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[Guest guest]



There was a lot more involved here than the case of an injured child.

The fact that this family didn't fit the "conventional mold" made the

authorities nervous. I believe it was all a ploy to get into the house

to see if he was stockpiling weapons, etc. You can almost bet that

was at the root of this whole thing.

You know we had a case right here in Texas where a child was

taken from her family because they weren't going to continue

her chemotherapy. There was another that involved a teenaged

boy. Each of these children were put on natural treatment and

did well, but the medical establishment and the authorities charged

the families with child abuse for not wanting to give their children

poison. Those are the cases that scare the crap out of me.

Dr. Lynda Hardin-Poston5109 Stotzer Pwy.College Station, TX 77845(979)260-1202Http://www.doctorlynda.comHealth, God's Way

Something Relevant to Our Topic

I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question?

Mavis

Monday, January 7, 2008

POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.

The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.

Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.

(Story continues below)

WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available.

Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

"I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.

According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.

The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.

The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.

He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.

The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.

The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that.

"This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND.

"The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.

So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.

The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.

Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."

They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.

Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.

The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.

However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically," he said.

"He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.

However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett.

"I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.

But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.

The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.

Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization.

"While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.

Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."

He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.

"My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.

He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.

"I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."

He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.

With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.

"Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.

Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.

"In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.

He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.

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[Guest guest]

That is not a sup rising story to me..it is very very sad, but this is what is going on throughout the country and especially in the land area...what can we do? We need to have a few good writers, doctors or just concerned people, even the "Vitim an Attorney" to know how to present facts on vaccines etc. to these people in control...namely judges, police ..I usually try to put them in the position of having their family treated this way, or being faced with vaccinating their own children or grandchildren...I also bring up the senate hearing being kept secret about thimerisol...for the sake of the almighty dollar...I believe in karma...I tell them...scare them...that one day they will awaken and a family member, maybe even

themselves will be faced with sever side effects....this makes them think...let them see children with ADD/ADHD.....keep it right in their faces...this is what I started to do years ago and I am not stopping....it has taken us ten years to finally get a cancer center in this country to use the product(natural) that we use for Cancer...as their first choice...and now it will more than likely be their only choice...you see karma is it...the chemo and radiation for the Oncology world is BACKFIRING...it is a business of death...so keep on keeping on...remember the "squeaky wheel gets the grease" go out and speak as I do...I talk and talk and talk...we need to educate...people really want the truth...but they are afraid...they need to feel that they have some protection...like the ability to refuse vaccines due to religious beliefs...we need to assist the state of land to adopt this also...bye for now Dr. Debbie

Something Relevant to Our Topic

I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question?

Mavis

Monday, January 7, 2008

POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.

The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.

Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.

(Story continues below)

WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available.

Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

"I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.

According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.

The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.

The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.

He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.

The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.

The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that.

"This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND.

"The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.

So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.

The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.

Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."

They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.

Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.

The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.

However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said.

"He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.

However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett.

"I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.

But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.

The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.

Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization.

"While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.

Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."

He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.

"My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.

He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.

"I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."

He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.

With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.

"Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.

Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.

"In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.

He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is approved....who is on first here? I think we need to teach some real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD....if I was not a Doctor who has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of humor....

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question?

Mavis

Monday, January 7, 2008

POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.

The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.

Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.

(Story continues below)

WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available.

Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

"I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.

According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.

The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.

The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.

He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.

The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.

The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that.

"This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND.

"The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.

So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.

The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.

Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."

They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.

Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.

The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.

However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said.

"He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.

However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett.

"I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.

But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.

The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.

Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization.

"While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.

Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."

He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.

"My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.

He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.

"I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."

He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.

With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.

"Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.

Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.

"In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.

He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is approved....who is on first here? I think we need to teach some real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD....if I was not a Doctor who has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of humor....

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question?

Mavis

Monday, January 7, 2008

POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.

The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.

Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.

(Story continues below)

WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available.

Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

"I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.

According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.

The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.

The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.

He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.

The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.

The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that.

"This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND.

"The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.

So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.

The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.

Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."

They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.

Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.

The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.

However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said.

"He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.

However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett.

"I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.

But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.

The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.

Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization.

"While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.

Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."

He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.

"My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.

He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.

"I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."

He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.

With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.

"Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.

Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.

"In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.

He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Yes, what can be done about such a case - or any case in which government agencies are heavy handed?  Why did it come to this point?What did we neglect to do if anything?Doesn't this sound like history repeats itself?Why does history repeat itself?I think we have to try to answer all these questions and more in order to come to a solution.Anyone has any ideas?On 09.01.2008, at 01:41, Lynda Hardin-Poston wrote:There was a lot more involved here than the case of an injured child.The fact that this family didn't fit the "conventional mold" made theauthorities nervous. I believe it was all a ploy to get into the houseto see if he was stockpiling weapons, etc. You can almost bet thatwas at the root of this whole thing. You know we had a case right here in Texas where a child wastaken from her family because they weren't going to continueher chemotherapy. There was another that involved a teenagedboy. Each of these children were put on natural treatment anddid well, but the medical establishment and the authorities chargedthe families with child abuse for not wanting to give their childrenpoison. Those are the cases that scare the crap out of me. Dr. Lynda Hardin-Poston5109 Stotzer Pwy.College Station, TX 77845(979)260-1202Http://www.doctorlynda.comHealth, God's Way  Something Relevant to Our TopicI got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose.  This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question? Mavis Monday, January 7, 2008POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplayPosted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. EasternBy Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily.comNearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.(Story continues below)WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee,also was not available.Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded."I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that."This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND."The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically," he said."He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett."I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization."While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in."My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter."I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said."Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities."In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]



I get so angry at the number of people on statins. Cholesterol isn't

the problem!! Cholesterol is GOOD and necessary!!! I have seen

people with severe neurological deficits caused by their cholesterol

level being too low due to statins, but the doctors still keep them

on the damned (are we allowed to say that here?) drugs.

It amazes me how people blindly follow their doctor's orders,

even when overwhelming evidence shows it is the wrong

direction. It is as if they are afraid the doctors will not like

them if they don't do as they are told.

I have a client with high blood pressure. I put him on a regime

to lower his blood pressure and get him off the drugs. He began

the regime and it was obvious his blood pressure was responding,

however, he would not quit taking the medication because he told

his doctor what he was doing had the doctor told him he would die

if he stopped taking the medicine, so he wouldn't stop taking it. How

stupid is that? I explained to him that the natural way is better than

the drugs because there is not the danger of side effects as there

is with the drugs, but he still did both. At least his blood pressure

stayed down. (sigh)

I have talked to people who have a lot of knowledge about proper

nutrition and supplementation but won't change over to natural

remedies in place of drugs. Why all the fear? Of course, that is

a rhetorical question because we know why; the allopaths use

scare tactics to keep them in line. Somehow, we must change

the perception about drugs vs. natural. Our biggest obstacle is

going to be the FDA and AMA. They go after anyone who stands

up with a vengeance.

If you have ever heard of Dr. Wallach, the guy who became

famous for the book Dead Doctors Don't Lie, he has been investigated,

arrested, persecuted, you name it, but he doesn't give up. He is now

a multimillionaire with a huge home in the Camen Islands. He just

hung in there and managed to keep from drowning. Not all

natural health professional are that lucky.

I don't know the answer, but you can bet I will keep plugging until

they throw my body on the fire. At least I am tenacious.

Dr. Lynda Hardin-Poston5109 Stotzer Pwy.College Station, TX 77845(979)260-1202Http://www.doctorlynda.comHealth, God's Way

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question?

Mavis

Monday, January 7, 2008

POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.

The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.

Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.

(Story continues below)

WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available.

Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

"I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.

According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.

The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.

The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.

He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.

The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.

The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that.

"This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND.

"The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.

So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.

The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.

Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."

They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.

Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.

The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.

However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said.

"He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.

However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett.

"I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.

But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.

The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.

Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization.

"While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.

Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."

He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.

"My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.

He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.

"I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."

He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.

With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.

"Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.

Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.

"In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.

He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

The question here is WHY are they doing this?  Why don't they allow natural cures?  Why is aspartame poisoning approved?  Why is thimerasol poisoning approved?  There must be a reason?  What is the reason?  When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I believe.  But we have to know the reason for these actions.  So what are these reasons?On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth@... wrote:That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is approved....who is on first here? I think we need to teach some real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD....if I was not a Doctor who has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of humor.... [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our TopicI got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose.  This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question? Mavis Monday, January 7, 2008POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplayPosted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. EasternBy Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily. comNearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.(Story continues below)WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available.Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded."I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that."This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND."The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said."He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett."I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization."While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in."My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter."I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said."Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities."In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

The question here is WHY are they doing this?  Why don't they allow natural cures?  Why is aspartame poisoning approved?  Why is thimerasol poisoning approved?  There must be a reason?  What is the reason?  When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I believe.  But we have to know the reason for these actions.  So what are these reasons?On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth@... wrote:That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is approved....who is on first here? I think we need to teach some real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD....if I was not a Doctor who has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of humor.... [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our TopicI got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose.  This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question? Mavis Monday, January 7, 2008POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplayPosted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. EasternBy Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily. comNearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.(Story continues below)WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available.Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded."I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that."This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND."The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said."He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett."I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization."While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in."My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter."I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said."Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities."In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control of then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that you knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about learning...Dr.D LangOriginal Message ----From: Fred Kyburz <fredk@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PMSubject: Re: Something Relevant to Our Topic

The question here is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they allow natural cures? Why is aspartame poisoning approved? Why is thimerasol poisoning approved? There must be a reason? What is the reason? When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I believe. But we have to know the reason for these actions. So what are these reasons?

On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote:

That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach some real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor who has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of humor....

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question?

Mavis

Monday, January 7, 2008

POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.

The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.

Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.

(Story continues below)

WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also

was not available.

Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

"I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.

According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.

The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.

The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.

He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.

The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.

The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that.

"This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND.

"The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.

So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.

The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.

Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."

They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.

Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.

The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.

However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said.

"He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.

However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett.

"I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.

But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.

The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.

Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization.

"While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.

Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."

He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.

"My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.

He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.

"I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."

He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.

With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.

"Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.

Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.

"In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.

He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Dr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact.  The drug companies only make money with sick people.  So they need to keep people sick in order to make more money.  But, and this is the crux, they use the doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated and 'educated' on the new drugs so the cycle continues.  Now, let's find out what happens.  The drug companies manufacture the poisons, which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for emergencies.  The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living.  The patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust and believe the doctor's knowledge.  It's a closed circle.  How can this circle be broken?  In order to break the chain do we  go after the strongest or the weakest link?  The weakest link of course.  Which one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim here?  Isn't it the doctor?  Now, the doctor might be considered also a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by the drug companies.  But I don't buy this argument because he has a brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his fellow man and kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year.  Now what happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his feet?  He might get angry.  He might get thoughtful.  In either case there is an open door for real education.  Only one of them has to change his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new trend has started.  Is this difficult to do?  In my experience, no.  I tell you a story.When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors there literature about vaccinations and fluoridation.  In the next flu season some of the doctors and a good percentage of the nurses steadfastly refused to take the flu shots.  I thought this was pretty easy.  Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not in our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart failure) my reputation preceded me.  Doctors asked me if it was ok with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed anything upon her.The second method that can be very successfully used is to write flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT team or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public what has happened.  This can backfire though.  But we cannot expect to have it both ways, meaning  being looked after by the government for our best interest.  The government looks first after its interest and secondly after the big corporations' interests.  We are right at the very end.  This means we have to look after our own best interests.  In order for this to be successful many people have to know what is really happening and then act accordingly.  That's were the problem comes in.  Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if only one individual is standing up to big brother.  It is a different story when that individual knows that a million people are backing him in case big brother puts up his back and fights back.   I have experienced this many times in the past 18 years.  That's how long I have been active in exposing government corruption.  So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get together with like minded people.  Take an incident that happened a short while ago.Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led up to the incident.Mention the people's names involved in the incident like the crew members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the judge who issued the order, etc.Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to a regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the government employees did, i.e go to jail.This cannot be done in one flyer.  It will have to be a continuing story.  In this story it will have to be explained what the government steps are during the flyer campaign.  This can be extremely interesting.I give you an example:In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long story and was extremely rude.  I wrote flyers on him and his behavior and distributed them in the town of the trial.  It ended up to be a series of 27 flyers.  Even today these flyers are still in circulation.  Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying to justify himself and every time it got worse for him.  Needless to say that he was very careful in the future.  Now, the corporate media is twisting the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't matter.  There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the other people might start thinking.Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent to the IRS.  I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker based on an illegal order by Revenue Canada.  The banker had to leave town and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone.  As far as I know I am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave them alone.  Normally people beg the tax department for mercy.   I have many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved.  Normally nobody argues with these guys.  When they realized that we were involved the got up and left without any argument.I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of jail term.  But what do we have to loose?  It can only get worse.  Unless we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship.  We are very close as it is.  It's up to the people.  People are in control if they choose to be in control.  It takes dedication, total honesty and an unshakable conviction.  Are people ready for that?  I don't know.  I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of their action or inaction.  Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 - 43 B.C. to think about:Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in oppositionand irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable laws of manemerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in oppression,chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law,established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil no matterthe noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged whenenforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the Law laid down byGod, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish tosurvive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts toadjudicate by the whim of venal judges.(Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted )On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth@... wrote:Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control of then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that you knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about learning...Dr.D LangOriginal Message ----From: Fred Kyburz <fredkairpost (DOT) net>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PMSubject: Re: Something Relevant to Our TopicThe question here is WHY are they doing this?  Why don't they allow natural cures?  Why is aspartame poisoning approved?  Why is thimerasol poisoning approved?  There must be a reason?  What is the reason?  When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I believe.  But we have to know the reason for these actions.  So what are these reasons?On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote:That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach some real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor who has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of humor.... [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our TopicI got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose.  This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question? Mavis Monday, January 7, 2008POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplayPosted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. EasternBy Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily. comNearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.(Story continues below)WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available.Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded."I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that."This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND."The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said."He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett."I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization."While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in."My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter."I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said."Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities."In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Dr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact.  The drug companies only make money with sick people.  So they need to keep people sick in order to make more money.  But, and this is the crux, they use the doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated and 'educated' on the new drugs so the cycle continues.  Now, let's find out what happens.  The drug companies manufacture the poisons, which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for emergencies.  The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living.  The patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust and believe the doctor's knowledge.  It's a closed circle.  How can this circle be broken?  In order to break the chain do we  go after the strongest or the weakest link?  The weakest link of course.  Which one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim here?  Isn't it the doctor?  Now, the doctor might be considered also a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by the drug companies.  But I don't buy this argument because he has a brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his fellow man and kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year.  Now what happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his feet?  He might get angry.  He might get thoughtful.  In either case there is an open door for real education.  Only one of them has to change his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new trend has started.  Is this difficult to do?  In my experience, no.  I tell you a story.When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors there literature about vaccinations and fluoridation.  In the next flu season some of the doctors and a good percentage of the nurses steadfastly refused to take the flu shots.  I thought this was pretty easy.  Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not in our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart failure) my reputation preceded me.  Doctors asked me if it was ok with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed anything upon her.The second method that can be very successfully used is to write flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT team or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public what has happened.  This can backfire though.  But we cannot expect to have it both ways, meaning  being looked after by the government for our best interest.  The government looks first after its interest and secondly after the big corporations' interests.  We are right at the very end.  This means we have to look after our own best interests.  In order for this to be successful many people have to know what is really happening and then act accordingly.  That's were the problem comes in.  Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if only one individual is standing up to big brother.  It is a different story when that individual knows that a million people are backing him in case big brother puts up his back and fights back.   I have experienced this many times in the past 18 years.  That's how long I have been active in exposing government corruption.  So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get together with like minded people.  Take an incident that happened a short while ago.Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led up to the incident.Mention the people's names involved in the incident like the crew members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the judge who issued the order, etc.Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to a regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the government employees did, i.e go to jail.This cannot be done in one flyer.  It will have to be a continuing story.  In this story it will have to be explained what the government steps are during the flyer campaign.  This can be extremely interesting.I give you an example:In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long story and was extremely rude.  I wrote flyers on him and his behavior and distributed them in the town of the trial.  It ended up to be a series of 27 flyers.  Even today these flyers are still in circulation.  Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying to justify himself and every time it got worse for him.  Needless to say that he was very careful in the future.  Now, the corporate media is twisting the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't matter.  There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the other people might start thinking.Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent to the IRS.  I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker based on an illegal order by Revenue Canada.  The banker had to leave town and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone.  As far as I know I am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave them alone.  Normally people beg the tax department for mercy.   I have many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved.  Normally nobody argues with these guys.  When they realized that we were involved the got up and left without any argument.I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of jail term.  But what do we have to loose?  It can only get worse.  Unless we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship.  We are very close as it is.  It's up to the people.  People are in control if they choose to be in control.  It takes dedication, total honesty and an unshakable conviction.  Are people ready for that?  I don't know.  I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of their action or inaction.  Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 - 43 B.C. to think about:Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in oppositionand irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable laws of manemerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in oppression,chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law,established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil no matterthe noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged whenenforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the Law laid down byGod, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish tosurvive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts toadjudicate by the whim of venal judges.(Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted )On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth@... wrote:Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control of then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that you knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about learning...Dr.D LangOriginal Message ----From: Fred Kyburz <fredkairpost (DOT) net>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PMSubject: Re: Something Relevant to Our TopicThe question here is WHY are they doing this?  Why don't they allow natural cures?  Why is aspartame poisoning approved?  Why is thimerasol poisoning approved?  There must be a reason?  What is the reason?  When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I believe.  But we have to know the reason for these actions.  So what are these reasons?On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote:That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach some real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor who has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of humor.... [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our TopicI got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose.  This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question? Mavis Monday, January 7, 2008POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplayPosted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. EasternBy Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily. comNearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.(Story continues below)WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available.Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded."I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that."This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND."The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said."He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett."I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization."While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in."My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter."I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said."Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities."In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Fred..please excuse the fact that my hands typed too fast and I was trying to do three things at once..thus I forgot to proof read!!! Guess you figured that out already!! Thank you for this email, I am so happy to meet someone who is as dedicated as myself. I gave up a career in music and also left Ophthalmology to become a Minister and Doctor of Metaphysical Science so that I could continue this work and not be threatened as my colleagues are, to have my MD removed. I then left NY/NJ/CT area as the FDA was watching me work with a natural cure and I mean cure(of course I am not permitted to say this) for Cancer...I think that this year, for the first time, we have young Doctors coming on board. I agree...the Doctors are the ones we

need to win over...I have been through it...had some older Docs( and I am 67) throw me out of hospitals, through my retinal photos out and my suggestions for treatment...Oncologist especially hate me...but we are winning slowly. Like you, we need masses...Look at what happened to Trudeau ion NY...they wanted to hang him in Westchester County..he did not know how to protect himself as we knew his research and documentation from former FDA employees and scientists and former drug company workers were true...he had an idea...he asked many of us to send out emails to as many as possible, asking them honestly to write him a letter and mail it to his office stating what they gained out of reading his book"What they don't want you to know about Natural Cures" He got thousands and thousands of letters...he went to court and after crucifying him, the judge asked what he had to say and what good or damage he felt his book did. told the Judge

that it was his right to Freedom of Speech, especially the truth, and that millions of Americans have appreciated the research and info he wrote in the book...The judge asked if he could prove that...and just like "Kringle" they doors opened to the court and about twenty volunteers came in with hugs bags of letters, letters, letters. put some on the Judge' s desk and he read them. the Judge told the FDA, Drug Companies and Insurance companies that the American People have spoken....there was no case against ...I know that we have to do the same thing...but how can we organize it and handle doing something like this...I do believe that something similar, letters worded with specifics about vaccines, sent by thousands of people to the right person in Washington would be great...also to the American Medical Association..what do you think? Dr.Debbie--- Original Message -PS an example is Dr. Finkelstein..he was the

head of Northern Westchester Hospital in NY and I had met with him regarding Haelan951 that I use for cancer patients..I was thrown out of the hospital by Oncology...Dr. Finkelstein really believed in Haelan951 and saw the results..he resigned from NWH and opened his own Health and Wellness Center around the corner about 8 or more years ago.....we are now finally getting into major cancer centers..no longer having to sneak around.....---From: Fred Kyburz <fredk@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:46:58 AMSubject: Re: Something Relevant to Our TopicDr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact. The drug companies only make money with sick people. So they need to keep people sick in order to make more money. But, and this is the crux, they use the doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated and 'educated' on the

new drugs so the cycle continues. Now, let's find out what happens. The drug companies manufacture the poisons, which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for emergencies. The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living. The patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust and believe the doctor's knowledge. It's a closed circle. How can this circle be broken? In order to break the chain do we go after the strongest or the weakest link? The weakest link of course. Which one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim here? Isn't it the doctor? Now, the doctor might be considered also a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by the drug companies. But I don't buy this argument because he has a brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his

fellow man and kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year. Now what happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his feet?

He might get angry. He might get thoughtful. In either case there is an open door for real education. Only one of them has to change his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new trend has started. Is this difficult to do? In my experience, no. I tell you a story.

When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors there literature about vaccinations and fluoridation. In the next flu season some of the doctors and a good percentage of the nurses steadfastly refused to take the flu shots. I thought this was pretty easy. Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not in our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart failure) my reputation preceded me. Doctors asked me if it was ok with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed anything upon her.

The second method that can be very successfully used is to write flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT team or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public what has happened. This can backfire though. But we cannot expect to have it both ways, meaning being looked after by the government for our best interest. The government looks first after its interest and secondly after the big corporations' interests. We are right at the very end. This means we have to look after our own best interests. In order for this to be successful many people have to know what is really happening and then act accordingly. That's were the problem comes in. Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if only one individual is standing up to big brother. It is a different story when that individual knows that a million people are backing him in case big brother puts up

his back and fights back. I have experienced this many times in the past 18 years. That's how long I have been active in exposing government corruption.

So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get together with like minded people.

Take an incident that happened a short while ago.

Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led up to the incident.

Mention the people's names involved in the incident like the crew members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the judge who issued the order, etc.

Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to a regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the government employees did, i.e go to jail.

This cannot be done in one flyer. It will have to be a continuing story. In this story it will have to be explained what the government steps are during the flyer campaign. This can be extremely interesting.

I give you an example:

In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long story and was extremely rude. I wrote flyers on him and his behavior and distributed them in the town of the trial. It ended up to be a series of 27 flyers. Even today these flyers are still in circulation. Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying to justify himself and every time it got worse for him. Needless to say that he was very careful in the future. Now, the corporate media is twisting the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't matter. There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the other people might start thinking.

Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent to the IRS. I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker based on an illegal order by Revenue Canada. The banker had to leave town and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone. As far as I know I am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave them alone. Normally people beg the tax department for mercy. I have many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved. Normally nobody argues with these guys. When they realized that we were involved the got up and left without any argument.

I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of jail term. But what do we have to loose? It can only get worse. Unless we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship. We are very close as it is. It's up to the people. People are in control if they choose to be in control. It takes dedication, total honesty and an unshakable conviction. Are people ready for that? I don't know. I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of their action or inaction.

Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 - 43 B.C. to think about:

Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in opposition

and irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable laws of man

emerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in oppression,

chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law,

established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil no matter

the noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged when

enforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the Law laid down by

God, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish to

survive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts to

adjudicate by the whim of venal judges.

(Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted )

On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth@... wrote:

Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control of then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that you knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about learning...Dr. D LangOriginal Message ----From: Fred Kyburz <fredkairpost (DOT) net>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PMSubject: Re: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

The question here is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they allow natural cures? Why is aspartame poisoning approved? Why is thimerasol poisoning approved? There must be a reason? What is the reason? When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I believe. But we have to know the reason for these actions. So what are these reasons?

On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote:

That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach some real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor who has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of humor....

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question?

Mavis

Monday, January 7, 2008

POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak. The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves. Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND. (Story continues below) WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available. Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded. "I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said. According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself. The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately. The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said. He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems. The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy. The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that. "This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND. "The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said. So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy. The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for. Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private." They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported. Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack. The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years. However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said. "He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said. However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett. "I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said. But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission. The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening. Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization. "While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said. Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him." He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in. "My attention was on my son," Shiflett said. He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter. "I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away." He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics. With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said. "Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said. Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities. "In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said. He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Fred..please excuse the fact that my hands typed too fast and I was trying to do three things at once..thus I forgot to proof read!!! Guess you figured that out already!! Thank you for this email, I am so happy to meet someone who is as dedicated as myself. I gave up a career in music and also left Ophthalmology to become a Minister and Doctor of Metaphysical Science so that I could continue this work and not be threatened as my colleagues are, to have my MD removed. I then left NY/NJ/CT area as the FDA was watching me work with a natural cure and I mean cure(of course I am not permitted to say this) for Cancer...I think that this year, for the first time, we have young Doctors coming on board. I agree...the Doctors are the ones we

need to win over...I have been through it...had some older Docs( and I am 67) throw me out of hospitals, through my retinal photos out and my suggestions for treatment...Oncologist especially hate me...but we are winning slowly. Like you, we need masses...Look at what happened to Trudeau ion NY...they wanted to hang him in Westchester County..he did not know how to protect himself as we knew his research and documentation from former FDA employees and scientists and former drug company workers were true...he had an idea...he asked many of us to send out emails to as many as possible, asking them honestly to write him a letter and mail it to his office stating what they gained out of reading his book"What they don't want you to know about Natural Cures" He got thousands and thousands of letters...he went to court and after crucifying him, the judge asked what he had to say and what good or damage he felt his book did. told the Judge

that it was his right to Freedom of Speech, especially the truth, and that millions of Americans have appreciated the research and info he wrote in the book...The judge asked if he could prove that...and just like "Kringle" they doors opened to the court and about twenty volunteers came in with hugs bags of letters, letters, letters. put some on the Judge' s desk and he read them. the Judge told the FDA, Drug Companies and Insurance companies that the American People have spoken....there was no case against ...I know that we have to do the same thing...but how can we organize it and handle doing something like this...I do believe that something similar, letters worded with specifics about vaccines, sent by thousands of people to the right person in Washington would be great...also to the American Medical Association..what do you think? Dr.Debbie--- Original Message -PS an example is Dr. Finkelstein..he was the

head of Northern Westchester Hospital in NY and I had met with him regarding Haelan951 that I use for cancer patients..I was thrown out of the hospital by Oncology...Dr. Finkelstein really believed in Haelan951 and saw the results..he resigned from NWH and opened his own Health and Wellness Center around the corner about 8 or more years ago.....we are now finally getting into major cancer centers..no longer having to sneak around.....---From: Fred Kyburz <fredk@...>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:46:58 AMSubject: Re: Something Relevant to Our TopicDr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact. The drug companies only make money with sick people. So they need to keep people sick in order to make more money. But, and this is the crux, they use the doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated and 'educated' on the

new drugs so the cycle continues. Now, let's find out what happens. The drug companies manufacture the poisons, which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for emergencies. The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living. The patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust and believe the doctor's knowledge. It's a closed circle. How can this circle be broken? In order to break the chain do we go after the strongest or the weakest link? The weakest link of course. Which one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim here? Isn't it the doctor? Now, the doctor might be considered also a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by the drug companies. But I don't buy this argument because he has a brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his

fellow man and kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year. Now what happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his feet?

He might get angry. He might get thoughtful. In either case there is an open door for real education. Only one of them has to change his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new trend has started. Is this difficult to do? In my experience, no. I tell you a story.

When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors there literature about vaccinations and fluoridation. In the next flu season some of the doctors and a good percentage of the nurses steadfastly refused to take the flu shots. I thought this was pretty easy. Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not in our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart failure) my reputation preceded me. Doctors asked me if it was ok with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed anything upon her.

The second method that can be very successfully used is to write flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT team or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public what has happened. This can backfire though. But we cannot expect to have it both ways, meaning being looked after by the government for our best interest. The government looks first after its interest and secondly after the big corporations' interests. We are right at the very end. This means we have to look after our own best interests. In order for this to be successful many people have to know what is really happening and then act accordingly. That's were the problem comes in. Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if only one individual is standing up to big brother. It is a different story when that individual knows that a million people are backing him in case big brother puts up

his back and fights back. I have experienced this many times in the past 18 years. That's how long I have been active in exposing government corruption.

So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get together with like minded people.

Take an incident that happened a short while ago.

Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led up to the incident.

Mention the people's names involved in the incident like the crew members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the judge who issued the order, etc.

Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to a regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the government employees did, i.e go to jail.

This cannot be done in one flyer. It will have to be a continuing story. In this story it will have to be explained what the government steps are during the flyer campaign. This can be extremely interesting.

I give you an example:

In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long story and was extremely rude. I wrote flyers on him and his behavior and distributed them in the town of the trial. It ended up to be a series of 27 flyers. Even today these flyers are still in circulation. Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying to justify himself and every time it got worse for him. Needless to say that he was very careful in the future. Now, the corporate media is twisting the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't matter. There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the other people might start thinking.

Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent to the IRS. I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker based on an illegal order by Revenue Canada. The banker had to leave town and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone. As far as I know I am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave them alone. Normally people beg the tax department for mercy. I have many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved. Normally nobody argues with these guys. When they realized that we were involved the got up and left without any argument.

I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of jail term. But what do we have to loose? It can only get worse. Unless we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship. We are very close as it is. It's up to the people. People are in control if they choose to be in control. It takes dedication, total honesty and an unshakable conviction. Are people ready for that? I don't know. I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of their action or inaction.

Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 - 43 B.C. to think about:

Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in opposition

and irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable laws of man

emerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in oppression,

chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law,

established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil no matter

the noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged when

enforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the Law laid down by

God, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish to

survive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts to

adjudicate by the whim of venal judges.

(Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted )

On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth@... wrote:

Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control of then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that you knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about learning...Dr. D LangOriginal Message ----From: Fred Kyburz <fredkairpost (DOT) net>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PMSubject: Re: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

The question here is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they allow natural cures? Why is aspartame poisoning approved? Why is thimerasol poisoning approved? There must be a reason? What is the reason? When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I believe. But we have to know the reason for these actions. So what are these reasons?

On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote:

That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach some real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor who has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of humor....

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question?

Mavis

Monday, January 7, 2008

POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak. The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves. Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND. (Story continues below) WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available. Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded. "I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said. According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself. The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately. The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said. He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems. The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy. The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that. "This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND. "The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said. So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy. The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for. Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private." They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported. Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack. The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years. However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said. "He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said. However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett. "I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said. But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission. The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening. Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization. "While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said. Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him." He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in. "My attention was on my son," Shiflett said. He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter. "I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away." He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics. With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said. "Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said. Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities. "In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said. He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say hi to everyone and introduce myself. I'm a mother of 2 (mostly unvaccinated children) and I work with military members re: forced vaccinations. The below story caught my attention re: the seizure of the 11 year old boy for "not providing medical care". I'm not sure if anyone is aware of these laws or not, or, if it's been previously discussed here, please excuse if I do a repeat - but Project Bioshield allows for the same thing in terms of vaccinations/medical care - as well as the Model State Health Preparedness Act (though a guideline only for states to use if they so choose (some have, some haven't)). It's getting pretty scary out there and I look forward to learning from others on this forum... majestichealth@... wrote: Fred..please excuse the fact that my hands typed too fast and I was trying to do three things at once..thus I forgot to proof read!!! Guess you figured that out already!! Thank you for this email, I am so happy to meet someone who is as dedicated as myself. I gave up a career in music and also left Ophthalmology to become a Minister and Doctor of Metaphysical Science so that I could continue this work and not be threatened as my colleagues are, to have my MD removed. I then left NY/NJ/CT area as the FDA was watching me work with a natural cure and I mean cure(of course I am not permitted

to say this) for Cancer...I think that this year, for the first time, we have young Doctors coming on board. I agree...the Doctors are the ones we need to win over...I have been through it...had some older Docs( and I am 67) throw me out of hospitals, through my retinal photos out and my suggestions for treatment...Oncologist especially hate me...but we are winning slowly. Like you, we need masses...Look at what happened to Trudeau ion NY...they wanted to hang him in Westchester County..he did not know how to protect himself as we knew his research and documentation from former FDA employees and scientists and former drug company workers were true...he had an idea...he asked many of us to send out emails to as many as possible, asking them honestly to write him a letter and mail it to his office stating what they gained out of reading his book"What they don't want you to know about Natural Cures" He got thousands and thousands of letters...he went to court

and after crucifying him, the judge asked what he had to say and what good or damage he felt his book did. told the Judge that it was his right to Freedom of Speech, especially the truth, and that millions of Americans have appreciated the research and info he wrote in the book...The judge asked if he could prove that...and just like "Kringle" they doors opened to the court and about twenty volunteers came in with hugs bags of letters, letters, letters. put some on the Judge' s desk and he read them. the Judge told the FDA, Drug Companies and Insurance companies that the American People have spoken....there was no case against ...I know that we have to do the same thing...but how can we organize it and handle doing something like this...I do believe that something similar, letters worded with specifics about vaccines, sent by thousands of people to the right person in Washington would be great...also to the American Medical

Association..what do you think? Dr.Debbie--- Original Message -PS an example is Dr. Finkelstein..he was the head of Northern Westchester Hospital in NY and I had met with him regarding Haelan951 that I use for cancer patients..I was thrown out of the hospital by Oncology...Dr. Finkelstein really believed in Haelan951 and saw the results..he resigned from NWH and opened his own Health and Wellness Center around the corner about 8 or more years ago.....we are now finally getting into major cancer centers..no longer having to sneak around.....---From: Fred Kyburz <fredkairpost (DOT) net>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:46:58 AMSubject: Re: Something Relevant to Our TopicDr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact. The drug companies only make money with sick people. So they need to keep people sick in order to make more money.

But, and this is the crux, they use the doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated and 'educated' on the new drugs so the cycle continues. Now, let's find out what happens. The drug companies manufacture the poisons, which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for emergencies. The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living. The patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust and believe the doctor's knowledge. It's a closed circle. How can this circle be broken? In order to break the chain do we go after the strongest or the weakest link? The weakest link of course. Which one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim here? Isn't it the doctor? Now, the doctor might be considered also a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by the drug companies. But I don't buy this argument because he has a

brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his fellow man and kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year. Now what happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his feet? He might get angry. He might get thoughtful. In either case there is an open door for real education. Only one of them has to change his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new trend has started. Is this difficult to do? In my experience, no. I tell you a story. When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors there literature about vaccinations and fluoridation. In the next flu season some of the doctors and a good

percentage of the nurses steadfastly refused to take the flu shots. I thought this was pretty easy. Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not in our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart failure) my reputation preceded me. Doctors asked me if it was ok with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed anything upon her. The second method that can be very successfully used is to write flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT team or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public what has happened. This can backfire though. But we cannot expect to have it both ways, meaning being looked after by the government for our best interest. The government looks first after its interest and secondly after the big corporations' interests. We are right at the very end. This means we

have to look after our own best interests. In order for this to be successful many people have to know what is really happening and then act accordingly. That's were the problem comes in. Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if only one individual is standing up to big brother. It is a different story when that individual knows that a million people are backing him in case big brother puts up his back and fights back. I have experienced this many times in the past 18 years. That's how long I have been active in exposing government corruption. So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get together with like minded people. Take an incident that happened a short while ago. Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led up to the incident. Mention the people's names involved in

the incident like the crew members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the judge who issued the order, etc. Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to a regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the government employees did, i.e go to jail. This cannot be done in one flyer. It will have to be a continuing story. In this story it will have to be explained what the government steps are during the flyer campaign. This can be extremely interesting. I give you an example: In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long story and was extremely rude. I wrote flyers on him and his behavior and distributed them in the town of the trial. It ended up to be a series of 27 flyers. Even today these flyers are still in circulation. Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying

to justify himself and every time it got worse for him. Needless to say that he was very careful in the future. Now, the corporate media is twisting the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't matter. There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the other people might start thinking. Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent to the IRS. I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker based on an illegal order by Revenue Canada. The banker had to leave town and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone. As far as I know I am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave them alone. Normally people beg the tax department for mercy. I have many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved. Normally

nobody argues with these guys. When they realized that we were involved the got up and left without any argument. I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of jail term. But what do we have to loose? It can only get worse. Unless we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship. We are very close as it is. It's up to the people. People are in control if they choose to be in control. It takes dedication, total honesty and an unshakable conviction. Are people ready for that? I don't know. I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of their action or inaction. Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 - 43 B.C. to think about: Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in opposition and irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable laws of man emerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in oppression, chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law, established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil no matter the noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged when enforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the

Law laid down by God, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish to survive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts to adjudicate by the whim of venal judges. (Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted ) On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth wrote: Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control of then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that you knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about learning...Dr. D LangOriginal Message ----From: Fred Kyburz <fredkairpost (DOT) net>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PMSubject: Re: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic The question here

is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they allow natural cures? Why is aspartame poisoning approved? Why is thimerasol poisoning approved? There must be a reason? What is the reason? When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I believe. But we have to know the reason for these actions. So what are these reasons? On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote: That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach some real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor who has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of humor.... [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can

we do prevent it is the question? Mavis Monday, January 7, 2008 POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak. The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves. Someone,

apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND. (Story continues below) WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available. Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded. "I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said. According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself. The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately. The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said. He immediately carried his son into their

home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems. The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy. The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that. "This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND. "The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said. So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy. The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for. Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private." They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported. Then,

following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack. The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years. However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said. "He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said. However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett. "I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff

said. But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission. The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening. Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization. "While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said. Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him." He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in. "My attention was on my son," Shiflett said. He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter. "I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they

got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away." He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics. With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said. "Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said. Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities. "In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals

held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said. He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Randi J. Airola, © 517-819-5926

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say hi to everyone and introduce myself. I'm a mother of 2 (mostly unvaccinated children) and I work with military members re: forced vaccinations. The below story caught my attention re: the seizure of the 11 year old boy for "not providing medical care". I'm not sure if anyone is aware of these laws or not, or, if it's been previously discussed here, please excuse if I do a repeat - but Project Bioshield allows for the same thing in terms of vaccinations/medical care - as well as the Model State Health Preparedness Act (though a guideline only for states to use if they so choose (some have, some haven't)). It's getting pretty scary out there and I look forward to learning from others on this forum... majestichealth@... wrote: Fred..please excuse the fact that my hands typed too fast and I was trying to do three things at once..thus I forgot to proof read!!! Guess you figured that out already!! Thank you for this email, I am so happy to meet someone who is as dedicated as myself. I gave up a career in music and also left Ophthalmology to become a Minister and Doctor of Metaphysical Science so that I could continue this work and not be threatened as my colleagues are, to have my MD removed. I then left NY/NJ/CT area as the FDA was watching me work with a natural cure and I mean cure(of course I am not permitted

to say this) for Cancer...I think that this year, for the first time, we have young Doctors coming on board. I agree...the Doctors are the ones we need to win over...I have been through it...had some older Docs( and I am 67) throw me out of hospitals, through my retinal photos out and my suggestions for treatment...Oncologist especially hate me...but we are winning slowly. Like you, we need masses...Look at what happened to Trudeau ion NY...they wanted to hang him in Westchester County..he did not know how to protect himself as we knew his research and documentation from former FDA employees and scientists and former drug company workers were true...he had an idea...he asked many of us to send out emails to as many as possible, asking them honestly to write him a letter and mail it to his office stating what they gained out of reading his book"What they don't want you to know about Natural Cures" He got thousands and thousands of letters...he went to court

and after crucifying him, the judge asked what he had to say and what good or damage he felt his book did. told the Judge that it was his right to Freedom of Speech, especially the truth, and that millions of Americans have appreciated the research and info he wrote in the book...The judge asked if he could prove that...and just like "Kringle" they doors opened to the court and about twenty volunteers came in with hugs bags of letters, letters, letters. put some on the Judge' s desk and he read them. the Judge told the FDA, Drug Companies and Insurance companies that the American People have spoken....there was no case against ...I know that we have to do the same thing...but how can we organize it and handle doing something like this...I do believe that something similar, letters worded with specifics about vaccines, sent by thousands of people to the right person in Washington would be great...also to the American Medical

Association..what do you think? Dr.Debbie--- Original Message -PS an example is Dr. Finkelstein..he was the head of Northern Westchester Hospital in NY and I had met with him regarding Haelan951 that I use for cancer patients..I was thrown out of the hospital by Oncology...Dr. Finkelstein really believed in Haelan951 and saw the results..he resigned from NWH and opened his own Health and Wellness Center around the corner about 8 or more years ago.....we are now finally getting into major cancer centers..no longer having to sneak around.....---From: Fred Kyburz <fredkairpost (DOT) net>no-forced-vaccination Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:46:58 AMSubject: Re: Something Relevant to Our TopicDr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact. The drug companies only make money with sick people. So they need to keep people sick in order to make more money.

But, and this is the crux, they use the doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated and 'educated' on the new drugs so the cycle continues. Now, let's find out what happens. The drug companies manufacture the poisons, which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for emergencies. The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living. The patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust and believe the doctor's knowledge. It's a closed circle. How can this circle be broken? In order to break the chain do we go after the strongest or the weakest link? The weakest link of course. Which one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim here? Isn't it the doctor? Now, the doctor might be considered also a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by the drug companies. But I don't buy this argument because he has a

brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his fellow man and kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year. Now what happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his feet? He might get angry. He might get thoughtful. In either case there is an open door for real education. Only one of them has to change his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new trend has started. Is this difficult to do? In my experience, no. I tell you a story. When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors there literature about vaccinations and fluoridation. In the next flu season some of the doctors and a good

percentage of the nurses steadfastly refused to take the flu shots. I thought this was pretty easy. Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not in our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart failure) my reputation preceded me. Doctors asked me if it was ok with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed anything upon her. The second method that can be very successfully used is to write flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT team or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public what has happened. This can backfire though. But we cannot expect to have it both ways, meaning being looked after by the government for our best interest. The government looks first after its interest and secondly after the big corporations' interests. We are right at the very end. This means we

have to look after our own best interests. In order for this to be successful many people have to know what is really happening and then act accordingly. That's were the problem comes in. Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if only one individual is standing up to big brother. It is a different story when that individual knows that a million people are backing him in case big brother puts up his back and fights back. I have experienced this many times in the past 18 years. That's how long I have been active in exposing government corruption. So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get together with like minded people. Take an incident that happened a short while ago. Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led up to the incident. Mention the people's names involved in

the incident like the crew members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the judge who issued the order, etc. Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to a regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the government employees did, i.e go to jail. This cannot be done in one flyer. It will have to be a continuing story. In this story it will have to be explained what the government steps are during the flyer campaign. This can be extremely interesting. I give you an example: In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long story and was extremely rude. I wrote flyers on him and his behavior and distributed them in the town of the trial. It ended up to be a series of 27 flyers. Even today these flyers are still in circulation. Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying

to justify himself and every time it got worse for him. Needless to say that he was very careful in the future. Now, the corporate media is twisting the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't matter. There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the other people might start thinking. Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent to the IRS. I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker based on an illegal order by Revenue Canada. The banker had to leave town and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone. As far as I know I am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave them alone. Normally people beg the tax department for mercy. I have many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved. Normally

nobody argues with these guys. When they realized that we were involved the got up and left without any argument. I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of jail term. But what do we have to loose? It can only get worse. Unless we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship. We are very close as it is. It's up to the people. People are in control if they choose to be in control. It takes dedication, total honesty and an unshakable conviction. Are people ready for that? I don't know. I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of their action or inaction. Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 - 43 B.C. to think about: Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in opposition and irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable laws of man emerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in oppression, chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law, established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil no matter the noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged when enforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the

Law laid down by God, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish to survive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts to adjudicate by the whim of venal judges. (Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted ) On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth wrote: Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control of then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that you knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about learning...Dr. D LangOriginal Message ----From: Fred Kyburz <fredkairpost (DOT) net>no-forced-vaccinati ongroups (DOT) comSent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PMSubject: Re: [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic The question here

is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they allow natural cures? Why is aspartame poisoning approved? Why is thimerasol poisoning approved? There must be a reason? What is the reason? When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I believe. But we have to know the reason for these actions. So what are these reasons? On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote: That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach some real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor who has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of humor.... [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can

we do prevent it is the question? Mavis Monday, January 7, 2008 POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak. The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves. Someone,

apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND. (Story continues below) WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available. Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded. "I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said. According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself. The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately. The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said. He immediately carried his son into their

home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems. The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy. The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that. "This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND. "The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said. So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy. The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for. Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private." They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported. Then,

following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack. The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years. However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said. "He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said. However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett. "I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff

said. But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission. The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening. Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization. "While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said. Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him." He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in. "My attention was on my son," Shiflett said. He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter. "I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they

got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away." He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics. With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said. "Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said. Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities. "In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals

held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said. He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Randi J. Airola, © 517-819-5926

[Guest guest]

Hi there...this is addressed to you and all on this site...I am trying to work with

Fred K on a plan to get flyers out there and get people to ban together and storm the government...if we do not do this in mass, they will not be afraid...we need to turn the fear around to them...they need to fear us as ONE...we can do it..is there anyone out there that wants to work on this ...we are in the beginning stages of trying to put a plan together..I just emailed you all a New Jerseymetting that is taking place on Monday...this is serious....Dr. Debbie

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question?

Mavis

Monday, January 7, 2008

POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak. The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves. Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND. (Story continues below) WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also

was not available. Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded. "I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said. According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself. The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately. The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said. He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems. The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy. The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that. "This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND. "The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said. So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy. The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for. Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private." They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported. Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack. The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years. However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said. "He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said. However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett. "I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said. But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission. The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening. Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization. "While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said. Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him." He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in. "My attention was on my son," Shiflett said. He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter. "I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away." He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics. With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said. "Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said. Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities. "In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said. He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

Randi J. Airola, © 517-819-5926

[Guest guest]

Hi there...this is addressed to you and all on this site...I am trying to work with

Fred K on a plan to get flyers out there and get people to ban together and storm the government...if we do not do this in mass, they will not be afraid...we need to turn the fear around to them...they need to fear us as ONE...we can do it..is there anyone out there that wants to work on this ...we are in the beginning stages of trying to put a plan together..I just emailed you all a New Jerseymetting that is taking place on Monday...this is serious....Dr. Debbie

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question?

Mavis

Monday, January 7, 2008

POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

Posted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh

© 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak. The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves. Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND. (Story continues below) WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also

was not available. Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded. "I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said. According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself. The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately. The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said. He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems. The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy. The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that. "This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND. "The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said. So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy. The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for. Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private." They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported. Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack. The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years. However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said. "He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said. However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett. "I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said. But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission. The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening. Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization. "While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said. Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him." He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in. "My attention was on my son," Shiflett said. He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter. "I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away." He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics. With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said. "Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said. Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities. "In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said. He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.

Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

Randi J. Airola, © 517-819-5926

[Guest guest]

Dr. Debbie, you will not get everyone to participate in this project.  This is something only very courageous  people will be willing to engage in and people who are very concerned about the slippery road their country is on.  It's one thing to talk about it and quite another to DO something about it.  I really would suggest to you to get in touch with your professional colleagues to dig up people in their data base who have vaccination damaged children.  These are the most likely prospects for participation.  Then others will follow.With Dr. Ron 's vote fraud it is the same process.  People of the different towns should get together and question the people involved in counting the votes.  Somebody will talk.  Then start to dig and don't stop till the culprits are exposed.  These things are very easily solved with the proper actions.  Then expose the shysters that engage in the vote fraud.  Don't forget that the men behind the scenes depend on the fraudsters in our midst to do their dirty work.  The men behind the scenes will not do it themselves.  The other point is that the government is an exact mirror image of the moral level of the people.  I know this is a hard pill to swallow but it is nevertheless the truth.  I always say: start to obey the law and the government will be FORCED to obey the law themselves.  if people would obey the constitution themselves there would be no way the government could, or would, violate it in every respect.  The government does it because people let them.  There are no consequences for the government for violating the constitution at every turn.  The people are the ones who are ultimately responsible.  Once the principle of exposure is well understood it can be applied to any situation.   Things are easily rectified if properly executed.Fred    On 10.01.2008, at 01:55, majestichealth@... wrote:Hi there...this is addressed to you and all on this site...I am trying to work withFred K on a plan to get flyers out there and get people to ban together and storm the government...if we do not do this in mass, they will not be afraid...we need to turn the fear around to them...they need to fear us as ONE...we can do it..is there anyone out there that wants to work on this ...we are in the beginning stages of trying to put a plan together..I just emailed you all a New Jerseymetting that is taking place on Monday...this is serious....Dr. Debbie [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our TopicI got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is certainly relevant to our topic and purpose.  This story is shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the question? Mavis Monday, January 7, 2008POLICE STATE, USASWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpointCops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplayPosted: January 7, 20081:00 a.m. EasternBy Bob Unruh© 2008 WorldNetDaily. comNearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.(Story continues below)WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/referee, also was not available.Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded."I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head, Shiflett said.He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and evaluate the boy.The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that."This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them have their way," a family acquaintance told WND."The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor did they act in a manner we would expect from professional paramedics," the acquaintance said.So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett familiy.The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the door and demanded to talk with "in private."They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch where the social workers could see him, the family reported.Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team attack.The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said."He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett."I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported they were looking into the case, because of requests from family friends who are members of the organization."While people can debate whether or not the father should have brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by government officials," a spokesman said.Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they didn't find anything wrong with him."He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but they followed his wife in the front door when she came in."My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face of Tom's 20-year-old daughter."I don't know where social services ever got started, or where they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we have something in this country that violates our rights, that takes a parental right away."He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to turn his child over to the paramedics.With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said."Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the judge," he said.Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities."In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their children," he said.He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.Randi J. Airola, © 517-819-5926

[Guest guest]

-Excellent points Fred. I applaud your courage to stand up for your

convictions and to give 'em hell. The only power that authorities

have is what we give them. As a true iconoclast, I question authority

when necessary. Keeping a moderate tone, although not always

possible, works best and the recipient is much more likely to listen.

I've gone up to doctors after vaccine-bill hearings and in front of

everyone (the more the better) I will chastise them if they've lied

during the hearing and make sure everyone knows about it. They don't

know what to think about me, except that I'm an informed, educated

person who is challenging the status quo. This worked well during our

Walmart battle and I've taken that attitude w/me into other hearings.

They're not used to people speaking up and instead would prefer we're

ignorant and kept in the dark. 'If you think education is expensive,

try ignorance.' A college education is great, but if not, anyone,

including myself, can become informed and focus their energy in a

take no prisoners attitude. Believe me, it has an effect, and like

you Fred, they never forget who you are or how many people you

represent. Keep 'em guessing and keep a low profile, if possible.

If not, use it to your advantage. Like Fred, my reputation precedes

me in certain arenas. I've now become known as the 'vaccine lady'

and I kind of like the title. I know enough to be dangerous and I am

still learning everything I can get my hands on. They never know how

much you truly know, except if you can talk the talk, they usually

listen to you.

-- In no-forced-vaccination , Fred Kyburz <fredk@...>

wrote:

>

> Dr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact. The drug companies

only

> make money with sick people. So they need to keep people sick in

> order to make more money. But, and this is the crux, they use the

> doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated

> and 'educated' on the new drugs so the cycle continues. Now,

let's

> find out what happens. The drug companies manufacture the

poisons,

> which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for

> emergencies. The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living.

The

> patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust

and

> believe the doctor's knowledge. It's a closed circle. How can

this

> circle be broken? In order to break the chain do we go after the

> strongest or the weakest link? The weakest link of course. Which

> one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim

> here? Isn't it the doctor? Now, the doctor might be considered

also

> a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by

> the drug companies. But I don't buy this argument because he has

a

> brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his

> conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his fellow man and

> kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year. Now what

> happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his

feet?

>

> He might get angry. He might get thoughtful. In either case

there

> is an open door for real education. Only one of them has to

change

> his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new

trend

> has started. Is this difficult to do? In my experience, no. I

tell

> you a story.

>

> When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors

there

> literature about vaccinations and fluoridation. In the next flu

> season some of the doctors and a good percentage of the nurses

> steadfastly refused to take the flu shots. I thought this was

pretty

> easy. Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not

in

> our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart

> failure) my reputation preceded me. Doctors asked me if it was ok

> with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed

> anything upon her.

>

> The second method that can be very successfully used is to write

> flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT

team

> or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public

what

> has happened. This can backfire though. But we cannot expect to

> have it both ways, meaning being looked after by the government

for

> our best interest. The government looks first after its interest

and

> secondly after the big corporations' interests. We are right at

the

> very end. This means we have to look after our own best

interests.

> In order for this to be successful many people have to know what

is

> really happening and then act accordingly. That's were the

problem

> comes in. Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if

only

> one individual is standing up to big brother. It is a different

> story when that individual knows that a million people are backing

> him in case big brother puts up his back and fights back. I have

> experienced this many times in the past 18 years. That's how long

I

> have been active in exposing government corruption.

>

> So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get

> together with like minded people.

> Take an incident that happened a short while ago.

> Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led

up

> to the incident.

> Mention the people's names involved in the incident like the crew

> members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the

> judge who issued the order, etc.

> Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to

a

> regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the

> government employees did, i.e go to jail.

> This cannot be done in one flyer. It will have to be a continuing

> story. In this story it will have to be explained what the

> government steps are during the flyer campaign. This can be

> extremely interesting.

>

> I give you an example:

> In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long

story

> and was extremely rude. I wrote flyers on him and his behavior

and

> distributed them in the town of the trial. It ended up to be a

> series of 27 flyers. Even today these flyers are still in

> circulation. Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying to

justify

> himself and every time it got worse for him. Needless to say that

he

> was very careful in the future. Now, the corporate media is

twisting

> the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't

matter.

> There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the

> other people might start thinking.

>

> Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent

to

> the IRS. I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of

> our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker

based

> on an illegal order by Revenue Canada. The banker had to leave

town

> and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone. As far as I know

I

> am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave

them

> alone. Normally people beg the tax department for mercy. I have

> many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved.

> Normally nobody argues with these guys. When they realized that

we

> were involved the got up and left without any argument.

>

> I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of

jail

> term. But what do we have to loose? It can only get worse.

Unless

> we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship. We

are

> very close as it is. It's up to the people. People are in

control

> if they choose to be in control. It takes dedication, total

honesty

> and an unshakable conviction. Are people ready for that? I don't

> know. I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of

> their action or inaction.

>

> Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 -

43

> B.C. to think about:

>

> Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in

> opposition

> and irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable

laws

> of man

> emerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in

oppression,

> chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law,

> established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil

no

> matter

> the noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged when

> enforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the Law laid

> down by

> God, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish

to

> survive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts

to

> adjudicate by the whim of venal judges.

>

> (Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted )

> On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth@... wrote:

>

> >

> > Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control

of

> > then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that

you

> > knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about

> > learning...Dr.D LangOriginal Message ----

> > From: Fred Kyburz <fredk@...>

> > no-forced-vaccination

> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PM

> > Subject: Re: Something Relevant to Our

Topic

> >

> > The question here is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they

allow

> > natural cures? Why is aspartame poisoning approved? Why is

> > thimerasol poisoning approved? There must be a reason? What is

> > the reason? When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I

> > believe. But we have to know the reason for these actions. So

> > what are these reasons?

> >

> > On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held

> >> back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet

> >> aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is

> >> approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach

some

> >> real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people

making

> >> these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they

are

> >> doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever

> >> headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor

who

> >> has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with

> >> the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in

> >> this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense

of

> >> humor....

> >>

> >> [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

> >>

> >> I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is

> >> certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is

> >> shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being

> >> forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything

else

> >> is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the

> >> question?

> >>

> >> Mavis

> >>

> >>

> >> Monday, January 7, 2008

> >> POLICE STATE, USA

> >> SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint

> >> Cops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

> >> Posted: January 7, 2008

> >> 1:00 a.m. Eastern

> >>

> >> By Bob Unruh

> >> © 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

> >> Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western

Colorado

> >> punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home

with

> >> guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an

> >> accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of

> >> Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.

> >> The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at

> >> gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend

assault,

> >> and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic

was

> >> upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.

> >> Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police,

the

> >> sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing

Leoniak

> >> with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to

the

> >> sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home

in

> >> a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the

father,

> >> Tom Shiflett, told WND.

> >> (Story continues below)

> >> WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were

not

> >> returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court

clerk/

> >> referee, also was not available.

> >> Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he

> >> ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

> >> " I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the

child,

> >> and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did, " he

said.

> >> According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10

> >> children including six still at home, and served with

paramedics

> >> in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.

> >> The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't

> >> adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to

a

> >> hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him

immediately.

> >> The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND.

> >> was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was

> >> starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground

and

> >> hit his head, Shiflett said.

> >> He immediately carried his son into their home several doors

away,

> >> and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell

words

> >> as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken

> >> bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.

> >> The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided

> >> not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare

> >> Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see

and

> >> evaluate the boy.

> >> The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no

> >> significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital

for

> >> an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family

> >> refused to allow that.

> >> " This apparently did not go over well with one of the

paramedics

> >> and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them

> >> have their way, " a family acquaintance told WND.

> >> " The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision,

nor

> >> did they act in a manner we would expect from professional

> >> paramedics, " the acquaintance said.

> >> So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND,

> >> called police, only to be told the decision was up to the

Shiflett

> >> familiy.

> >> The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers

> >> responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared

for.

> >> Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at

the

> >> door and demanded to talk with " in private. "

> >> They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of

the

> >> bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch

> >> where the social workers could see him, the family reported.

> >> Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family

> >> settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT

team

> >> attack.

> >> The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was

justified

> >> because the father was a " self-proclaimed constitutionalist "

and

> >> had made threats and " comments " over the years.

> >> However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of

the

> >> father's illegal behavior. " I can't tell you specifically, " he

said.

> >> " He was refusing to provide medical care, " the sheriff said.

> >> However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in

an

> >> at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions

on

> >> their healthcare, as did Shiflett.

> >> " I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that

> >> decision, " the sheriff said.

> >> But he said Shiflett was " rude and confrontational " when the

> >> paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.

> >> The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been

at

> >> least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened

> >> Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday

evening.

> >> Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association

reported

> >> they were looking into the case, because of requests from

family

> >> friends who are members of the organization.

> >> " While people can debate whether or not the father should have

> >> brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind

of

> >> emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by

> >> government officials, " a spokesman said.

> >> Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the

physician, " they

> >> didn't find anything wrong with him. "

> >> He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but

> >> they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.

> >> " My attention was on my son, " Shiflett said.

> >> He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod,

> >> and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the

face

> >> of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.

> >> " I don't know where social services ever got started, or where

> >> they got their authority, " he said. " But I want to know why we

> >> have something in this country that violates our rights, that

> >> takes a parental right away. "

> >> He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he

> >> recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing

to

> >> turn his child over to the paramedics.

> >> With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if

he

> >> hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.

> >> " Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm

going

> >> to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the

> >> judge, " he said.

> >> Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a

> >> set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.

> >> " In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that

> >> parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including

a

> >> liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their

> >> children, " he said.

> >> He also said many social services agencies apply " a one size

fits

> >> all approach " to cases, regardless of circumstances.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new

year.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-Excellent points Fred. I applaud your courage to stand up for your

convictions and to give 'em hell. The only power that authorities

have is what we give them. As a true iconoclast, I question authority

when necessary. Keeping a moderate tone, although not always

possible, works best and the recipient is much more likely to listen.

I've gone up to doctors after vaccine-bill hearings and in front of

everyone (the more the better) I will chastise them if they've lied

during the hearing and make sure everyone knows about it. They don't

know what to think about me, except that I'm an informed, educated

person who is challenging the status quo. This worked well during our

Walmart battle and I've taken that attitude w/me into other hearings.

They're not used to people speaking up and instead would prefer we're

ignorant and kept in the dark. 'If you think education is expensive,

try ignorance.' A college education is great, but if not, anyone,

including myself, can become informed and focus their energy in a

take no prisoners attitude. Believe me, it has an effect, and like

you Fred, they never forget who you are or how many people you

represent. Keep 'em guessing and keep a low profile, if possible.

If not, use it to your advantage. Like Fred, my reputation precedes

me in certain arenas. I've now become known as the 'vaccine lady'

and I kind of like the title. I know enough to be dangerous and I am

still learning everything I can get my hands on. They never know how

much you truly know, except if you can talk the talk, they usually

listen to you.

-- In no-forced-vaccination , Fred Kyburz <fredk@...>

wrote:

>

> Dr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact. The drug companies

only

> make money with sick people. So they need to keep people sick in

> order to make more money. But, and this is the crux, they use the

> doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated

> and 'educated' on the new drugs so the cycle continues. Now,

let's

> find out what happens. The drug companies manufacture the

poisons,

> which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for

> emergencies. The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living.

The

> patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust

and

> believe the doctor's knowledge. It's a closed circle. How can

this

> circle be broken? In order to break the chain do we go after the

> strongest or the weakest link? The weakest link of course. Which

> one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim

> here? Isn't it the doctor? Now, the doctor might be considered

also

> a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by

> the drug companies. But I don't buy this argument because he has

a

> brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his

> conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his fellow man and

> kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year. Now what

> happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his

feet?

>

> He might get angry. He might get thoughtful. In either case

there

> is an open door for real education. Only one of them has to

change

> his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new

trend

> has started. Is this difficult to do? In my experience, no. I

tell

> you a story.

>

> When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors

there

> literature about vaccinations and fluoridation. In the next flu

> season some of the doctors and a good percentage of the nurses

> steadfastly refused to take the flu shots. I thought this was

pretty

> easy. Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not

in

> our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart

> failure) my reputation preceded me. Doctors asked me if it was ok

> with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed

> anything upon her.

>

> The second method that can be very successfully used is to write

> flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT

team

> or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public

what

> has happened. This can backfire though. But we cannot expect to

> have it both ways, meaning being looked after by the government

for

> our best interest. The government looks first after its interest

and

> secondly after the big corporations' interests. We are right at

the

> very end. This means we have to look after our own best

interests.

> In order for this to be successful many people have to know what

is

> really happening and then act accordingly. That's were the

problem

> comes in. Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if

only

> one individual is standing up to big brother. It is a different

> story when that individual knows that a million people are backing

> him in case big brother puts up his back and fights back. I have

> experienced this many times in the past 18 years. That's how long

I

> have been active in exposing government corruption.

>

> So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get

> together with like minded people.

> Take an incident that happened a short while ago.

> Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led

up

> to the incident.

> Mention the people's names involved in the incident like the crew

> members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the

> judge who issued the order, etc.

> Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to

a

> regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the

> government employees did, i.e go to jail.

> This cannot be done in one flyer. It will have to be a continuing

> story. In this story it will have to be explained what the

> government steps are during the flyer campaign. This can be

> extremely interesting.

>

> I give you an example:

> In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long

story

> and was extremely rude. I wrote flyers on him and his behavior

and

> distributed them in the town of the trial. It ended up to be a

> series of 27 flyers. Even today these flyers are still in

> circulation. Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying to

justify

> himself and every time it got worse for him. Needless to say that

he

> was very careful in the future. Now, the corporate media is

twisting

> the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't

matter.

> There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the

> other people might start thinking.

>

> Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent

to

> the IRS. I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of

> our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker

based

> on an illegal order by Revenue Canada. The banker had to leave

town

> and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone. As far as I know

I

> am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave

them

> alone. Normally people beg the tax department for mercy. I have

> many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved.

> Normally nobody argues with these guys. When they realized that

we

> were involved the got up and left without any argument.

>

> I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of

jail

> term. But what do we have to loose? It can only get worse.

Unless

> we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship. We

are

> very close as it is. It's up to the people. People are in

control

> if they choose to be in control. It takes dedication, total

honesty

> and an unshakable conviction. Are people ready for that? I don't

> know. I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of

> their action or inaction.

>

> Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 -

43

> B.C. to think about:

>

> Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in

> opposition

> and irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable

laws

> of man

> emerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in

oppression,

> chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law,

> established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil

no

> matter

> the noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged when

> enforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the Law laid

> down by

> God, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish

to

> survive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts

to

> adjudicate by the whim of venal judges.

>

> (Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted )

> On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth@... wrote:

>

> >

> > Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control

of

> > then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that

you

> > knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about

> > learning...Dr.D LangOriginal Message ----

> > From: Fred Kyburz <fredk@...>

> > no-forced-vaccination

> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PM

> > Subject: Re: Something Relevant to Our

Topic

> >

> > The question here is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they

allow

> > natural cures? Why is aspartame poisoning approved? Why is

> > thimerasol poisoning approved? There must be a reason? What is

> > the reason? When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I

> > believe. But we have to know the reason for these actions. So

> > what are these reasons?

> >

> > On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held

> >> back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet

> >> aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is

> >> approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach

some

> >> real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people

making

> >> these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they

are

> >> doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever

> >> headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor

who

> >> has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with

> >> the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in

> >> this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense

of

> >> humor....

> >>

> >> [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic

> >>

> >> I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is

> >> certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is

> >> shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being

> >> forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything

else

> >> is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the

> >> question?

> >>

> >> Mavis

> >>

> >>

> >> Monday, January 7, 2008

> >> POLICE STATE, USA

> >> SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint

> >> Cops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay

> >> Posted: January 7, 2008

> >> 1:00 a.m. Eastern

> >>

> >> By Bob Unruh

> >> © 2008 WorldNetDaily. com

> >> Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western

Colorado

> >> punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home

with

> >> guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an

> >> accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of

> >> Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.

> >> The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at

> >> gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend

assault,

> >> and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic

was

> >> upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.

> >> Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police,

the

> >> sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing

Leoniak

> >> with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to

the

> >> sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home

in

> >> a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the

father,

> >> Tom Shiflett, told WND.

> >> (Story continues below)

> >> WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were

not

> >> returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court

clerk/

> >> referee, also was not available.

> >> Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he

> >> ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.

> >> " I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the

child,

> >> and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did, " he

said.

> >> According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10

> >> children including six still at home, and served with

paramedics

> >> in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.

> >> The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't

> >> adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to

a

> >> hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him

immediately.

> >> The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND.

> >> was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was

> >> starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground

and

> >> hit his head, Shiflett said.

> >> He immediately carried his son into their home several doors

away,

> >> and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell

words

> >> as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken

> >> bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.

> >> The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided

> >> not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare

> >> Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see

and

> >> evaluate the boy.

> >> The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no

> >> significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital

for

> >> an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family

> >> refused to allow that.

> >> " This apparently did not go over well with one of the

paramedics

> >> and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them

> >> have their way, " a family acquaintance told WND.

> >> " The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision,

nor

> >> did they act in a manner we would expect from professional

> >> paramedics, " the acquaintance said.

> >> So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND,

> >> called police, only to be told the decision was up to the

Shiflett

> >> familiy.

> >> The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers

> >> responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared

for.

> >> Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at

the

> >> door and demanded to talk with " in private. "

> >> They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of

the

> >> bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch

> >> where the social workers could see him, the family reported.

> >> Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family

> >> settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT

team

> >> attack.

> >> The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was

justified

> >> because the father was a " self-proclaimed constitutionalist "

and

> >> had made threats and " comments " over the years.

> >> However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of

the

> >> father's illegal behavior. " I can't tell you specifically, " he

said.

> >> " He was refusing to provide medical care, " the sheriff said.

> >> However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in

an

> >> at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions

on

> >> their healthcare, as did Shiflett.

> >> " I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that

> >> decision, " the sheriff said.

> >> But he said Shiflett was " rude and confrontational " when the

> >> paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.

> >> The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been

at

> >> least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened

> >> Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday

evening.

> >> Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association

reported

> >> they were looking into the case, because of requests from

family

> >> friends who are members of the organization.

> >> " While people can debate whether or not the father should have

> >> brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind

of

> >> emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by

> >> government officials, " a spokesman said.

> >> Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the

physician, " they

> >> didn't find anything wrong with him. "

> >> He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but

> >> they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.

> >> " My attention was on my son, " Shiflett said.

> >> He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod,

> >> and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the

face

> >> of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.

> >> " I don't know where social services ever got started, or where

> >> they got their authority, " he said. " But I want to know why we

> >> have something in this country that violates our rights, that

> >> takes a parental right away. "

> >> He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he

> >> recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing

to

> >> turn his child over to the paramedics.

> >> With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if

he

> >> hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.

> >> " Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm

going

> >> to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the

> >> judge, " he said.

> >> Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a

> >> set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.

> >> " In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that

> >> parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including

a

> >> liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their

> >> children, " he said.

> >> He also said many social services agencies apply " a one size

fits

> >> all approach " to cases, regardless of circumstances.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new

year.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you .  Again I will answer/comment in red after particular sentences for ease of following.On 10.01.2008, at 19:17, kelleyosean wrote:-Excellent points Fred. I applaud your courage to stand up for your convictions and to give 'em hell. The only power that authorities have is what we give them. This is a point of utmost importance.  If we stay silent on a certain issue the authorities take this silence as agreement.  This is why it is so important to speak up.  This is also a reason why the US government is trying now to silence ANY opposition to their diabolical agenda.  As a true iconoclast, I question authority when necessary. Keeping a moderate tone, although not always possible, works best and the recipient is much more likely to listen. I've gone up to doctors after vaccine-bill hearings and in front of everyone (the more the better) I will chastise them if they've lied during the hearing and make sure everyone knows about it. This is exactly what they fear incredibly.  They fear nothing like exposure as regular individual do.  Imagine how it would feel to you if the government would write something about you you have done in the past that was not up to the gold standard (and everyone did).  You would like to hide forever, right.  You would not venture outside for some time.  You would be ashamed and hope no one recognizes you.  People in government have the same feelings, some more some less depending of how many scruples they still have.  The doctors you chastised will remember you forever.  How would it feel to an individual now if this did not happen just once - if it happened a number of times with flyers and the results of the transgressions would be elaborated on in detail?  Of course this exposure would have to take place in the hometown of the individual committing the transgressions.  They don't know what to think about me, except that I'm an informed, educated person who is challenging the status quo. This worked well during our Walmart battle and I've taken that attitude w/me into other hearings. They're not used to people speaking up and instead would prefer we're ignorant and kept in the dark. 'If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.' A college education is great, but if not, anyone, including myself, can become informed and focus their energy in a take no prisoners attitude. Believe me, it has an effect, and like you Fred, they never forget who you are or how many people you represent. Keep 'em guessing and keep a low profile, if possible.  This low profile can be very, very important.If not, use it to your advantage. Like Fred, my reputation precedes me in certain arenas. I've now become known as the 'vaccine lady' and I kind of like the title. I know enough to be dangerous and I am still learning everything I can get my hands on. They never know how much you truly know, except if you can talk the talk, they usually listen to you.  If 1/10 of 1% of Americans were INTERESTED and CONCERNED about the future of their country Bush and company could not do what they are doing to America and the world.  Neither could Pharma.  It all goes back to the INDIVIDUAL.  The individual has tremendous powers.  A totally convinced individual can change a country around.  Think of Ghandhi!  He didn't use any violence.  Yet he brought the greatest world power at that time to its knees.  If the Indian people would have understood the principles he lived by and tried to teach them India would have become the greatest world power of all time.   Ghandhi was jailed innumerable times yet it didn't bother him.  On one occasion the prison guards gave him money so he could find transportation home.  He didn't want to leave since he didn't have any money and he told them so.  So they paid him in order to get home.  He turned the table constantly on them.  On the other hand it took tremendous sacrifices from the Indian people.  If the American people do not wake up in a hurry their sacrifices will be much greater.  A full blown dictatorship is in the making in the United States of America.  I am surprised that Ron does not have the support of at least 80% of Americans.  This shows how ignorant they are to the situation they are in at this very moment.Fred -- In no-forced-vaccination , Fred Kyburz <fredk@...> wrote:>> Dr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact. The drug companies only > make money with sick people. So they need to keep people sick in > order to make more money. But, and this is the crux, they use the > doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated > and 'educated' on the new drugs so the cycle continues. Now, let's > find out what happens. The drug companies manufacture the poisons, > which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for > emergencies. The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living. The > patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust and > believe the doctor's knowledge. It's a closed circle. How can this > circle be broken? In order to break the chain do we go after the > strongest or the weakest link? The weakest link of course. Which > one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim > here? Isn't it the doctor? Now, the doctor might be considered also > a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by > the drug companies. But I don't buy this argument because he has a > brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his > conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his fellow man and > kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year. Now what > happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his feet?> > He might get angry. He might get thoughtful. In either case there > is an open door for real education. Only one of them has to change > his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new trend > has started. Is this difficult to do? In my experience, no. I tell > you a story.> > When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors there > literature about vaccinations and fluoridation. In the next flu > season some of the doctors and a good percentage of the nurses > steadfastly refused to take the flu shots. I thought this was pretty > easy. Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not in > our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart > failure) my reputation preceded me. Doctors asked me if it was ok > with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed > anything upon her.> > The second method that can be very successfully used is to write > flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT team > or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public what > has happened. This can backfire though. But we cannot expect to > have it both ways, meaning being looked after by the government for > our best interest. The government looks first after its interest and > secondly after the big corporations' interests. We are right at the > very end. This means we have to look after our own best interests. > In order for this to be successful many people have to know what is > really happening and then act accordingly. That's were the problem > comes in. Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if only > one individual is standing up to big brother. It is a different > story when that individual knows that a million people are backing > him in case big brother puts up his back and fights back. I have > experienced this many times in the past 18 years. That's how long I > have been active in exposing government corruption.> > So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get > together with like minded people.> Take an incident that happened a short while ago.> Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led up > to the incident.> Mention the people's names involved in the incident like the crew > members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the > judge who issued the order, etc.> Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to a > regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the > government employees did, i.e go to jail.> This cannot be done in one flyer. It will have to be a continuing > story. In this story it will have to be explained what the > government steps are during the flyer campaign. This can be > extremely interesting.> > I give you an example:> In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long story > and was extremely rude. I wrote flyers on him and his behavior and > distributed them in the town of the trial. It ended up to be a > series of 27 flyers. Even today these flyers are still in > circulation. Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying to justify > himself and every time it got worse for him. Needless to say that he > was very careful in the future. Now, the corporate media is twisting > the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't matter. > There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the > other people might start thinking.> > Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent to > the IRS. I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of > our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker based > on an illegal order by Revenue Canada. The banker had to leave town > and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone. As far as I know I > am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave them > alone. Normally people beg the tax department for mercy. I have > many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved. > Normally nobody argues with these guys. When they realized that we > were involved the got up and left without any argument.> > I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of jail > term. But what do we have to loose? It can only get worse. Unless > we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship. We are > very close as it is. It's up to the people. People are in control > if they choose to be in control. It takes dedication, total honesty > and an unshakable conviction. Are people ready for that? I don't > know. I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of > their action or inaction.> > Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 - 43 > B.C. to think about:> > Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in > opposition> and irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable laws > of man> emerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in oppression,> chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law,> established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil no > matter> the noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged when> enforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the Law laid > down by> God, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish to> survive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts to> adjudicate by the whim of venal judges.> > (Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted )> On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth@... wrote:> > >> > Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control of > > then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that you > > knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about > > learning...Dr.D LangOriginal Message ----> > From: Fred Kyburz <fredk@...>> > To: no-forced-vaccination > > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PM> > Subject: Re: Something Relevant to Our Topic> >> > The question here is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they allow > > natural cures? Why is aspartame poisoning approved? Why is > > thimerasol poisoning approved? There must be a reason? What is > > the reason? When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I > > believe. But we have to know the reason for these actions. So > > what are these reasons?> >> > On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote:> >> >>> >> That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held > >> back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet > >> aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is > >> approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach some > >> real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making > >> these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are > >> doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever > >> headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor who > >> has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with > >> the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in > >> this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of > >> humor....> >>> >> [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic> >>> >> I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is > >> certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is > >> shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being > >> forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else > >> is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the > >> question?> >>> >> Mavis> >>> >>> >> Monday, January 7, 2008> >> POLICE STATE, USA> >> SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint> >> Cops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay> >> Posted: January 7, 2008> >> 1:00 a.m. Eastern> >>> >> By Bob Unruh> >> © 2008 WorldNetDaily. com> >> Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado > >> punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with > >> guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an > >> accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of > >> Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.> >> The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at > >> gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, > >> and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was > >> upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.> >> Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the > >> sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak > >> with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the > >> sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in > >> a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, > >> Tom Shiflett, told WND.> >> (Story continues below)> >> WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not > >> returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/ > >> referee, also was not available.> >> Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he > >> ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.> >> "I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, > >> and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.> >> According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 > >> children including six still at home, and served with paramedics > >> in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.> >> The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't > >> adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a > >> hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.> >> The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. > >> was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was > >> starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and > >> hit his head, Shiflett said.> >> He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, > >> and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words > >> as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken > >> bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.> >> The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided > >> not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare > >> Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and > >> evaluate the boy.> >> The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no > >> significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for > >> an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family > >> refused to allow that.> >> "This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics > >> and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them > >> have their way," a family acquaintance told WND.> >> "The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor > >> did they act in a manner we would expect from professional > >> paramedics," the acquaintance said.> >> So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, > >> called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett > >> familiy.> >> The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers > >> responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.> >> Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the > >> door and demanded to talk with "in private."> >> They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the > >> bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch > >> where the social workers could see him, the family reported.> >> Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family > >> settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team > >> attack.> >> The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified > >> because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and > >> had made threats and "comments" over the years.> >> However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the > >> father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said.> >> "He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.> >> However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an > >> at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on > >> their healthcare, as did Shiflett.> >> "I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that > >> decision," the sheriff said.> >> But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the > >> paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.> >> The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at > >> least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened > >> Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.> >> Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported > >> they were looking into the case, because of requests from family > >> friends who are members of the organization.> >> "While people can debate whether or not the father should have > >> brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of > >> emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by > >> government officials," a spokesman said.> >> Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they > >> didn't find anything wrong with him."> >> He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but > >> they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.> >> "My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.> >> He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, > >> and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face > >> of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.> >> "I don't know where social services ever got started, or where > >> they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we > >> have something in this country that violates our rights, that > >> takes a parental right away."> >> He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he > >> recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to > >> turn his child over to the paramedics.> >> With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he > >> hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.> >> "Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going > >> to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the > >> judge," he said.> >> Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a > >> set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.> >> "In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that > >> parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a > >> liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their > >> children," he said.> >> He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits > >> all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>

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Thank you .  Again I will answer/comment in red after particular sentences for ease of following.On 10.01.2008, at 19:17, kelleyosean wrote:-Excellent points Fred. I applaud your courage to stand up for your convictions and to give 'em hell. The only power that authorities have is what we give them. This is a point of utmost importance.  If we stay silent on a certain issue the authorities take this silence as agreement.  This is why it is so important to speak up.  This is also a reason why the US government is trying now to silence ANY opposition to their diabolical agenda.  As a true iconoclast, I question authority when necessary. Keeping a moderate tone, although not always possible, works best and the recipient is much more likely to listen. I've gone up to doctors after vaccine-bill hearings and in front of everyone (the more the better) I will chastise them if they've lied during the hearing and make sure everyone knows about it. This is exactly what they fear incredibly.  They fear nothing like exposure as regular individual do.  Imagine how it would feel to you if the government would write something about you you have done in the past that was not up to the gold standard (and everyone did).  You would like to hide forever, right.  You would not venture outside for some time.  You would be ashamed and hope no one recognizes you.  People in government have the same feelings, some more some less depending of how many scruples they still have.  The doctors you chastised will remember you forever.  How would it feel to an individual now if this did not happen just once - if it happened a number of times with flyers and the results of the transgressions would be elaborated on in detail?  Of course this exposure would have to take place in the hometown of the individual committing the transgressions.  They don't know what to think about me, except that I'm an informed, educated person who is challenging the status quo. This worked well during our Walmart battle and I've taken that attitude w/me into other hearings. They're not used to people speaking up and instead would prefer we're ignorant and kept in the dark. 'If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.' A college education is great, but if not, anyone, including myself, can become informed and focus their energy in a take no prisoners attitude. Believe me, it has an effect, and like you Fred, they never forget who you are or how many people you represent. Keep 'em guessing and keep a low profile, if possible.  This low profile can be very, very important.If not, use it to your advantage. Like Fred, my reputation precedes me in certain arenas. I've now become known as the 'vaccine lady' and I kind of like the title. I know enough to be dangerous and I am still learning everything I can get my hands on. They never know how much you truly know, except if you can talk the talk, they usually listen to you.  If 1/10 of 1% of Americans were INTERESTED and CONCERNED about the future of their country Bush and company could not do what they are doing to America and the world.  Neither could Pharma.  It all goes back to the INDIVIDUAL.  The individual has tremendous powers.  A totally convinced individual can change a country around.  Think of Ghandhi!  He didn't use any violence.  Yet he brought the greatest world power at that time to its knees.  If the Indian people would have understood the principles he lived by and tried to teach them India would have become the greatest world power of all time.   Ghandhi was jailed innumerable times yet it didn't bother him.  On one occasion the prison guards gave him money so he could find transportation home.  He didn't want to leave since he didn't have any money and he told them so.  So they paid him in order to get home.  He turned the table constantly on them.  On the other hand it took tremendous sacrifices from the Indian people.  If the American people do not wake up in a hurry their sacrifices will be much greater.  A full blown dictatorship is in the making in the United States of America.  I am surprised that Ron does not have the support of at least 80% of Americans.  This shows how ignorant they are to the situation they are in at this very moment.Fred -- In no-forced-vaccination , Fred Kyburz <fredk@...> wrote:>> Dr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact. The drug companies only > make money with sick people. So they need to keep people sick in > order to make more money. But, and this is the crux, they use the > doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated > and 'educated' on the new drugs so the cycle continues. Now, let's > find out what happens. The drug companies manufacture the poisons, > which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for > emergencies. The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living. The > patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust and > believe the doctor's knowledge. It's a closed circle. How can this > circle be broken? In order to break the chain do we go after the > strongest or the weakest link? The weakest link of course. Which > one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim > here? Isn't it the doctor? Now, the doctor might be considered also > a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by > the drug companies. But I don't buy this argument because he has a > brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his > conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his fellow man and > kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year. Now what > happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his feet?> > He might get angry. He might get thoughtful. In either case there > is an open door for real education. Only one of them has to change > his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new trend > has started. Is this difficult to do? In my experience, no. I tell > you a story.> > When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors there > literature about vaccinations and fluoridation. In the next flu > season some of the doctors and a good percentage of the nurses > steadfastly refused to take the flu shots. I thought this was pretty > easy. Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not in > our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart > failure) my reputation preceded me. Doctors asked me if it was ok > with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed > anything upon her.> > The second method that can be very successfully used is to write > flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT team > or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public what > has happened. This can backfire though. But we cannot expect to > have it both ways, meaning being looked after by the government for > our best interest. The government looks first after its interest and > secondly after the big corporations' interests. We are right at the > very end. This means we have to look after our own best interests. > In order for this to be successful many people have to know what is > really happening and then act accordingly. That's were the problem > comes in. Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if only > one individual is standing up to big brother. It is a different > story when that individual knows that a million people are backing > him in case big brother puts up his back and fights back. I have > experienced this many times in the past 18 years. That's how long I > have been active in exposing government corruption.> > So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get > together with like minded people.> Take an incident that happened a short while ago.> Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led up > to the incident.> Mention the people's names involved in the incident like the crew > members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the > judge who issued the order, etc.> Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to a > regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the > government employees did, i.e go to jail.> This cannot be done in one flyer. It will have to be a continuing > story. In this story it will have to be explained what the > government steps are during the flyer campaign. This can be > extremely interesting.> > I give you an example:> In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long story > and was extremely rude. I wrote flyers on him and his behavior and > distributed them in the town of the trial. It ended up to be a > series of 27 flyers. Even today these flyers are still in > circulation. Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying to justify > himself and every time it got worse for him. Needless to say that he > was very careful in the future. Now, the corporate media is twisting > the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't matter. > There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the > other people might start thinking.> > Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent to > the IRS. I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of > our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker based > on an illegal order by Revenue Canada. The banker had to leave town > and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone. As far as I know I > am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave them > alone. Normally people beg the tax department for mercy. I have > many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved. > Normally nobody argues with these guys. When they realized that we > were involved the got up and left without any argument.> > I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of jail > term. But what do we have to loose? It can only get worse. Unless > we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship. We are > very close as it is. It's up to the people. People are in control > if they choose to be in control. It takes dedication, total honesty > and an unshakable conviction. Are people ready for that? I don't > know. I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of > their action or inaction.> > Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 - 43 > B.C. to think about:> > Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in > opposition> and irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable laws > of man> emerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in oppression,> chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law,> established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil no > matter> the noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged when> enforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the Law laid > down by> God, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish to> survive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts to> adjudicate by the whim of venal judges.> > (Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted )> On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth@... wrote:> > >> > Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control of > > then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that you > > knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about > > learning...Dr.D LangOriginal Message ----> > From: Fred Kyburz <fredk@...>> > To: no-forced-vaccination > > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PM> > Subject: Re: Something Relevant to Our Topic> >> > The question here is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they allow > > natural cures? Why is aspartame poisoning approved? Why is > > thimerasol poisoning approved? There must be a reason? What is > > the reason? When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I > > believe. But we have to know the reason for these actions. So > > what are these reasons?> >> > On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote:> >> >>> >> That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held > >> back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet > >> aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is > >> approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach some > >> real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making > >> these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are > >> doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever > >> headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor who > >> has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with > >> the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in > >> this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of > >> humor....> >>> >> [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic> >>> >> I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is > >> certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is > >> shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being > >> forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else > >> is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the > >> question?> >>> >> Mavis> >>> >>> >> Monday, January 7, 2008> >> POLICE STATE, USA> >> SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint> >> Cops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay> >> Posted: January 7, 2008> >> 1:00 a.m. Eastern> >>> >> By Bob Unruh> >> © 2008 WorldNetDaily. com> >> Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado > >> punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with > >> guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an > >> accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of > >> Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.> >> The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at > >> gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, > >> and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was > >> upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.> >> Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the > >> sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak > >> with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the > >> sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in > >> a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, > >> Tom Shiflett, told WND.> >> (Story continues below)> >> WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not > >> returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/ > >> referee, also was not available.> >> Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he > >> ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.> >> "I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, > >> and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.> >> According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 > >> children including six still at home, and served with paramedics > >> in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.> >> The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't > >> adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a > >> hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.> >> The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. > >> was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was > >> starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and > >> hit his head, Shiflett said.> >> He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, > >> and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words > >> as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken > >> bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.> >> The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided > >> not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare > >> Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and > >> evaluate the boy.> >> The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no > >> significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for > >> an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family > >> refused to allow that.> >> "This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics > >> and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them > >> have their way," a family acquaintance told WND.> >> "The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor > >> did they act in a manner we would expect from professional > >> paramedics," the acquaintance said.> >> So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, > >> called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett > >> familiy.> >> The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers > >> responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.> >> Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the > >> door and demanded to talk with "in private."> >> They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the > >> bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch > >> where the social workers could see him, the family reported.> >> Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family > >> settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team > >> attack.> >> The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified > >> because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and > >> had made threats and "comments" over the years.> >> However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the > >> father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said.> >> "He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.> >> However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an > >> at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on > >> their healthcare, as did Shiflett.> >> "I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that > >> decision," the sheriff said.> >> But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the > >> paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.> >> The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at > >> least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened > >> Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.> >> Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported > >> they were looking into the case, because of requests from family > >> friends who are members of the organization.> >> "While people can debate whether or not the father should have > >> brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of > >> emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by > >> government officials," a spokesman said.> >> Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they > >> didn't find anything wrong with him."> >> He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but > >> they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.> >> "My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.> >> He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, > >> and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face > >> of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.> >> "I don't know where social services ever got started, or where > >> they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we > >> have something in this country that violates our rights, that > >> takes a parental right away."> >> He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he > >> recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to > >> turn his child over to the paramedics.> >> With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he > >> hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.> >> "Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going > >> to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the > >> judge," he said.> >> Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a > >> set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.> >> "In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that > >> parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a > >> liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their > >> children," he said.> >> He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits > >> all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>

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Thank you .  Again I will answer/comment in red after particular sentences for ease of following.On 10.01.2008, at 19:17, kelleyosean wrote:-Excellent points Fred. I applaud your courage to stand up for your convictions and to give 'em hell. The only power that authorities have is what we give them. This is a point of utmost importance.  If we stay silent on a certain issue the authorities take this silence as agreement.  This is why it is so important to speak up.  This is also a reason why the US government is trying now to silence ANY opposition to their diabolical agenda.  As a true iconoclast, I question authority when necessary. Keeping a moderate tone, although not always possible, works best and the recipient is much more likely to listen. I've gone up to doctors after vaccine-bill hearings and in front of everyone (the more the better) I will chastise them if they've lied during the hearing and make sure everyone knows about it. This is exactly what they fear incredibly.  They fear nothing like exposure as regular individual do.  Imagine how it would feel to you if the government would write something about you you have done in the past that was not up to the gold standard (and everyone did).  You would like to hide forever, right.  You would not venture outside for some time.  You would be ashamed and hope no one recognizes you.  People in government have the same feelings, some more some less depending of how many scruples they still have.  The doctors you chastised will remember you forever.  How would it feel to an individual now if this did not happen just once - if it happened a number of times with flyers and the results of the transgressions would be elaborated on in detail?  Of course this exposure would have to take place in the hometown of the individual committing the transgressions.  They don't know what to think about me, except that I'm an informed, educated person who is challenging the status quo. This worked well during our Walmart battle and I've taken that attitude w/me into other hearings. They're not used to people speaking up and instead would prefer we're ignorant and kept in the dark. 'If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.' A college education is great, but if not, anyone, including myself, can become informed and focus their energy in a take no prisoners attitude. Believe me, it has an effect, and like you Fred, they never forget who you are or how many people you represent. Keep 'em guessing and keep a low profile, if possible.  This low profile can be very, very important.If not, use it to your advantage. Like Fred, my reputation precedes me in certain arenas. I've now become known as the 'vaccine lady' and I kind of like the title. I know enough to be dangerous and I am still learning everything I can get my hands on. They never know how much you truly know, except if you can talk the talk, they usually listen to you.  If 1/10 of 1% of Americans were INTERESTED and CONCERNED about the future of their country Bush and company could not do what they are doing to America and the world.  Neither could Pharma.  It all goes back to the INDIVIDUAL.  The individual has tremendous powers.  A totally convinced individual can change a country around.  Think of Ghandhi!  He didn't use any violence.  Yet he brought the greatest world power at that time to its knees.  If the Indian people would have understood the principles he lived by and tried to teach them India would have become the greatest world power of all time.   Ghandhi was jailed innumerable times yet it didn't bother him.  On one occasion the prison guards gave him money so he could find transportation home.  He didn't want to leave since he didn't have any money and he told them so.  So they paid him in order to get home.  He turned the table constantly on them.  On the other hand it took tremendous sacrifices from the Indian people.  If the American people do not wake up in a hurry their sacrifices will be much greater.  A full blown dictatorship is in the making in the United States of America.  I am surprised that Ron does not have the support of at least 80% of Americans.  This shows how ignorant they are to the situation they are in at this very moment.Fred -- In no-forced-vaccination , Fred Kyburz <fredk@...> wrote:>> Dr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact. The drug companies only > make money with sick people. So they need to keep people sick in > order to make more money. But, and this is the crux, they use the > doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated > and 'educated' on the new drugs so the cycle continues. Now, let's > find out what happens. The drug companies manufacture the poisons, > which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for > emergencies. The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living. The > patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust and > believe the doctor's knowledge. It's a closed circle. How can this > circle be broken? In order to break the chain do we go after the > strongest or the weakest link? The weakest link of course. Which > one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim > here? Isn't it the doctor? Now, the doctor might be considered also > a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by > the drug companies. But I don't buy this argument because he has a > brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his > conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his fellow man and > kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year. Now what > happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his feet?> > He might get angry. He might get thoughtful. In either case there > is an open door for real education. Only one of them has to change > his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new trend > has started. Is this difficult to do? In my experience, no. I tell > you a story.> > When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors there > literature about vaccinations and fluoridation. In the next flu > season some of the doctors and a good percentage of the nurses > steadfastly refused to take the flu shots. I thought this was pretty > easy. Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not in > our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart > failure) my reputation preceded me. Doctors asked me if it was ok > with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed > anything upon her.> > The second method that can be very successfully used is to write > flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT team > or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public what > has happened. This can backfire though. But we cannot expect to > have it both ways, meaning being looked after by the government for > our best interest. The government looks first after its interest and > secondly after the big corporations' interests. We are right at the > very end. This means we have to look after our own best interests. > In order for this to be successful many people have to know what is > really happening and then act accordingly. That's were the problem > comes in. Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if only > one individual is standing up to big brother. It is a different > story when that individual knows that a million people are backing > him in case big brother puts up his back and fights back. I have > experienced this many times in the past 18 years. That's how long I > have been active in exposing government corruption.> > So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get > together with like minded people.> Take an incident that happened a short while ago.> Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led up > to the incident.> Mention the people's names involved in the incident like the crew > members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the > judge who issued the order, etc.> Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to a > regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the > government employees did, i.e go to jail.> This cannot be done in one flyer. It will have to be a continuing > story. In this story it will have to be explained what the > government steps are during the flyer campaign. This can be > extremely interesting.> > I give you an example:> In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long story > and was extremely rude. I wrote flyers on him and his behavior and > distributed them in the town of the trial. It ended up to be a > series of 27 flyers. Even today these flyers are still in > circulation. Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying to justify > himself and every time it got worse for him. Needless to say that he > was very careful in the future. Now, the corporate media is twisting > the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't matter. > There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the > other people might start thinking.> > Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent to > the IRS. I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of > our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker based > on an illegal order by Revenue Canada. The banker had to leave town > and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone. As far as I know I > am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave them > alone. Normally people beg the tax department for mercy. I have > many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved. > Normally nobody argues with these guys. When they realized that we > were involved the got up and left without any argument.> > I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of jail > term. But what do we have to loose? It can only get worse. Unless > we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship. We are > very close as it is. It's up to the people. People are in control > if they choose to be in control. It takes dedication, total honesty > and an unshakable conviction. Are people ready for that? I don't > know. I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of > their action or inaction.> > Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 - 43 > B.C. to think about:> > Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in > opposition> and irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable laws > of man> emerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in oppression,> chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law,> established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil no > matter> the noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged when> enforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the Law laid > down by> God, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish to> survive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts to> adjudicate by the whim of venal judges.> > (Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted )> On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth@... wrote:> > >> > Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control of > > then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that you > > knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about > > learning...Dr.D LangOriginal Message ----> > From: Fred Kyburz <fredk@...>> > To: no-forced-vaccination > > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PM> > Subject: Re: Something Relevant to Our Topic> >> > The question here is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they allow > > natural cures? Why is aspartame poisoning approved? Why is > > thimerasol poisoning approved? There must be a reason? What is > > the reason? When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I > > believe. But we have to know the reason for these actions. So > > what are these reasons?> >> > On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote:> >> >>> >> That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held > >> back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet > >> aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is > >> approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach some > >> real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making > >> these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are > >> doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever > >> headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor who > >> has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with > >> the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in > >> this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of > >> humor....> >>> >> [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic> >>> >> I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is > >> certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is > >> shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being > >> forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else > >> is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the > >> question?> >>> >> Mavis> >>> >>> >> Monday, January 7, 2008> >> POLICE STATE, USA> >> SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint> >> Cops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay> >> Posted: January 7, 2008> >> 1:00 a.m. Eastern> >>> >> By Bob Unruh> >> © 2008 WorldNetDaily. com> >> Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado > >> punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with > >> guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an > >> accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of > >> Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.> >> The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at > >> gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, > >> and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was > >> upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.> >> Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the > >> sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak > >> with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the > >> sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in > >> a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, > >> Tom Shiflett, told WND.> >> (Story continues below)> >> WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not > >> returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/ > >> referee, also was not available.> >> Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he > >> ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.> >> "I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, > >> and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.> >> According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 > >> children including six still at home, and served with paramedics > >> in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.> >> The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't > >> adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a > >> hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.> >> The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. > >> was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was > >> starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and > >> hit his head, Shiflett said.> >> He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, > >> and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words > >> as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken > >> bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.> >> The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided > >> not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare > >> Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and > >> evaluate the boy.> >> The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no > >> significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for > >> an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family > >> refused to allow that.> >> "This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics > >> and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them > >> have their way," a family acquaintance told WND.> >> "The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor > >> did they act in a manner we would expect from professional > >> paramedics," the acquaintance said.> >> So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, > >> called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett > >> familiy.> >> The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers > >> responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.> >> Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the > >> door and demanded to talk with "in private."> >> They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the > >> bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch > >> where the social workers could see him, the family reported.> >> Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family > >> settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team > >> attack.> >> The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified > >> because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and > >> had made threats and "comments" over the years.> >> However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the > >> father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said.> >> "He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.> >> However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an > >> at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on > >> their healthcare, as did Shiflett.> >> "I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that > >> decision," the sheriff said.> >> But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the > >> paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.> >> The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at > >> least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened > >> Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.> >> Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported > >> they were looking into the case, because of requests from family > >> friends who are members of the organization.> >> "While people can debate whether or not the father should have > >> brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of > >> emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by > >> government officials," a spokesman said.> >> Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they > >> didn't find anything wrong with him."> >> He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but > >> they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.> >> "My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.> >> He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, > >> and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face > >> of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.> >> "I don't know where social services ever got started, or where > >> they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we > >> have something in this country that violates our rights, that > >> takes a parental right away."> >> He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he > >> recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to > >> turn his child over to the paramedics.> >> With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he > >> hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.> >> "Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going > >> to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the > >> judge," he said.> >> Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a > >> set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.> >> "In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that > >> parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a > >> liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their > >> children," he said.> >> He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits > >> all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>

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Thank you .  Again I will answer/comment in red after particular sentences for ease of following.On 10.01.2008, at 19:17, kelleyosean wrote:-Excellent points Fred. I applaud your courage to stand up for your convictions and to give 'em hell. The only power that authorities have is what we give them. This is a point of utmost importance.  If we stay silent on a certain issue the authorities take this silence as agreement.  This is why it is so important to speak up.  This is also a reason why the US government is trying now to silence ANY opposition to their diabolical agenda.  As a true iconoclast, I question authority when necessary. Keeping a moderate tone, although not always possible, works best and the recipient is much more likely to listen. I've gone up to doctors after vaccine-bill hearings and in front of everyone (the more the better) I will chastise them if they've lied during the hearing and make sure everyone knows about it. This is exactly what they fear incredibly.  They fear nothing like exposure as regular individual do.  Imagine how it would feel to you if the government would write something about you you have done in the past that was not up to the gold standard (and everyone did).  You would like to hide forever, right.  You would not venture outside for some time.  You would be ashamed and hope no one recognizes you.  People in government have the same feelings, some more some less depending of how many scruples they still have.  The doctors you chastised will remember you forever.  How would it feel to an individual now if this did not happen just once - if it happened a number of times with flyers and the results of the transgressions would be elaborated on in detail?  Of course this exposure would have to take place in the hometown of the individual committing the transgressions.  They don't know what to think about me, except that I'm an informed, educated person who is challenging the status quo. This worked well during our Walmart battle and I've taken that attitude w/me into other hearings. They're not used to people speaking up and instead would prefer we're ignorant and kept in the dark. 'If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.' A college education is great, but if not, anyone, including myself, can become informed and focus their energy in a take no prisoners attitude. Believe me, it has an effect, and like you Fred, they never forget who you are or how many people you represent. Keep 'em guessing and keep a low profile, if possible.  This low profile can be very, very important.If not, use it to your advantage. Like Fred, my reputation precedes me in certain arenas. I've now become known as the 'vaccine lady' and I kind of like the title. I know enough to be dangerous and I am still learning everything I can get my hands on. They never know how much you truly know, except if you can talk the talk, they usually listen to you.  If 1/10 of 1% of Americans were INTERESTED and CONCERNED about the future of their country Bush and company could not do what they are doing to America and the world.  Neither could Pharma.  It all goes back to the INDIVIDUAL.  The individual has tremendous powers.  A totally convinced individual can change a country around.  Think of Ghandhi!  He didn't use any violence.  Yet he brought the greatest world power at that time to its knees.  If the Indian people would have understood the principles he lived by and tried to teach them India would have become the greatest world power of all time.   Ghandhi was jailed innumerable times yet it didn't bother him.  On one occasion the prison guards gave him money so he could find transportation home.  He didn't want to leave since he didn't have any money and he told them so.  So they paid him in order to get home.  He turned the table constantly on them.  On the other hand it took tremendous sacrifices from the Indian people.  If the American people do not wake up in a hurry their sacrifices will be much greater.  A full blown dictatorship is in the making in the United States of America.  I am surprised that Ron does not have the support of at least 80% of Americans.  This shows how ignorant they are to the situation they are in at this very moment.Fred -- In no-forced-vaccination , Fred Kyburz <fredk@...> wrote:>> Dr. Lang, I am very well aware of this fact. The drug companies only > make money with sick people. So they need to keep people sick in > order to make more money. But, and this is the crux, they use the > doctors to do their bidding by training them and keep them updated > and 'educated' on the new drugs so the cycle continues. Now, let's > find out what happens. The drug companies manufacture the poisons, > which I agree can and do help sometimes in severe cases for > emergencies. The doctors peddle this poisons to make a living. The > patients are educated, some people call it brainwashed, to trust and > believe the doctor's knowledge. It's a closed circle. How can this > circle be broken? In order to break the chain do we go after the > strongest or the weakest link? The weakest link of course. Which > one is the weakest link besides the patient since he is the victim > here? Isn't it the doctor? Now, the doctor might be considered also > a victim since he depends on his income and since he is lied to by > the drug companies. But I don't buy this argument because he has a > brain to reason with and he can ask himself if he can allow his > conscience to continue to distribute poisons to his fellow man and > kill over a 100,000 people in the process every year. Now what > happens if the doctor is confronted and the blame is put at his feet?> > He might get angry. He might get thoughtful. In either case there > is an open door for real education. Only one of them has to change > his mind and look seriously into alternative methods and a new trend > has started. Is this difficult to do? In my experience, no. I tell > you a story.> > When my wife was in the hospital I distributed to some doctors there > literature about vaccinations and fluoridation. In the next flu > season some of the doctors and a good percentage of the nurses > steadfastly refused to take the flu shots. I thought this was pretty > easy. Whenever my wife had to go to the hospital in the city, not in > our small community (she suffered a stroke and congestive heart > failure) my reputation preceded me. Doctors asked me if it was ok > with me to give her this or that medication before they imposed > anything upon her.> > The second method that can be very successfully used is to write > flyers on the 'offending' parties like the members of the SWAT team > or the members of the ambulance crew and explain to the public what > has happened. This can backfire though. But we cannot expect to > have it both ways, meaning being looked after by the government for > our best interest. The government looks first after its interest and > secondly after the big corporations' interests. We are right at the > very end. This means we have to look after our own best interests. > In order for this to be successful many people have to know what is > really happening and then act accordingly. That's were the problem > comes in. Confronting any government agency can be hazardous if only > one individual is standing up to big brother. It is a different > story when that individual knows that a million people are backing > him in case big brother puts up his back and fights back. I have > experienced this many times in the past 18 years. That's how long I > have been active in exposing government corruption.> > So, in successfully battling forced vaccination one has to get > together with like minded people.> Take an incident that happened a short while ago.> Write a flyer detailing exactly what has happened and what has led up > to the incident.> Mention the people's names involved in the incident like the crew > members of the ambulance, the SWAT team members, the sheriff, the > judge who issued the order, etc.> Then detail their transgressions and point out what would happen to a > regular member of society if he would do exactly the same as the > government employees did, i.e go to jail.> This cannot be done in one flyer. It will have to be a continuing > story. In this story it will have to be explained what the > government steps are during the flyer campaign. This can be > extremely interesting.> > I give you an example:> In 1995 I was before a judge who denied my rights - it's a long story > and was extremely rude. I wrote flyers on him and his behavior and > distributed them in the town of the trial. It ended up to be a > series of 27 flyers. Even today these flyers are still in > circulation. Judge Fay went twice on national TV trying to justify > himself and every time it got worse for him. Needless to say that he > was very careful in the future. Now, the corporate media is twisting > the facts in order to put me in a bad light but this doesn't matter. > There are enough people who know what the real reasons are and the > other people might start thinking.> > Another story which has to do with Revenue Canada, the equivalent to > the IRS. I wrote flyers for a friend of mine, an active member of > our organization who got his bank account emptied by his banker based > on an illegal order by Revenue Canada. The banker had to leave town > and Revenue Canada begged me to leave them alone. As far as I know I > am the only individual in Canada Revenue Canada asked to leave them > alone. Normally people beg the tax department for mercy. I have > many more stories including a case were a SWAT team was involved. > Normally nobody argues with these guys. When they realized that we > were involved the got up and left without any argument.> > I agree that this method has risks, including the prospects of jail > term. But what do we have to loose? It can only get worse. Unless > we do something that works we end up in a total dictatorship. We are > very close as it is. It's up to the people. People are in control > if they choose to be in control. It takes dedication, total honesty > and an unshakable conviction. Are people ready for that? I don't > know. I know one thing, they will have to harvest the result of > their action or inaction.> > Here are a few words by Marcus Tullius Cicero who lived from 106 - 43 > B.C. to think about:> > Power and law are not synonymous. In truth they are frequently in > opposition> and irreconcilable. There is God's Law from which all Equitable laws > of man> emerge and by which men must live if they are not to die in oppression,> chaos and despair. Divorced from God's eternal and immutable Law,> established before the founding of the suns, man's power is evil no > matter> the noble words with which it is employed or the motives urged when> enforcing it. Men of good will, mindful therefore of the Law laid > down by> God, will oppose governments whose rule is by men, and if they wish to> survive as a nation they will destroy the government which attempts to> adjudicate by the whim of venal judges.> > (Venal means: Easily bribed or corrupted )> On 09.01.2008, at 03:04, majestichealth@... wrote:> > >> > Fred..I don't mean to be insulting!! The reason is the control of > > then FDA the DRUG companies so theymake miney....I thought that you > > knew this but it is ok...that is what this site is about > > learning...Dr.D LangOriginal Message ----> > From: Fred Kyburz <fredk@...>> > To: no-forced-vaccination > > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 8:12:25 PM> > Subject: Re: Something Relevant to Our Topic> >> > The question here is WHY are they doing this? Why don't they allow > > natural cures? Why is aspartame poisoning approved? Why is > > thimerasol poisoning approved? There must be a reason? What is > > the reason? When we know the reason then the answer is easy, I > > believe. But we have to know the reason for these actions. So > > what are these reasons?> >> > On 09.01.2008, at 01:50, majestichealth wrote:> >> >>> >> That is the case all the time...it is amazing that we are held > >> back from giving wonderful natural cures to people and yet > >> aspartame poisoning is approved, thimerasol poisoning is > >> approved.... who is on first here? I think we need to teach some > >> real hard lessons here...we need to be sure that the people making > >> these decisions consume all of this stuff....almost what they are > >> doing to us...set them up...let them get Alzheimer's or sever > >> headaches or me or lupus or ADD/ADHD.... if I was not a Doctor who > >> has taken an oath and deals with positiveness, and working with > >> the Universal Spirit, I would set up an army to attack them in > >> this way ...the way they are attacking us!!! That is my sense of > >> humor....> >>> >> [no-forced-vaccinat ion] Something Relevant to Our Topic> >>> >> I got this through Vaccination Liberation list today and it is > >> certainly relevant to our topic and purpose. This story is > >> shocking to me and should be a reminder to us all, that being > >> forced to being treated medically with vaccines or anything else > >> is a real threat to us all. What can we do prevent it is the > >> question?> >>> >> Mavis> >>> >>> >> Monday, January 7, 2008> >> POLICE STATE, USA> >> SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint> >> Cops demand boy go to doctor because of fall during horseplay> >> Posted: January 7, 2008> >> 1:00 a.m. Eastern> >>> >> By Bob Unruh> >> © 2008 WorldNetDaily. com> >> Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado > >> punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with > >> guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an > >> accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of > >> Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.> >> The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at > >> gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, > >> and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was > >> upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.> >> Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the > >> sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak > >> with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the > >> sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in > >> a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, > >> Tom Shiflett, told WND.> >> (Story continues below)> >> WND calls and e-mails to Garfield County Social Services were not > >> returned, and Leoniak, who earlier served as a water court clerk/ > >> referee, also was not available.> >> Sheriff Lou Vallario, however, did call back, and told WND he > >> ordered his officers to do exactly what the magistrate demanded.> >> "I was given a court order by the magistrate to seize the child, > >> and arrange for medical evaluation, and that's what we did," he said.> >> According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 > >> children including six still at home, and served with paramedics > >> in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.> >> The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't > >> adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, , to a > >> hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.> >> The accident happened during horseplay, Tom Shiflett told WND. > >> was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was > >> starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and > >> hit his head, Shiflett said.> >> He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, > >> and was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words > >> as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken > >> bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.> >> The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided > >> not to call an ambulance. But a neighbor did call Westcare > >> Ambulance, and paramedics responded to the home, asking to see and > >> evaluate the boy.> >> The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no > >> significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for > >> an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family > >> refused to allow that.> >> "This apparently did not go over well with one of the paramedics > >> and they started getting aggravated at Tom for not letting them > >> have their way," a family acquaintance told WND.> >> "The paramedics were not at all respectful of Tom's decision, nor > >> did they act in a manner we would expect from professional > >> paramedics," the acquaintance said.> >> So the ambulance crew, who also could not be reached by WND, > >> called police, only to be told the decision was up to the Shiflett > >> familiy.> >> The paramedics then called the sheriff's office, and officers > >> responded to the home, and were told everyone was being cared for.> >> Then the next day, Friday, social services workers appeared at the > >> door and demanded to talk with "in private."> >> They were so persistent Tom ended up having to get out of the > >> bathtub he was just soaking in, to bring him to the front porch > >> where the social workers could see him, the family reported.> >> Then, following an afternoon shopping trip to town, the family > >> settled in for the evening, only to be shocked with the SWAT team > >> attack.> >> The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified > >> because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and > >> had made threats and "comments" over the years.> >> However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the > >> father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically, " he said.> >> "He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.> >> However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an > >> at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on > >> their healthcare, as did Shiflett.> >> "I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that > >> decision," the sheriff said.> >> But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the > >> paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.> >> The sheriff also admitted that the injury to the child had been at > >> least 24 hours earlier, because the fall apparently happened > >> Thursday afternoon, and the SWAT attack happened late Friday evening.> >> Officials with the Home School Legal Defense Association reported > >> they were looking into the case, because of requests from family > >> friends who are members of the organization.> >> "While people can debate whether or not the father should have > >> brought his son to the ER – it seems like this was not the kind of > >> emergency that warrants this kind of outrageous conduct by > >> government officials," a spokesman said.> >> Tom Shiflett said when was evaluated by the physician, "they > >> didn't find anything wrong with him."> >> He said the paramedics never should have entered his home, but > >> they followed his wife in the front door when she came in.> >> "My attention was on my son," Shiflett said.> >> He said the SWAT team punched a hole in his door with a ramrod, > >> and the first officer in the home pointed a gun right in the face > >> of Tom's 20-year-old daughter.> >> "I don't know where social services ever got started, or where > >> they got their authority," he said. "But I want to know why we > >> have something in this country that violates our rights, that > >> takes a parental right away."> >> He said he saw a multitude of injuries in Vietnam, and while he > >> recognized that his son needed to be watched, he wasn't willing to > >> turn his child over to the paramedics.> >> With 10 children, most of them older than , it's not as if he > >> hasn't seen a bruise or two, either, he said.> >> "Now I'm hunting for lawyers that will take the case … I'm going > >> to sue everybody whose name was on that page right down to the > >> judge," he said.> >> Mike Donnelly, a lawyer with the HSLDA, told WND the case had a > >> set of circumstances that could be problematic for authorities.> >> "In Doe V. Heck, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals held that > >> parents have a fundamental right to familial relations including a > >> liberty interest in the care, custody and control of their > >> children," he said.> >> He also said many social services agencies apply "a one size fits > >> all approach" to cases, regardless of circumstances.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>