religious exemption question

[Guest guest]

At 07:25 PM 02/26/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>I intend to file for religious exemption for my 16 mos old son (NJ).

>If I wanted my son to have a vaccination at a later date (tetanus)

>would I be forefeiting my exemption? Thank you in advance for any

>information. Also, my drs are in NY and I live in NJ do I need to

>file in both states of just the state where my children live and are

>schooled? I am concerned that future children would be vaccinated in

>the hospital without my consent.

>THanks again.

>

>**Apologies if this is duped - this is my 3rd attempt to post.

>

YOu only need an exemption for school There is no way the school knows

your child's vaccination record.

But I would think seriously about tetanus vaccine (a very dangerous one).

I've had many many letters about severe reactions after the tetanus

vacccine in the last year.

You just ifle with the school in the state you are in.

You NEVER allow your newborn to be alone EVER in the hospital. A third

person besides you and your husband must be present and watching.

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

>

> YOu only need an exemption for school There is no way the school

knows

> your child's vaccination record.

> But I would think seriously about tetanus vaccine (a very dangerous

one).

> I've had many many letters about severe reactions after the tetanus

> vacccine in the last year.

*****My husband is from Ecuador and we visit 2x/year. He also travels

for business in Latin America once a month and we intend to go with

him. Neustaedter's vaccine guide book suggested considering tetanus

if you visit third world countries so that's where that idea came

from. I've got to get moving on getting established with a homeopath

in my area and discussing some of these issues with them as well. For

possible tetanus do you recommend homeopathic remedies then or is the

TIG acceptable?

>

> You just ifle with the school in the state you are in.

> You NEVER allow your newborn to be alone EVER in the hospital. A

third

> person besides you and your husband must be present and watching.

> Sheri

*********What about at night when they are in the nursery just with

the nurses? Sorry if this is a stupid question! I think I must have

misunderstood your meaning there! With my son, he stayed in my room

most of the time but went back for bathing, weighing, etc.

One more question, if I may...is there (miraculously) a list of

pediatricians available that are understanding about non-vax (NJ)? My

current ped lied to me and tried to make me get the chicken pox

vaccine telling me it was mandatory. Had I not already done my

homework my son would have been vaxed.

OT - your homeopath class - is it daily or can I go at my own pace if

I sign up? Don't have much time with my 16 mos old and dh being gone

so much.

Thanks again!

> --------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

At 12:09 AM 02/26/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>If I file and receive religious exemption for my child in the state

>of NJ, does that mean that he can NEVER be vaccinated with my consent

>(say tetanus) without risking our exemption?

>I appreciate any information or direction in finding the information.

>

>

>

No, there is no way anyone knows what you do.

Your religious exemption is for the school

Buty why would you want any vaccintion INCLUDING tetanus -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm

I get so many emails from damaged people and that vaccine

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers

Education, Homeopathic Education

CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

Last year I got religious exemptions for my kids for the first time. Up until then they were updated on all shots. This year I went to the Health Department to get updated exemption forms and thought to myself, if they or anyone asks me why, what would I say? I'm NOT religious, far from it actually, and the only way to get an exemption  in Virginia is with a religious exemption form. What do I say to anyone who asks me what my reasons are? or whats my religion?

[Guest guest]

they don't ask and they can't ask according to the law there

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/virginia.aspx

http://www.vdh.state.va.us/epidemiology/immunization/documents/SchoolRegulations/cre_1.pdf

here is the form for VA

you don' t have to go to the health department

Just sign it - no one can ask you questions. If they do, ask them

to show you the law that says you have to explain.

Sheri

At 06:24 AM 3/28/2011, you wrote:

Last year I got religious exemptions for my kids for the first time. Up

until then they were updated on all shots. This year I went to the Health

Department to get updated exemption forms and thought to myself, if they

or anyone asks me why, what would I say? I'm NOT religious, far from it

actually, and the only way to get an exemption in Virginia is with

a religious exemption form. What do I say to anyone who asks me what my

reasons are? or whats my religion?

[Guest guest]

they don't ask and they can't ask according to the law there

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/virginia.aspx

http://www.vdh.state.va.us/epidemiology/immunization/documents/SchoolRegulations/cre_1.pdf

here is the form for VA

you don' t have to go to the health department

Just sign it - no one can ask you questions. If they do, ask them

to show you the law that says you have to explain.

Sheri

At 06:24 AM 3/28/2011, you wrote:

Last year I got religious exemptions for my kids for the first time. Up

until then they were updated on all shots. This year I went to the Health

Department to get updated exemption forms and thought to myself, if they

or anyone asks me why, what would I say? I'm NOT religious, far from it

actually, and the only way to get an exemption in Virginia is with

a religious exemption form. What do I say to anyone who asks me what my

reasons are? or whats my religion?

[Guest guest]

I agree, Sheri (re VA law). Many times, officials overstep their boundaries.

However, in some states, they do have authority to scrutinize exemption claims,

and in others, it may not even be clear who does and doesn't have that

authority. It is critical, therefore, for us to understand our exemption rights.

Religious exemptions in particular are complex, involving aspects of state and

federal statutes, regulations, Constitutions, and legal precedent. So, whether

we have to discuss it with anyone or not, we should take steps to learn what the

boundaries of our rights are, what does and doesn't qualify for a religious

exemption and why, so we know what our rights are, when someone on the other

side has overstepped their boundaries, and so we don't say or fail to say

something that could come back to haunt us later.

In brief, though, one needn't be 'religious' in the conventional sense of the

word to qualify for a religious exemption. There are boundaries for what

qualifies, but in most instances, membership in an organized religion isn't

required, and your own interpretation of your religion, whatever it is,

qualifies. These are generalizations, though, based on legal precedent that

applies differently in different jurisdictions, and may arguably not apply at

all in some jurisdictions. Therefore, I recommend my e-book--it explains how all

of these things work and work together to form the boundaries of our rights.

Armed with that information, we can make confident, informed decisions

concerning exemption rights, and deal effectively in the situations we

encounter.

Regarding the self-promotion, please note that this is on topic, that I give a

lot of free advice on vaccine lists, and that I do a lot of uncompensated

volunteer time with vaccine legislative efforts around the country, and e-book

sales compensate me for very little of this. I hope, therefore, this will be

taken in the spirit intended, directing all concerned to the only source for

reliable, in-depth information about how vaccine exemption rights and laws work,

at the Vaccine Rights website below. I certainly could use the support, and this

community can benefit from this information. Anti-vaccine websites have a

mixture of accurate and inaccurate information on vaccine exemption rights and

procedures, and none of it explains how the law actually work in any depth.

Alan , JD

www.vaccinerights.com

> >

> >

> >Last year I got religious exemptions for my kids

> >for the first time. Up until then they were

> >updated on all shots. This year I went to the

> >Health Department to get updated exemption forms

> >and thought to myself, if they or anyone asks me

> >why, what would I say? I'm NOT religious, far

> >from it actually, and the only way to get an

> >exemption in Virginia is with a religious

> >exemption form. What do I say to anyone who asks

> >me what my reasons are? or whats my religion?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, Sheri (re VA law). Many times, officials overstep their boundaries.

However, in some states, they do have authority to scrutinize exemption claims,

and in others, it may not even be clear who does and doesn't have that

authority. It is critical, therefore, for us to understand our exemption rights.

Religious exemptions in particular are complex, involving aspects of state and

federal statutes, regulations, Constitutions, and legal precedent. So, whether

we have to discuss it with anyone or not, we should take steps to learn what the

boundaries of our rights are, what does and doesn't qualify for a religious

exemption and why, so we know what our rights are, when someone on the other

side has overstepped their boundaries, and so we don't say or fail to say

something that could come back to haunt us later.

In brief, though, one needn't be 'religious' in the conventional sense of the

word to qualify for a religious exemption. There are boundaries for what

qualifies, but in most instances, membership in an organized religion isn't

required, and your own interpretation of your religion, whatever it is,

qualifies. These are generalizations, though, based on legal precedent that

applies differently in different jurisdictions, and may arguably not apply at

all in some jurisdictions. Therefore, I recommend my e-book--it explains how all

of these things work and work together to form the boundaries of our rights.

Armed with that information, we can make confident, informed decisions

concerning exemption rights, and deal effectively in the situations we

encounter.

Regarding the self-promotion, please note that this is on topic, that I give a

lot of free advice on vaccine lists, and that I do a lot of uncompensated

volunteer time with vaccine legislative efforts around the country, and e-book

sales compensate me for very little of this. I hope, therefore, this will be

taken in the spirit intended, directing all concerned to the only source for

reliable, in-depth information about how vaccine exemption rights and laws work,

at the Vaccine Rights website below. I certainly could use the support, and this

community can benefit from this information. Anti-vaccine websites have a

mixture of accurate and inaccurate information on vaccine exemption rights and

procedures, and none of it explains how the law actually work in any depth.

Alan , JD

www.vaccinerights.com

> >

> >

> >Last year I got religious exemptions for my kids

> >for the first time. Up until then they were

> >updated on all shots. This year I went to the

> >Health Department to get updated exemption forms

> >and thought to myself, if they or anyone asks me

> >why, what would I say? I'm NOT religious, far

> >from it actually, and the only way to get an

> >exemption in Virginia is with a religious

> >exemption form. What do I say to anyone who asks

> >me what my reasons are? or whats my religion?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for the link! yes, the school told me to go to the Health Department to get one, and that it had to be notarized! But then, the  school told me that my kids couldn't go to public schools without the vaccinations required, and that I would then be liable for truancy! I found out that THAT was a load of b.s. too!

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...> wrote:

 

they don't ask and they can't ask according to the law there

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/virginia.aspx

http://www.vdh.state.va.us/epidemiology/immunization/documents/SchoolRegulations/cre_1.pdf

here is the form for VA

you don' t have to go to the health department

Just sign it - no one can ask you questions.  If they do, ask them

to show you the law that says you have to explain.

Sheri

At 06:24 AM 3/28/2011, you wrote:

 

Last year I got religious exemptions for my kids for the first time. Up

until then they were updated on all shots. This year I went to the Health

Department to get updated exemption forms and thought to myself, if they

or anyone asks me why, what would I say? I'm NOT religious, far from it

actually, and the only way to get an exemption  in Virginia is with

a religious exemption form. What do I say to anyone who asks me what my

reasons are? or whats my religion?

[Guest guest]

thanks for the link! yes, the school told me to go to the Health Department to get one, and that it had to be notarized! But then, the  school told me that my kids couldn't go to public schools without the vaccinations required, and that I would then be liable for truancy! I found out that THAT was a load of b.s. too!

On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...> wrote:

 

they don't ask and they can't ask according to the law there

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/virginia.aspx

http://www.vdh.state.va.us/epidemiology/immunization/documents/SchoolRegulations/cre_1.pdf

here is the form for VA

you don' t have to go to the health department

Just sign it - no one can ask you questions.  If they do, ask them

to show you the law that says you have to explain.

Sheri

At 06:24 AM 3/28/2011, you wrote:

 

Last year I got religious exemptions for my kids for the first time. Up

until then they were updated on all shots. This year I went to the Health

Department to get updated exemption forms and thought to myself, if they

or anyone asks me why, what would I say? I'm NOT religious, far from it

actually, and the only way to get an exemption  in Virginia is with

a religious exemption form. What do I say to anyone who asks me what my

reasons are? or whats my religion?