Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Recently I introduced the basic godzilla to a friend of mine to help ease an infection he had on his thigh,I gave him the instructions for use off of this website so there was no doubt on the proper use of it. Well apparently after he read something about... " electricity, bone regrowth through the use of corals " he decided to put one godzilla probe on his back and the other on his thigh and left it like that all night while he slept (without reversing the polarity), when he woke up the next day he had a severe blister on his back!! He said while he was laying on his back,sometime during the night,the cloth came off the probe on his back and the bare wires dug into his skin!! The moral of the lesson...........I'll let you figure that out!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 how's the thigh infection? yeah, we nicknamed it godzilla since it tramples germs, I guess you have to realize things that work on little organisms can also affect larger ones! sleeping with any of these devices is like sleeping, well, with godzilla. bG > > Recently I introduced the basic godzilla to a friend of mine to help > ease an infection he had on his thigh,I gave him the instructions for > use off of this website so there was no doubt on the proper use of it. > Well apparently after he read something about... " electricity, bone > regrowth through the use of corals " he decided to put one godzilla > probe on his back and the other on his thigh and left it like that all > night while he slept (without reversing the polarity), when he woke up > the next day he had a severe blister on his back!! He said while he was > laying on his back,sometime during the night,the cloth came off the > probe on his back and the bare wires dug into his skin!! The moral of > the lesson...........I'll let you figure that out!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 The infection didn't go away and my friend is scared to use it again (go figure) but guess what?........His wife blames ME for his mistake! So I decided that from now on I'm going to be more careful about who I share this info. with!! baby_grand <no_reply > wrote: how's the thigh infection? yeah, we nicknamed it godzilla since it tramples germs, I guess you have to realize things that work on little organisms can also affect larger ones! sleeping with any of these devices is like sleeping, well, with godzilla. bG > > Recently I introduced the basic godzilla to a friend of mine to help > ease an infection he had on his thigh,I gave him the instructions for > use off of this website so there was no doubt on the proper use of it. > Well apparently after he read something about... " electricity, bone > regrowth through the use of corals " he decided to put one godzilla > probe on his back and the other on his thigh and left it like that all > night while he slept (without reversing the polarity), when he woke up > the next day he had a severe blister on his back!! He said while he was > laying on his back,sometime during the night,the cloth came off the > probe on his back and the bare wires dug into his skin!! The moral of > the lesson...........I'll let you figure that out!! > --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Darn, wish at least he got rid of the leg infection, for all that. It's hard to say why this didn't work out without knowing if the infection was covered by a pad large enough to get it all. Will post to files one local infection did not respond. Or so it seems. Sometimes infections take more time to disappear than the germ that causes them. One problem we have here is the medical exams are very crude. A doc sees things and signs that we don't. My own daughter reported a remedy I came up with for her toenails didn't work after 2- 3 weeks of use. An exam showed it had worked and she would need to keep at it 6 months before fully resolved. It's tricky. You really do take a chance when you put this into the hands of someone with an infection. Some will undertake it philosophically and understand it's an experiment, some will blame you who were only trying to help. I talked it up at a party, someone tried it on a cold. They used plastic forks for the handles of the paddles instead of metal. It worked on the cold, though. Know what? They also got a severe outbreak of coldsores right afterwards. That alarmed them and now they won't hear of godzilla's anymore. Stupid? You bet. Ingrates? Undoubtedly. Makes me blow my stack when that happens. I wished his damned cold came back, but it wouldn't since the device inactivated the virus. It left the immune system too busy with cleanup so then the herpes cold sores came out. He should have used it on them, but instead threw the device away. On the other hand a caregiver might learn about godzilla and be better at choosing people to apply it to. I like to train caregivers. bG > > > > Recently I introduced the basic godzilla to a friend of mine to help > > ease an infection he had on his thigh,I gave him the instructions for > > use off of this website so there was no doubt on the proper use of > it. > > Well apparently after he read something about... " electricity, bone > > regrowth through the use of corals " he decided to put one godzilla > > probe on his back and the other on his thigh and left it like that > all > > night while he slept (without reversing the polarity), when he woke > up > > the next day he had a severe blister on his back!! He said while he > was > > laying on his back,sometime during the night,the cloth came off the > > probe on his back and the bare wires dug into his skin!! The moral of > > the lesson...........I'll let you figure that out!! > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 This is a post from Carol, a couple years ago, that I saved concerning non healing wounds. Notice that low current was used, " similar to that present naturally in the body " . That would be much lower than unmodified current from a 6v, or even 3v battery. A variable resistor would be necessary and an ammeter, so the current could be accurately determined. From what I have read, killing or disabling pathogens is different from healing. More ATP, the fuel for cells, is produced with current under 500uA, while higher current is more effective in killing bugs. So, you could use both if you had an adjustable device. Treat the infection first with relatively short periods (maybe 20 minutes), of higher current, and then longer treatments ( an hour, or more) with very low current. What is the current " Present naturally in the body " ? Dick Electrical Current Heals Chronic Wounds By Meredith Guinness HealthScout Reporter THURSDAY, Dec. 28 (HealthScout) -- Chronic wounds treated with very low electrical currents heal more quickly than they do with standard treatments, a new study suggests. Researchers studying the ElectroRegenesis Therapy Device (ERTD) say it stimulates the body's natural ability to heal wounds related to amputations, long-term ulcers, diabetic lesions, circulation problems, paralysis and even advanced age. Several patients -- some of whom had had wounds for five years -- showed significant healing in just one or two sessions. The promising study, presented recently at the 8th International Congress of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine in Las Vegas, may spell painless relief for the estimated 2 percent of Americans living with wounds that don't heal. " We don't completely understand why it works, " says Dr. Alfred J. Koonin, clinical study monitor for the device. " What we do understand is that the device seems to act as an ultra-powerful antioxidant that knocks out infection, stimulates blood flow and encourages cell regeneration. " And it also appears to help patients regardless of their age, which can be a factor with conventional treatments such as dressings, gel packs, topical medication and surgical procedures, says Koonin, director of research for the American Institute of Regeneration in Los Angeles. Chronic wounds are those that show no sign of healing in four weeks or have not significantly healed in eight weeks, says Winbigler, director of the Wound Care Center at Stamford Hospital in Connecticut. As the population ages and people live longer lives, chronic wounds become a significant problem and more wound-care centers are opening across the United States, she says. " As people age, the body tends to break down, " she says. " And with diabetics, there is a high glucose level in the tissue that interferes with healing. When you or I might bump into something, it would heal. For them, it's a bigger problem. " The study observed 25 wounds in patients ranging in age from 20 to 75. For 23 minutes a day, they were wrapped in spongy, damp bandages above and below the wound. The researchers then wrapped electrodes over the bandages and attached them to the device, which delivered a low electrical current similar to that present naturally in the body. After 23 minutes, wraps were applied to their feet and the treatment continued for three more hours. Most of the patients received treatments five days a week for about two weeks. The average rate of healing was about three-quarters of a centimeter each day of treatment. Many of the wounds that had not responded to conventional therapy for months healed within a few weeks, researchers found. Koonin says the therapy kick starts the body's natural energy source, which is essential to healing. " In layman's terms, it takes an electrical system that's out of whack and sort of normalizes it, " he says. Koonin says some of the machine's effects are a little mystifying. While conventional therapies often require surgical or chemical removal of any dead tissue before treatment begins, dead tissue seemed to disappear after treatment with the device. " It seemed to be reabsorbed by the body or converted to new tissue. It's difficult to tell which, " says Koonin. " My own feeling is it was probably reabsorbed into the body, but we don't know. " A slight rash around the wound was the only negative side effect noticed in some patients. But Koonin says the treatments also seemed to have another positive side effect. " Many of them got a little brighter, " he says, particularly older patients, paraplegics and quadraplegics. " Their appetites started to resume. It's the sort of thing you'd expect from an antioxidant. It sort of cleans up the tissue. They felt better. " ' Koonin believes the ERTD, which has a patent pending, will have many applications. Some animal testing on spinal cord injuries is being done and trials are planned to test its effects on severe facial pain, shingles and poor circulation. He hopes the device will receive FDA approval in the next few months. Winbigler says wound-care centers offe baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote: To arrive at reliable conclusions, correct evidence well-interpreted is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 h.godavari@... wrote: > This is a post from Carol, a couple years ago, that I saved concerning non > healing wounds. Notice that low current was used, " similar to that present > naturally in the body " . That would be much lower than unmodified current from > a 6v, or even 3v battery. A variable resistor would be necessary and an > ammeter, so the current could be accurately determined. > > >From what I have read, killing or disabling pathogens is different from > healing. More ATP, the fuel for cells, is produced with current under 500uA, > while higher current is more effective in killing bugs. So, you could use both > if you had an adjustable device. Treat the infection first with relatively > short periods (maybe 20 minutes), of higher current, and then longer > treatments ( an hour, or more) with very low current. > > What is the current " Present naturally in the body " ? > > Dick > > Electrical Current Heals Chronic Wounds > By Meredith Guinness > HealthScout Reporter > THURSDAY, Dec. 28 (HealthScout) -- Chronic wounds treated with very low > electrical currents heal more quickly than they do with standard treatments, a > new study suggests. > Researchers studying the ElectroRegenesis Therapy Device (ERTD) say it > stimulates the body's natural ability to heal wounds related to amputations, > long-term ulcers, diabetic lesions, circulation problems, paralysis and even > advanced age. Several patients -- some of whom had had wounds for five years > -- showed significant healing in just one or two sessions. > The promising study, presented recently at the 8th International Congress of > the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine in Las Vegas, may spell painless > relief for the estimated 2 percent of Americans living with wounds that don't > heal. > " We don't completely understand why it works, " says Dr. Alfred J. Koonin, > clinical study monitor for the device. " What we do understand is that the > device seems to act as an ultra-powerful antioxidant that knocks out > infection, stimulates blood flow and encourages cell regeneration. " > And it also appears to help patients regardless of their age, which can be a > factor with conventional treatments such as dressings, gel packs, topical > medication and surgical procedures, says Koonin, director of research for the > American Institute of Regeneration in Los Angeles. > Chronic wounds are those that show no sign of healing in four weeks or have > not significantly healed in eight weeks, says Winbigler, director of > the Wound Care Center at Stamford Hospital in Connecticut. As the population > ages and people live longer lives, chronic wounds become a significant problem > and more wound-care centers are opening across the United States, she says. > " As people age, the body tends to break down, " she says. " And with diabetics, > there is a high glucose level in the tissue that interferes with healing. When > you or I might bump into something, it would heal. For them, it's a bigger > problem. " > The study observed 25 wounds in patients ranging in age from 20 to 75. For 23 > minutes a day, they were wrapped in spongy, damp bandages above and below the > wound. The researchers then wrapped electrodes over the bandages and attached > them to the device, which delivered a low electrical current similar to that > present naturally in the body. > After 23 minutes, wraps were applied to their feet and the treatment continued > for three more hours. Most of the patients received treatments five days a > week for about two weeks. > The average rate of healing was about three-quarters of a centimeter each day > of treatment. Many of the wounds that had not responded to conventional > therapy for months healed within a few weeks, researchers found. > Koonin says the therapy kick starts the body's natural energy source, which is > essential to healing. > " In layman's terms, it takes an electrical system that's out of whack and sort > of normalizes it, " he says. > Koonin says some of the machine's effects are a little mystifying. While > conventional therapies often require surgical or chemical removal of any dead > tissue before treatment begins, dead tissue seemed to disappear after > treatment with the device. > " It seemed to be reabsorbed by the body or converted to new tissue. It's > difficult to tell which, " says Koonin. " My own feeling is it was probably > reabsorbed into the body, but we don't know. " > A slight rash around the wound was the only negative side effect noticed in > some patients. But Koonin says the treatments also seemed to have another > positive side effect. > " Many of them got a little brighter, " he says, particularly older patients, > paraplegics and quadraplegics. " Their appetites started to resume. It's the > sort of thing you'd expect from an antioxidant. It sort of cleans up the > tissue. They felt better. " ' > Koonin believes the ERTD, which has a patent pending, will have many > applications. Some animal testing on spinal cord injuries is being done and > trials are planned to test its effects on severe facial pain, shingles and > poor circulation. He hopes the device will receive FDA approval in the next > few months. > Winbigler says wound-care centers offe > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1373 - Release Date: 4/11/08 9:17 > AM > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.12/1373 - Release Date: 4/11/08 9:17 > AM > -- to reply remove STOP from email addy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 Thanks for the feedback Bg! baby_grand <no_reply > wrote: Darn, wish at least he got rid of the leg infection, for all that. It's hard to say why this didn't work out without knowing if the infection was covered by a pad large enough to get it all. Will post to files one local infection did not respond. Or so it seems. Sometimes infections take more time to disappear than the germ that causes them. One problem we have here is the medical exams are very crude. A doc sees things and signs that we don't. My own daughter reported a remedy I came up with for her toenails didn't work after 2- 3 weeks of use. An exam showed it had worked and she would need to keep at it 6 months before fully resolved. It's tricky. You really do take a chance when you put this into the hands of someone with an infection. Some will undertake it philosophically and understand it's an experiment, some will blame you who were only trying to help. I talked it up at a party, someone tried it on a cold. They used plastic forks for the handles of the paddles instead of metal. It worked on the cold, though. Know what? They also got a severe outbreak of coldsores right afterwards. That alarmed them and now they won't hear of godzilla's anymore. Stupid? You bet. Ingrates? Undoubtedly. Makes me blow my stack when that happens. I wished his damned cold came back, but it wouldn't since the device inactivated the virus. It left the immune system too busy with cleanup so then the herpes cold sores came out. He should have used it on them, but instead threw the device away. On the other hand a caregiver might learn about godzilla and be better at choosing people to apply it to. I like to train caregivers. bG > > > > Recently I introduced the basic godzilla to a friend of mine to help > > ease an infection he had on his thigh,I gave him the instructions for > > use off of this website so there was no doubt on the proper use of > it. > > Well apparently after he read something about... " electricity, bone > > regrowth through the use of corals " he decided to put one godzilla > > probe on his back and the other on his thigh and left it like that > all > > night while he slept (without reversing the polarity), when he woke > up > > the next day he had a severe blister on his back!! He said while he > was > > laying on his back,sometime during the night,the cloth came off the > > probe on his back and the bare wires dug into his skin!! The moral of > > the lesson...........I'll let you figure that out!! > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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