Thanks!

[Guest guest]

I kept searching until I found a doc willing to let me vaccinate or

not vaccinate. Start looking at Family Practitioners versus

Pediatricians. They seem much more open than Peds.

It is funny how everyone pushes that vaccines have to be given in

order for your child to attend school. Nobody likes to talk about

the loophole that almost every state has for a religious or

philosophical exemption (every state has medical).

You are lucky. Ohio has philosophical exemptions. And you can tell

your Pediatrican that you are 'philosophically' opposed and will be

seeking that exemption, so your child will have no problems getting

in school.

http://www.access1.net/via/STATES/req-oh.htm

Exceptions: ORC §§3313.67.1(A)(1) to (4).

1) A pupil who has had natural rubeola or mumps, and presents a

signed statement from his parent or physician to that effect, is not

required to be immunized against the respective disease.

2) A pupil who presents a written statement of his parent or guardian

in which they object to the immunization for good cause, including

religious convictions, is not required to be immunized.

3) A child whose doctor certifies that such immunization is medically

contraindicated is not required to be immunized. A school board

cannot be required, because of written objection by his parent or

guardian, to admit a child to school who has not been immunized.

State ex rel. Mack v. Board of Education, 204 NE2d 86 (1963).

> I want to thank all of you for the welcome! Here are a

> few questions. My ped. said that in order for her to

> go to school she some of the vaccines, I live in Ohio,

> so how do I get out of that if I decide not to

> vaccinate. My other question, what are the chance of

> her getting taken away from me? That's one reason why

> I wish to keep my ped. in the loop. So, if my

> parenting comes up I'll have a doctor who should be

> able to say how much I care and knows all the research

> that I have done to testify that I do not neglect my

> daughter. One more thing what are the best web sites

> for info on the dpt and the mmr? I went to the

> government site and they made me feel irresponsible

> and that I could kill other kids! And any info that

> you guys wouldn't mind e-mailing me would be great!

> Tasha

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I would love to recieve the info on exemptions! We

live in columbus and our ped. is pretty good! She let

us look at the inserts no problem and was really

suprised when I showed her the thimerosal. She has

since been requesting non-thimerosal form the drug

companies and said she would be willing to order

single shots for the mme. I want to let her know what

I'm doing so that I can have her veiw on things as

well. If she gives me a hard time we'll look for

another ped. She is our second. My one friend didn't

give her daughter vax. until she was one. She didn't

know anything about the problems she just thought that

taking a healthy baby to the doctors office with all

the sick children was stupid! I agree!

Thanks for your response!

--- nnu29@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/2/01 4:23:22 PM GTB Daylight

> Time, spiritpatch@...

> writes:

>

> <<

>

> I want to thank all of you for the welcome! Here

> are a

> few questions. My ped. said that in order for her

> to

> go to school she some of the vaccines, I live in

> Ohio,

> so how do I get out of that if I decide not to

> vaccinate. My other question, what are the chance

> of

> her getting taken away from me? >>

>

> Tasha,

> I am in ohio as well,right outside of

> Cleveland.There are a few Ohio

> members.Ohio has all three exemptions.You just need

> to write an affidavit,and

> present it when registering for daycare,summer

> camp(maybe),or school.Some

> schools have an exemption forms you sign.My friend

> said she signs a form the

> school gives when she turns down the hepB vaccine.I

> just sent Amy a copy of

> my exemption,do you want to see it as well?

> In regards to doing well checks I have done the

> following with my dd:

> 3do,1-2wo,6wo,9mo,13mo,24mo.

> The first couple visits I took her in because I had

> concerns,and the last to

> were just to have her checked for documentation I

> suppose.My ped JUST found

> at the 2yo chk that we had not vaccinated her,and

> he was suprisingly calm

> about it.He assumed we were getting free shots at

> the WIC office.

> You can always go to a general practitioner or

> family doctor,or chiro,or

> osteopath,or no one if your child is healthy

> .Whatever you want to

> do.There is no law YET stating you must take your

> child to well checks.

> Although I do think one check at birth by a doctor

> or MW would be prudent. As

> far as CPS goes whose to say what or who will bring

> them into your life,but

> you can not and should not make your parenting

> choices based on how CPS will

> react to them.Simply know the laws regarding them.

>

> Keeping records of growth and documentation of

> illnesses is a good idea.Lol I

> have scraps of paper recounting by the hour

> temp./behavior/feeding for the

> times Nimet was sick.

> The best place to start is with the vaccine inserts

> and medicals books

> describing the diseases.Those will lead you to

> further studies and

> materials.Your ped should give you all the inserts

> if you ask though they

> usually do so grudgingly or say they threw them out.

> Many are online,or you

> can get the PDR book from the library and read them.

>

> Sara in ohio

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/2/01 8:44:15 PM GTB Daylight Time, sandym@...

writes:

<<

Tasha, I believe Dr. Sherri Tenpenny is also near Columbus at:

OsteoMed II

13550 Falling Water Road #202

Strongsville, Ohio 44136

440-572-1136 >>

That is right down the road from me,and she in near Cleveland not Columbus.I

am to poor to afford her ,but from what I have read she and Dr.Clay(?)

provide excellent services.I think though that she has another practice

somewhere else(osteomed 1)

She has a web page you can check out.

www.osteomed.com

Sara

[Guest guest]

Tasha, Check out your state exemption rules - you can find Sheri's and

other web pages on state information on my news/information website at:

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/StateInformation/state_laws_and_exemption_inf

orma.htm . There's lots of information already on my new website

(www.vaccinationnews.com), but you can also link to a number of other great

sites as well. Spend some time there and you will see that it is a good

place to start.

Sandy from Alaska

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

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REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

thanks!

I want to thank all of you for the welcome! Here are a

few questions. My ped. said that in order for her to

go to school she some of the vaccines, I live in Ohio,

so how do I get out of that if I decide not to

vaccinate. My other question, what are the chance of

her getting taken away from me? That's one reason why

I wish to keep my ped. in the loop. So, if my

parenting comes up I'll have a doctor who should be

able to say how much I care and knows all the research

that I have done to testify that I do not neglect my

daughter. One more thing what are the best web sites

for info on the dpt and the mmr? I went to the

government site and they made me feel irresponsible

and that I could kill other kids! And any info that

you guys wouldn't mind e-mailing me would be great!

Tasha

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Tasha, I believe Dr. Sherri Tenpenny is also near Columbus at:

OsteoMed II

13550 Falling Water Road #202

Strongsville, Ohio 44136

440-572-1136

She is a D.O. and is one of the NVIC leaders. You might want to consider

having her as one of your doctors if she is nearby. Sandy

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IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Re: thanks!

I would love to recieve the info on exemptions! We

live in columbus and our ped. is pretty good! She let

us look at the inserts no problem and was really

suprised when I showed her the thimerosal. She has

since been requesting non-thimerosal form the drug

companies and said she would be willing to order

single shots for the mme. I want to let her know what

I'm doing so that I can have her veiw on things as

well. If she gives me a hard time we'll look for

another ped. She is our second. My one friend didn't

give her daughter vax. until she was one. She didn't

know anything about the problems she just thought that

taking a healthy baby to the doctors office with all

the sick children was stupid! I agree!

Thanks for your response!

--- nnu29@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/2/01 4:23:22 PM GTB Daylight

> Time, spiritpatch@...

> writes:

>

> <<

>

> I want to thank all of you for the welcome! Here

> are a

> few questions. My ped. said that in order for her

> to

> go to school she some of the vaccines, I live in

> Ohio,

> so how do I get out of that if I decide not to

> vaccinate. My other question, what are the chance

> of

> her getting taken away from me? >>

>

> Tasha,

> I am in ohio as well,right outside of

> Cleveland.There are a few Ohio

> members.Ohio has all three exemptions.You just need

> to write an affidavit,and

> present it when registering for daycare,summer

> camp(maybe),or school.Some

> schools have an exemption forms you sign.My friend

> said she signs a form the

> school gives when she turns down the hepB vaccine.I

> just sent Amy a copy of

> my exemption,do you want to see it as well?

> In regards to doing well checks I have done the

> following with my dd:

> 3do,1-2wo,6wo,9mo,13mo,24mo.

> The first couple visits I took her in because I had

> concerns,and the last to

> were just to have her checked for documentation I

> suppose.My ped JUST found

> at the 2yo chk that we had not vaccinated her,and

> he was suprisingly calm

> about it.He assumed we were getting free shots at

> the WIC office.

> You can always go to a general practitioner or

> family doctor,or chiro,or

> osteopath,or no one if your child is healthy

> .Whatever you want to

> do.There is no law YET stating you must take your

> child to well checks.

> Although I do think one check at birth by a doctor

> or MW would be prudent. As

> far as CPS goes whose to say what or who will bring

> them into your life,but

> you can not and should not make your parenting

> choices based on how CPS will

> react to them.Simply know the laws regarding them.

>

> Keeping records of growth and documentation of

> illnesses is a good idea.Lol I

> have scraps of paper recounting by the hour

> temp./behavior/feeding for the

> times Nimet was sick.

> The best place to start is with the vaccine inserts

> and medicals books

> describing the diseases.Those will lead you to

> further studies and

> materials.Your ped should give you all the inserts

> if you ask though they

> usually do so grudgingly or say they threw them out.

> Many are online,or you

> can get the PDR book from the library and read them.

>

> Sara in ohio

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Dear Kim in NC,

Hi there, and welcome. I have an eight (almost nine) year old with OCD, which began suddenly after a bout of encephalitis when she was four. This list is a life-saver and I think it's wonderful you found it so soon.

I just wanted to mention that anger is part and parcel of untreated OCD, and was the first and worst thing, along with a sudden rash of phobias, that we noticed when Annie got sick. Treatment has reduced that problem to *almost* a non-issue. Also, OCD can be, and probably very often is, mistaken for ADHD. As you learn more, and if your son gets his OCD treated and under control, you may find that many of the ADHD behaviors will lessen. (Granted, there are plenty of kids with true ADHD and OCD). When Annie's OCD is bad, anyone watching her would just assume she has ADHD - she seems so hyper, scattered, out of control. But that is generally just anxiety and lots of mental anguish preventing her from thinking clearly, if at all.

So hang in there. Both OCD and ADHD are treatable. And in my experience, and from what I have learned from this list, a four year old with OCD is just about the hardest. It's hard to untangle wild four-year-old-ness from OCD behaviors, and it can be overwhelming. Time alone will make a big difference. Annie wasn't treated until she was eight, but as she got older it became easier to deal with her anyway. At least she became more articulate about what was bothering her.

Good luck and take care,

in Reno NV

[Guest guest]

Kim in NC,

One of the most effective behavioural modification methods with

kids with ocd, is to reward positive and ignore the negative. Of

course, this also means that typical age appropriate behaviours are

acknowledged and dealt with accordingly!

For example, Payton throws a toy across the room because you wont

put it 'just right' like he wants you to. You could return the toy

and ask him " Who's in Charge? The nasty thoughts in his head, or

Payton? " You could ask Payton to be strong and to let you put the toy

as you want. Remind him that you do not listen to ocd's bossing. On

the other hand, you could leave the toy where it lands. If Payton

wants to put it " just so " in place, then he can retrieve it. In any

case, You resist doing what OCD is telling you to do. When someone

else follows ocd's rules it is called enabling.

If Payton can put the toy, even for a few seconds, in a different

place, then you reward him. If he can collect his toy and let you

place it wherever you want to, again, reward! Rewards can be

stickers, points, treats, etc. Always remember your role as the

cheerleader or coach.

It may help if Payton names his ocd. This is particularly effective

for younger children to learn how to externalize the thoughts from

reality.

If Payton is abusive (throwing to hurt, kicking, biting, breaking,

hitting,...), firmly name the behaviour. Time out in his room or

another area is appropriate, depending on his actions. ADHD kids have

very short attention spans, plus his age, means that time outs should

be short - say 5 minutes. He has no real concept of time, so you may

want to use an egg timer! If he is successful in going when told,

cheer him on for staying there the designated time!

Many of us are going to a conference sponsored by the Obsessive

Compulsive Foundation. It is in Denver next weekend. I know that its

short notice, but if you can make it - it will be worth every minute!

Take care, wendy, in canada

============================

.... Our main problem is one that is recent and that is anger. I

don't

know if it is stemming from the OCD or ADHD but he has started

hitting, kicking, screaming, etc... when things don't go his way. So

if anyone else out there has this problem, feel free to give me some

advice. I would love to have some ideas for discipline as well

because nothing we do works. We have tried taking away toys, sending

him to his room, putting him in time-out, etc....

Anyway, sorry so long.

Kim in NC

_______________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Kim:

I am a mom with a 9 yo son, , who is OCD and ADHD. He was diagnosed at age 6, and most likely he has had OCD and ADHD since birth now that I look back at it. We're not the only ones with the OCD and ADHD combination. My pdoc was very good at taking it slow with the medication. But to answer your question, it is possible to medicate for both and is very common. Initially, started out with Prozac (for OCD) and Clonidine (for ADHD). The Clonidine made too sleepy so they switched him over to Tenex; he has been on that ever since. As far as OCD goes, he's been on Prozac, Luvox, Loloft, and now Anafranil and Celexa combination is working for his OCD. also has oppositional defiant disorder which he takes Risperdal (this is an anti-psychotic). Risperdal has really helped with the impulsivity connected with the ADHD and OCD. Also, it has helped him slow down his thoughts so he can sort out his thoughts before saying or doing something, at least some of the time. But with the three meds he is able to try and beat up OCD.

Oh, another thing, Prozac and I think Zoloft come in liquid form which might be easier for Payton to take.

There is hope. Payton is at a great age for ERP -- did much better at it when he was younger than now. I think he now realizes how hard it is and how scary it can be to confront his fears.

I hoped this has helped some. WELCOME to the group, it has been a lifesaver for me -- now I know I'm not alone.

Take care, we're all here for each other.

Tamra (ocdmom2001)

Omaha, NE

Thanks!

Thanks everyone for such a warm welcome. I should mention that we live in the Asheville, NC area. Amy asked me if we would be starting Payton on meds or behavioral therapy. The dr. didn't feel that he is ready to be on meds at this time but did say we probably won't make it through grade school with out them for the OCD and ADHD. I don't know how we will medicate for both???? Is that even possible? The whole idea makes me nauseous to think about. As far as behavioral therapy, he did tell us some things to begin at home but I intend to read up on it and ask him more about it at our next visit. Any suggestions would be great.asked what some of his behaviors are (OCD and ADHD) and if they are recent. Most of his OCD behaviors are lining up, sorting, straightening, etc... Once you do something one way you have to do it that way for life. Payton also did not eat solid food until he was 3 years old. He would only eat baby food. We now think that had something to do with the OCD. So, no, his OCD is not new. The ADHD is also not new but has gotten A LOT worse in the past few weeks. His main problem is that he talks incessantly - to himself, to us, to the wall, to his toys, you name it. He also has "ants in his pants" and can't sit still for more than 2 seconds. However, thank goodness, he is a good sleeper most of the time and still takes a nap. Our main problem is one that is recent and that is anger. I don't know if it is stemming from the OCD or ADHD but he has started hitting, kicking, screaming, etc... when things don't go his way. So if anyone else out there has this problem, feel free to give me some advice. I would love to have some ideas for discipline as well because nothing we do works. We have tried taking away toys, sending him to his room, putting him in time-out, etc....Anyway, sorry so long.Kim in NCYou may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. You may subscribe to the Parents of Adults with OCD List at parentsofadultswithOCD-subscribe . You may subscribe to the OCD and Homeschooling List at ocdandhomeschooling-subscribe . You may change your subscription format or access the files, bookmarks, and archives for our list at . Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Kathy Hammes, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy , and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at lharkins@... .

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim:

IT takes a skillful pediatric psychopharmacologist to medicate comorbid OCD

and ADHD. It is not uncommon for kids to get both these diagnoses. It is

theorized that sometimes these disorders are genetically related, other

times when the OCD is treated the ADHD gets better.

The state-of-the art treatment for children with OCD is the Marck protocol

described in Dr. March and Mulle's book, " Obsessive Compulsive

Disorder in Children and Adolescents " . Dr. March has a center for

pediatric anxiety disorders at Duke University.

Dr. Tamar Chansky's book, " Freeing Your Child from Obsessive Compulsive

Disorder " , and Dr. Aureen Pinto Wagner's book, " Up and Down the Worry Hill "

are also very informative. Teaching Payton his worries are just error

messages in his brain will help him get started on learning how to boss

back his OCD.

Normal parenting techniques do not work well for kids with OCD. It does

not work to punish them for behaviors resulting from their disorder. The

best is to get good treatment and then use a behavior contract to help them

learn how to control their behaviors. A good CBT therapist should be able

to guide you through this. Good luck, take care, aloha, kathy (h)

kathyh@...

:53 PM 07/14/2001 -0000, you wrote:

>Thanks everyone for such a warm welcome. I should mention that we

>live in the Asheville, NC area. Amy asked me if we would be starting

>Payton on meds or behavioral therapy. The dr. didn't feel that he is

>ready to be on meds at this time but did say we probably won't make

>it through grade school with out them for the OCD and ADHD. I don't

>know how we will medicate for both???? Is that even possible? The

>whole idea makes me nauseous to think about. As far as behavioral

>therapy, he did tell us some things to begin at home but I intend to

>read up on it and ask him more about it at our next visit. Any

>suggestions would be great.

>

>asked what some of his behaviors are (OCD and ADHD) and if they

>are recent. Most of his OCD behaviors are lining up, sorting,

>straightening, etc... Once you do something one way you have to do

>it that way for life. Payton also did not eat solid food until he

>was 3 years old. He would only eat baby food. We now think that had

>something to do with the OCD. So, no, his OCD is not new. The ADHD

>is also not new but has gotten A LOT worse in the past few weeks.

>His main problem is that he talks incessantly - to himself, to us, to

>the wall, to his toys, you name it. He also has " ants in his pants "

>and can't sit still for more than 2 seconds. However, thank

>goodness, he is a good sleeper most of the time and still takes a

>nap.

>

>Our main problem is one that is recent and that is anger. I don't

>know if it is stemming from the OCD or ADHD but he has started

>hitting, kicking, screaming, etc... when things don't go his way. So

>if anyone else out there has this problem, feel free to give me some

>advice. I would love to have some ideas for discipline as well

>because nothing we do works. We have tried taking away toys, sending

>him to his room, putting him in time-out, etc....

>

>Anyway, sorry so long.

>Kim in NC

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Wow !!!! do you sound different than last week. Well welcome to this group

of great people that are full of advice, laughter, knowledge, hope and

inspiration!!!

My daughter amanda is 11 ds and in 5th grade. she is doing great. really

becoming her own person with her own thoughts and wants. She really knows

what she wants and lets us know too!

Again, welcome and i like some of your advice at the end too!!!!

~ Mom to 11 DS and 7 NY

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Patrica,

Welcome! If you have questions, ask! If you want to vent, vent! We are

here

for you as well as each other.

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Mom to Sydnie DS, 19 mths

Thanks!

Hi everybody.

I joined to the group a pair of weeks ago (patricia: I´m new in DS

world)

I just want to thank you all for the words, the support and the

experiences that are sharing with me.

It is really usefull to have other parents support: not only for the

experience but most of the tme for the language.

Several times when i left the doctor i got more confused than when i

entered. Argentines doctors prefers not to tell you a lot except if

you ask and they always say: do you have any doubt / question?

Sometimes i don´t know what i have to ask as the information i manage

is too litle: the one that they gave me! Belive me, in the 2 week

that i´m in this group i learned more that in the 3 previous months!

So far i´m learning daily and trying to make some minimals changes to

my life to go through this route best prepared.

This is my list... and is working!!!.

I´m listening more music

I´m praying for your kids instead ok asking god only for my family

I´m enjoying every day with my childs now

I´m paying more attention to very, very, very little details

I´m learning and reading a lot, eventhough lot of people told me not

to do that

I´m crying if I want

I´m laughing too much more than crying

Marcos is doing very well luckyly.

Take care!

Mon of 3 specials kids, only one with DS

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>Morning-MistThank you so much Sherri, for all the invaluble information!

I meant to post a thank you, too. I actually just got around to saving all

the info. in my word processing software, and I will be printing it out

when I get a chance. I have a VERY whiny teething 5 month old who doesn't

let me get more than 15 minutes away from him at a time <g>. I know,

excuses, excuses.

>

what remedy are you going to give? ;-)

>Anyway, you are very appreciated in all the work you do, I don't know

where you get the energy! (Oh, I know, no kids! LOL!!!! just kidding).

>

Not sure myself, but getting tireddddddddddd

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In a message dated 2/12/02 3:52:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,

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> Thanks for the advice, It does help to feed him smaller bites

> but even the crunchy stuff spills out, some things he can feed

> himself. I have really learned alot from your school experiences and

> I think you are such a good mom.

>

> It is so great to know folks are going through so much of the same

> things I am and who have so much of the same feelings I do!!

>

>

Dawn, you just made my day! Going to work with a compliment tucked in my

heart is the best way to start the morning!

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has anyone taped it????? and does anyone know if the

UK has the same video system as oz? i'd love to see

this news.

claudia

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> Hi Everyone,

>

> Thanks to you all for the kind words about the tv

> and radio interviews

> yesterday. I went to bed early last night and all of

> your messages are

> lost in my inbox - probably never to be seen again

> LOL. But I wanted to

> let you know that I really did appreciate them and

> let's just hope that

> we get more and more people questioning and fewer

> and fewer sheeple

> vaccinating without thought.

>

> Take care,

> Meryl

>

> PS - Trevor - I'll take you up on a copy of that

> video!

>

>

> Meryl W. Dorey,

>

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>

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>

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>

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[Guest guest]

I agree, many thanks to both of you Jessie and .

Also thanks again Sandy for the protein drinks.

Robin in Seattle

[Guest guest]

I forgot you were one of the " friday the 13th people " until you reminded

me... Very close to xmas too... do you have all your shopping done? Three

years ago, I had a hysterectomy on the 21st of December, and they let me go

home xmas eve... what a fun xmas that was! I didn't have to cook though,

but it was so rushed, and I only had a couple of days notice, got my

shopping done and wrapped just in time.

Lynn

Thanks!

> I just wanted to say thabks for all of the support. I know there are

> at least a couple other people having surgery on Friday and it helps

> to know there will be others thinking about us as we go through it.

>

> Vickie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, I have to say that I have only a few presents

purchased. We were out of town for Thanksgiving for five days and

didn't get a chance to do any of the shopping I wanted to do.

However, I do know what I'm going to get - it's just a matter of

finding the time! I'm trying to get everything caught up at home and

also trying to get a little ahead at work to prepare for my time off

so I have to admit I'm a bit frazzled! I've always done the bulk of

my shopping pretty much the week before Christmas so it's doubly hard

trying to get it done. I figure that as long as I buy everything I

need I can wrap while I'm stuck at home. I guess I can't spend all

of my recooperative time playing video games, can I!

I am also very fortunate that I am not really expected to cook, I

usually only " help out " as I DETEST cooking - not that I mind eating

the results! Did you finally get to enjoy your Christmas then?

As to the " Friday the 13th " thing, my brother has always been

particularly lucky on Friday the 13ths so I'm making sure I stay on

his good side. I don't want him mad at me on his lucky day - there's

no telling what might happen!

Vickie

> I forgot you were one of the " friday the 13th people " until you

reminded

> me... Very close to xmas too... do you have all your shopping

done? Three

> years ago, I had a hysterectomy on the 21st of December, and they

let me go

> home xmas eve... what a fun xmas that was! I didn't have to cook

though,

> but it was so rushed, and I only had a couple of days notice, got my

> shopping done and wrapped just in time.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicki,

It wasn't so bad... I was a little drugged, but I managed. I have 3 kids...

so they helped a bit. I got nice presents too... but it certainly wasn't

like I could enjoy it to the fullest... Didn't even go out New Year's eve...

That surgery was a lot tougher to have than the c-toma surgery, but the

c-toma surgery took longer. I had a male nurse remove the catheter after

the hyst... that was interesting... they should have had female nurses for

gyn patients... but he was really nice.

Lynn

Re: Thanks!

>

> Unfortunately, I have to say that I have only a few presents

> purchased. We were out of town for Thanksgiving for five days and

> didn't get a chance to do any of the shopping I wanted to do.

> However, I do know what I'm going to get - it's just a matter of

> finding the time! I'm trying to get everything caught up at home and

> also trying to get a little ahead at work to prepare for my time off

> so I have to admit I'm a bit frazzled! I've always done the bulk of

> my shopping pretty much the week before Christmas so it's doubly hard

> trying to get it done. I figure that as long as I buy everything I

> need I can wrap while I'm stuck at home. I guess I can't spend all

> of my recooperative time playing video games, can I!

>

> I am also very fortunate that I am not really expected to cook, I

> usually only " help out " as I DETEST cooking - not that I mind eating

> the results! Did you finally get to enjoy your Christmas then?

>

> As to the " Friday the 13th " thing, my brother has always been

> particularly lucky on Friday the 13ths so I'm making sure I stay on

> his good side. I don't want him mad at me on his lucky day - there's

> no telling what might happen!

>

> Vickie

>

>

> > I forgot you were one of the " friday the 13th people " until you

> reminded

> > me... Very close to xmas too... do you have all your shopping

> done? Three

> > years ago, I had a hysterectomy on the 21st of December, and they

> let me go

> > home xmas eve... what a fun xmas that was! I didn't have to cook

> though,

> > but it was so rushed, and I only had a couple of days notice, got my

> > shopping done and wrapped just in time.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good luck on Friday Vickie.

I hope all goes well for you surgery.

Kim

> I just wanted to say thabks for all of the support. I know there

are

> at least a couple other people having surgery on Friday and it

helps

> to know there will be others thinking about us as we go through it.

>

> Vickie

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kim!

Vickie

> > I just wanted to say thabks for all of the support. I know there

> are

> > at least a couple other people having surgery on Friday and it

> helps

> > to know there will be others thinking about us as we go through

it.

> >

> > Vickie

[Guest guest]

Robin - good luck with the move! I don't envy you at allll.....

Take Care,

311/249/170

[Guest guest]

Hi Tricia,

You seem to know a lot about SSDI and other stuff soooooooooo....... I

haven't worked for almost forty years. Am I eligible for any help?

xxoo,

Carmen

[Guest guest]

Hello Everyone, Thank you for listening and understanding! I spent the day today

vacumming water from my finished basement. My husband unplugged the sump pump

and forgot to replug. Several inches of water, I picked up gallons and didn't

make a dent-the water still puddles around my shoes when I stand on the carpet.

My daughter has her 12th BD party on friday with 22 kids, I pray that it dries

out and doesn't smell too badly. I am still a mess emotionally-will call my doc

tomorrow. I think I will return to work in two weeks. I can't apply for SSDI

because I am a State employee and we don't pay into SS unfortunately-that's why

I pay into this disability insurance (scam). Will still pursue though as I am

only returning part time. I think I will do my job with more compassion and

understanding as I work with the chronically ill, after this experience! It is

tough dealing with $ stress in addition to health stress and everything else.

Thank you for being here for me-you are a wonderfulk bunch of people-I am so

lucky I have you. Love,

[Guest guest]

Hi Carmen,

I only know what we went through. Call your local SS office,

they will know. Looking forward to seeing you this summer,

and visiting more than a couple of hours. )

Hugs,

~tricia~

Wisc.

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Subject: Re: Thanks!

Hi Tricia,

You seem to know a lot about SSDI and other stuff soooooooooo....... I

haven't worked for almost forty years. Am I eligible for any help?

xxoo,

Carmen

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