Re: Treatment and the drugs that go with it

June 11, 2002

I personally think youre fooling yourself taking all

that crap with this disease. Just like alcohol, drugs

contribute greatly to relapse (and there have been

studies on this). Since are chances are around 30% or

less, why would anyone want to go through this

treatment for say a 15% chance?

--- leighannv <no_reply > wrote:

> I recently received an email from someone asking

> about the effects

> of the " extra " drugs that are prescribed along with

> interferon and

> ribavirin. I responded to it and want to share that

> response with

> all of you, since the sender mentioned the

> groups in the

> email. I have removed the name of the sender in this

> to keep the

> person anonymous.

>

> The email talked about the sleeping aids,

> anti-depressants, and pain

> killers sometimes given for the side effects to

> treatment. While I

> would not advocate taking any of them, I will also

> say that I did

> take all of those. I no longer need any of them and

> am not taking

> any of them now. I would also recommend not taking

> just any over the

> counter meds instead. You need to be sure to talk to

> your dr about

> anything he prescribes and be sure it is the right

> thing for you and

> your liver.

>

> Dear Friend ~

> You also need to keep in mind that interferon is not

> considered a

> cure, and for most of us it is not anywhere close to

> one. What it

> does do is help slow down the progression to

> cirrhosis.

>

> Yes, all these " extra " drugs being administered will

> hurt the liver.

> BUT..on the other hand so will anything toxic you

> come into contact

> with. If taken at a low dosage, and for a short

> period of time, the

> chances of any of them causing permanent liver

> damage is very VERY

> small. Many people need the anti depressant while on

> treatment. This

> is not to say that the anti depressant is a

> permanent prescription

> for life. The treatment itself is toxic and can

> cause huge problems

> that these " extra " drugs are needed for. It all

> boils down to a

> matter of choice for each individual...do they take

> the treatment,

> and the " extra's " that MIGHT be needed....or do they

> risk further

> liver damage by doing nothing at all.

>

> It's a tough question to ask oneself but it is an

> individual choice.

> I for one, did take the anti-depressant while on

> treatment for 4

> straight years. Do I think it damaged my liver

> beyond repair....NO.

> Do I think I needed to take them...YES. Would I take

> them again if

> treatment caused me the same problems it did

> before...YES.

>

> To quote 2 cliches that seem to go hand in hand with

> this disease ~

>

> 1) All things in Moderation

> 2) Quality of life

>

> You have to consider both. Every single person who's

> dr advises

> Vicadin, and I would NEVER take that as it is just

> too strong a drug

> as well as very addicting, or anything stronger for

> the side effects

> should absolutely look at the pros and cons of these

> drugs. Same

> thing goes for the anti-depressants. With the

> treatment causing such

> bad depression is some folks, they take the drugs to

> keep themselves

> on treatment. To quit the anti-depressants could

> also mean they

> would have to quit treatment. Again, it's not a life

> time drug but a

> band-aid if you will to help them get through the 1

> yr treatment

> regime.

>

> By the way, none of these drugs are contraindicating

> to the

> interferon, while many of the " herbal " products that

> claim to do the

> same are.

>

> I am also going to post this email, without your

> name of course, on

> the group website. Thanks for pointing this

> out.

>

> LeighAnn

> http://www.geocities.com/1Leighann

>

June 11, 2002

I personally think youre fooling yourself taking all

that crap with this disease. Just like alcohol, drugs

contribute greatly to relapse (and there have been

studies on this). Since are chances are around 30% or

less, why would anyone want to go through this

treatment for say a 15% chance?

--- leighannv <no_reply > wrote:

> I recently received an email from someone asking

> about the effects

> of the " extra " drugs that are prescribed along with

> interferon and

> ribavirin. I responded to it and want to share that

> response with

> all of you, since the sender mentioned the

> groups in the

> email. I have removed the name of the sender in this

> to keep the

> person anonymous.

>

> The email talked about the sleeping aids,

> anti-depressants, and pain

> killers sometimes given for the side effects to

> treatment. While I

> would not advocate taking any of them, I will also

> say that I did

> take all of those. I no longer need any of them and

> am not taking

> any of them now. I would also recommend not taking

> just any over the

> counter meds instead. You need to be sure to talk to

> your dr about

> anything he prescribes and be sure it is the right

> thing for you and

> your liver.

>

> Dear Friend ~

> You also need to keep in mind that interferon is not

> considered a

> cure, and for most of us it is not anywhere close to

> one. What it

> does do is help slow down the progression to

> cirrhosis.

>

> Yes, all these " extra " drugs being administered will

> hurt the liver.

> BUT..on the other hand so will anything toxic you

> come into contact

> with. If taken at a low dosage, and for a short

> period of time, the

> chances of any of them causing permanent liver

> damage is very VERY

> small. Many people need the anti depressant while on

> treatment. This

> is not to say that the anti depressant is a

> permanent prescription

> for life. The treatment itself is toxic and can

> cause huge problems

> that these " extra " drugs are needed for. It all

> boils down to a

> matter of choice for each individual...do they take

> the treatment,

> and the " extra's " that MIGHT be needed....or do they

> risk further

> liver damage by doing nothing at all.

>

> It's a tough question to ask oneself but it is an

> individual choice.

> I for one, did take the anti-depressant while on

> treatment for 4

> straight years. Do I think it damaged my liver

> beyond repair....NO.

> Do I think I needed to take them...YES. Would I take

> them again if

> treatment caused me the same problems it did

> before...YES.

>

> To quote 2 cliches that seem to go hand in hand with

> this disease ~

>

> 1) All things in Moderation

> 2) Quality of life

>

> You have to consider both. Every single person who's

> dr advises

> Vicadin, and I would NEVER take that as it is just

> too strong a drug

> as well as very addicting, or anything stronger for

> the side effects

> should absolutely look at the pros and cons of these

> drugs. Same

> thing goes for the anti-depressants. With the

> treatment causing such

> bad depression is some folks, they take the drugs to

> keep themselves

> on treatment. To quit the anti-depressants could

> also mean they

> would have to quit treatment. Again, it's not a life

> time drug but a

> band-aid if you will to help them get through the 1

> yr treatment

> regime.

>

> By the way, none of these drugs are contraindicating

> to the

> interferon, while many of the " herbal " products that

> claim to do the

> same are.

>

> I am also going to post this email, without your

> name of course, on

> the group website. Thanks for pointing this

> out.

>

> LeighAnn

> http://www.geocities.com/1Leighann

>

June 11, 2002

Mark the NIH advises, and will come out with their new Consensus

Statement tomorrow on this issue, that anti-depressants WILL help

patients get through treatment.

Taking herbal remedies can be much more dangerous to the liver, and

as I stated, this isn't a life time prescription. It is to help

maintain a quazi-normal life while on treatment.

Just as with alcohol and drugs, the liver will re-generate after

these are removed from the system. If anti-depressants are taken

according to dosage, and again...moderation is the KEY word here,

they will NOT damage the liver to the extent you are advocating.

LeighAnn

June 11, 2002

Mark the NIH advises, and will come out with their new Consensus

Statement tomorrow on this issue, that anti-depressants WILL help

patients get through treatment.

Taking herbal remedies can be much more dangerous to the liver, and

as I stated, this isn't a life time prescription. It is to help

maintain a quazi-normal life while on treatment.

Just as with alcohol and drugs, the liver will re-generate after

these are removed from the system. If anti-depressants are taken

according to dosage, and again...moderation is the KEY word here,

they will NOT damage the liver to the extent you are advocating.

LeighAnn

June 11, 2002

I'm stating my opinion.....obviously from your

previous email you said you took anti depressants,

therefore you are rationalizing. Thats' fine but ALL

drugs are metabolized in the liver and all I am saying

is I will try and give my body the best chance to get

rid of this disease.

People think you're some kind of expert because you

have a web page and you're not. I read all the

depression from people on the newsgroups. I am

experiencing the side effects of the combo. Have you

told the people of the side effects from these various

anti depressants? Most of these doctors prescribing

this crap don't tell the side effects.

After being a cop in the ghettos of Chicago for many

years I see no difference between the so-called dope

dealers on the streets and these doctors (feel good).

What do they do when you go to them moaning and

groaning...write a script.

This peg combo is doing damage to our systems as well.

Many have their thyroid destroyed and have to take

thyroid medicine for the rest of their lives. I think

there are enough side effects with the peg and the

last thing I will put into my body is some other drugs

(with side effects) to counter act the side effects of

the peg.

I guess we could take an indefinite number of drugs to

counter act the side effects of all the drugs until

we're dead.

mark

--- leighannv <no_reply > wrote:

> Mark the NIH advises, and will come out with their

> new Consensus

> Statement tomorrow on this issue, that

> anti-depressants WILL help

> patients get through treatment.

>

> Taking herbal remedies can be much more dangerous to

> the liver, and

> as I stated, this isn't a life time prescription. It

> is to help

> maintain a quazi-normal life while on treatment.

>

> Just as with alcohol and drugs, the liver will

> re-generate after

> these are removed from the system. If

> anti-depressants are taken

> according to dosage, and again...moderation is the

> KEY word here,

> they will NOT damage the liver to the extent you are

> advocating.

>

> LeighAnn

>

June 11, 2002

I'm stating my opinion.....obviously from your

previous email you said you took anti depressants,

therefore you are rationalizing. Thats' fine but ALL

drugs are metabolized in the liver and all I am saying

is I will try and give my body the best chance to get

rid of this disease.

People think you're some kind of expert because you

have a web page and you're not. I read all the

depression from people on the newsgroups. I am

experiencing the side effects of the combo. Have you

told the people of the side effects from these various

anti depressants? Most of these doctors prescribing

this crap don't tell the side effects.

After being a cop in the ghettos of Chicago for many

years I see no difference between the so-called dope

dealers on the streets and these doctors (feel good).

What do they do when you go to them moaning and

groaning...write a script.

This peg combo is doing damage to our systems as well.

Many have their thyroid destroyed and have to take

thyroid medicine for the rest of their lives. I think

there are enough side effects with the peg and the

last thing I will put into my body is some other drugs

(with side effects) to counter act the side effects of

the peg.

I guess we could take an indefinite number of drugs to

counter act the side effects of all the drugs until

we're dead.

mark

--- leighannv <no_reply > wrote:

> Mark the NIH advises, and will come out with their

> new Consensus

> Statement tomorrow on this issue, that

> anti-depressants WILL help

> patients get through treatment.

>

> Taking herbal remedies can be much more dangerous to

> the liver, and

> as I stated, this isn't a life time prescription. It

> is to help

> maintain a quazi-normal life while on treatment.

>

> Just as with alcohol and drugs, the liver will

> re-generate after

> these are removed from the system. If

> anti-depressants are taken

> according to dosage, and again...moderation is the

> KEY word here,

> they will NOT damage the liver to the extent you are

> advocating.

>

> LeighAnn

>

June 11, 2002

Hi all from Charlie!!!!! I hope my E-mails help and inform. I made my educated

decision to aggresivly attack the Hep C with science and spirituality. Im

interested in only helping stop the spread of Hep C and someday help find a

cure. Science and medical facts are best left to experts,,( Hepatoligist and

Virologist, Gastrologist and some educated Dr.'s). Now that does not mean one

should not question, qualify, and become as informed as possible for ones own

strategy to cope with Hep C.

All the risks of modern therapies are stated Peg Intron is hard and anti

Depressants are helpful for some and not for others.

I feel they help me in my situation but respect all that don't agree.

I think this interaction from all sides of this incredibly complex issue is GOOD

and we will all learn.

I hope support is more the focus here and not " fact finding " but support and a

sense of commune so we all can stay positive.

I send everyone healing thoughts and positive energy.

Charlie

Re: Treatment and the drugs that go with

it

I'm stating my opinion.....obviously from your

previous email you said you took anti depressants,

therefore you are rationalizing. Thats' fine but ALL

drugs are metabolized in the liver and all I am saying

is I will try and give my body the best chance to get

rid of this disease.

People think you're some kind of expert because you

have a web page and you're not. I read all the

depression from people on the newsgroups. I am

experiencing the side effects of the combo. Have you

told the people of the side effects from these various

anti depressants? Most of these doctors prescribing

this crap don't tell the side effects.

After being a cop in the ghettos of Chicago for many

years I see no difference between the so-called dope

dealers on the streets and these doctors (feel good).

What do they do when you go to them moaning and

groaning...write a script.

This peg combo is doing damage to our systems as well.

Many have their thyroid destroyed and have to take

thyroid medicine for the rest of their lives. I think

there are enough side effects with the peg and the

last thing I will put into my body is some other drugs

(with side effects) to counter act the side effects of

the peg.

I guess we could take an indefinite number of drugs to

counter act the side effects of all the drugs until

we're dead.

mark

--- leighannv <no_reply > wrote:

> Mark the NIH advises, and will come out with their

> new Consensus

> Statement tomorrow on this issue, that

> anti-depressants WILL help

> patients get through treatment.

>

> Taking herbal remedies can be much more dangerous to

> the liver, and

> as I stated, this isn't a life time prescription. It

> is to help

> maintain a quazi-normal life while on treatment.

>

> Just as with alcohol and drugs, the liver will

> re-generate after

> these are removed from the system. If

> anti-depressants are taken

> according to dosage, and again...moderation is the

> KEY word here,

> they will NOT damage the liver to the extent you are

> advocating.

>

> LeighAnn

>

June 11, 2002

Hi all from Charlie!!!!! I hope my E-mails help and inform. I made my educated

decision to aggresivly attack the Hep C with science and spirituality. Im

interested in only helping stop the spread of Hep C and someday help find a

cure. Science and medical facts are best left to experts,,( Hepatoligist and

Virologist, Gastrologist and some educated Dr.'s). Now that does not mean one

should not question, qualify, and become as informed as possible for ones own

strategy to cope with Hep C.

All the risks of modern therapies are stated Peg Intron is hard and anti

Depressants are helpful for some and not for others.

I feel they help me in my situation but respect all that don't agree.

I think this interaction from all sides of this incredibly complex issue is GOOD

and we will all learn.

I hope support is more the focus here and not " fact finding " but support and a

sense of commune so we all can stay positive.

I send everyone healing thoughts and positive energy.

Charlie

Re: Treatment and the drugs that go with

it

I'm stating my opinion.....obviously from your

previous email you said you took anti depressants,

therefore you are rationalizing. Thats' fine but ALL

drugs are metabolized in the liver and all I am saying

is I will try and give my body the best chance to get

rid of this disease.

People think you're some kind of expert because you

have a web page and you're not. I read all the

depression from people on the newsgroups. I am

experiencing the side effects of the combo. Have you

told the people of the side effects from these various

anti depressants? Most of these doctors prescribing

this crap don't tell the side effects.

After being a cop in the ghettos of Chicago for many

years I see no difference between the so-called dope

dealers on the streets and these doctors (feel good).

What do they do when you go to them moaning and

groaning...write a script.

This peg combo is doing damage to our systems as well.

Many have their thyroid destroyed and have to take

thyroid medicine for the rest of their lives. I think

there are enough side effects with the peg and the

last thing I will put into my body is some other drugs

(with side effects) to counter act the side effects of

the peg.

I guess we could take an indefinite number of drugs to

counter act the side effects of all the drugs until

we're dead.

mark

--- leighannv <no_reply > wrote:

> Mark the NIH advises, and will come out with their

> new Consensus

> Statement tomorrow on this issue, that

> anti-depressants WILL help

> patients get through treatment.

>

> Taking herbal remedies can be much more dangerous to

> the liver, and

> as I stated, this isn't a life time prescription. It

> is to help

> maintain a quazi-normal life while on treatment.

>

> Just as with alcohol and drugs, the liver will

> re-generate after

> these are removed from the system. If

> anti-depressants are taken

> according to dosage, and again...moderation is the

> KEY word here,

> they will NOT damage the liver to the extent you are

> advocating.

>

> LeighAnn

>

June 14, 2002

Mark,

Hi,

My name is Dana. I am not an expert, but I do half to

take other medications. I go to a Nurologist to

perscribe these medications. He knows which ones

brake down mostly in the Kidneys versus the Liver.

The Anti-depressant I had to be on during treatment

due to suicidle thought and taking an overdose. I

know that they still effect the liver. But some

people have different reactions and tolerations due to

effects. I think that it is more, which is better for

that individual. If you are going to wind up

commiting suiside on treatment, perhaps and

anti-depressant is a better option. But a good Doctor

know which medicines brake down which way and test for

it. Dana

--- mark <arizdare@...> wrote:

> I'm stating my opinion.....obviously from your

> previous email you said you took anti depressants,

> therefore you are rationalizing. Thats' fine but

> ALL

> drugs are metabolized in the liver and all I am

> saying

> is I will try and give my body the best chance to

> get

> rid of this disease.

>

> People think you're some kind of expert because you

> have a web page and you're not. I read all the

> depression from people on the newsgroups. I am

> experiencing the side effects of the combo. Have

> you

> told the people of the side effects from these

> various

> anti depressants? Most of these doctors prescribing

> this crap don't tell the side effects.

>

> After being a cop in the ghettos of Chicago for many

> years I see no difference between the so-called dope

> dealers on the streets and these doctors (feel

> good).

> What do they do when you go to them moaning and

> groaning...write a script.

>

> This peg combo is doing damage to our systems as

> well.

> Many have their thyroid destroyed and have to take

> thyroid medicine for the rest of their lives. I

> think

> there are enough side effects with the peg and the

> last thing I will put into my body is some other

> drugs

> (with side effects) to counter act the side effects

> of

> the peg.

>

> I guess we could take an indefinite number of drugs

> to

> counter act the side effects of all the drugs until

> we're dead.

>

> mark

>

> --- leighannv <no_reply > wrote:

> > Mark the NIH advises, and will come out with their

> > new Consensus

> > Statement tomorrow on this issue, that

> > anti-depressants WILL help

> > patients get through treatment.

> >

> > Taking herbal remedies can be much more dangerous

> to

> > the liver, and

> > as I stated, this isn't a life time prescription.

> It

> > is to help

> > maintain a quazi-normal life while on treatment.

> >

> > Just as with alcohol and drugs, the liver will

> > re-generate after

> > these are removed from the system. If

> > anti-depressants are taken

> > according to dosage, and again...moderation is the

> > KEY word here,

> > they will NOT damage the liver to the extent you

> are

> > advocating.

> >

> > LeighAnn

> >

June 14, 2002

Mark,

Hi,

My name is Dana. I am not an expert, but I do half to

take other medications. I go to a Nurologist to

perscribe these medications. He knows which ones

brake down mostly in the Kidneys versus the Liver.

The Anti-depressant I had to be on during treatment

due to suicidle thought and taking an overdose. I

know that they still effect the liver. But some

people have different reactions and tolerations due to

effects. I think that it is more, which is better for

that individual. If you are going to wind up

commiting suiside on treatment, perhaps and

anti-depressant is a better option. But a good Doctor

know which medicines brake down which way and test for

it. Dana

--- mark <arizdare@...> wrote:

> I'm stating my opinion.....obviously from your

> previous email you said you took anti depressants,

> therefore you are rationalizing. Thats' fine but

> ALL

> drugs are metabolized in the liver and all I am

> saying

> is I will try and give my body the best chance to

> get

> rid of this disease.

>

> People think you're some kind of expert because you

> have a web page and you're not. I read all the

> depression from people on the newsgroups. I am

> experiencing the side effects of the combo. Have

> you

> told the people of the side effects from these

> various

> anti depressants? Most of these doctors prescribing

> this crap don't tell the side effects.

>

> After being a cop in the ghettos of Chicago for many

> years I see no difference between the so-called dope

> dealers on the streets and these doctors (feel

> good).

> What do they do when you go to them moaning and

> groaning...write a script.

>

> This peg combo is doing damage to our systems as

> well.

> Many have their thyroid destroyed and have to take

> thyroid medicine for the rest of their lives. I

> think

> there are enough side effects with the peg and the

> last thing I will put into my body is some other

> drugs

> (with side effects) to counter act the side effects

> of

> the peg.

>

> I guess we could take an indefinite number of drugs

> to

> counter act the side effects of all the drugs until

> we're dead.

>

> mark

>

> --- leighannv <no_reply > wrote:

> > Mark the NIH advises, and will come out with their

> > new Consensus

> > Statement tomorrow on this issue, that

> > anti-depressants WILL help

> > patients get through treatment.

> >

> > Taking herbal remedies can be much more dangerous

> to

> > the liver, and

> > as I stated, this isn't a life time prescription.

> It

> > is to help

> > maintain a quazi-normal life while on treatment.

> >

> > Just as with alcohol and drugs, the liver will

> > re-generate after

> > these are removed from the system. If

> > anti-depressants are taken

> > according to dosage, and again...moderation is the

> > KEY word here,

> > they will NOT damage the liver to the extent you

> are

> > advocating.

> >

> > LeighAnn

> >

June 14, 2002

Hi Charlie,

I AGREE 100%

Dana

--- chopps007 <chopps007@...> wrote:

> Hi all from Charlie!!!!! I hope my E-mails help and

> inform. I made my educated decision to aggresivly

> attack the Hep C with science and spirituality. Im

> interested in only helping stop the spread of Hep C

> and someday help find a cure. Science and medical

> facts are best left to experts,,( Hepatoligist and

> Virologist, Gastrologist and some educated Dr.'s).

> Now that does not mean one should not question,

> qualify, and become as informed as possible for ones

> own strategy to cope with Hep C.

> All the risks of modern therapies are stated Peg

> Intron is hard and anti Depressants are helpful for

> some and not for others.

> I feel they help me in my situation but respect all

> that don't agree.

>

> I think this interaction from all sides of this

> incredibly complex issue is GOOD and we will all

> learn.

> I hope support is more the focus here and not " fact

> finding " but support and a sense of commune so we

> all can stay positive.

>

> I send everyone healing thoughts and positive

> energy.

>

> Charlie

> Re: Treatment

> and the drugs that go with it

>

> I'm stating my opinion.....obviously from your

> previous email you said you took anti depressants,

> therefore you are rationalizing. Thats' fine but

> ALL

> drugs are metabolized in the liver and all I am

> saying

> is I will try and give my body the best chance to

> get

> rid of this disease.

>

> People think you're some kind of expert because

> you

> have a web page and you're not. I read all the

> depression from people on the newsgroups. I am

> experiencing the side effects of the combo. Have

> you

> told the people of the side effects from these

> various

> anti depressants? Most of these doctors

> prescribing

> this crap don't tell the side effects.

>

> After being a cop in the ghettos of Chicago for

> many

> years I see no difference between the so-called

> dope

> dealers on the streets and these doctors (feel

> good).

> What do they do when you go to them moaning and

> groaning...write a script.

>

> This peg combo is doing damage to our systems as

> well.

> Many have their thyroid destroyed and have to take

> thyroid medicine for the rest of their lives. I

> think

> there are enough side effects with the peg and the

> last thing I will put into my body is some other

> drugs

> (with side effects) to counter act the side

> effects of

> the peg.

>

> I guess we could take an indefinite number of

> drugs to

> counter act the side effects of all the drugs

> until

> we're dead.

>

> mark

>

> --- leighannv <no_reply > wrote:

> > Mark the NIH advises, and will come out with

> their

> > new Consensus

> > Statement tomorrow on this issue, that

> > anti-depressants WILL help

> > patients get through treatment.

> >

> > Taking herbal remedies can be much more

> dangerous to

> > the liver, and

> > as I stated, this isn't a life time

> prescription. It

> > is to help

> > maintain a quazi-normal life while on treatment.

> >

> > Just as with alcohol and drugs, the liver will

> > re-generate after

> > these are removed from the system. If

> > anti-depressants are taken

> > according to dosage, and again...moderation is

> the

> > KEY word here,

> > they will NOT damage the liver to the extent you

> are

> > advocating.

> >

> > LeighAnn

> >

June 14, 2002

Hi Charlie,

I AGREE 100%

Dana

--- chopps007 <chopps007@...> wrote:

> Hi all from Charlie!!!!! I hope my E-mails help and

> inform. I made my educated decision to aggresivly

> attack the Hep C with science and spirituality. Im

> interested in only helping stop the spread of Hep C

> and someday help find a cure. Science and medical

> facts are best left to experts,,( Hepatoligist and

> Virologist, Gastrologist and some educated Dr.'s).

> Now that does not mean one should not question,

> qualify, and become as informed as possible for ones

> own strategy to cope with Hep C.

> All the risks of modern therapies are stated Peg

> Intron is hard and anti Depressants are helpful for

> some and not for others.

> I feel they help me in my situation but respect all

> that don't agree.

>

> I think this interaction from all sides of this

> incredibly complex issue is GOOD and we will all

> learn.

> I hope support is more the focus here and not " fact

> finding " but support and a sense of commune so we

> all can stay positive.

>

> I send everyone healing thoughts and positive

> energy.

>

> Charlie

> Re: Treatment

> and the drugs that go with it

>

> I'm stating my opinion.....obviously from your

> previous email you said you took anti depressants,

> therefore you are rationalizing. Thats' fine but

> ALL

> drugs are metabolized in the liver and all I am

> saying

> is I will try and give my body the best chance to

> get

> rid of this disease.

>

> People think you're some kind of expert because

> you

> have a web page and you're not. I read all the

> depression from people on the newsgroups. I am

> experiencing the side effects of the combo. Have

> you

> told the people of the side effects from these

> various

> anti depressants? Most of these doctors

> prescribing

> this crap don't tell the side effects.

>

> After being a cop in the ghettos of Chicago for

> many

> years I see no difference between the so-called

> dope

> dealers on the streets and these doctors (feel

> good).

> What do they do when you go to them moaning and

> groaning...write a script.

>

> This peg combo is doing damage to our systems as

> well.

> Many have their thyroid destroyed and have to take

> thyroid medicine for the rest of their lives. I

> think

> there are enough side effects with the peg and the

> last thing I will put into my body is some other

> drugs

> (with side effects) to counter act the side

> effects of

> the peg.

>

> I guess we could take an indefinite number of

> drugs to

> counter act the side effects of all the drugs

> until

> we're dead.

>

> mark

>

> --- leighannv <no_reply > wrote:

> > Mark the NIH advises, and will come out with

> their

> > new Consensus

> > Statement tomorrow on this issue, that

> > anti-depressants WILL help

> > patients get through treatment.

> >

> > Taking herbal remedies can be much more

> dangerous to

> > the liver, and

> > as I stated, this isn't a life time

> prescription. It

> > is to help

> > maintain a quazi-normal life while on treatment.

> >

> > Just as with alcohol and drugs, the liver will

> > re-generate after

> > these are removed from the system. If

> > anti-depressants are taken

> > according to dosage, and again...moderation is

> the

> > KEY word here,

> > they will NOT damage the liver to the extent you

> are

> > advocating.

> >

> > LeighAnn

> >

June 14, 2002

I am not a expert either, but if it were not for my celexa, I would most likely

kill someone. I have had rages, for about a year now and My dr said it was

because of the hep C and liver damage. I had also hit a pedestrian who was

walking in the middle of the night on I-20 IN THE ROAD. that really got to me.

everyone said that he must have been caught in the draft from the truck as when

I saw him, I almost put us in the ditch trying to avoid him, my rig was not

damaged in any way, but I was still a instrument in his death, and that almost

made me quit driving. only I had to get back on the horse to pay for INS. so

sometimes u have to take a anti depressant!

CAROL

Dear Lord, Either Quiet The Waves

Or Lift Me Above Them;

It's Too Late To Learn To Swim.

Crowley

Re: Treatment and the drugs that go with

it

Mark,

Hi,

My name is Dana. I am not an expert, but I do half to

take other medications. I go to a Nurologist to

perscribe these medications. He knows which ones

brake down mostly in the Kidneys versus the Liver.

The Anti-depressant I had to be on during treatment

due to suicidle thought and taking an overdose. I

know that they still effect the liver. But some

people have different reactions and tolerations due to

effects. I think that it is more, which is better for

that individual. If you are going to wind up

commiting suiside on treatment, perhaps and

anti-depressant is a better option. But a good Doctor

know which medicines brake down which way and test for

it. Dana

--- mark <arizdare@...> wrote:

> I'm stating my opinion.....obviously from your

> previous email you said you took anti depressants,

> therefore you are rationalizing. Thats' fine but

> ALL

> drugs are metabolized in the liver and all I am

> saying

> is I will try and give my body the best chance to

> get

> rid of this disease.

>

> People think you're some kind of expert because you

> have a web page and you're not. I read all the

> depression from people on the newsgroups. I am

> experiencing the side effects of the combo. Have

> you

> told the people of the side effects from these

> various

> anti depressants? Most of these doctors prescribing

> this crap don't tell the side effects.

>

> After being a cop in the ghettos of Chicago for many

> years I see no difference between the so-called dope

> dealers on the streets and these doctors (feel

> good).

> What do they do when you go to them moaning and

> groaning...write a script.

>

> This peg combo is doing damage to our systems as

> well.

> Many have their thyroid destroyed and have to take

> thyroid medicine for the rest of their lives. I

> think

> there are enough side effects with the peg and the

> last thing I will put into my body is some other

> drugs

> (with side effects) to counter act the side effects

> of

> the peg.

>

> I guess we could take an indefinite number of drugs

> to

> counter act the side effects of all the drugs until

> we're dead.

>

> mark

>

> --- leighannv <no_reply > wrote:

> > Mark the NIH advises, and will come out with their

> > new Consensus

> > Statement tomorrow on this issue, that

> > anti-depressants WILL help

> > patients get through treatment.

> >

> > Taking herbal remedies can be much more dangerous

> to

> > the liver, and

> > as I stated, this isn't a life time prescription.

> It

> > is to help

> > maintain a quazi-normal life while on treatment.

> >

> > Just as with alcohol and drugs, the liver will

> > re-generate after

> > these are removed from the system. If

> > anti-depressants are taken

> > according to dosage, and again...moderation is the

> > KEY word here,

> > they will NOT damage the liver to the extent you

> are

> > advocating.

> >

> > LeighAnn

> >

June 14, 2002