger molecules - like insulin, and most hormones

> - will not be carried with it. Yes, one should be careful, but it isn't

> quite as bad as it might seem...

>

> I'd like to find a good site that would tell you the molecular weights

> of different substances/molecules, but haven't been able to find one.

>

>

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http://www.lenntech.com/calculators/molecular-weight-calculator.htm

http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/source/m/o/molecular%20weight/source.html

Not so easy - I used to have a good one from the DMSO list but looks as if it is

long gone. The above might be some use.

Rowena

It is actually only limited to substances that are under 1000 daltons in

molecular weight, so larger molecules - like insulin, and most hormones

- will not be carried with it. Yes, one should be careful, but it isn't

quite as bad as it might seem...

I'd like to find a good site that would tell you the molecular weights

of different substances/molecules, but haven't been able to find one.

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When applying DMSO make sure you do not have on nail polish...it

drives it into the system. Now...that's what I've been told. I do know

that when I first used it I had nail polish on my nails and it removed it.

>

> http://www.lenntech.com/calculators/molecular-weight-calculator.htm

>

http://www.diracdelta.co.uk/science/source/m/o/molecular%20weight/source.html

>

> Not so easy - I used to have a good one from the DMSO list but looks

as if it is long gone. The above might be some use.

> Rowena

>

> It is actually only limited to substances that are under 1000 daltons in

> molecular weight, so larger molecules - like insulin, and most hormones

> - will not be carried with it. Yes, one should be careful, but it isn't

> quite as bad as it might seem...

>

> I'd like to find a good site that would tell you the molecular weights

> of different substances/molecules, but haven't been able to find one.

>

>

>

>

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