Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Clea, I do not know where you live in New York, but I wanted to let you know about a group called The Holistic Moms Network. This is a group that has chapters nationwide and has about 10 throughout New York. They are a great resourse for learning about all things holistic, from chiropractic, not/selective/delayed vax, natural birth, eco- conscious living, basically anything that people might be interested in laerning more about. I wanted to let you know about this group because they will be a great resource for you and will have tons of families that do not or selectively vaccinate. If there is a chapter in your area I would suggest checking it out (they have playdates and no-one judges you if you do not vaccinate). The website is www.holisticmoms.org I would also say that you do not have to avoid playgroups, no-one asks and you do not have to tell even if they do. When you want to say something is when everyone else's child gets sick and yours doesn't because of his healthy immune system. They will ask you, " hey why didn't your son get sick? " and then you can let them know that he is healthy because he is not vaccinated. Let me tell you it is the best feeling in the world. Good luck in your search for truth, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Sorry Clea, I said son not daughter, I had deleted your original post before I started typing and put the wrong thing. > > Clea, > > I do not know where you live in New York, but I wanted to let you > know about a group called The Holistic Moms Network. This is a group > that has chapters nationwide and has about 10 throughout New York. > They are a great resourse for learning about all things holistic, > from chiropractic, not/selective/delayed vax, natural birth, eco- > conscious living, basically anything that people might be interested > in laerning more about. I wanted to let you know about this group > because they will be a great resource for you and will have tons of > families that do not or selectively vaccinate. If there is a chapter > in your area I would suggest checking it out (they have playdates and > no-one judges you if you do not vaccinate). The website is > www.holisticmoms.org > > I would also say that you do not have to avoid playgroups, no-one > asks and you do not have to tell even if they do. When you want to > say something is when everyone else's child gets sick and yours > doesn't because of his healthy immune system. They will ask > you, " hey why didn't your son get sick? " and then you can let them > know that he is healthy because he is not vaccinated. Let me tell > you it is the best feeling in the world. > > Good luck in your search for truth, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Hi I'm new to the group and I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL., but just as passionate about educating people re: the dangers of vaccination. We should not be FORCED to do ANYTHING that concerns our bodies or our children's. It is such a shame the fear, money, ignorance, BIG Pharma. and the gov't is so motivated to take our power away and kill us along the way! And I don't feel that is an extreme statement...obviously we share the same concern. I wanted to comment on 's post...excellent response! If I can just add some to it.... My son is almost 3.5 years, and I nursed him until he was 2. I never consented to vaccination nor will I ever! ( I got a lifetime exemption for him) The BIG emphasis on the point that you made about making health a priority...when you are healthy, you can be exposed to bacteria and viruses (we constantly are) and our immune system will protect us. (By not living in a bubble,and having exposure strengthens the immune system) Healthy organic diet, no artificial flavors/colorings or preservatives, corn syrup, hydrogenated oils. My son rec'd weekly chiropractic adjustments since a week old and it keep everything in perfect alignment during growth which keeps the body healthy. Also, we are a holistic family and we've been under the care of a homeopath...even when sick...recovery is quick and not as bad as with conventional treatment. My son has never had an ear infection, healthy and only a few minor head colds...stuffy nose & elevated fever...pretty good eh? I've been so impressed with the success of homeopathy I made a career change and decided homeopathy was my passion! Even with all the so called " diseases " that they are threatening us with...homeopathy has had the best success with all....safe for children & animals, no side effects and so much less expensive than the drugs Big Pharma is forcing on us!!! (By the way, that is who is behind " trying " to sabotage the reputation of homeopathy! Homeopathy is the only true medicine based on scientific laws...not orthodox medicine! I know I'm on a roll, but I get really heated up about this topic as you can see! We all need to unite on this cause before we destroy ourselves. I look forward to participating in this group..........one person can create change, but when many are united to the same cause and are passionate about it..........MAJOR change takes place and much faster! Oh, another outrage...playgroups... " vaccinated parents " that don't want " unvaccinated kids " to play together.........got news for them...........THEY are the ones putting our kids at risk as the virus in the vaccine sheds sometimes up to a month depending on the vaccine and THEY are contagious!!!!!! (I actucally had a neighbor friend of mine tell me that my son would NOT be in HER classroom as she was a teacher! We would never want our son in her class anyway with that kind of narrowminded thinking!!! I would expect more from those we TRUST to be a good influence on our children to expand their thinking!!!! So actually, that is the main reason to keep our kids healthy so if exposure takes place after their friends are vaccinated they are safe. I had comfort that there are healthy alternitives and not to be affraid. I keep my son healthy and let him play in all sorts of environments with all kinds of kids to strengthen the immune system. Thank you all for being educated and making educated choices instead of just following the herd mentality! Michele O'Brien Independent Founding Affiliate GeneWize Life Sciences 954-326-1772 " Unleashing the power of your DNA with nutrition customized to your genetic code. " www.mygenewize.com/obrien > > Clea, > > The single best thing you can do is breastfeed your child (mine still > breastfeeds a couple of times a day at 2 1/2 years). If you're > breastfeeding, continue to do so as long as you can. When your child > is ready to move to real foods (probably soon, if she's 5 months now), > be sure to feed her lots of fresh, organic fruits and veggies, and > steer away from the white flour, white sugar and processed foods. > Good nutrition accompanied with keeping vaccinations or other poisons > (i.e. antibiotics or drugs like Tylenol and Motrin) out of your > child's body will keep your child's system functioning optimally, and > keep her toxic load down. If your child's " toxic load " is low, she > will be able to be around other children with minimal chances that she > will become sick herself. Also, in the event she does come with > something, she will be able to overcome it and get well much quicker > than the " normal " , vaccinated child. > > We can't keep our children in a bubble, and by keeping them secluded, > we're also isolating ourselves. This isn't healthy, either. Nature > provides our children's bodies with what they need to keep healthy. > It's up to us not to interfere with that. Not vaxing/medicating > (poisoning) + Good, nutritious food + lots of exercise + fresh air and > sunshine = Healthy, happy children. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Hi I'm new to the group and I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL., but just as passionate about educating people re: the dangers of vaccination. We should not be FORCED to do ANYTHING that concerns our bodies or our children's. It is such a shame the fear, money, ignorance, BIG Pharma. and the gov't is so motivated to take our power away and kill us along the way! And I don't feel that is an extreme statement...obviously we share the same concern. I wanted to comment on 's post...excellent response! If I can just add some to it.... My son is almost 3.5 years, and I nursed him until he was 2. I never consented to vaccination nor will I ever! ( I got a lifetime exemption for him) The BIG emphasis on the point that you made about making health a priority...when you are healthy, you can be exposed to bacteria and viruses (we constantly are) and our immune system will protect us. (By not living in a bubble,and having exposure strengthens the immune system) Healthy organic diet, no artificial flavors/colorings or preservatives, corn syrup, hydrogenated oils. My son rec'd weekly chiropractic adjustments since a week old and it keep everything in perfect alignment during growth which keeps the body healthy. Also, we are a holistic family and we've been under the care of a homeopath...even when sick...recovery is quick and not as bad as with conventional treatment. My son has never had an ear infection, healthy and only a few minor head colds...stuffy nose & elevated fever...pretty good eh? I've been so impressed with the success of homeopathy I made a career change and decided homeopathy was my passion! Even with all the so called " diseases " that they are threatening us with...homeopathy has had the best success with all....safe for children & animals, no side effects and so much less expensive than the drugs Big Pharma is forcing on us!!! (By the way, that is who is behind " trying " to sabotage the reputation of homeopathy! Homeopathy is the only true medicine based on scientific laws...not orthodox medicine! I know I'm on a roll, but I get really heated up about this topic as you can see! We all need to unite on this cause before we destroy ourselves. I look forward to participating in this group..........one person can create change, but when many are united to the same cause and are passionate about it..........MAJOR change takes place and much faster! Oh, another outrage...playgroups... " vaccinated parents " that don't want " unvaccinated kids " to play together.........got news for them...........THEY are the ones putting our kids at risk as the virus in the vaccine sheds sometimes up to a month depending on the vaccine and THEY are contagious!!!!!! (I actucally had a neighbor friend of mine tell me that my son would NOT be in HER classroom as she was a teacher! We would never want our son in her class anyway with that kind of narrowminded thinking!!! I would expect more from those we TRUST to be a good influence on our children to expand their thinking!!!! So actually, that is the main reason to keep our kids healthy so if exposure takes place after their friends are vaccinated they are safe. I had comfort that there are healthy alternitives and not to be affraid. I keep my son healthy and let him play in all sorts of environments with all kinds of kids to strengthen the immune system. Thank you all for being educated and making educated choices instead of just following the herd mentality! Michele O'Brien Independent Founding Affiliate GeneWize Life Sciences 954-326-1772 " Unleashing the power of your DNA with nutrition customized to your genetic code. " www.mygenewize.com/obrien > > Clea, > > The single best thing you can do is breastfeed your child (mine still > breastfeeds a couple of times a day at 2 1/2 years). If you're > breastfeeding, continue to do so as long as you can. When your child > is ready to move to real foods (probably soon, if she's 5 months now), > be sure to feed her lots of fresh, organic fruits and veggies, and > steer away from the white flour, white sugar and processed foods. > Good nutrition accompanied with keeping vaccinations or other poisons > (i.e. antibiotics or drugs like Tylenol and Motrin) out of your > child's body will keep your child's system functioning optimally, and > keep her toxic load down. If your child's " toxic load " is low, she > will be able to be around other children with minimal chances that she > will become sick herself. Also, in the event she does come with > something, she will be able to overcome it and get well much quicker > than the " normal " , vaccinated child. > > We can't keep our children in a bubble, and by keeping them secluded, > we're also isolating ourselves. This isn't healthy, either. Nature > provides our children's bodies with what they need to keep healthy. > It's up to us not to interfere with that. Not vaxing/medicating > (poisoning) + Good, nutritious food + lots of exercise + fresh air and > sunshine = Healthy, happy children. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Hullo Michele, your passion is Infectious, LOL, Keep up the good work, Welcome! Glad Day ~ Karla in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Hullo Michele, your passion is Infectious, LOL, Keep up the good work, Welcome! Glad Day ~ Karla in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Hi Michele - I always laugh heartily a the one about folks not wanting their vaccinated kids around our intact children! It is really funny - - not only should we be the ones uncomfortable about contamination (esp with the live polio virus), but if they really had faith in their vaccines, why should they worry? Ha - the industry is fear driven - Theresa On Jul 12, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Michele O'Brien wrote: > Hi I'm new to the group and I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL., but just > as passionate about educating people re: the dangers of vaccination. > We should not be FORCED to do ANYTHING that concerns our bodies or > our children's. It is such a shame the fear, money, ignorance, BIG > Pharma. and the gov't is so motivated to take our power away and > kill us along the way! And I don't feel that is an extreme > statement...obviously we share the same concern. > > I wanted to comment on 's post...excellent response! If I can > just add some to it.... > > My son is almost 3.5 years, and I nursed him until he was 2. I never > consented to vaccination nor will I ever! ( I got a lifetime > exemption for him) The BIG emphasis on the point that you made > about making health a priority...when you are healthy, you can be > exposed to bacteria and viruses (we constantly are) and our immune > system will protect us. (By not living in a bubble,and having > exposure strengthens the immune system) Healthy organic diet, no > artificial flavors/colorings or preservatives, corn syrup, > hydrogenated oils. My son rec'd weekly chiropractic adjustments > since a week old and it keep everything in perfect alignment during > growth which keeps the body healthy. Also, we are a holistic family > and we've been under the care of a homeopath...even when > sick...recovery is quick and not as bad as with conventional > treatment. My son has never had an ear infection, healthy and only a > few minor head colds...stuffy nose & elevated fever...pretty good > eh? I've been so impressed with the success of homeopathy I made a > career change and decided homeopathy was my passion! Even with all > the so called " diseases " that they are threatening us > with...homeopathy has had the best success with all....safe for > children & animals, no side effects and so much less expensive than > the drugs Big Pharma is forcing on us!!! (By the way, that is who is > behind " trying " to sabotage the reputation of homeopathy! Homeopathy > is the only true medicine based on scientific laws...not orthodox > medicine! I know I'm on a roll, but I get really heated up about > this topic as you can see! We all need to unite on this cause before > we destroy ourselves. > > I look forward to participating in this group..........one person can > create change, but when many are united to the same cause and are > passionate about it..........MAJOR change takes place and much faster! > > Oh, another outrage...playgroups... " vaccinated parents " that don't > want " unvaccinated kids " to play together.........got news for > them...........THEY are the ones putting our kids at risk as the > virus in the vaccine sheds sometimes up to a month depending on the > vaccine and THEY are contagious!!!!!! (I actucally had a neighbor > friend of mine tell me that my son would NOT be in HER classroom as > she was a teacher! We would never want our son in her class anyway > with that kind of narrowminded thinking!!! I would expect more from > those we TRUST to be a good influence on our children to expand their > thinking!!!! So actually, that is the main reason to keep our kids > healthy so if exposure takes place after their friends are vaccinated > they are safe. I had comfort that there are healthy alternitives and > not to be affraid. I keep my son healthy and let him play in all > sorts of environments with all kinds of kids to strengthen the immune > system. > > Thank you all for being educated and making educated choices instead > of just following the herd mentality! > > > Michele O'Brien > > Independent Founding Affiliate > GeneWize Life Sciences > 954-326-1772 > > " Unleashing the power of your DNA with > nutrition customized to your genetic code. " > www.mygenewize.com/obrien > > > > > > Clea, > > > > The single best thing you can do is breastfeed your child (mine > still > > breastfeeds a couple of times a day at 2 1/2 years). If you're > > breastfeeding, continue to do so as long as you can. When your > child > > is ready to move to real foods (probably soon, if she's 5 months > now), > > be sure to feed her lots of fresh, organic fruits and veggies, and > > steer away from the white flour, white sugar and processed foods. > > Good nutrition accompanied with keeping vaccinations or other > poisons > > (i.e. antibiotics or drugs like Tylenol and Motrin) out of your > > child's body will keep your child's system functioning optimally, > and > > keep her toxic load down. If your child's " toxic load " is low, she > > will be able to be around other children with minimal chances that > she > > will become sick herself. Also, in the event she does come with > > something, she will be able to overcome it and get well much quicker > > than the " normal " , vaccinated child. > > > > We can't keep our children in a bubble, and by keeping them > secluded, > > we're also isolating ourselves. This isn't healthy, either. Nature > > provides our children's bodies with what they need to keep healthy. > > It's up to us not to interfere with that. Not vaxing/medicating > > (poisoning) + Good, nutritious food + lots of exercise + fresh air > and > > sunshine = Healthy, happy children. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Hi Michele - I always laugh heartily a the one about folks not wanting their vaccinated kids around our intact children! It is really funny - - not only should we be the ones uncomfortable about contamination (esp with the live polio virus), but if they really had faith in their vaccines, why should they worry? Ha - the industry is fear driven - Theresa On Jul 12, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Michele O'Brien wrote: > Hi I'm new to the group and I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL., but just > as passionate about educating people re: the dangers of vaccination. > We should not be FORCED to do ANYTHING that concerns our bodies or > our children's. It is such a shame the fear, money, ignorance, BIG > Pharma. and the gov't is so motivated to take our power away and > kill us along the way! And I don't feel that is an extreme > statement...obviously we share the same concern. > > I wanted to comment on 's post...excellent response! If I can > just add some to it.... > > My son is almost 3.5 years, and I nursed him until he was 2. I never > consented to vaccination nor will I ever! ( I got a lifetime > exemption for him) The BIG emphasis on the point that you made > about making health a priority...when you are healthy, you can be > exposed to bacteria and viruses (we constantly are) and our immune > system will protect us. (By not living in a bubble,and having > exposure strengthens the immune system) Healthy organic diet, no > artificial flavors/colorings or preservatives, corn syrup, > hydrogenated oils. My son rec'd weekly chiropractic adjustments > since a week old and it keep everything in perfect alignment during > growth which keeps the body healthy. Also, we are a holistic family > and we've been under the care of a homeopath...even when > sick...recovery is quick and not as bad as with conventional > treatment. My son has never had an ear infection, healthy and only a > few minor head colds...stuffy nose & elevated fever...pretty good > eh? I've been so impressed with the success of homeopathy I made a > career change and decided homeopathy was my passion! Even with all > the so called " diseases " that they are threatening us > with...homeopathy has had the best success with all....safe for > children & animals, no side effects and so much less expensive than > the drugs Big Pharma is forcing on us!!! (By the way, that is who is > behind " trying " to sabotage the reputation of homeopathy! Homeopathy > is the only true medicine based on scientific laws...not orthodox > medicine! I know I'm on a roll, but I get really heated up about > this topic as you can see! We all need to unite on this cause before > we destroy ourselves. > > I look forward to participating in this group..........one person can > create change, but when many are united to the same cause and are > passionate about it..........MAJOR change takes place and much faster! > > Oh, another outrage...playgroups... " vaccinated parents " that don't > want " unvaccinated kids " to play together.........got news for > them...........THEY are the ones putting our kids at risk as the > virus in the vaccine sheds sometimes up to a month depending on the > vaccine and THEY are contagious!!!!!! (I actucally had a neighbor > friend of mine tell me that my son would NOT be in HER classroom as > she was a teacher! We would never want our son in her class anyway > with that kind of narrowminded thinking!!! I would expect more from > those we TRUST to be a good influence on our children to expand their > thinking!!!! So actually, that is the main reason to keep our kids > healthy so if exposure takes place after their friends are vaccinated > they are safe. I had comfort that there are healthy alternitives and > not to be affraid. I keep my son healthy and let him play in all > sorts of environments with all kinds of kids to strengthen the immune > system. > > Thank you all for being educated and making educated choices instead > of just following the herd mentality! > > > Michele O'Brien > > Independent Founding Affiliate > GeneWize Life Sciences > 954-326-1772 > > " Unleashing the power of your DNA with > nutrition customized to your genetic code. " > www.mygenewize.com/obrien > > > > > > Clea, > > > > The single best thing you can do is breastfeed your child (mine > still > > breastfeeds a couple of times a day at 2 1/2 years). If you're > > breastfeeding, continue to do so as long as you can. When your > child > > is ready to move to real foods (probably soon, if she's 5 months > now), > > be sure to feed her lots of fresh, organic fruits and veggies, and > > steer away from the white flour, white sugar and processed foods. > > Good nutrition accompanied with keeping vaccinations or other > poisons > > (i.e. antibiotics or drugs like Tylenol and Motrin) out of your > > child's body will keep your child's system functioning optimally, > and > > keep her toxic load down. If your child's " toxic load " is low, she > > will be able to be around other children with minimal chances that > she > > will become sick herself. Also, in the event she does come with > > something, she will be able to overcome it and get well much quicker > > than the " normal " , vaccinated child. > > > > We can't keep our children in a bubble, and by keeping them > secluded, > > we're also isolating ourselves. This isn't healthy, either. Nature > > provides our children's bodies with what they need to keep healthy. > > It's up to us not to interfere with that. Not vaxing/medicating > > (poisoning) + Good, nutritious food + lots of exercise + fresh air > and > > sunshine = Healthy, happy children. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hi Clea, I just wanted to give you some information, in response to your post. First, I urge you to research and find out more about the vaccines that you are planning to give based on the schedule you posted. You will most likely find that you would not want to subject your child to even those vaccines, if you truly know about them, and especially if you learn about the diseases themselves, as most of them are quite benign -- particularly in relation to the risks of vaccination. I highly recommend the book " Vaccine Safely Manual for Concerned Families and Health Practitioners " by Neil Z. . It's a very thorough book that goes over each current vaccine and the diseases the vaccines are purported to prevent. I say " purported " because vaccines actually don't prevent anything, they only cause illness, but you have to do some research on your own to come to that conclusion because you can't take some random person on the net's word for it (nor should you!). I also highly recommend Sheri Nakken's online classes on vaccines. http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm They are full of such GREAT information (nurses can even earn CEU's for taking her courses). At the very least, I would certainly seek out information on each vaccine you are planning to give your child; request the package insert for each specific vaccine from your doctor and take it home and read it thoroughly before you allow anything to be administered. In response to your specific numbered statements: 1. Waiting until age two for the DTaP vaccine is a good thing (because this gives you ample research time), but if you wait that long, you may as well not bother anyway. Your child is most at risk for developing pertussis (which is not normally fatal these days and can be treated successfully with antibiotics, or better yet, homeopathy) when he/she is under the age of two. I had a pediatrician recently tell me that since I waited so long for the DTaP that I may as well not bother and that he wasn't going to hound me on that one anymore. This is not a doctor that I take my child to (I don't use mainstream doctors for wellness care), it's just one that I talk to from time-to-time who knows my stance on vaccines and tries to lure me to the " other side " . Anyway, here is a plethora of info on Diphtheria, Pertussis and Tetanus. I can tell you that even if I elected to give my child any vaccinations at all (which I don't), I would NEVER consider giving this jab, even with the acellular Pertussis, because of it's track record. I'm not sure why Polio is on your list, but rather than write a novel on this one vaccine alone, I'll just direct you to a wonderful resource where you can read more on your own. I encourage you to read as much as you can. http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio.htm 2. Even vaccines that are labeled " Thimerosal Free " can still contain " trace amounts " of Thimerosal, as it is still used in the manufacturing process then is filtered out later. This does not, and can not, remove ALL thimerasol from the vaccine. Also, Thimerosol isn't the sole culprit in vaccines... there are so many different chemicals and toxins (some of which are not even disclosed by the drug manufacturers, because by law they are not required to disclose an ingredient if it's not considered an " active ingredient " ) in every vaccine that you can't say they removed one ingredient so now the shot is safe. Vaccines, when used in a multi-dose vial (cheaper by approximately 52 cents per injection...), have to have a preservative in them. So in essence they are just substituting one heavy metal preservative(thimerosal) in the vaccine for another heavy metal preservative (aluminum, is frequently used). This can still result in heavy metal poisoning. Some vaccines can be requested in single-dose vials, but others don't even have that option. Here is a great resource for studying heavy metals in vaccines: http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/vaccines/thimerosal_autism.html I know this process can seem overwhelming, but do know that as you read and read some more, it will be less overwhelming and you will become more and more confident with the decisions you make. A good place to start is this video: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/02/14/why-vaccines-aren-\ t-safe.aspx It's a little long, but it can be watched in chapters, and it is easy to understand. Tocco, the presenter, even provides several sources for further research on your own. Here's the link again, in case it gets muttled the first time: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/02/14/why-vaccines-aren-\ t-safe.aspx Finally, many are using the religious exemptions if it is the only one available to them, even if they don't have specific religious reasons for doing so. When you learn the risks involved with vaccines, you may decide this is your best option, too. I certainly would not let lack of religious conviction stand in the way of making the right choice for your child. Ultimately, it's your child and you should have the right to decide whether to allow toxins/chemicals to be injected into their bloodstream... the government should not have that right, even though they think they do. Because New York is so tough on vaccine exemptions, I would seek out an attorney, if you decide to go that route after you research everything. I'm pretty sure there are people on this list that can point you to an attorney that can assist you. Keep delaying vaccination as long as you can. You can always delay...but if there's an adverse reaction, it's for keeps, you can't take the jab back. Good luck to you! Keep reading and questioning, and question some more! On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Clea <cleavanessa@...> wrote: > We weren't initially opposed to all vaccinations only some of them and > extremely opposed to giving them to babies. So, we found a pediatrician who > is comfortable with whatever decision we made and decided to loosely follow > the outdated vaccination schedule by Dr. > (http://ffitz.com/nyvic/health/alt-vac-sched.htm) who recommended: > > 1. No vaccinations until a child is two years old. > 2. No vaccines that contain thimerosal (mercury). > 3. No live virus vaccines (except for smallpox, should it recur). > 4. These vaccines, to be given one at a time, every six months, beginning at > age 2: > 1. Pertussis (acellular, not whole cell) > 2. Diphtheria > 3. Tetanus > 4. Polio (the Salk vaccine, cultured in human cells) > > Also, 2 years is about as long as we can financially hold off putting her in > day care and we aren't avoiding vaccinations for religious reasons which is > the only allowed exemption in NY, which I'm sure you know. Now, we are kind > of doing what you said: waiting and hoping. Although despite the deaths > continuing to pile up, it seems like legislation continues to go the wrong > way. Not sure if it is a false rumor, but someone told me there was talk of > vaccinating Bronx residents for HIV. > > Clea, Bronx > > ________________________________ > no-forced-vaccination > From: faerie1952@... > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:43:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: Play groups > > > Hullo Clea. Your daughter is not a leper. Do what ever you want with her in > society. Keep her well nourished, happy and healthy. Dont buy into any dogma > to the contrary, that you have to vaccinate at Any age. And especially, if > they dont ask, dont offer her medical information. > If you are withholding vaccines until 2, I guess I am wondering why? After > any of the information you may have found about vaccines, why would you want > to vaccinate at all? And risk losing any part of your daughters potential > and growth, thru dangerous vaccines? Vaccines are not required until school > age. Keep searching and researching all that you can. You have time to think > about it. And who knows! By the time your daughter is school age, we are > hopeful that all vaccines will be a bygone era. Interested why you feel > vaccines at any age is safe, as they cant even prove they work. But they > sure can prove that they do harm. But that is your choice. > Keep doing what you want to do with your daughter, and dont worry about > that aspect. The best vaccine is NO vaccine. And nobody has any rights to > her beyond her skin. That is your choice as a parent, to protect her from > toxic, killing and maiming vaccines. Do the research too, to know and > consider the vaccine exemption procedures for your state. > All the best to your new little family. > Glad Day ~ Karla in IL > > ________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. Get > started. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Hi Clea, I just wanted to give you some information, in response to your post. First, I urge you to research and find out more about the vaccines that you are planning to give based on the schedule you posted. You will most likely find that you would not want to subject your child to even those vaccines, if you truly know about them, and especially if you learn about the diseases themselves, as most of them are quite benign -- particularly in relation to the risks of vaccination. I highly recommend the book " Vaccine Safely Manual for Concerned Families and Health Practitioners " by Neil Z. . It's a very thorough book that goes over each current vaccine and the diseases the vaccines are purported to prevent. I say " purported " because vaccines actually don't prevent anything, they only cause illness, but you have to do some research on your own to come to that conclusion because you can't take some random person on the net's word for it (nor should you!). I also highly recommend Sheri Nakken's online classes on vaccines. http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm They are full of such GREAT information (nurses can even earn CEU's for taking her courses). At the very least, I would certainly seek out information on each vaccine you are planning to give your child; request the package insert for each specific vaccine from your doctor and take it home and read it thoroughly before you allow anything to be administered. In response to your specific numbered statements: 1. Waiting until age two for the DTaP vaccine is a good thing (because this gives you ample research time), but if you wait that long, you may as well not bother anyway. Your child is most at risk for developing pertussis (which is not normally fatal these days and can be treated successfully with antibiotics, or better yet, homeopathy) when he/she is under the age of two. I had a pediatrician recently tell me that since I waited so long for the DTaP that I may as well not bother and that he wasn't going to hound me on that one anymore. This is not a doctor that I take my child to (I don't use mainstream doctors for wellness care), it's just one that I talk to from time-to-time who knows my stance on vaccines and tries to lure me to the " other side " . Anyway, here is a plethora of info on Diphtheria, Pertussis and Tetanus. I can tell you that even if I elected to give my child any vaccinations at all (which I don't), I would NEVER consider giving this jab, even with the acellular Pertussis, because of it's track record. I'm not sure why Polio is on your list, but rather than write a novel on this one vaccine alone, I'll just direct you to a wonderful resource where you can read more on your own. I encourage you to read as much as you can. http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/polio.htm 2. Even vaccines that are labeled " Thimerosal Free " can still contain " trace amounts " of Thimerosal, as it is still used in the manufacturing process then is filtered out later. This does not, and can not, remove ALL thimerasol from the vaccine. Also, Thimerosol isn't the sole culprit in vaccines... there are so many different chemicals and toxins (some of which are not even disclosed by the drug manufacturers, because by law they are not required to disclose an ingredient if it's not considered an " active ingredient " ) in every vaccine that you can't say they removed one ingredient so now the shot is safe. Vaccines, when used in a multi-dose vial (cheaper by approximately 52 cents per injection...), have to have a preservative in them. So in essence they are just substituting one heavy metal preservative(thimerosal) in the vaccine for another heavy metal preservative (aluminum, is frequently used). This can still result in heavy metal poisoning. Some vaccines can be requested in single-dose vials, but others don't even have that option. Here is a great resource for studying heavy metals in vaccines: http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/vaccines/thimerosal_autism.html I know this process can seem overwhelming, but do know that as you read and read some more, it will be less overwhelming and you will become more and more confident with the decisions you make. A good place to start is this video: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/02/14/why-vaccines-aren-\ t-safe.aspx It's a little long, but it can be watched in chapters, and it is easy to understand. Tocco, the presenter, even provides several sources for further research on your own. Here's the link again, in case it gets muttled the first time: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/02/14/why-vaccines-aren-\ t-safe.aspx Finally, many are using the religious exemptions if it is the only one available to them, even if they don't have specific religious reasons for doing so. When you learn the risks involved with vaccines, you may decide this is your best option, too. I certainly would not let lack of religious conviction stand in the way of making the right choice for your child. Ultimately, it's your child and you should have the right to decide whether to allow toxins/chemicals to be injected into their bloodstream... the government should not have that right, even though they think they do. Because New York is so tough on vaccine exemptions, I would seek out an attorney, if you decide to go that route after you research everything. I'm pretty sure there are people on this list that can point you to an attorney that can assist you. Keep delaying vaccination as long as you can. You can always delay...but if there's an adverse reaction, it's for keeps, you can't take the jab back. Good luck to you! Keep reading and questioning, and question some more! On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Clea <cleavanessa@...> wrote: > We weren't initially opposed to all vaccinations only some of them and > extremely opposed to giving them to babies. So, we found a pediatrician who > is comfortable with whatever decision we made and decided to loosely follow > the outdated vaccination schedule by Dr. > (http://ffitz.com/nyvic/health/alt-vac-sched.htm) who recommended: > > 1. No vaccinations until a child is two years old. > 2. No vaccines that contain thimerosal (mercury). > 3. No live virus vaccines (except for smallpox, should it recur). > 4. These vaccines, to be given one at a time, every six months, beginning at > age 2: > 1. Pertussis (acellular, not whole cell) > 2. Diphtheria > 3. Tetanus > 4. Polio (the Salk vaccine, cultured in human cells) > > Also, 2 years is about as long as we can financially hold off putting her in > day care and we aren't avoiding vaccinations for religious reasons which is > the only allowed exemption in NY, which I'm sure you know. Now, we are kind > of doing what you said: waiting and hoping. Although despite the deaths > continuing to pile up, it seems like legislation continues to go the wrong > way. Not sure if it is a false rumor, but someone told me there was talk of > vaccinating Bronx residents for HIV. > > Clea, Bronx > > ________________________________ > no-forced-vaccination > From: faerie1952@... > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:43:44 -0700 > Subject: Re: Play groups > > > Hullo Clea. Your daughter is not a leper. Do what ever you want with her in > society. Keep her well nourished, happy and healthy. Dont buy into any dogma > to the contrary, that you have to vaccinate at Any age. And especially, if > they dont ask, dont offer her medical information. > If you are withholding vaccines until 2, I guess I am wondering why? After > any of the information you may have found about vaccines, why would you want > to vaccinate at all? And risk losing any part of your daughters potential > and growth, thru dangerous vaccines? Vaccines are not required until school > age. Keep searching and researching all that you can. You have time to think > about it. And who knows! By the time your daughter is school age, we are > hopeful that all vaccines will be a bygone era. Interested why you feel > vaccines at any age is safe, as they cant even prove they work. But they > sure can prove that they do harm. But that is your choice. > Keep doing what you want to do with your daughter, and dont worry about > that aspect. The best vaccine is NO vaccine. And nobody has any rights to > her beyond her skin. That is your choice as a parent, to protect her from > toxic, killing and maiming vaccines. Do the research too, to know and > consider the vaccine exemption procedures for your state. > All the best to your new little family. > Glad Day ~ Karla in IL > > ________________________________ > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. Get > started. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Oops! Darn typos! The book recommendation is: " Vaccine Safety Manual for Concerned Families and Health Practitioners " by Neil Z. . I spelled " safety " wrong in my original post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Oops! Darn typos! The book recommendation is: " Vaccine Safety Manual for Concerned Families and Health Practitioners " by Neil Z. . I spelled " safety " wrong in my original post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 I just have to say " AMEN " Michele! You share a lot of the same passions that I do. For one, I cannot recommend chiropractic care for children highly enough! My first-born has had chiropractic since he was four days old, and my second-born received his first chiropractic adjustment when he was exactly 24 hours old. It serves to keep them so healthy and their attitudes in check (thankfully!!!). More info on pediatric chiropractic care: http://www.icpa4kids.org/why.htm I, too, have decided to pursue homeopathy as a career! Vaccine education is my first, and most prevalent passion, but homeopathy just makes so much sense, and I've seen it work wonders in my own family! Anyway, welcome to our list. On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Michele O'Brien <sunshine0310@...> wrote: > Hi I'm new to the group and I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL., but just > as passionate about educating people re: the dangers of vaccination. > We should not be FORCED to do ANYTHING that concerns our bodies or > our children's. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 I just have to say " AMEN " Michele! You share a lot of the same passions that I do. For one, I cannot recommend chiropractic care for children highly enough! My first-born has had chiropractic since he was four days old, and my second-born received his first chiropractic adjustment when he was exactly 24 hours old. It serves to keep them so healthy and their attitudes in check (thankfully!!!). More info on pediatric chiropractic care: http://www.icpa4kids.org/why.htm I, too, have decided to pursue homeopathy as a career! Vaccine education is my first, and most prevalent passion, but homeopathy just makes so much sense, and I've seen it work wonders in my own family! Anyway, welcome to our list. On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Michele O'Brien <sunshine0310@...> wrote: > Hi I'm new to the group and I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL., but just > as passionate about educating people re: the dangers of vaccination. > We should not be FORCED to do ANYTHING that concerns our bodies or > our children's. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 how does one get a lifetime exemption??????? we don't vaccinate but I'm always on the egde of my seat "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force...never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." Washington > Hi I'm new to the group and I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL., but just > as passionate about educating people re: the dangers of vaccination. > We should not be FORCED to do ANYTHING that concerns our bodies or > our children's. It is such a shame the fear, money, ignorance, BIG > Pharma. and the gov't is so motivated to take our power away and > kill us along the way! And I don't feel that is an extreme > statement...obviously we share the same concern. > > I wanted to comment on 's post...excellent response! If I can > just add some to it.... > > My son is almost 3.5 years, and I nursed him until he was 2. I never > consented to vaccination nor will I ever! ( I got a lifetime > exemption for him) The BIG emphasis on the point that you made > about making health a priority...when you are healthy, you can be > exposed to bacteria and viruses (we constantly are) and our immune > system will protect us. (By not living in a bubble,and having > exposure strengthens the immune system) Healthy organic diet, no > artificial flavors/colorings or preservatives, corn syrup, > hydrogenated oils. My son rec'd weekly chiropractic adjustments > since a week old and it keep everything in perfect alignment during > growth which keeps the body healthy. Also, we are a holistic family > and we've been under the care of a homeopath...even when > sick...recovery is quick and not as bad as with conventional > treatment. My son has never had an ear infection, healthy and only a > few minor head colds...stuffy nose & elevated fever...pretty good > eh? I've been so impressed with the success of homeopathy I made a > career change and decided homeopathy was my passion! Even with all > the so called "diseases" that they are threatening us > with...homeopathy has had the best success with all....safe for > children & animals, no side effects and so much less expensive than > the drugs Big Pharma is forcing on us!!! (By the way, that is who is > behind "trying" to sabotage the reputation of homeopathy! Homeopathy > is the only true medicine based on scientific laws...not orthodox > medicine! I know I'm on a roll, but I get really heated up about > this topic as you can see! We all need to unite on this cause before > we destroy ourselves. > > I look forward to participating in this group..........one person can > create change, but when many are united to the same cause and are > passionate about it..........MAJOR change takes place and much faster! > > Oh, another outrage...playgroups..."vaccinated parents" that don't > want "unvaccinated kids" to play together.........got news for > them...........THEY are the ones putting our kids at risk as the > virus in the vaccine sheds sometimes up to a month depending on the > vaccine and THEY are contagious!!!!!! (I actucally had a neighbor > friend of mine tell me that my son would NOT be in HER classroom as > she was a teacher! We would never want our son in her class anyway > with that kind of narrowminded thinking!!! I would expect more from > those we TRUST to be a good influence on our children to expand their > thinking!!!! So actually, that is the main reason to keep our kids > healthy so if exposure takes place after their friends are vaccinated > they are safe. I had comfort that there are healthy alternitives and > not to be affraid. I keep my son healthy and let him play in all > sorts of environments with all kinds of kids to strengthen the immune > system. > > Thank you all for being educated and making educated choices instead > of just following the herd mentality! > > > Michele O'Brien > > Independent Founding Affiliate > GeneWize Life Sciences > 954-326-1772 > > "Unleashing the power of your DNA with > nutrition customized to your genetic code." > www.mygenewize.com/obrien > > > > > > Clea, > > > > The single best thing you can do is breastfeed your child (mine > still > > breastfeeds a couple of times a day at 2 1/2 years). If you're > > breastfeeding, continue to do so as long as you can. When your > child > > is ready to move to real foods (probably soon, if she's 5 months > now), > > be sure to feed her lots of fresh, organic fruits and veggies, and > > steer away from the white flour, white sugar and processed foods. > > Good nutrition accompanied with keeping vaccinations or other > poisons > > (i.e. antibiotics or drugs like Tylenol and Motrin) out of your > > child's body will keep your child's system functioning optimally, > and > > keep her toxic load down. If your child's "toxic load" is low, she > > will be able to be around other children with minimal chances that > she > > will become sick herself. Also, in the event she does come with > > something, she will be able to overcome it and get well much quicker > > than the "normal", vaccinated child. > > > > We can't keep our children in a bubble, and by keeping them > secluded, > > we're also isolating ourselves. This isn't healthy, either. Nature > > provides our children's bodies with what they need to keep healthy. > > It's up to us not to interfere with that. Not vaxing/medicating > > (poisoning) + Good, nutritious food + lots of exercise + fresh air > and > > sunshine = Healthy, happy children. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 how does one get a lifetime exemption??????? we don't vaccinate but I'm always on the egde of my seat "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force...never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." Washington > Hi I'm new to the group and I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL., but just > as passionate about educating people re: the dangers of vaccination. > We should not be FORCED to do ANYTHING that concerns our bodies or > our children's. It is such a shame the fear, money, ignorance, BIG > Pharma. and the gov't is so motivated to take our power away and > kill us along the way! And I don't feel that is an extreme > statement...obviously we share the same concern. > > I wanted to comment on 's post...excellent response! If I can > just add some to it.... > > My son is almost 3.5 years, and I nursed him until he was 2. I never > consented to vaccination nor will I ever! ( I got a lifetime > exemption for him) The BIG emphasis on the point that you made > about making health a priority...when you are healthy, you can be > exposed to bacteria and viruses (we constantly are) and our immune > system will protect us. (By not living in a bubble,and having > exposure strengthens the immune system) Healthy organic diet, no > artificial flavors/colorings or preservatives, corn syrup, > hydrogenated oils. My son rec'd weekly chiropractic adjustments > since a week old and it keep everything in perfect alignment during > growth which keeps the body healthy. Also, we are a holistic family > and we've been under the care of a homeopath...even when > sick...recovery is quick and not as bad as with conventional > treatment. My son has never had an ear infection, healthy and only a > few minor head colds...stuffy nose & elevated fever...pretty good > eh? I've been so impressed with the success of homeopathy I made a > career change and decided homeopathy was my passion! Even with all > the so called "diseases" that they are threatening us > with...homeopathy has had the best success with all....safe for > children & animals, no side effects and so much less expensive than > the drugs Big Pharma is forcing on us!!! (By the way, that is who is > behind "trying" to sabotage the reputation of homeopathy! Homeopathy > is the only true medicine based on scientific laws...not orthodox > medicine! I know I'm on a roll, but I get really heated up about > this topic as you can see! We all need to unite on this cause before > we destroy ourselves. > > I look forward to participating in this group..........one person can > create change, but when many are united to the same cause and are > passionate about it..........MAJOR change takes place and much faster! > > Oh, another outrage...playgroups..."vaccinated parents" that don't > want "unvaccinated kids" to play together.........got news for > them...........THEY are the ones putting our kids at risk as the > virus in the vaccine sheds sometimes up to a month depending on the > vaccine and THEY are contagious!!!!!! (I actucally had a neighbor > friend of mine tell me that my son would NOT be in HER classroom as > she was a teacher! We would never want our son in her class anyway > with that kind of narrowminded thinking!!! I would expect more from > those we TRUST to be a good influence on our children to expand their > thinking!!!! So actually, that is the main reason to keep our kids > healthy so if exposure takes place after their friends are vaccinated > they are safe. I had comfort that there are healthy alternitives and > not to be affraid. I keep my son healthy and let him play in all > sorts of environments with all kinds of kids to strengthen the immune > system. > > Thank you all for being educated and making educated choices instead > of just following the herd mentality! > > > Michele O'Brien > > Independent Founding Affiliate > GeneWize Life Sciences > 954-326-1772 > > "Unleashing the power of your DNA with > nutrition customized to your genetic code." > www.mygenewize.com/obrien > > > > > > Clea, > > > > The single best thing you can do is breastfeed your child (mine > still > > breastfeeds a couple of times a day at 2 1/2 years). If you're > > breastfeeding, continue to do so as long as you can. When your > child > > is ready to move to real foods (probably soon, if she's 5 months > now), > > be sure to feed her lots of fresh, organic fruits and veggies, and > > steer away from the white flour, white sugar and processed foods. > > Good nutrition accompanied with keeping vaccinations or other > poisons > > (i.e. antibiotics or drugs like Tylenol and Motrin) out of your > > child's body will keep your child's system functioning optimally, > and > > keep her toxic load down. If your child's "toxic load" is low, she > > will be able to be around other children with minimal chances that > she > > will become sick herself. Also, in the event she does come with > > something, she will be able to overcome it and get well much quicker > > than the "normal", vaccinated child. > > > > We can't keep our children in a bubble, and by keeping them > secluded, > > we're also isolating ourselves. This isn't healthy, either. Nature > > provides our children's bodies with what they need to keep healthy. > > It's up to us not to interfere with that. Not vaxing/medicating > > (poisoning) + Good, nutritious food + lots of exercise + fresh air > and > > sunshine = Healthy, happy children. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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