Re: Re: Does the flu vaCcine actually do anything?

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But again --did you hear me in what I said about what we all get out of this??? did you get my email???Dr.Debbie Lang- Original Message ----From: <kelleyosean@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 9:14:07 PMSubject: Re: Does the flu vaCcine actually do anything?

Dr. obviously has too much time on her hands and should

be devoting this time to her practice, if indeed she has a viable one.

Her schizophrenic stance on vaccines has everyone baffled, or so

it appears by the responses she's receiving to her 'holier than thou'

attitude. She is not the authority here just because she has initials

after her name, and furthermore, is not an allopathic doctor, which

last time I checked, has the license to prescribe and diagnose. Not

that I have much faith or trust in allopathic doctors. They have their

place, but not in preventative medicine.

She talks from both sides of her mouth. First she's against vaccines, then she's

for them, conditionally so in the case of older people who are the last people,

next to babies and young children, who should never receive vaccines, in

particular the influenza vaccine w/its immune-compromising neurotoxic,

carcinogenic stew of ingredients. Check out Dr. Hugh Fudenberg for his

10-year study of the flu vaccine. His research confirmed that if one has had

5 consecutive flu shots, they increase their risk by 10x of developing Alzheimer's

due to the synergistic effect of aluminum and mercury in the form of thimerosol

which causes cognitive dysfunction. Of course, causing and 'treating' Alzheimers

is big business as is the 'treatment' of other vaccine-related illnesses.

I've been conducting vaccine research for over 20 years and of all the doctors

interviewed over the years, have found less than 5 who allow themselves to be

vaccinated. Also have witnessed firsthand the effects of vaccine reactions of

friends and neighbors who are dealing w/neurologically- damaged children 24/7.

I also give testimony at the capitol on vaccine-related bills and write editorials

on this subject.

Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

[Guest guest]

Glad to meet a true "expert" on natural health and an even

greater insight into my personality. I bow to your greatness.

ALL HAIL THE GREAT SEAN KELLY...hip-hip-hurray!!!!!

Dr. Lynda Hardin-Poston5109 Stotzer Pwy.College Station, TX 77845(979)260-1202Http://www.doctorlynda.comHealth, God's Way

Re: Does the flu vaCcine actually do anything?

Dr. obviously has too much time on her hands and should

be devoting this time to her practice, if indeed she has a viable one.

Her schizophrenic stance on vaccines has everyone baffled, or so

it appears by the responses she's receiving to her 'holier than thou'

attitude. She is not the authority here just because she has initials

after her name, and furthermore, is not an allopathic doctor, which

last time I checked, has the license to prescribe and diagnose. Not

that I have much faith or trust in allopathic doctors. They have their

place, but not in preventative medicine.

She talks from both sides of her mouth. First she's against vaccines, then she's

for them, conditionally so in the case of older people who are the last people,

next to babies and young children, who should never receive vaccines, in

particular the influenza vaccine w/its immune-compromising neurotoxic,

carcinogenic stew of ingredients. Check out Dr. Hugh Fudenberg for his

10-year study of the flu vaccine. His research confirmed that if one has had

5 consecutive flu shots, they increase their risk by 10x of developing Alzheimer's

due to the synergistic effect of aluminum and mercury in the form of thimerosol

which causes cognitive dysfunction. Of course, causing and 'treating' Alzheimers

is big business as is the 'treatment' of other vaccine-related illnesses.

I've been conducting vaccine research for over 20 years and of all the doctors

interviewed over the years, have found less than 5 who allow themselves to be

vaccinated. Also have witnessed firsthand the effects of vaccine reactions of

friends and neighbors who are dealing w/neurologically-damaged children 24/7.

I also give testimony at the capitol on vaccine-related bills and write editorials

on this subject.

Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

[Guest guest]

Thank you , for this email.On 09.01.2008, at 03:14, wrote:Dr. obviously has too much time on her hands and shouldbe devoting this time to her practice, if indeed she has a viable one. Her schizophrenic stance on vaccines has everyone baffled, or soit appears by the responses she's receiving to her 'holier than thou'attitude.  She is not the authority here just because she has initialsafter her name, and furthermore, is not an allopathic doctor, whichlast time I checked, has the license to prescribe and diagnose.  Notthat I have much faith or trust in allopathic doctors.  They have theirplace, but not in preventative medicine.  She talks from both sides of her mouth.  First she's against vaccines, then she'sfor them, conditionally so in the case of older people who are the last people,next to babies and young children, who should never receive vaccines, inparticular the influenza vaccine w/its immune-compromising neurotoxic,carcinogenic stew of ingredients.  Check out Dr. Hugh Fudenberg for his10-year study of the flu vaccine.  His research confirmed that if one has had5 consecutive flu shots, they increase their risk by 10x of developing Alzheimer'sdue to the synergistic effect of aluminum and mercury in the form of thimerosolwhich causes cognitive dysfunction.  Of course, causing and 'treating' Alzheimersis big business as is the 'treatment' of other vaccine-related illnesses.  I've been conducting vaccine research for over 20 years and of all the doctorsinterviewed over the years, have found less than 5 who allow themselves to bevaccinated.  Also have witnessed firsthand the effects of vaccine reactions offriends and neighbors who are dealing w/neurologically-damaged children 24/7.I also give testimony at the capitol on vaccine-related bills and write editorialson this subject.     Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

[Guest guest]

Where did you get your psychiatric degree, sir? Obviously,

you failed miserably as you are WAY off base about me and

my background. I know you are bating me, so I am playing

along. Why don't you go analyze yourself and leave

the thinking to the professionals, like me; you are too

transparent.

Dr. Lynda Hardin-Poston5109 Stotzer Pwy.College Station, TX 77845(979)260-1202Http://www.doctorlynda.comHealth, God's Way

Re: Does the flu vaCcine actually do anything?

Hello Fred and Mavis,

You both are right on w/your healthy views about the true facts of the

dangers that vaccines present. Dr. Mendelsohn was one of the most

knowledgeable, credible doctors I have ever met. He would be rolling

in his grave if he saw the state of medical 'care' today.

It's unfortunate that 'Dr.' has a difficult time accepting other viewpoints.

When one becomes defensive, they usually don't have a leg to stand on.

If one is truly in alignment w/their beliefs and knowledge, there is no need

to defend oneself. I feel she is misguided and perhaps feeling a twinge of

guilt in that her own parents have not been healthy role models and she is

somehow justifying the medical 'care' they have been given.

My own neighbor, Earl, will be 99 in April and has never taken prescription drugs

or vaccines of any kind. He calls them 'crap' and has lost several friends to drug

and vaccine reactions. Babies within 12 hours of birth are routinely given hepB

shots containing 25 mcg. of ethyl mercury in the form of thimerosol. 'Womb to

tomb, a customer for life' is the motto of the drug cos. The only safe vaccine is

no vaccine. Just say 'no' to vaccines.

Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

[Guest guest]

Fred,

thanks for the link to Dr Carley; I am always interested in new leads.

I haven’t

had chance to listen to her internet radio show as yet but wondered if you were

aware of her conduct while practicing medicine….

http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/carley1.html

Regards,

Joanne

From:

no-forced-vaccination

[mailto:no-forced-vaccination ] On Behalf Of Fred Kyburz

Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:40 PM

no-forced-vaccination

Subject: Re: Re: Does the flu vaCcine actually

do anything?

Thank you , for this email.

On 09.01.2008, at 03:14, wrote:

Dr. obviously has too much time on her hands and should

be devoting this time to her practice, if indeed she has a viable

one.

Her schizophrenic stance on vaccines has everyone baffled, or so

it appears by the responses she's receiving to her 'holier

than thou'

attitude. She is not the authority here just

because she has initials

after her name, and furthermore, is not an allopathic doctor,

which

last time I checked, has the license to prescribe and

diagnose. Not

that I have much faith or trust in allopathic doctors. They

have their

place, but not in preventative medicine.

She talks from both sides of her mouth. First she's against

vaccines, then she's

for them, conditionally so in the case of older people who are the

last people,

next to babies and young children, who should never receive

vaccines, in

particular the influenza vaccine w/its immune-compromising

neurotoxic,

carcinogenic stew of ingredients. Check out Dr. Hugh

Fudenberg for his

10-year study of the flu vaccine. His research confirmed

that if one has had

5 consecutive flu shots, they increase their risk by 10x of

developing Alzheimer's

due to the synergistic effect of aluminum and mercury in the form

of thimerosol

which causes cognitive dysfunction. Of course, causing and

'treating' Alzheimers

is big business as is the 'treatment' of other vaccine-related

illnesses.

I've been conducting vaccine research for over 20 years and of all

the doctors

interviewed over the years, have found less than 5 who allow

themselves to be

vaccinated. Also have witnessed firsthand the effects of

vaccine reactions of

friends and neighbors who are dealing w/neurologically-damaged

children 24/7.

I also give testimony at the capitol on vaccine-related bills and

write editorials

on this subject.

Never miss a thing. Make

your homepage.

[Guest guest]

Since you all love me so much, I decided to start my own

discussion group that is broader in concept than one

subject. There is only so much you can say about

forced vaccinations. Since the moderators have

chastised us for getting off subject, I decided a

forum where more than one subject can be discussed

is in order. So I have created one. If you want to join,

please feel free. It will be moderated, but not censored,

so if you wish to go over there and psychoanalyze me,

abuse me, praise me, or whatever, please feel free.

You can go here:

Health_Gods_Way_Naturally-subscribe

Everyone is welcome, even the ones who think I am

"off." I welcome everyone, even you, .

Dr. Lynda Hardin-Poston5109 Stotzer Pwy.College Station, TX 77845(979)260-1202Http://www.doctorlynda.comHealth, God's Way

Re: Does the flu vaCcine actually do anything?

Hello Fred and Mavis,

You both are right on w/your healthy views about the true facts of the

dangers that vaccines present. Dr. Mendelsohn was one of the most

knowledgeable, credible doctors I have ever met. He would be rolling

in his grave if he saw the state of medical 'care' today.

It's unfortunate that 'Dr.' has a difficult time accepting other viewpoints.

When one becomes defensive, they usually don't have a leg to stand on.

If one is truly in alignment w/their beliefs and knowledge, there is no need

to defend oneself. I feel she is misguided and perhaps feeling a twinge of

guilt in that her own parents have not been healthy role models and she is

somehow justifying the medical 'care' they have been given.

My own neighbor, Earl, will be 99 in April and has never taken prescription drugs

or vaccines of any kind. He calls them 'crap' and has lost several friends to drug

and vaccine reactions. Babies within 12 hours of birth are routinely given hepB

shots containing 25 mcg. of ethyl mercury in the form of thimerosol. 'Womb to

tomb, a customer for life' is the motto of the drug cos. The only safe vaccine is

no vaccine. Just say 'no' to vaccines.

Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

[Guest guest]

I have two kids, a son and a daughter, neither one had any kind of vaccine in their life.  The son is 36 and the daughter 33.  They are healthier than any of their friends.  I am very grateful to have had knowledge of vaccines as well as fluoride basically all my adult life.  Yes, it wasn't easy when the kids were in school with keeping them unvaccinated but it was no comparison with today.  It's much harder today but it still can be accomplished if done the right way.  And the longer we wait to take proper action the harder it will get.   I believe the only purpose for vaccinations is population control.  This seems to be a far-out view but when looked at the evidence there is no other explanation.  I am grateful for everyone who does work in this regard like yourself, educating people on the hazards of vaccines.  Thank you.On 09.01.2008, at 03:36, wrote:Hello Fred and Mavis, You both are right on w/your healthy views about the true facts of thedangers that vaccines present.  Dr. Mendelsohn was one of the mostknowledgeable, credible doctors I have ever met.  He would be rollingin his grave if he saw the state of medical 'care' today.  It's unfortunate that 'Dr.' has a difficult time accepting other viewpoints.When one becomes defensive, they usually don't have a leg to stand on. If one is truly in alignment w/their beliefs and knowledge, there is no needto defend oneself.  I feel she is misguided and perhaps feeling a twinge ofguilt in that her own parents have not been healthy role models and she issomehow justifying the medical 'care' they have been given.  My own neighbor , Earl, will be 99 in April and has never taken prescription drugsor vaccines of any kind.  He calls them 'crap' and has lost several friends to drugand vaccine reactions.  Babies within 12 hours of birth are routinely given hepBshots containing 25 mcg. of ethyl mercury in the form of thimerosol.  'Womb totomb, a customer for life' is the motto of the drug cos.  The only safe vaccine isno vaccine.  Just say 'no' to vaccines.Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

[Guest guest]

hi,

have just read some of my emails

i see that there are many opinions on vaccines

I, for one am a victim of mercury toxicity (vaccines and dental amalgams)

after 18 months of chelation, detox herbs and detox baths, lets not forget dental amalgam

removal and replacements.

i feel that if doctors and their families don' t allow vaccines, why should the rest

of the public at large?

my mercury reading was 14 , now below 1.5.

i still have times where i need to use fda and govt approved edta and dmsa

so far i have helped over 200 people review and get tested for heavy metal poisoning.

btw i do have letters behind my name but ASCP board certified. fortunately i was trained

by a group of doctors and pathologists that understood the whole body.

these days everyone is a specialist or parts man.

sort of like an auto mechanic that only knows how to change oil or rebulid engine?

it's too bad most doctors and medical laypersons cant understand medicine.

but of course hmo designated 15 minute physicals do not help.

also, since this is mercury related, thinks on how many other conditiosn and diseases

result from mercury toxicity.

ty dtyler01 (mulansmom2004)

Re: Does the flu vaCcine actually do anything?

Dr. obviously has too much time on her hands and should

be devoting this time to her practice, if indeed she has a viable one.

Her schizophrenic stance on vaccines has everyone baffled, or so

it appears by the responses she's receiving to her 'holier than thou'

attitude. She is not the authority here just because she has initials

after her name, and furthermore, is not an allopathic doctor, which

last time I checked, has the license to prescribe and diagnose. Not

that I have much faith or trust in allopathic doctors. They have their

place, but not in preventative medicine.

She talks from both sides of her mouth. First she's against vaccines, then she's

for them, conditionally so in the case of older people who are the last people,

to babies and young children, who should never receive vaccines, in

particular the influenza vaccine w/its immune-compromising neurotoxic,

carcinogenic stew of ingredients. Check out Dr. Hugh Fudenberg for his

10-year study of the flu vaccine. His research confirmed that if one has had

5 consecutive flu shots, they increase their risk by 10x of developing Alzheimer's

due to the synergistic effect of aluminum and mercury in the form of thimerosol

which causes cognitive dysfunction. Of course, causing and 'treating' Alzheimers

is big business as is the 'treatment' of other vaccine-related illnesses.

I've been conducting vaccine research for over 20 years and of all the doctors

interviewed over the years, have found less than 5 who allow themselves to be

vaccinated. Also have witnessed firsthand the effects of vaccine reactions of

friends and neighbors who are dealing w/neurologically-damaged children 24/7.

I also give testimony at the capitol on vaccine-related bills and write editorials

on this subject.

Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

[Guest guest]

Great!  I wish there would be more people aware of what's going on and what the governments are doing against the people.  But I believe that there is a great awakening in process.  Too many bad things are happening and more and more people are wondering what this is all about.  It's very unfortunate that the most defenseless are hurt the most, our children.  Thanks for your efforts.  Take care.  I better go to bed now.  It's 4:51 AM here.On 09.01.2008, at 04:18, kelleyosean wrote:Hi Fred,I also have two children, teens, who have never been vaccinatedand were born at home w/midwives. I couldn't imagine a betterstart for children. They too are among the healthiest of childrenand are very conscious about what goes into their body, mostlyorganic food, herbs, essential oils, etc. I applaud parents who think twice before allowing their childrento be innoculated w/a toxic serum of heavy metals, neuro-toxins,etc. Coming from a medical background, I had to stand my groundand read everything I could at that time and talked w/doctors andfamilies of vaccine-damaged children. Common sense told me injectingforeign substances, viruses, etc. was not right. I was fortunateto have many friends who also did not vaccinate and from them, Ilearned a lot. I recently attended a national autism conference here in CO andmet several doctors whose children suffered vaccine reactions andare now autistic. One doctor, in particular, said his researchindicated that indeed, vaccines w/the damage they confer, are thevehicle in which population control will happen. Keep 'em ignorant,sick and dependent on the system and they can't think for themselves.The US is currently the biggest drug pusher in the world, no surprisethere. Prescription drugs w/their myriad side effects includingdeath, put street dealers to shame. Only what pharma does is 'legal'and makes $$ for special interests. Of course I'm preaching to thechoir here. Thank you for your incisive thoughts and sticking toyour principles. > > >> > Hello Fred and Mavis,> >> > You both are right on w/your healthy views about the true facts of the> > dangers that vaccines present. Dr. Mendelsohn was one of the most> > knowledgeable, credible doctors I have ever met. He would be rolling> > in his grave if he saw the state of medical 'care' today.> >> > It's unfortunate that 'Dr.' has a difficult time accepting > > other viewpoints.> > When one becomes defensive, they usually don't have a leg to stand on.> > If one is truly in alignment w/their beliefs and knowledge, there > > is no need> > to defend oneself. I feel she is misguided and perhaps feeling a > > twinge of> > guilt in that her own parents have not been healthy role models and > > she is> > somehow justifying the medical 'care' they have been given.> >> > My own neighbor , Earl, will be 99 in April and has never taken > > prescription drugs> > or vaccines of any kind. He calls them 'crap' and has lost several > > friends to drug> > and vaccine reactions. Babies within 12 hours of birth are > > routinely given hepB> > shots containing 25 mcg. of ethyl mercury in the form of > > thimerosol. 'Womb to> > tomb, a customer for life' is the motto of the drug cos. The only > > safe vaccine is> > no vaccine. Just say 'no' to vaccines.> >> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Whether someone is pro or against vaccinations is irrelevant. Bottom line is that no self-anointed little government tin god acting on behalf of big pharma's Mengele clones has the right to inject a toxic witch brew concoction into my body or that of my kids or pets without my explicit consent! Subjecting any person to any medical procedure against that person's will constitutes a violation of the provisions of the Nuremberg Code.

Read Barbara Loe Fisher's comments below.

Ingrid Blank

NVIC E-news

FLU SHOT MANDATE LOOMS; FLU SHOT FAILS TO PROTECT

by Barbara Loe Fisher

In 2006, Mayo Clinic's Greg Poland, M.D., who has been a CDC vaccine policymaker and promotes worldwide use of multiple vaccines throughout life, called for mandatory vaccination of all health care workers with flu vaccine. http://www.sptimes.com/2 006/06/13/Tampabay/Expert_calls_for_heal.shtml. This year, the CDC issued a formal recommendation for all health care workers to do just that http://www.cidrap.u mn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/jul0207a cip.html Dr. Poland has also been instrumental in defending the "safety" of the highly reactive anthrax vaccine the U.S. Department of Defense has required all soldiers to get. http://www.vaccines.mil/documents/l ibrary/MilitaryImztn2005fulc.pdf. Last week, he called for all 300 million Americans to get a flu shot every year. http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/Flu/st ory?id=3781181Dr. Poland, like so many doctors in public health and pediatrics today, considers himself a "warrior" in the crusade to kill all infectious microbes that cause human disease. He says, "Vaccines are the singularly most important medical technology ever devised. We administer a series of vaccines over a lifetime to every single human being on earth." http://mayoresearch.mayo.edu /mayo/research/vaccine_research_group/ When ideology blinds a doctor, scientific truth is often the first casualty. A report out of Canada last week reveals that two of the three strains (Soloman Islands A, Wisconsin A, Malaysia selected by doctors at the World Health Organization and the CDC for North America "appear to be drifting and mutating, raising questions about how much protection this year's flu vaccine will offer." http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/ story/CTVNews/20071024/flu_shot_071024/20071024 ?hub=TopStories The Public Health Agency of Canada reports that the Wisconsin strain has already mutated into a different form than is contained in the vaccine and the Malaysia strain is also showing signs of mutating. This is similar to what happened in the 2003-2004 flu season when there was a mismatch of circulating flu strains with the ones selected for the flu vaccine. http://www.nvic.org/History/Newsl etters/%203770Reaction.pdf So just how effective will the flu shot be at preventing death and illness from the flu this year, especially for children, the chronically ill and the elderly?Probably not any more effective than it has ever been, which is not very effective according to yet another study in the medical literature ( Lancet Infect Dis. 2007;7:658-666). The Lancet reported this month that the elderly over age 70, who have always been targeted for flu vaccination because they account for 90 percent of all flu related deaths, may not be protected at all from dying from complications of the flu. Flu vaccine use by the elderly and those with chronic diseases has increased from 15% to 65% in the US and other high-income countries since 1980 but there has been no decrease in influenza-related mortality among these groups. The few clinical trials that have included elderly people have indicated there is a decrease in antibody responses and clinical benefits of flu vaccination as people age beyond 70 years. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/56339 3?src=mp This new report reinforces an analysis of flu vaccine clinical trials published last year in the British Medical Journal by Cochrane Collaboration researchers http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7574/912 The 2006 Cochrane Collaboration analysis found that the majority of published influenza vaccine studies were methodologically flawed with selection biases, cofounders and heavy reliance on non-randomized studies. Authors pointed out that potential confusion between respiratory infections caused by flu viruses and those caused by non-flu viruses can result in a misdiagnosis and gross overestimation of the true impact of influenza on death and illness in a given flu season (CDC officials have never produced documented evidence for the 36,000 deaths they attribute to the flu every year). The 2006 study concluded that too few clinical trials have been conducted to prove flu vaccine safety and current evidence indicates that use of inactivated influenza vaccine has only a modest or no effect on preventing flu in children or the elderly. Co-author Tom Jefferson, an Italian epidemiologist said "There is a big gap between policies promoting annual influenza vaccinations for most children and adults and supporting scientific evidence." NVIC has taken the position that the CDC should stop recommending annual influenza vaccination for all young children when there is insufficient scientific justification for it. http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr1031flu.htm Unfortunately, when the CDC makes a recommendation for universal use of vaccines, state mandates soon follow. Greg Poland's call for 300 million Americans to get an annual flu shot is a pretty good indicator the CDC will eventually follow suit and drug company lobbyists seeking higher profits will pressure state legislatures to institute flu vaccine mandates. Once every American has been softened up to accept an annual flu shot, more shots and mandates will follow.Only this time, the vaccine mandates will not just mean being barred from getting an education. Today, parental refusal to get a child vaccinated with all state mandated vaccines means the child can be barred from going to school or getting health insurance. Tomorrow vaccine mandates may mean being barred from getting a job or a driver's license unless you show proof you've saluted smartly and rolled up your sleeve for scores of new vaccines now being developed in more than 200 clinical trials worldwide. And that is a future that drug companies selling vaccines are convincing stockholders they can take all the way to the bank.

[Guest guest]

Whether someone is pro or against vaccinations is irrelevant. Bottom line is that no self-anointed little government tin god acting on behalf of big pharma's Mengele clones has the right to inject a toxic witch brew concoction into my body or that of my kids or pets without my explicit consent! Subjecting any person to any medical procedure against that person's will constitutes a violation of the provisions of the Nuremberg Code.

Read Barbara Loe Fisher's comments below.

Ingrid Blank

NVIC E-news

FLU SHOT MANDATE LOOMS; FLU SHOT FAILS TO PROTECT

by Barbara Loe Fisher

In 2006, Mayo Clinic's Greg Poland, M.D., who has been a CDC vaccine policymaker and promotes worldwide use of multiple vaccines throughout life, called for mandatory vaccination of all health care workers with flu vaccine. http://www.sptimes.com/2 006/06/13/Tampabay/Expert_calls_for_heal.shtml. This year, the CDC issued a formal recommendation for all health care workers to do just that http://www.cidrap.u mn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/jul0207a cip.html Dr. Poland has also been instrumental in defending the "safety" of the highly reactive anthrax vaccine the U.S. Department of Defense has required all soldiers to get. http://www.vaccines.mil/documents/l ibrary/MilitaryImztn2005fulc.pdf. Last week, he called for all 300 million Americans to get a flu shot every year. http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/Flu/st ory?id=3781181Dr. Poland, like so many doctors in public health and pediatrics today, considers himself a "warrior" in the crusade to kill all infectious microbes that cause human disease. He says, "Vaccines are the singularly most important medical technology ever devised. We administer a series of vaccines over a lifetime to every single human being on earth." http://mayoresearch.mayo.edu /mayo/research/vaccine_research_group/ When ideology blinds a doctor, scientific truth is often the first casualty. A report out of Canada last week reveals that two of the three strains (Soloman Islands A, Wisconsin A, Malaysia selected by doctors at the World Health Organization and the CDC for North America "appear to be drifting and mutating, raising questions about how much protection this year's flu vaccine will offer." http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/ story/CTVNews/20071024/flu_shot_071024/20071024 ?hub=TopStories The Public Health Agency of Canada reports that the Wisconsin strain has already mutated into a different form than is contained in the vaccine and the Malaysia strain is also showing signs of mutating. This is similar to what happened in the 2003-2004 flu season when there was a mismatch of circulating flu strains with the ones selected for the flu vaccine. http://www.nvic.org/History/Newsl etters/%203770Reaction.pdf So just how effective will the flu shot be at preventing death and illness from the flu this year, especially for children, the chronically ill and the elderly?Probably not any more effective than it has ever been, which is not very effective according to yet another study in the medical literature ( Lancet Infect Dis. 2007;7:658-666). The Lancet reported this month that the elderly over age 70, who have always been targeted for flu vaccination because they account for 90 percent of all flu related deaths, may not be protected at all from dying from complications of the flu. Flu vaccine use by the elderly and those with chronic diseases has increased from 15% to 65% in the US and other high-income countries since 1980 but there has been no decrease in influenza-related mortality among these groups. The few clinical trials that have included elderly people have indicated there is a decrease in antibody responses and clinical benefits of flu vaccination as people age beyond 70 years. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/56339 3?src=mp This new report reinforces an analysis of flu vaccine clinical trials published last year in the British Medical Journal by Cochrane Collaboration researchers http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7574/912 The 2006 Cochrane Collaboration analysis found that the majority of published influenza vaccine studies were methodologically flawed with selection biases, cofounders and heavy reliance on non-randomized studies. Authors pointed out that potential confusion between respiratory infections caused by flu viruses and those caused by non-flu viruses can result in a misdiagnosis and gross overestimation of the true impact of influenza on death and illness in a given flu season (CDC officials have never produced documented evidence for the 36,000 deaths they attribute to the flu every year). The 2006 study concluded that too few clinical trials have been conducted to prove flu vaccine safety and current evidence indicates that use of inactivated influenza vaccine has only a modest or no effect on preventing flu in children or the elderly. Co-author Tom Jefferson, an Italian epidemiologist said "There is a big gap between policies promoting annual influenza vaccinations for most children and adults and supporting scientific evidence." NVIC has taken the position that the CDC should stop recommending annual influenza vaccination for all young children when there is insufficient scientific justification for it. http://www.nvic.org/PressReleases/pr1031flu.htm Unfortunately, when the CDC makes a recommendation for universal use of vaccines, state mandates soon follow. Greg Poland's call for 300 million Americans to get an annual flu shot is a pretty good indicator the CDC will eventually follow suit and drug company lobbyists seeking higher profits will pressure state legislatures to institute flu vaccine mandates. Once every American has been softened up to accept an annual flu shot, more shots and mandates will follow.Only this time, the vaccine mandates will not just mean being barred from getting an education. Today, parental refusal to get a child vaccinated with all state mandated vaccines means the child can be barred from going to school or getting health insurance. Tomorrow vaccine mandates may mean being barred from getting a job or a driver's license unless you show proof you've saluted smartly and rolled up your sleeve for scores of new vaccines now being developed in more than 200 clinical trials worldwide. And that is a future that drug companies selling vaccines are convincing stockholders they can take all the way to the bank.

[Guest guest]

Once again, I think this site is getting out of hand..by many...why interact with any type of negativeness/ it is not productive..this is also childish and a waste of time...we need to put out heads together to devise a way that we can get to Washington before the Senate with much amo to stop the vaccines of babies for HIV and VitK...come on...lets not get sidetracked with personalities..it is a waste of valuable time...we have enough problems trying to get through the political mess..I have asked the Vitiman Attorney for some suggestions...please give your suggestions they mean allot if we are going to work as "one" Der Debbie

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Re: Does the flu vaCcine actually do anything?

Hello Fred and Mavis,

You both are right on w/your healthy views about the true facts of the

dangers that vaccines present. Dr. Mendelsohn was one of the most

knowledgeable, credible doctors I have ever met. He would be rolling

in his grave if he saw the state of medical 'care' today.

It's unfortunate that 'Dr.' has a difficult time accepting other viewpoints.

When one becomes defensive, they usually don't have a leg to stand on.

If one is truly in alignment w/their beliefs and knowledge, there is no need

to defend oneself. I feel she is misguided and perhaps feeling a twinge of

guilt in that her own parents have not been healthy role models and she is

somehow justifying the medical 'care' they have been given.

My own neighbor, Earl, will be 99 in April and has never taken prescription drugs

or vaccines of any kind. He calls them 'crap' and has lost several friends to drug

and vaccine reactions. Babies within 12 hours of birth are routinely given hepB

shots containing 25 mcg. of ethyl mercury in the form of thimerosol. 'Womb to

tomb, a customer for life' is the motto of the drug cos. The only safe vaccine is

no vaccine. Just say 'no' to vaccines.

Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

[Guest guest]

Once again, I think this site is getting out of hand..by many...why interact with any type of negativeness/ it is not productive..this is also childish and a waste of time...we need to put out heads together to devise a way that we can get to Washington before the Senate with much amo to stop the vaccines of babies for HIV and VitK...come on...lets not get sidetracked with personalities..it is a waste of valuable time...we have enough problems trying to get through the political mess..I have asked the Vitiman Attorney for some suggestions...please give your suggestions they mean allot if we are going to work as "one" Der Debbie

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Re: Does the flu vaCcine actually do anything?

Hello Fred and Mavis,

You both are right on w/your healthy views about the true facts of the

dangers that vaccines present. Dr. Mendelsohn was one of the most

knowledgeable, credible doctors I have ever met. He would be rolling

in his grave if he saw the state of medical 'care' today.

It's unfortunate that 'Dr.' has a difficult time accepting other viewpoints.

When one becomes defensive, they usually don't have a leg to stand on.

If one is truly in alignment w/their beliefs and knowledge, there is no need

to defend oneself. I feel she is misguided and perhaps feeling a twinge of

guilt in that her own parents have not been healthy role models and she is

somehow justifying the medical 'care' they have been given.

My own neighbor, Earl, will be 99 in April and has never taken prescription drugs

or vaccines of any kind. He calls them 'crap' and has lost several friends to drug

and vaccine reactions. Babies within 12 hours of birth are routinely given hepB

shots containing 25 mcg. of ethyl mercury in the form of thimerosol. 'Womb to

tomb, a customer for life' is the motto of the drug cos. The only safe vaccine is

no vaccine. Just say 'no' to vaccines.

Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for that! It will spur my passions for sure!

Mavis

"The only true gift is a portion of thyself."Ralph Waldo Emerson

In a message dated 1/9/2008 2:47:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kelleyosean@... writes:

The following quote

from Margaret Mead is one I live by: 'Never doubt that a small

group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.

Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.' Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for that! It will spur my passions for sure!

Mavis

"The only true gift is a portion of thyself."Ralph Waldo Emerson

In a message dated 1/9/2008 2:47:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kelleyosean@... writes:

The following quote

from Margaret Mead is one I live by: 'Never doubt that a small

group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.

Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.' Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Dear NFV Group,The members of this group have an astounding amount of information and power. Not everyone who reads our material belongs to the NFV group. , for example, how about writing a Reader Reporter article on your interviews with docs who do not allow themselves (and presumably their families) to be vaccinated? We will publish it in our eblast and on our blog.! Let's get the information out there.

Please write with as much factual documentation as you can OR write a personal account which does not need documentation but does need to be clear and focused. Let's get this enthusiasm out there!Please send Reader Reporter articles, along with your contact information to me at dr.laibow@...Yours in health and freedom,Dr. RimaOn Jan 9, 2008 9:14 AM, <

kelleyosean@...> wrote:

Dr. obviously has too much time on her hands and should be devoting this time to her practice, if indeed she has a viable one. Her schizophrenic stance on vaccines has everyone baffled, or so it appears by the responses she's receiving to her 'holier than thou' attitude. She is not the authority here just because she has initials after her name, and furthermore, is not an allopathic doctor, which

last time I checked, has the license to prescribe and diagnose. Not that I have much faith or trust in allopathic doctors. They have their place, but not in preventative medicine.

She talks from both sides of her mouth. First she's against vaccines, then she's for them, conditionally so in the case of older people who are the last people, next

to babies and young children, who should never receive vaccines, in particular the influenza vaccine w/its immune-compromising neurotoxic, carcinogenic stew of ingredients. Check out Dr. Hugh Fudenberg for his

10-year study of the flu vaccine. His research confirmed that if one has had 5 consecutive flu shots, they increase their risk by 10x of developing Alzheimer's due to the synergistic effect of aluminum and mercury in the form of thimerosol

which causes cognitive dysfunction. Of course, causing and 'treating' Alzheimers is big business as is the 'treatment' of other vaccine-related illnesses.

I've been conducting vaccine research for over 20 years and of all the doctors interviewed over the years, have found less than 5 who allow themselves to be vaccinated. Also have witnessed firsthand the effects

of vaccine reactions of friends and neighbors who are dealing w/neurologically-damaged children 24/7. I also give testimony at the capitol on vaccine-related bills and write editorials

on this subject. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.