Re: AFP, Shaman, car crashing around

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AFP is alpha feto protien, in adults it's a tumor marker. When elevated, or

rather, when in sharp elevation it is an indicator that tumors may be

starting or growing. Primarily, as I understand, liver and prostate cancers.

What is your interest in shamanism?

I find " car crashes " as entertainment not very interesting. I have other

types of risky behavior that I find of interest. Perhaps the fellas here

might have some knowledge.

Sally

AFP, Shaman, car crashing around

....AFP: what's that???

....the shaman thing sounds potentially interesting???

.... Cronenberg did a movie called " Crash " i think a Canadian release

(not to be confused with the current USA release which is totally a

different thing) about a cult/club that formed up with members who get off

on being in car crashes. i've never seen it but am looking to buy it when

it turns up affordable based on what i've read (probably on www.imdb.com).

there's nobody like Cronenberg.

bobL

> -----Original Message-----

>

> Oh, I found out last week that in the past 8 months my AFP went from

> 7.2 to over 19. I know that's not critically high, but it turns out

> it's the sudden

> increase that's the warning. So that's why they got the CT scan. Scan was

> clear. I see the GastroVet on Tuesday, and will discuss possible

> treatment.

> Also gotta discuss a colonoscopy. BoyHowdy, that's something I'm really

>

>

> >

> > And then there's the Shaman thing. I don't consider that a mental

> illness,

> > but some probably would.

>

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....replies below preceded by a few " ... "

> -----Original Message-----

> AFP is alpha feto protien, in adults it's a tumor marker. When

> elevated, or

> rather, when in sharp elevation it is an indicator that tumors may be

> starting or growing. Primarily, as I understand, liver and

> prostate cancers.

....thanks. a DIY home test kit would be neato.

maybe it's time for a shark cartilage regimen for awhile to choke off their

ability to form a nutrient supply?

> What is your interest in shamanism?

....occult refs are always worth at least looking at. in your mention i

thought i'd probably missed something more in previous posts on the subject.

certain events happened in vietnam that have left me to always

wonder/question the truth of the " reality " i appear to be " living " in & how

to deal with it or at least determine the correct way out. i became

somewhat familiar with astrology from Rosicrucian books growing up, & after

separating from the army at least in active duty sense & trying to survive

life in the USA through the culture wars of L.A in the late 60's - early

70's i spent a lot of time/energy on astrology ( & the rest at the Church of

Light), very intently into castaneda's first 5 books despite the obvious BS

included; Blavatsky, hall, bailey, etc etc etc, over years.

> I find " car crashes " as entertainment not very interesting.

....neither do i, except the movie is likely to be great. people's twisted

minds as really exist & then how Cronenberg develops them in movies can be

most interesting. many members of younger generations are getting weirder

every day as the combined stresses of living on a crowded poisoned planet

stuck within a rat-race to oblivion prevailing set of social values gets

harder to find & maintain decent ways to live.

I have other

> types of risky behavior that I find of interest. Perhaps the fellas here

> might have some knowledge.

>

> Sally

>

[Guest guest]

Thalidomide also works to keep new blood vessels from

forming to support cancerous growth.

You might try that too.

Michele

--- bob Larson <bobLists@...> wrote:

> ...replies below preceded by a few " ... "

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > AFP is alpha feto protien, in adults it's a tumor

> marker. When

> > elevated, or

> > rather, when in sharp elevation it is an indicator

> that tumors may be

> > starting or growing. Primarily, as I understand,

> liver and

> > prostate cancers.

>

> ...thanks. a DIY home test kit would be neato.

> maybe it's time for a shark cartilage regimen for

> awhile to choke off their

> ability to form a nutrient supply?

>

>

> > What is your interest in shamanism?

>

> ...occult refs are always worth at least looking at.

> in your mention i

> thought i'd probably missed something more in

> previous posts on the subject.

> certain events happened in vietnam that have left me

> to always

> wonder/question the truth of the " reality " i appear

> to be " living " in & how

> to deal with it or at least determine the correct

> way out. i became

> somewhat familiar with astrology from Rosicrucian

> books growing up, & after

> separating from the army at least in active duty

> sense & trying to survive

> life in the USA through the culture wars of L.A in

> the late 60's - early

> 70's i spent a lot of time/energy on astrology ( &

> the rest at the Church of

> Light), very intently into castaneda's first 5 books

> despite the obvious BS

> included; Blavatsky, hall, bailey, etc etc etc, over

> years.

>

>

> > I find " car crashes " as entertainment not very

> interesting.

>

> ...neither do i, except the movie is likely to be

> great. people's twisted

> minds as really exist & then how Cronenberg develops

> them in movies can be

> most interesting. many members of younger

> generations are getting weirder

> every day as the combined stresses of living on a

> crowded poisoned planet

> stuck within a rat-race to oblivion prevailing set

> of social values gets

> harder to find & maintain decent ways to live.

>

> I have other

> > types of risky behavior that I find of interest.

> Perhaps the fellas here

> > might have some knowledge.

> >

> > Sally

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Crash was on TV last night so I watched most of it.

Kinda slow in spots, but for the most part,

perversly fascinating. But that's Cronenberg, right?

Michele

--- bob Larson <bobLists@...> wrote:

>

> ...AFP: what's that???

> ...the shaman thing sounds potentially

> interesting???

> ... Cronenberg did a movie called " Crash " i

> think a Canadian release

> (not to be confused with the current USA release

> which is totally a

> different thing) about a cult/club that formed up

> with members who get off

> on being in car crashes. i've never seen it but am

> looking to buy it when

> it turns up affordable based on what i've read

> (probably on www.imdb.com).

> there's nobody like Cronenberg.

>

> bobL

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> >

> > Oh, I found out last week that in the past 8

> months my AFP went

> > from 7.2 to

> > over 19. I know that's not critically high, but it

> turns out it's

> > the sudden

> > increase that's the warning. So that's why they

> got the CT scan. Scan was

> > clear. I see the GastroVet on Tuesday, and will

> discuss possible

> > treatment.

> > Also gotta discuss a colonoscopy. BoyHowdy, that's

> something I'm really

> >

> >

> > >

> > > And then there's the Shaman thing. I don't

> consider that a mental

> > illness,

> > > but some probably would.

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

....i'll stick with the sharks...safer than anything invented/produced by a

drug company, many good sides none bad.

> -----Original Message-----

>

> Thalidomide also works to keep new blood vessels from

> forming to support cancerous growth.

> You might try that too.

>

> Michele

>

>

[Guest guest]

....right! i hardly ever go to theatres but might make an exception to see

" the history of violence " that he has out now & is getting good reviews for.

> -----Original Message-----

>

> Crash was on TV last night so I watched most of it.

> Kinda slow in spots, but for the most part,

> perversly fascinating. But that's Cronenberg, right?

>

> Michele

>

> --- bob Larson <bobLists@...> wrote:

[Guest guest]

I think " Histoty " is out on DVD, you can probably rent

it. I want to see it too.

Michele

--- bob Larson <bobLists@...> wrote:

> ...right! i hardly ever go to theatres but might

> make an exception to see

> " the history of violence " that he has out now & is

> getting good reviews for.

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> >

> > Crash was on TV last night so I watched most of

> it.

> > Kinda slow in spots, but for the most part,

> > perversly fascinating. But that's Cronenberg,

> right?

> >

> > Michele

> >

> > --- bob Larson <bobLists@...> wrote:

>

>

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[Guest guest]

But that's the ironic thing: Thalidomide was

prescribed in the 50's as a sedative for pregnant

women, and the side effect was that babies were born

without arms and/or legs because the drug kept them

from forming. So the tumor retardant effect is

actually a side effect. Now the side effect would be

you sleep well, I suppose. . . It sure worked well on

my mother's ovarian cancer for awhile.

Michele

--- bob Larson <bobLists@...> wrote:

> ...i'll stick with the sharks...safer than anything

> invented/produced by a

> drug company, many good sides none bad.

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> >

> > Thalidomide also works to keep new blood vessels

> from

> > forming to support cancerous growth.

> > You might try that too.

> >

> > Michele

> >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Michele,

Yeah, with the HCV a side effect of sleeping well would not be a bad thing.

So far no tumors, though. See the hepVet tomorrow.

Sally

RE: AFP, Shaman, car crashing around

But that's the ironic thing: Thalidomide was

prescribed in the 50's as a sedative for pregnant

women, and the side effect was that babies were born

without arms and/or legs because the drug kept them

from forming. So the tumor retardant effect is

actually a side effect. Now the side effect would be

you sleep well, I suppose. . . It sure worked well on

my mother's ovarian cancer for awhile.

Michele

--- bob Larson <bobLists@...> wrote:

> ...i'll stick with the sharks...safer than anything invented/produced

> by a drug company, many good sides none bad.

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> >

> > Thalidomide also works to keep new blood vessels

> from

> > forming to support cancerous growth.

> > You might try that too.

> >

> > Michele

> >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

....it's got some uses against leprosy also, as i fuzzily recall.

i avoid anything whatsoever from the drug co.'s as best i can.

the prozac generation crashing as a group is going to be a very nasty

thing...looking forward to not being around for that.

> RE: AFP, Shaman, car crashing

> around

>

>

> But that's the ironic thing: Thalidomide was

> prescribed in the 50's as a sedative for pregnant

> women, and the side effect was that babies were born

> without arms and/or legs because the drug kept them

> from forming. So the tumor retardant effect is

> actually a side effect. Now the side effect would be

> you sleep well, I suppose. . . It sure worked well on

> my mother's ovarian cancer for awhile.

>

> Michele

>

>

> --- bob Larson <bobLists@...> wrote:

>

> > ...i'll stick with the sharks...safer than anything

> > invented/produced by a

> > drug company, many good sides none bad.

> >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > >

> > > Thalidomide also works to keep new blood vessels

> > from

> > > forming to support cancerous growth.

> > > You might try that too.

> > >

> > > Michele

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

That's what I think. I have the end-stage-cirrhosis

sleep reversal thing going on, so I really have a hard

time going to sleep at night. I take Ambien,

melatonin, and benadryl and usually nod off around

2am, then have trouble getting up before 2pm. So

sleeping more " regular " hours would help my social

life.

Good luck with the HepGod tomorrow, let us know how it

goes, oK?

Michele

--- Sally Hines <shines@...> wrote:

> Hi Michele,

>

> Yeah, with the HCV a side effect of sleeping well

> would not be a bad thing.

> So far no tumors, though. See the hepVet tomorrow.

>

> Sally

>

> RE: AFP,

> Shaman, car crashing around

>

>

> But that's the ironic thing: Thalidomide was

> prescribed in the 50's as a sedative for pregnant

> women, and the side effect was that babies were born

> without arms and/or legs because the drug kept them

> from forming. So the tumor retardant effect is

> actually a side effect. Now the side effect would be

> you sleep well, I suppose. . . It sure worked well

> on

> my mother's ovarian cancer for awhile.

>

> Michele

>

>

> --- bob Larson <bobLists@...> wrote:

>

> > ...i'll stick with the sharks...safer than

> anything invented/produced

> > by a drug company, many good sides none bad.

> >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > >

> > > Thalidomide also works to keep new blood vessels

> > from

> > > forming to support cancerous growth.

> > > You might try that too.

> > >

> > > Michele

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Michele,

I will, thanks. And you have a social life? Tell me, what's it like?

Sally

RE: AFP,

> Shaman, car crashing around

>

>

> But that's the ironic thing: Thalidomide was

> prescribed in the 50's as a sedative for pregnant

> women, and the side effect was that babies were born

> without arms and/or legs because the drug kept them

> from forming. So the tumor retardant effect is

> actually a side effect. Now the side effect would be

> you sleep well, I suppose. . . It sure worked well

> on

> my mother's ovarian cancer for awhile.

>

> Michele

>

>

> --- bob Larson <bobLists@...> wrote:

>

> > ...i'll stick with the sharks...safer than

> anything invented/produced

> > by a drug company, many good sides none bad.

> >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > >

> > > Thalidomide also works to keep new blood vessels

> > from

> > > forming to support cancerous growth.

> > > You might try that too.

> > >

> > > Michele

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I'd see my sister occasionally if I got up

earlier - she leaves for work at about 2pm. The rest

of my " social life " is wishful thinking. Actually,

I've been here in So California almost 3 years, and

the people I know the best are either my sister's

friends (who have to be nice to me for her sake) or

the people that work at the Border's book store. I go

there once a week or so, read magazines in the lounge

and buy more books than I can afford but hell, I'm a

sick woman and should have something to make me happy

besides my cats, right?

Michele

--- Sally Hines <shines@...> wrote:

> Michele,

>

> I will, thanks. And you have a social life?

> Tell me, what's it like?

>

> Sally

>

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[Guest guest]

Absolutely, Michele! I look forward to books again. Right now I'm putting

magazine recipes into a recipe software program to share with a recipe list.

My days are sad.

I did have dinner with my girlfriend tonight. I almost didn't. I almost

thought it wasn't even worth the bother. I'm still pretty down, but it *was*

nice to see her. And dinner was stupendous! Went to India Palace and had

Chicken Tikki Masala. Reminds me of a truck commercial. But some garbanzo

balls (I didn't even know they had balls) with some great sauce put me in

mind of the Falafal of my youth. So all in all it was good. And I got to

bring home the leftovers.

And that's the extent of my socialization for the year.

Sally

RE: AFP, Shaman, car crashing around

Well, I'd see my sister occasionally if I got up

earlier - she leaves for work at about 2pm. The rest

of my " social life " is wishful thinking. Actually,

I've been here in So California almost 3 years, and

the people I know the best are either my sister's

friends (who have to be nice to me for her sake) or

the people that work at the Border's book store. I go

there once a week or so, read magazines in the lounge

and buy more books than I can afford but hell, I'm a

sick woman and should have something to make me happy

besides my cats, right?

Michele

--- Sally Hines <shines@...> wrote:

> Michele,

>

> I will, thanks. And you have a social life?

> Tell me, what's it like?

>

> Sally

>

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[Guest guest]

Yup, it's you and me in that boat, babe. At least we

have eachother's company, hey?

Michele

--- Sally Hines <shines@...> wrote:

> Absolutely, Michele! I look forward to books again.

> Right now I'm putting

> magazine recipes into a recipe software program to

> share with a recipe list.

> My days are sad.

>

> I did have dinner with my girlfriend tonight. I

> almost didn't. I almost

> thought it wasn't even worth the bother. I'm still

> pretty down, but it *was*

> nice to see her. And dinner was stupendous! Went to

> India Palace and had

> Chicken Tikki Masala. Reminds me of a truck

> commercial. But some garbanzo

> balls (I didn't even know they had balls) with some

> great sauce put me in

> mind of the Falafal of my youth. So all in all it

> was good. And I got to

> bring home the leftovers.

>

> And that's the extent of my socialization for the

> year.

>

> Sally

>

> RE: AFP,

> Shaman, car crashing around

>

>

> Well, I'd see my sister occasionally if I got up

> earlier - she leaves for work at about 2pm. The rest

> of my " social life " is wishful thinking. Actually,

> I've been here in So California almost 3 years, and

> the people I know the best are either my sister's

> friends (who have to be nice to me for her sake) or

> the people that work at the Border's book store. I

> go

> there once a week or so, read magazines in the

> lounge

> and buy more books than I can afford but hell, I'm a

> sick woman and should have something to make me

> happy

> besides my cats, right?

>

> Michele

>

> --- Sally Hines <shines@...> wrote:

>

> > Michele,

> >

> > I will, thanks. And you have a social life?

> > Tell me, what's it like?

> >

> > Sally

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Michelel,

Missed you.

Unlike you guys I have a big social life and am going for blood

testing tomorrow and realy looking forward to it.

Just mentioned it so you would be envious...

Mike

> >

> > > Michele,

> > >

> > > I will, thanks. And you have a social life?

> > > Tell me, what's it like?

> > >

> > > Sally

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hey Mike!

I get to see my hepvet and " request " a colonoscopy. That's got me really

excited. <not> And I also get to stop by my PCP and grab a B-12 injection

for the dementia and other fun things.

Sally

Re: AFP, Shaman, car crashing around

Michelel,

Missed you.

Unlike you guys I have a big social life and am going for blood

testing tomorrow and realy looking forward to it.

Just mentioned it so you would be envious...

Mike

> >

> > > Michele,

> > >

> > > I will, thanks. And you have a social life?

> > > Tell me, what's it like?

> > >

> > > Sally

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sally,

Sounds like fun. Mind if I tag along?

Night,

Mike

> > >

> > > > Michele,

> > > >

> > > > I will, thanks. And you have a social life?

> > > > Tell me, what's it like?

> > > >

> > > > Sally

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________

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> > > http://brand./cybergivingweek2005/

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Mine signed me up for a colonoscopy as well, later this month. Must

be part of a promotion I suppose. Funny how I am looking forward to

it as well, not like we're gonna be engaged or anything though, he's

really not my type.

Rob

> > >

> > > > Michele,

> > > >

> > > > I will, thanks. And you have a social life?

> > > > Tell me, what's it like?

> > > >

> > > > Sally

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Rob,

It is a big promotion just don't let em put anything in you drink. I

woke up 2 hours after I went for and enoscopy and was a bit sore

suspect " date rape "

Mike

> > > >

> > > > > Michele,

> > > > >

> > > > > I will, thanks. And you have a social life?

> > > > > Tell me, what's it like?

> > > > >

> > > > > Sally

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the advice Mike. Actually it will be my first cheap thrill

in a while. As long as I wake up, anything goes.

Rob

> > > > >

> > > > > > Michele,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will, thanks. And you have a social life?

> > > > > > Tell me, what's it like?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sally

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > __________________________________

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Rob,

Unfortunately unlike an endoscopy, they don't put you out. For the

colonoscopy you'r wide awake but at least it's not for a real long

time just seems that way.

I have a whirlwind social life this week as usual:

Today: Visit the vampire for blood draw and if I feel good (unlikely)

a haircut and eyebrow trim.

Wednedsday: Marriage Counceling Torture and then Shrink Visit

Thursday - Sunday: Fight with seperated wife every night over child

support and other miscelaneous items as required.

Can't sleep for shit think it's the seperation not the chemo anymore

but hard to tell. Wish I was not so anemic cause some excercise

would be good for me but just going to the docs whears me down.

Mike

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Michele,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will, thanks. And you have a social life?

> > > > > > > Tell me, what's it like?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sally

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > __________________________________

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

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