Moderation

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Perhaps there is not as much wrong with you as you have been led to

believe. Sometimes psychiatrists and psychologists tell us we are

abnormal.

There is no such thing, in my mind, as normal or abnormal. Only

common and uncommon. Try to delight in who you are. Try to accept

who you are.

Tom

Administrator

Hello Nick.

No it is not pride. I need advice and/or direct help, such as

placement. But the advice or placements would not be appropriate

unless my situation was properly understood. But just the feeling of

being misunderstood is very lonely.

Zylon

[Guest guest]

Hi Zylon,

I have been trying to get some help and support where I live

(England) and I have been trying to get the correct/appropriate help

and support - easier said than done :-( I understand the areas I have

difficulties in and where I need help, but trying to get this across

to others and access the help is proving almost impossible, but I

haven't completely given up yet.

>

>

> Hello Nick.

> No it is not pride. I need advice and/or direct help, such as

> placement. But the advice or placements would not be appropriate

> unless my situation was properly understood. But just the feeling

of

> being misunderstood is very lonely.

>

> Zylon

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In a message dated 12/4/2006 11:08:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, mnmimi@... writes:

I was Born in New York and my father worked in the city very near the towers. I feel the waste of human life appaling but I never understood the dogged appeal of the loss of our icon of commerical superiority. The media focused on the wrong things in my opinion. It comes back to what is valuable in terms of humanity. Corperations are cash driven entities with no consideration for life.

I never cared about the loss of the commercial icon. They were nice buildings, but that's as far as that goes. What did arouse anger was that they were attacked at all, and because the attack was aimed at the whole country, not just those buildings. 9/11 was about the 4th attack on the buildings since the 1990s, attacks that had gone unanswered and thus encouraged the terrorists to do 9/11.

At any rate, we got very lucky. An hour later and there would have been some 20,000 people in those buildings and the death toll would have been much higher than it was.

Of course corporations are cash driven and not concerned about life. That is what they are: revenue generators. I'm not saying that corporations should treat their employees brutally or destroy the environment, but their main consideration is profit. There is this new idea that corporations should now act like mini welfare states and given lots of money to charity. That's a bad idea. Corporations should not be involved in charity because their money belongs to the investors, not the corporation, unless it is privately and/or family owned. If the board members, CEO and individual investors wish to give to charity, that is fine because the do it with their own money, but the corporation itself should not have to give money at all.

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>

> That is because it will confuse them to believe you, and they are

> used to people lying. The only feelings they can believe are either

> their own, or what they have been taught.

> I have severe problems in this area because even psychiatrists deny

> my feelings, especially about who I can love.

> Of all feelings, love is the one most prone to misunderstanding

> because the word " love " has been corrupted and made ambiguous.

> This results in several people who I love that will never know that I

> love them.

>

> Zylon

>

This statement strikes quite a cord with me!!! My feelings are not

sactioned by the court of Nt and so I cannot love whom I love. There

is a movie; The last unicorn. The hero loves a Unicorn that has been

turned into a human girl. He is told she is really a Unicorn. He

says ; " no Name you could give her suprises me, Socceress, fairy, etc I

love whom I love " But she will not love you when she is a Unicorn

again, and he restates " I love whom I love "

That was a beautiful movie to me for many reasons, but it strips the

view of deception. It was a touching fantasy about truth. mimi

[Guest guest]

not pride, fear and expected dissapointment. Hope in human exchange=

crushing misunderstanding.

That has been my case, mimi

[Guest guest]

not pride, fear and expected dissapointment. Hope in human exchange=

crushing misunderstanding.

That has been my case, mimi

[Guest guest]

One might think that I wouldn't but I very much agree with Nick. Human

life, values, truth are words. Far to often our very detractors are

guilty of being enormously unfeeling. I don't think it is ego

centrism. I was Born in New York and my father worked in the city very

near the towers. I feel the waste of human life appaling but I never

understood the dogged appeal of the loss of our icon of commerical

superiority. The media focused on the wrong things in my opinion. It

comes back to what is valuable in terms of humanity. Corperations are

cash driven entities with no consideration for life. Like has

expressed in prior posts, why do people feign emotion, and then point

fingers when you don't?

[Guest guest]

How many times does one reach out, just to get misunderstood yet

again? :-( Hope springs eternal though :-) even if at times I have to

look really hard to find it cowering in a corner refusing to come out

until it has licked it's wounds and is ready to try again :-)

>

> not pride, fear and expected dissapointment. Hope in human exchange=

> crushing misunderstanding.

>

> That has been my case, mimi

>

[Guest guest]

> I never cared about the loss of the commercial icon. They were

nice

yes I agree

What did arouse anger was that they were

> attacked at all, and because the attack was aimed at the whole

country, not

> just those buildings.

yes that was not lost on me. the terrorists were saying we can get

you where you are strongest

> Of course corporations are cash driven and not concerned about

life. That is

> what they are: revenue generators. I'm not saying that corporations

should

> treat their employees brutally or destroy the environment, but

their main

I don't want donations either but it is this statement of

yours. Consideration that people are organisms, we don't eat money

and we are not made of inorganic materials impervious to thier

machinations. sacrifice of human conditions to support business, any

business has to stop. We are already paying the price. look

companies make money-- ok make money but don't make the ink with my

families blood.

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In a message dated 12/4/2006 2:18:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, mnmimi@... writes:

I don't want donations either but it is this statement of yours. Consideration that people are organisms, we don't eat money and we are not made of inorganic materials impervious to thier machinations. sacrifice of human conditions to support business, any business has to stop. We are already paying the price. look companies make money-- ok make money but don't make the ink with my families blood.

I understand where you are coming from. However, the terrible conditions are largely a think of the past in the West, at least the US and Europe. There are some people who try to get around the law, like sweat shop operators and such, but they are eventually caught.

Companies can only go so far, however. Right now, Ford and GM are near collapse because of the generous benefits packages the unions have demanded over the years. Ford's debt alone is greater than many small countries. Boeing faces a similar problem. The unions keep demanding increases, even though every increase means thousands of workers laid off. Currently to work force is less than a quarter what it was 20 years ago and most of that was due to pay and benefit increases. Many smaller companies have failed because of labor and benefit costs or have gone overseas where labor is cheaper.

So there is a balance point between how well the corporation compensates its people and keeping the corporation alive and providing jobs.

Conditions are much better for workers now than they used to be. Just look into conditions up through about the 1930s and that is will show it, and just forget about the 1800s unless you want nightmares.

I agree that many things are rather expensive, but companies have costs to cover as well. The price is largely affected by the supply of their basic materials like wheat for bread and so on. If that price rises, so will the price of bread. It is the same with everything: as materials, labor and medical costs to the company rise, that is passed on to the consumer. Let's also not forget taxes and regulations. A lot of medium sized businesses are probably going to fail because of the new, post Enron accounting requirements, because will be very expensive for them compared to the big firms.

Now, I would agree that the toy industry is disreputable lot. The way they target their advertising to the kids borders on the unethical and it is designed to disrupt the peace of a home until the kid gets the toy.

[Guest guest]

Hello Nick and everyone,

Sorry if I gave the wrong impression, but I do understand my own feelings. I just can't get my therapists to understand and/or believe them. I am confortable with myself, but I have external needs which I am starving for.

The type of placement I need requires their understanding and/or belief.

To make a metaphore, I know what door to enter, but it is locked and I need someone to give me the key (because they own the door)..

I know I am not giving you all the imformation you need to understand what I am getting at, but I have learned to be afraid of revealing too much too soon., so some of my posts may appear cryptic.

But I do intend to reveal everything eventually.

Zylon

Re: Re: moderationIt happens and it's going to keep happening. The feelings I have I can't explain either. My latest theory is that they happened as a result of recurring focal seizures as a toddler although that's not proveable. I've found that all humans who are worth anything have unresolved issues, feelings etc.. Do you mean job placement? It is possible to get a job through Salvation Army and other places provided that you don't have a record and so forth. There are all sorts of people and most of them aren't at all worth talking to or listening to. They are wastes of human life, taking up space, spreading darkness. People were made to feel a sense of patriotism about sep.11 because somehow the people in that office building meant something to someone living in Colo-friggin-rado. I hate to say it because there are alot of sappy people who might lurk here but, I didn't feel a darn thing for what happened to "America as a whole from sep.11". I understood that it was a direct cause and effect relationship and the media bent it towards the muslims being savage and anti-women's rights. That's what they did with the Native Americans. It's a total lack of respect and brain-rape that's going on in the media and people just sit there and believe it because they don't want to face the inevitable reality that their lives are worth nothing and they will never be the ones to actually speak out because all their lives they never learned how to make a stand for themselves or for others. They are the silent zombies walking along, obeying all the rules and being afraid of everything. It looks like you have courage to not be a part of the colonies of people being told to go directly toward the slaughterhouse and willfully obeying because of lack of hope. Now what you need to do is realize that these psychiatrists only see you as an experiment and you are a farm animal to the major corporations and capitalists and advertisers. What you need is your feelings. Don't ever let them go.

[Guest guest]

Hello

Hello Tom and everyone,

Tom said:

>"Perhaps there is not as much wrong with you as you have been led to >believe. Sometimes psychiatrists and psychologists tell us we are >abnormal."

I knew I was profoundly different from NTs long before I ever saw a psychiatrist. In fact, they try to tell me that I am normal, until they understand and believe what I tell them. Then they are just stumped.

Abilities, desires, interests, all different. Intellectual, sexual, recreational, all different.

Even for my Asperger Dx, , "social problems" is too general, and "restricted interests" is not the problem.

Although I must say that in my perception, NTs are the ones with the riestricted interests: social and more social.

Zylon

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, that is exactly how I feel.

Zylon

Re: moderation>Hi Zylon,>>I have been trying to get some help and support where I live >(England) and I have been trying to get the correct/appropriate help >and support - easier said than done :-( I understand the areas I have >difficulties in and where I need help, but trying to get this across >to others and access the help is proving almost impossible, but I >haven't completely given up yet.>>>

[Guest guest]

Hello Mim and everyone

,

Mimi said:

>My feelings are not >sactioned by the court of Nt and so I cannot love whom I love. There >is a movie; The last unicorn. The hero loves a Unicorn that has been >turned into a human girl. He is told she is really a Unicorn. He >says ; "no Name you could give her suprises me, Socceress, fairy, etc I >love whom I love" But she will not love you when she is a Unicorn >again, and he restates "I love whom I love">

NTs have their own theory about who can love whom. They accept anyone who you know for a long time, (especially if they have been nice to you) or someone who you have reason to believe is your own offspring even without knowing them at all, such as a newborn baby. This is the normal instinct. In my case, I can love someone without knowing them at all, but instead of them being an offspring, they must have certain properties related to my instinct of love. And, since my instinct displaces the normal one, I do not feel instinctive love towards infants; in fact I instinctively find infants highly repulsive.

Whenever I tell a psychiatrist about who I love, they search their own minds for something familiar to them, and instead of accepting that it is instinctive in me, they try to find some secondary reason why I love them, such as that it must be a substitute for something that they understand. But it is not.

Zylon

[Guest guest]

Hello Mim and everyone

,

Mimi said:

>My feelings are not >sactioned by the court of Nt and so I cannot love whom I love. There >is a movie; The last unicorn. The hero loves a Unicorn that has been >turned into a human girl. He is told she is really a Unicorn. He >says ; "no Name you could give her suprises me, Socceress, fairy, etc I >love whom I love" But she will not love you when she is a Unicorn >again, and he restates "I love whom I love">

NTs have their own theory about who can love whom. They accept anyone who you know for a long time, (especially if they have been nice to you) or someone who you have reason to believe is your own offspring even without knowing them at all, such as a newborn baby. This is the normal instinct. In my case, I can love someone without knowing them at all, but instead of them being an offspring, they must have certain properties related to my instinct of love. And, since my instinct displaces the normal one, I do not feel instinctive love towards infants; in fact I instinctively find infants highly repulsive.

Whenever I tell a psychiatrist about who I love, they search their own minds for something familiar to them, and instead of accepting that it is instinctive in me, they try to find some secondary reason why I love them, such as that it must be a substitute for something that they understand. But it is not.

Zylon

[Guest guest]

Don't worry :-) I know, easier said than done :-)

" ...but I have learned to be afraid of revealing too much too soon.,

so some of my posts may appear cryptic.

But I do intend to reveal everything eventually. "

Reveal as little or as much as you want and please don't feel

pressured. I do not reveal everything and if I did not want to reveal

something and someone asked, I think I would just say I prefer not to

discuss it. Like there are things happening in my life that I prefer

not to discuss on the forums.

As for trying to get that key - yeah tough one - I haven't figured

out who got the key yet :-) I can see the door that might prove

useful for me, but I have told to go see someone else to obtain the

metaphorical key for that door - oh hum :-( and the others I have to

go through just happen to be social services :-( I doubt much will be

accomplished this year now - I will double my efforts come the new

year though :-) I have been trying to obtain this elusive key since

about April - so not exactly a quick process :-(

>

> Hello Nick and everyone,

> Sorry if I gave the wrong impression, but I do understand my own

feelings. I just can't get my therapists to understand and/or believe

them. I am confortable with myself, but I have external needs which I

am starving for.

> The type of placement I need requires their understanding and/or

belief.

> To make a metaphore, I know what door to enter, but it is locked

and I need someone to give me the key (because they own the door)..

> I know I am not giving you all the imformation you need to

understand what I am getting at, but I have learned to be afraid of

revealing too much too soon., so some of my posts may appear cryptic.

> But I do intend to reveal everything eventually.

>

> Zylon

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Censor

Noun

1. A person who is authorized to read publications or correspondence

or to watch theatrical performances and suppress in whole or in part

anything considered obscene or politically unacceptable.

Verb

1. Forbid the public distribution of; as of movies or newspapers.

2. Subject to political, religious, or moral censorship; " This

magazine is censored by the government " .

Moderate

Noun

1. A person who takes a position in the political center.

Verb

1. Preside over; " moderated the discussion " .

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> and it might make you feel better to write away your

> thoughts about the stupidity of the world. But don't

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You can also develop actual relationships with people here, so when you need an faster answer you can ask them personally. That's what I do when I need an answer fast and I don't feel like searching myself.~MattSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "Ingrid Blank" <enb1@...>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:40:47 +0200<no-forced-vaccination >Subject: RE: Moderation Your complaint has been duly noted. Please provide evidence of your allegations that you had " to wait days to see your message posted " . As one of the moderators of this list who - believe it or not actually do have personal and professional commitments outside this forum - I sincerely apologize for having failed to jump to your immediate attention and would appreciate it if you would repeat your " simple " question again. In order to prevent any further delays in this apparently " life or death " matter, I suggest that you embark on your own research on Google instead of waiting for others to hand you the answers to your simple questions on a platter. Ingrid Blank Moderator I just want to note that this moderation sucks. When you try to ask a simple question, it really sucks to have to wait days to see your message posted. ------------

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Your complaint has been duly noted. Please provide evidence of your

allegations that you had " to wait days to see your message posted " .

As one of the moderators of this list who - believe it or not actually do

have personal and professional commitments outside this forum - I sincerely

apologize for having failed to jump to your immediate attention and would

appreciate it if you would repeat your " simple " question again.

In order to prevent any further delays in this apparently " life or death "

matter, I suggest that you embark on your own research on Google instead of

waiting for others to hand you the answers to your simple questions on a

platter.

Ingrid Blank

Moderator

I just want to note that this moderation sucks. When you try to ask a

simple question, it really sucks to have to wait days to see your

message posted.

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Your complaint has been duly noted. Please provide evidence of your

allegations that you had " to wait days to see your message posted " .

As one of the moderators of this list who - believe it or not actually do

have personal and professional commitments outside this forum - I sincerely

apologize for having failed to jump to your immediate attention and would

appreciate it if you would repeat your " simple " question again.

In order to prevent any further delays in this apparently " life or death "

matter, I suggest that you embark on your own research on Google instead of

waiting for others to hand you the answers to your simple questions on a

platter.

Ingrid Blank

Moderator

I just want to note that this moderation sucks. When you try to ask a

simple question, it really sucks to have to wait days to see your

message posted.

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Most of these lists do not pre screen every message. They allow

people to exchange messages without investigating every word that is

said. Keep your sarcasm, lady, I don't need it.

>

>

> Your complaint has been duly noted. Please provide evidence of your

> allegations that you had " to wait days to see your message posted " .

> As one of the moderators of this list who - believe it or not

actually do

> have personal and professional commitments outside this forum - I

sincerely

> apologize for having failed to jump to your immediate attention

and would

> appreciate it if you would repeat your " simple " question again.

> In order to prevent any further delays in this apparently " life or

death "

> matter, I suggest that you embark on your own research on Google

instead of

> waiting for others to hand you the answers to your simple questions

on a

> platter.

>

> Ingrid Blank

> Moderator

>

>

>

> I just want to note that this moderation sucks. When you try to

ask a

> simple question, it really sucks to have to wait days to see your

> message posted.

>

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[Guest guest]

Most of these lists do not pre screen every message. They allow

people to exchange messages without investigating every word that is

said. Keep your sarcasm, lady, I don't need it.

>

>

> Your complaint has been duly noted. Please provide evidence of your

> allegations that you had " to wait days to see your message posted " .

> As one of the moderators of this list who - believe it or not

actually do

> have personal and professional commitments outside this forum - I

sincerely

> apologize for having failed to jump to your immediate attention

and would

> appreciate it if you would repeat your " simple " question again.

> In order to prevent any further delays in this apparently " life or

death "

> matter, I suggest that you embark on your own research on Google

instead of

> waiting for others to hand you the answers to your simple questions

on a

> platter.

>

> Ingrid Blank

> Moderator

>

>

>

> I just want to note that this moderation sucks. When you try to

ask a

> simple question, it really sucks to have to wait days to see your

> message posted.

>

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[Guest guest]

Well, , if you didn't need it, you would have contacted a moderator or the owner of the group personally and expressed your frustrations in a more mature fashion than posting a public comment with some petty words.