Re: Re osteoarthritis

May 16, 2011

yes of course we want this info, . You are becoming a doctor of

eletro-medicine out there in cyberspace! nice work!

I will find a place for this in our files under arthritis.

bG

>

> BG,

>

> I am not sure if you want to post this.

>

> My sister in law has been having surgeries on her fingers for osteoarthritis.

She has had four fingers undergo surgery and the joints replaced with plastic.

Now this fingers are always straight and don't bend anymore.

>

> She came to me showing me a fifth finger with same signs as the four that

underwent surgery. I gave the electric treatment from a device V made for me,

with a switch to alternate and has 36 volts, for 15 mins. It dried the blister

and the finger did not need surgery anymore. Last month she came again with a

different finger needing attention, i did the same for 15 minutes and it dried

up. Today, she is coming yet with another finger, so i will do the 15 minutes

again and probably the wrist for blood purification. In short, every finger

treated with electric healed without needing surgery.

>

> Although i did not use our godzilla, this report i am sure can be used with

our godzilla but perhaps for a longer time.

>

May 16, 2011

,

Do you know the name of this device (if it has one)? How is it constructed; is it DC?

Sounds like a very good device to have access to. Perhaps we can replicate it and use it in other treatments.

Good post!

Jack

Re osteoarthritis

BG,

I am not sure if you want to post this.

My sister in law has been having surgeries on her fingers for osteoarthritis. She has had four fingers undergo surgery and the joints replaced with plastic. Now this fingers are always straight and don't bend anymore.

She came to me showing me a fifth finger with same signs as the four that underwent surgery. I gave the electric treatment from a device V made for me, with a switch to alternate and has 36 volts, for 15 mins. It dried the blister and the finger did not need surgery anymore. Last month she came again with a different finger needing attention, i did the same for 15 minutes and it dried up. Today, she is coming yet with another finger, so i will do the 15 minutes again and probably the wrist for blood purification. In short, every finger treated with electric healed without needing surgery.

Although i did not use our godzilla, this report i am sure can be used with our godzilla but perhaps for a longer time.

May 16, 2011

the device by V sounds like the first design we used here. V very kindly made

these devices and sold for reasonable cost. Now we make our own which do the

same thing. The 36 volts in the device is reduced down to about 6 volts by

things inside the device, so it really is identical in effect, use it all you

want.

I like the 36 volts idea but the use of all those batteries means a lot of

connections that can fail. It should not matter how many volts you start with

as long as you use resistors to reduce it down to about 6.

I have seen swollen fingers reduce 50 percent in an hour or so in a person with

rheumatoid arthritis. This was with a simple 6 volt battery, wire and sponges.

Quite wonderful, the fingers began to bend involuntarily and she could pick up a

glass of water again using the hand we treated. She had not been able to do

that in 5 years.

bG

> >

> > BG,

> >

> > I am not sure if you want to post this.

> >

> > My sister in law has been having surgeries on her fingers for

osteoarthritis. She has had four fingers undergo surgery and the joints

replaced with plastic. Now this fingers are always straight and don't bend

anymore.

> >

> > She came to me showing me a fifth finger with same signs as the four that

underwent surgery. I gave the electric treatment from a device V made for me,

with a switch to alternate and has 36 volts, for 15 mins. It dried the blister

and the finger did not need surgery anymore. Last month she came again with a

different finger needing attention, i did the same for 15 minutes and it dried

up. Today, she is coming yet with another finger, so i will do the 15 minutes

again and probably the wrist for blood purification. In short, every finger

treated with electric healed without needing surgery.

> >

> > Although i did not use our godzilla, this report i am sure can be used with

our godzilla but perhaps for a longer time.

> >

>

May 16, 2011

you will find a picture on 2 group, in menu/photos

section, along with comment on it.

It was an early design that used lots of voltage thought to be needed, but

turned out it did not need it. The 36 volts is a carryover from the devices

that used chips and the chips switched current automatically. These chips

needed at least 24 - 50 volts so you needed some number of 9 volt batteries to

power the chips. The output did not reach 36 volts, but dropped to around 6-7

volts in most cases, which is why I decided people could use 6 volt battery to

do the same thing if they were willing to switch the current themselves.

This device had a manual switch to reverse current. You turned down the knob to

reduce power, flipped the switch, and turned up the knob again slowly to avoid a

spike.

It has many fine results to its credit, but does not seem to be something people

will build by themselves, so it is not usable by the public. Making and selling

them is illegal of course due to health claims laws. If you don't make health

claims no one buys them, so it is a dead end, don't go there. V already tried

it, making and selling these things for about 40 dollars each. No longer done.

bG

>

> BG,

>

> I am not sure if you want to post this.

>

> My sister in law has been having surgeries on her fingers for osteoarthritis.

She has had four fingers undergo surgery and the joints replaced with plastic.

Now this fingers are always straight and don't bend anymore.

>

> She came to me showing me a fifth finger with same signs as the four that

underwent surgery. I gave the electric treatment from a device V made for me,

with a switch to alternate and has 36 volts, for 15 mins. It dried the blister

and the finger did not need surgery anymore. Last month she came again with a

different finger needing attention, i did the same for 15 minutes and it dried

up. Today, she is coming yet with another finger, so i will do the 15 minutes

again and probably the wrist for blood purification. In short, every finger

treated with electric healed without needing surgery.

>

> Although i did not use our godzilla, this report i am sure can be used with

our godzilla but perhaps for a longer time.

>

May 16, 2011

this reminds me of the old devices for dc electrotherapy

that in germany a company called "Moser Feinstrom"

did since 1896 or so. Inside the unit there is a big

battery for 24V or so. What really works here is the

current. Because of the high voltage and some

resistors in the device its possible to have nearly

constant current without need for a current regulator.

Just a knob is there regulating series resistance.

The current can be adjusted with a meter from 0 to 4mA.

100uA or 200uA is easy to read from the meter.

With a polarity switch the polarity can be changed.

There is a "night" position where the current is reduced.

Electrodes can be used in different sizes and forms

between hands, feet and other places. Current can

flow from feet to hands, from hand to hand and so on.

There are old book available explaining this approach.

I know one guy who got such an old system, had a

look at and built himself another one using a new

milliampmeter for 1 mA, some batteries, a switch

and resistor. So this does not seem to be so complicated.

Everyone is able to do.

Matthias

Am 16.05.2011 18:46, schrieb baby_grand:

you will find a picture on 2

group, in menu/photos section, along with comment on it.

It was an early design that used lots of voltage thought

to be needed, but turned out it did not need it. The 36

volts is a carryover from the devices that used chips and

the chips switched current automatically. These chips

needed at least 24 - 50 volts so you needed some number of

9 volt batteries to power the chips. The output did not

reach 36 volts, but dropped to around 6-7 volts in most

cases, which is why I decided people could use 6 volt

battery to do the same thing if they were willing to

switch the current themselves.

This device had a manual switch to reverse current. You

turned down the knob to reduce power, flipped the switch,

and turned up the knob again slowly to avoid a spike.

It has many fine results to its credit, but does not seem

to be something people will build by themselves, so it is

not usable by the public. Making and selling them is

illegal of course due to health claims laws. If you don't

make health claims no one buys them, so it is a dead end,

don't go there. V already tried it, making and selling

these things for about 40 dollars each. No longer done.

bG

>

> BG,

>

> I am not sure if you want to post this.

>

> My sister in law has been having surgeries on her

fingers for osteoarthritis. She has had four fingers

undergo surgery and the joints replaced with plastic. Now

this fingers are always straight and don't bend anymore.

>

> She came to me showing me a fifth finger with same

signs as the four that underwent surgery. I gave the

electric treatment from a device V made for me, with a

switch to alternate and has 36 volts, for 15 mins. It

dried the blister and the finger did not need surgery

anymore. Last month she came again with a different finger

needing attention, i did the same for 15 minutes and it

dried up. Today, she is coming yet with another finger, so

i will do the 15 minutes again and probably the wrist for

blood purification. In short, every finger treated with

electric healed without needing surgery.

>

> Although i did not use our godzilla, this report i am

sure can be used with our godzilla but perhaps for a

longer time.

>

May 16, 2011

Simple 6V with wires to pads. Manually switch either the pads or the clips every 5 mins. Easy ... super easy. No reason to make it harder. Making things more complicated only means more things to break down or not work right. In my opinion. So simple I can make one anywhere I go without needing anything complicated, everything is available at a local drug store, Target, Wal-Mart, etc. If I cannot find a 6V lantern battery I can just connect Cs or Ds in series.

I really like the KISS principle myself.

:-)

Thanks bG!!

Jaxi

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:46 AM, baby_grand <no_reply > wrote:

you will find a picture on 2 group, in menu/photos section, along with comment on it.

It was an early design that used lots of voltage thought to be needed, but turned out it did not need it. The 36 volts is a carryover from the devices that used chips and the chips switched current automatically. These chips needed at least 24 - 50 volts so you needed some number of 9 volt batteries to power the chips. The output did not reach 36 volts, but dropped to around 6-7 volts in most cases, which is why I decided people could use 6 volt battery to do the same thing if they were willing to switch the current themselves.

This device had a manual switch to reverse current. You turned down the knob to reduce power, flipped the switch, and turned up the knob again slowly to avoid a spike.It has many fine results to its credit, but does not seem to be something people will build by themselves, so it is not usable by the public. Making and selling them is illegal of course due to health claims laws. If you don't make health claims no one buys them, so it is a dead end, don't go there. V already tried it, making and selling these things for about 40 dollars each. No longer done.

bG>

>>>>>> BG,>> I am not sure if you want to post this.>> My sister in law has been having surgeries on her fingers for osteoarthritis. She has had four fingers undergo surgery and the joints replaced with plastic. Now this fingers are always straight and don't bend anymore.

>> She came to me showing me a fifth finger with same signs as the four that underwent surgery. I gave the electric treatment from a device V made for me, with a switch to alternate and has 36 volts, for 15 mins. It dried the blister and the finger did not need surgery anymore. Last month she came again with a different finger needing attention, i did the same for 15 minutes and it dried up. Today, she is coming yet with another finger, so i will do the 15 minutes again and probably the wrist for blood purification. In short, every finger treated with electric healed without needing surgery.

>> Although i did not use our godzilla, this report i am sure can be used with our godzilla but perhaps for a longer time.>> >------------------------------------

FAQ (frequently asked questions)Please check the following before asking questions that have already been answered. Our recorded answers are likely to be better.HOW-T0 in PHOTOS menu group webpage.SPECIFIC methods and TEST RESULTS in FILES menu group webpage

At this point, our experiment is not a treatment substitute, so do not abandon your normal medical care, or fail to seek competent medical treatment from licensed practitioners. We are completely non-commercial. By joining this group you agree to hold this group, including the moderator, harmless for real or apparent mishaps or any damages stemming from application (or misapplication) of the information. Results 8 years of people using this are in our menu/files section. No serious side effects have yet been reported, worst being mildly irriated skin from overuse. But please use the information at your own risk. Our designs aren't FDA approved or UL listed. TENS units delivering higher voltages than our designs could ever deliver are already approved by FDA.

Best of luck, Baby_grand (bob luhrs)

May 17, 2011

My thoughts exactly. I designed the thing at a Safeway store, thinking " what if

I was stuck in here and had to survive a bio-attack, could I do it using only

what I can find here? " The result is the thing we are now using.

bG

> > >

> > > BG,

> > >

> > > I am not sure if you want to post this.

> > >

> > > My sister in law has been having surgeries on her fingers for

> > osteoarthritis. She has had four fingers undergo surgery and the joints

> > replaced with plastic. Now this fingers are always straight and don't bend

> > anymore.

> > >

> > > She came to me showing me a fifth finger with same signs as the four that

> > underwent surgery. I gave the electric treatment from a device V made for

> > me, with a switch to alternate and has 36 volts, for 15 mins. It dried the

> > blister and the finger did not need surgery anymore. Last month she came

> > again with a different finger needing attention, i did the same for 15

> > minutes and it dried up. Today, she is coming yet with another finger, so i

> > will do the 15 minutes again and probably the wrist for blood purification.

> > In short, every finger treated with electric healed without needing

> > surgery.

> > >

> > > Although i did not use our godzilla, this report i am sure can be used

> > with our godzilla but perhaps for a longer time.

> > >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > FAQ (frequently asked questions)Please check the following before asking

> > questions that have already been answered. Our recorded answers are likely

> > to be better.

> >

> > HOW-T0 in PHOTOS menu group webpage.

> > SPECIFIC methods and TEST RESULTS in FILES menu group webpage

> >

> > At this point, our experiment is not a treatment substitute, so do not

> > abandon your normal medical care, or fail to seek competent medical

> > treatment from licensed practitioners. We are completely non-commercial.

> > By joining this group you agree to hold this group, including the

> > moderator, harmless for real or apparent mishaps or any damages stemming

> > from application (or misapplication) of the information. Results 8 years of

> > people using this are in our menu/files section. No serious side effects

> > have yet been reported, worst being mildly irriated skin from overuse. But

> > please use the information at your own risk. Our designs aren't FDA

> > approved or UL listed. TENS units delivering higher voltages than our

> > designs could ever deliver are already approved by FDA.

> > Best of luck, Baby_grand (bob luhrs)

May 17, 2011