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Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Bob, comeon now.... Barb was GREAT! What she said was that those who choose to take religious exemptions should have bonafide reasons (this is true, I believe this as well) - to not, will only make those that have true religious beliefs seem less credible. IF states don't have philosophical exemptions, and people are left with religious only, then, those people in that state should try to make it so. But please don't say she's doing people a disservice when she's doing something, more than what a VAST majority are doing. Your venting of others people's efforts is what's NOT helping (no offense). ----------------------------------------- Barbara Loe Fisher was just on TV talking about religious exemptions from mecical products. She is doing the anti vaccination movement a great disservice. No one should have to join a church to refuse vaccinations or any other vile product being forced on us by the drug industry. We should have a right to disbelieve the wonderful statistics being provided by the so called medical authorities. These people are forcing their products on the public; and people like Barbara Loe Fisher are helping them get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 People should do whatever it takes to keep their children or themselves from being injected with poison. If this means lying about your religious beliefs so be it. I honestly don't think NVIC goes far enough, and I respect parents who do what it takes to protect their children. Randi Airola wrote: > > Bob, comeon now.... Barb was GREAT! What she said was that those who > choose to take religious exemptions should have bonafide reasons (this > is true, I believe this as well) - to not, will only make those that > have true religious beliefs seem less credible. IF states don't have > philosophical exemptions, and people are left with religious only, > then, those people in that state should try to make it so. But please > don't say she's doing people a disservice when she's doing something, > more than what a VAST majority are doing. Your venting of others > people's efforts is what's NOT helping (no offense). > > ----------------------------------------- > > Barbara Loe Fisher was just on TV talking about religious exemptions > from mecical products. She is doing the anti vaccination movement a > great disservice. No one should have to join a church to refuse > vaccinations or any other vile product being forced on us by the drug > industry. We should have a right to disbelieve the wonderful > statistics being provided by the so called medical authorities. > These people are forcing their products on the public; and people like > Barbara Loe Fisher are helping them get away with it. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Yeah...didn't we agree religion was something you practice or belive in and some of us don't practice vaccinating, it is thereofre against our religion? Religion doesn't always mean a belief acknowledging a higher power than one's self or more in tune with the spiritual than one's self. It is just some states require membership in a church that has no-vaxxing in its bylaws (or whatever) or they want a full blown explanation. That's when it gets tricky. I, however, think God will forgive me if I have to fabricate a membership to protect His children. I also do belive in a higher power so that is not an issue with me. I just won't move to a state that makes it difficult not to vax! Laurie Re: Re:NVIC People should do whatever it takes to keep their children or themselves from being injected with poison. If this means lying about your religious beliefs so be it. I honestly don't think NVIC goes far enough, and I respect parents who do what it takes to protect their children. Recent Activity a.. 26New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group Healthy Eating A resource for families on how to eat healthy Moderator Central An online resource for moderators of . Special K Challenge Learn how others are shedding the pounds. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 At 03:14 PM 10/22/2007 -0400, you wrote: >People should do whatever it takes to keep their children or themselves >from being injected with poison. If this means lying about your >religious beliefs so be it. I honestly don't think NVIC goes far enough, >and I respect parents who do what it takes to protect their children. How does anyone see it is 'lying about your religious beliefs'? My beliefs are part of my life - I am a whole - my spirituality is the same as what they term religion. It is in no way lying when I would use the exemption for religious reasons. That's the trouble with most people's definition of religion - it is something separate from their lives. Your religion/spirituality is part of your life. Yes, NVIC probably so go further - but each person out there is serving a purpose and reaches a different niche. I don't get on TV so I can go a lot further. MD's have to be more careful also or no one will ever quote them (vaccine dangers MDs). NVIC has to walk a fine line too. It isn't up to NVIC it is up to all to be working with their states and standing up and doing something about it as she said. Who here as done something about this issue? Sheri > >Randi Airola wrote: >> >> Bob, comeon now.... Barb was GREAT! What she said was that those who >> choose to take religious exemptions should have bonafide reasons (this >> is true, I believe this as well) - to not, will only make those that >> have true religious beliefs seem less credible. IF states don't have >> philosophical exemptions, and people are left with religious only, >> then, those people in that state should try to make it so. But please >> don't say she's doing people a disservice when she's doing something, >> more than what a VAST majority are doing. Your venting of others >> people's efforts is what's NOT helping (no offense). >>> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 So I should just vax my children, we don't have the philosophical exemption in NJ. I consider myself a pretty religious person but that is not my true reasoning for not vaxing. If that is what I have to do then I will do it. Randi Airola <randiceaj@...> wrote: Bob, comeon now.... Barb was GREAT! What she said was that those who choose to take religious exemptions should have bonafide reasons (this is true, I believe this as well) - to not, will only make those that have true religious beliefs seem less credible. IF states don't have philosophical exemptions, and people are left with religious only, then, those people in that state should try to make it so. But please don't say she's doing people a disservice when she's doing something, more than what a VAST majority are doing. Your venting of others people's efforts is what's NOT helping (no offense). ----------------------------------------- Barbara Loe Fisher was just on TV talking about religious exemptions from mecical products. She is doing the anti vaccination movement a great disservice. No one should have to join a church to refuse vaccinations or any other vile product being forced on us by the drug industry. We should have a right to disbelieve the wonderful statistics being provided by the so called medical authorities. These people are forcing their products on the public; and people like Barbara Loe Fisher are helping them get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 At 01:52 PM 10/22/2007 -0700, you wrote: >So I should just vax my children, we don't have the philosophical exemption in NJ. I consider myself a pretty religious person but that is not my true reasoning for not vaxing. If that is what I have to do then I will do it. Not sure why you wrote the above. You have a religious exemption that you can use. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 I wrote it directed towards the person who said we should only use it if that is our religious belief. And if we dint have the Philosophical exemption in our state we should just deal with it. Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: At 01:52 PM 10/22/2007 -0700, you wrote: >So I should just vax my children, we don't have the philosophical exemption in NJ. I consider myself a pretty religious person but that is not my true reasoning for not vaxing. If that is what I have to do then I will do it. Not sure why you wrote the above. You have a religious exemption that you can use. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Exactly. NVIC is a national organization but they can do so much. People HAVE to start taking part. If they do not, they have no one to blame but themselves. I'm sorry to put that bluntly, but it's true. Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. Each states have different requirements, and because the constitution does not address it, it is up to the PEOPLE to do so in their perspective states. NVIC is helping people do that. If you don't take advantage of it, quit your bitching. I'm in war mode tonight, so, sorry if that comes across harsh. I'm sick and tired of people saying " woe's me " .... and not doing shit to change their circumstances. It again, is up to you, the people, the voters, to change the laws in your state if certain circumstances do not imply to your situation. If you don't do that - move to a different state, help to try to change the laws, or, sit down and shut up. Again... I do apologize if this comes off as harsh - I've been on debate blogs all day and am ready for war.... --------------------------------------------- It isn't up to NVIC it is up to all to be working with their states and standing up and doing something about it as she said. Who here as done something about this issue? Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 You can't change the laws when the lawmakers are being paid by the pharmaceutical industry. Re: NVIC Exactly. NVIC is a national organization but they can do so much. People HAVE to start taking part. If they do not, they have no one to blame but themselves. I'm sorry to put that bluntly, but it's true. Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. Each states have different requirements, and because the constitution does not address it, it is up to the PEOPLE to do so in their perspective states. NVIC is helping people do that. If you don't take advantage of it, quit your bitching. I'm in war mode tonight, so, sorry if that comes across harsh. I'm sick and tired of people saying " woe's me " .... and not doing shit to change their circumstances. It again, is up to you, the people, the voters, to change the laws in your state if certain circumstances do not imply to your situation. If you don't do that - move to a different state, help to try to change the laws, or, sit down and shut up. Again... I do apologize if this comes off as harsh - I've been on debate blogs all day and am ready for war.... --------------------------------------------- It isn't up to NVIC it is up to all to be working with their states and standing up and doing something about it as she said. Who here as done something about this issue? Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 I'm not trying to preach religion but here is a quote from scripture: " Agree with thine enemy whilst thou art in the way with him, lest he seize you and cast you in prison " . Base on this quote, I don't think the lord has any problem with people using the religious exemption. Joe beth howell <howelleli@...> wrote: So I should just vax my children, we don't have the philosophical exemption in NJ. I consider myself a pretty religious person but that is not my true reasoning for not vaxing. If that is what I have to do then I will do it. Randi Airola <randiceaj@...> wrote: Bob, comeon now.... Barb was GREAT! What she said was that those who choose to take religious exemptions should have bonafide reasons (this is true, I believe this as well) - to not, will only make those that have true religious beliefs seem less credible. IF states don't have philosophical exemptions, and people are left with religious only, then, those people in that state should try to make it so. But please don't say she's doing people a disservice when she's doing something, more than what a VAST majority are doing. Your venting of others people's efforts is what's NOT helping (no offense). ----------------------------------------- Barbara Loe Fisher was just on TV talking about religious exemptions from mecical products. She is doing the anti vaccination movement a great disservice. No one should have to join a church to refuse vaccinations or any other vile product being forced on us by the drug industry. We should have a right to disbelieve the wonderful statistics being provided by the so called medical authorities. These people are forcing their products on the public; and people like Barbara Loe Fisher are helping them get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Sorry if I am critical of NVIC but I think the situation with vaccines has become so desperate that no one can play it safe and people have to take risk to get the truth out there. I am really upset that since more vaccines are targeting teens and young adults no one is trying to educate them of the dangers. I mean really what are they going to do hold them down and inject them? Also for those interested, I have been working on an anti vaccine documentary, I have ran into a lot of road blocks including some personal issues that have delayed the project. I am slowly but surely getting back to working on it. I have shown my ideas to a few local film makers and all agree that my approach is original and if I pull it off it would be the equivalent of " Super Size Me " only instead of fast food it would be dealing with vaccines. I actually had a finished version of the project but trashed it because it was total crap and a rehash of the same old same old. I intend to show that not only are the vaccines dangerous but the basic childhood things are nothing to fear. I'm also considering a website that would be pushing the limits but getting the truth out there. Sheri Nakken wrote: > > At 03:14 PM 10/22/2007 -0400, you wrote: > >People should do whatever it takes to keep their children or themselves > >from being injected with poison. If this means lying about your > >religious beliefs so be it. I honestly don't think NVIC goes far enough, > >and I respect parents who do what it takes to protect their children. > > How does anyone see it is 'lying about your religious beliefs'? > > My beliefs are part of my life - I am a whole - my spirituality is the > same > as what they term religion. > It is in no way lying when I would use the exemption for religious > reasons. > > That's the trouble with most people's definition of religion - it is > something separate from their lives. Your religion/spirituality is part of > your life. > > Yes, NVIC probably so go further - but each person out there is serving a > purpose and reaches a different niche. > I don't get on TV so I can go a lot further. MD's have to be more careful > also or no one will ever quote them (vaccine dangers MDs). NVIC has to > walk a fine line too. > > It isn't up to NVIC it is up to all to be working with their states and > standing up and doing something about it as she said. > > Who here as done something about this issue? > Sheri > > > > >Randi Airola wrote: > >> > >> Bob, comeon now.... Barb was GREAT! What she said was that those who > >> choose to take religious exemptions should have bonafide reasons (this > >> is true, I believe this as well) - to not, will only make those that > >> have true religious beliefs seem less credible. IF states don't have > >> philosophical exemptions, and people are left with religious only, > >> then, those people in that state should try to make it so. But please > >> don't say she's doing people a disservice when she's doing something, > >> more than what a VAST majority are doing. Your venting of others > >> people's efforts is what's NOT helping (no offense). > >>> > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > earthmysteriestours@... <mailto:earthmysteriestours%40tesco.net> > voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com <http://www.paypal.com>) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > <http://www.nccn.net/%7Ewwithin/vaccine.htm> or > http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm> > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - > http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm> > Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > <http://www.nccn.net/%7Ewwithin/vaccineclass.htm> > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm> > NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Well why don't you just give up then? Lots of us on this list won't and hopefully our hard work will keep freeloaders like you safe. Lots of US states have had good laws introduced and passed despite these paid lobbyists because good people like Barbara Fisher and supporters of health freedom lobbied, wrote letters, and basically made a lot of noise. Look at Texas where mandatory HPV vaccination was overturned. Truly, there is no point complaining about the situation if you're not willing to do something about it and if you are not part of the solution, sure as anything, you are part of the problem. As someone who has done lobbying, letter writing, protesting and lots of other work in support of people like yourself who seem to do nothing, I am with Randi here 100%! Get off your butt or get out of the mix. From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of Bob Catalano Sent: 23 October 2007 9:46 AM Vaccinations Subject: Re: NVIC You can't change the laws when the lawmakers are being paid by the pharmaceutical industry. Re: NVIC Exactly. NVIC is a national organization but they can do so much. People HAVE to start taking part. If they do not, they have no one to blame but themselves. I'm sorry to put that bluntly, but it's true. Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. Each states have different requirements, and because the constitution does not address it, it is up to the PEOPLE to do so in their perspective states. NVIC is helping people do that. If you don't take advantage of it, quit your bitching. I'm in war mode tonight, so, sorry if that comes across harsh. I'm sick and tired of people saying " woe's me " .... and not doing shit to change their circumstances. It again, is up to you, the people, the voters, to change the laws in your state if certain circumstances do not imply to your situation. If you don't do that - move to a different state, help to try to change the laws, or, sit down and shut up. Again... I do apologize if this comes off as harsh - I've been on debate blogs all day and am ready for war.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 There are so many debates now about vaccines which means people are no longer keeping their mouths shut and accepting whatever the gov and pharma companies tell them, this is a good start. In many states, the number of new parents refusing vaccinations is increasing. Real change starts with the individual, everyone here in this group is making change happen because we are educating ourselves. I know my son will not suffer any adverse effects from vaccines because he will never receive one, and this is because I took the first step to learn more about them and make my own decision. Hopefully, I will then be able to teach my son everything I know when he has children. I also know that because of me and everything I've learned from this group, that when my sister has a baby, she will not vaccinate either, and my Mom and Dad, even though begged to do so by their doctors, will not ever again get a flu shot or any other recommended shot. So far, in the few months that I've known the truth about vaccines, I have changed many lives and future lives and will continue. > > >> > > >> Bob, comeon now.... Barb was GREAT! What she said was that those who > > >> choose to take religious exemptions should have bonafide reasons (this > > >> is true, I believe this as well) - to not, will only make those that > > >> have true religious beliefs seem less credible. IF states don't have > > >> philosophical exemptions, and people are left with religious only, > > >> then, those people in that state should try to make it so. But please > > >> don't say she's doing people a disservice when she's doing something, > > >> more than what a VAST majority are doing. Your venting of others > > >> people's efforts is what's NOT helping (no offense). > > >>> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > > earthmysteriestours@... <mailto:earthmysteriestours%40tesco.net> > > voicemail US 530-740-0561 > > (go to http://www.paypal.com <http://www.paypal.com>) or by mail > > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > > <http://www.nccn.net/%7Ewwithin/vaccine.htm> or > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm > > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm> > > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm > > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm> > > Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > > <http://www.nccn.net/%7Ewwithin/vaccineclass.htm> > > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm > > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm> > > NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 If each and every one of us can change just one persons mind, then it is worth it. Just one person each, doubles our numbers. Then if that one person changes another persons mind, and us another, then the figure doubles again. Keep up the process and eventually we will end up the majority. Sooner or later, those against us will have to listen. The money won't be in the drugs or vaccines anymore but the alternatives. It may take some time, but so did building the pyramids. We owe it to ourselves, but moreso to the poor souls who blindly follow their doctors advice. Society has been brainwashed. Many of those who believe vaccination is a good thing, honestly think they are doing the best for their children and family. All we can do is plant seeds in their minds that hopefully grow into a compulsion to research for themselves. NVIC and others are places we can lead them to that help to reinforce our knowledge. For those that refuse to budge on the matter then it will be tragedy that will eventually turn them. This is a sad fact unfortunately. I would at least like to know that I have tried to get through to them. I have a great deal of admiration for everyone out there who actively fights this very difficult battle. People resent what we have to say, which makes it tempting just to keep the mouth shut. Fieldman Re:NVIC There are so many debates now about vaccines which means people are no longer keeping their mouths shut and accepting whatever the gov and pharma companies tell them, this is a good start. In many states, the number of new parents refusing vaccinations is increasing. Real change starts with the individual, everyone here in this group is making change happen because we are educating ourselves. I know my son will not suffer any adverse effects from vaccines because he will never receive one, and this is because I took the first step to learn more about them and make my own decision. Hopefully, I will then be able to teach my son everything I know when he has children. I also know that because of me and everything I've learned from this group, that when my sister has a baby, she will not vaccinate either, and my Mom and Dad, even though begged to do so by their doctors, will not ever again get a flu shot or any other recommended shot. So far, in the few months that I've known the truth about vaccines, I have changed many lives and future lives and will continue. > > >> > > >> Bob, comeon now.... Barb was GREAT! What she said was that those who > > >> choose to take religious exemptions should have bonafide reasons (this > > >> is true, I believe this as well) - to not, will only make those that > > >> have true religious beliefs seem less credible. IF states don't have > > >> philosophical exemptions, and people are left with religious only, > > >> then, those people in that state should try to make it so. But please > > >> don't say she's doing people a disservice when she's doing something, > > >> more than what a VAST majority are doing. Your venting of others > > >> people's efforts is what's NOT helping (no offense). > > >>> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > > earthmysteriestours@... <mailto:earthmysteriestours%40tesco.net> > > voicemail US 530-740-0561 > > (go to http://www.paypal.com <http://www.paypal.com>) or by mail > > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > > <http://www.nccn.net/%7Ewwithin/vaccine.htm> or > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm > > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm> > > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm > > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm> > > Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > > <http://www.nccn.net/%7Ewwithin/vaccineclass.htm> > > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm > > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm> > > NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 At 07:59 PM 10/22/2007 -0400, you wrote: >Sorry if I am critical of NVIC but I think the situation with vaccines >has become so desperate that no one can play it safe and people have to >take risk to get the truth out there. Yes, I agree And NVIC is getting the word out there in their way which is vital - the only resource that the media calls in. >> I am really upset that since more >vaccines are targeting teens and young adults no one is trying to >educate them of the dangers. I mean really what are they going to do >hold them down and inject them? They won't have to hold them down - they go willingly. > >Also for those interested, I have been working on an anti vaccine >documentary, I have ran into a lot of road blocks including some >personal issues that have delayed the project. I am slowly but surely >getting back to working on it. Sounds good > >I have shown my ideas to a few local film makers and all agree that my >approach is original and if I pull it off it would be the equivalent of > " Super Size Me " only instead of fast food it would be dealing with >vaccines. I actually had a finished version of the project but trashed >it because it was total crap and a rehash of the same old same old. I >intend to show that not only are the vaccines dangerous but the basic >childhood things are nothing to fear. Sounds great > >I'm also considering a website that would be pushing the limits but >getting the truth out there. Whatever you can do. It will take us all and many different ways. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Exactly Vida Huge numbers of you are joining this list alone - I get anywhere from 1 - 8 people per day signing on - PER DAY. Some already not vaccinating, some wanting to delay and selectively vaccinate (and they hear how that is NEVER safe or necessary here) and some just wanting info. This is more than ever before. And yes there are more of you therefore more contacts with others. More discussion on webboards More on TV as we have seen in the last month More in the news (not enough certainly but at least the seeds are being planted). So, keep the faith and do all that you can individually. Some make up business cards on Vaccine Dangers and hand them out to pregnant women they see A card that would have a catching short phrase/sentence and then a couple of websites with info they can check out http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm http://www.nvic.org http://www.vaccination.org.uk would be good ones to have. Don't need dto have your contact info as the webpages will have email addresses they can contact. Could make one for teens and hand out at local convenience store that they all hit at lunch hour or after school Don't try on school property Or wherever you see a teen Sheri listowner At 06:59 AM 10/23/2007 -0000, you wrote: >There are so many debates now about vaccines which means people are >no longer keeping their mouths shut and accepting whatever the gov >and pharma companies tell them, this is a good start. In many >states, the number of new parents refusing vaccinations is increasing. >Real change starts with the individual, everyone here in this group >is making change happen because we are educating ourselves. I know >my son will not suffer any adverse effects from vaccines because he >will never receive one, and this is because I took the first step to >learn more about them and make my own decision. Hopefully, I will >then be able to teach my son everything I know when he has children. >I also know that because of me and everything I've learned from this >group, that when my sister has a baby, she will not vaccinate either, >and my Mom and Dad, even though begged to do so by their doctors, >will not ever again get a flu shot or any other recommended shot. So >far, in the few months that I've known the truth about vaccines, I >have changed many lives and future lives and will continue. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Great idea about the business cards with vaccine dangers and websites printed on them, I am actually going to do that! Sheri Nakken wrote: > > Exactly Vida > > Huge numbers of you are joining this list alone - I get anywhere from > 1 - 8 > people per day signing on - PER DAY. > Some already not vaccinating, some wanting to delay and selectively > vaccinate (and they hear how that is NEVER safe or necessary here) and > some > just wanting info. > This is more than ever before. > > And yes there are more of you therefore more contacts with others. > More discussion on webboards > More on TV as we have seen in the last month > More in the news (not enough certainly but at least the seeds are being > planted). > > So, keep the faith and do all that you can individually. > > Some make up business cards on Vaccine Dangers and hand them out to > pregnant women they see > A card that would have a catching short phrase/sentence and then a couple > of websites with info they can check out > > http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm> > http://www.nvic.org <http://www.nvic.org> > http://www.vaccination.org.uk <http://www.vaccination.org.uk> > > would be good ones to have. > > Don't need dto have your contact info as the webpages will have email > addresses they can contact. > > Could make one for teens and hand out at local convenience store that they > all hit at lunch hour or after school > Don't try on school property > Or wherever you see a teen > Sheri > listowner > > At 06:59 AM 10/23/2007 -0000, you wrote: > >There are so many debates now about vaccines which means people are > >no longer keeping their mouths shut and accepting whatever the gov > >and pharma companies tell them, this is a good start. In many > >states, the number of new parents refusing vaccinations is increasing. > >Real change starts with the individual, everyone here in this group > >is making change happen because we are educating ourselves. I know > >my son will not suffer any adverse effects from vaccines because he > >will never receive one, and this is because I took the first step to > >learn more about them and make my own decision. Hopefully, I will > >then be able to teach my son everything I know when he has children. > >I also know that because of me and everything I've learned from this > >group, that when my sister has a baby, she will not vaccinate either, > >and my Mom and Dad, even though begged to do so by their doctors, > >will not ever again get a flu shot or any other recommended shot. So > >far, in the few months that I've known the truth about vaccines, I > >have changed many lives and future lives and will continue. > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > earthmysteriestours@... <mailto:earthmysteriestours%40tesco.net> > voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com <http://www.paypal.com>) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > <http://www.nccn.net/%7Ewwithin/vaccine.htm> or > http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm> > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - > http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm> > Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > <http://www.nccn.net/%7Ewwithin/vaccineclass.htm> > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm > <http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm> > NEXT CLASSES start by email October 17 & 18 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 And not to sound paranoid, but we know that some people who are interested in thwarting our cause are on this group to read and listen in, if you will. Do you think some of those have been able to sneak in, Sheri? Sheri B. www.shaklee.net/simplevitality Products in harmony with Nature Find out why we've been around for 50 years __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Thanks ! > > I get e-mails sent directly to my inbox on important vaccine related > information from: > > http://www.nvic.org/ > > If you are not aware of this group it is very informative. They do a > great job sending out news alerts from around the world relating to > both sides of the vaccine issue so you can make an informed decision. > They lean toward no vaccines, but encourage the parent's right to > choose. > > /Missouri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Thanks ! > > I get e-mails sent directly to my inbox on important vaccine related > information from: > > http://www.nvic.org/ > > If you are not aware of this group it is very informative. They do a > great job sending out news alerts from around the world relating to > both sides of the vaccine issue so you can make an informed decision. > They lean toward no vaccines, but encourage the parent's right to > choose. > > /Missouri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I was thinking of signing up on the NVIC Advocacy Portal. (National Vaccine Information Center) Anyone else familiar with it? Is it a valid and real anti vaccination organization? Call me paranoid but I just wanted to check before signing up. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Sorry, I just now saw the recent post about NVIC. I guess my question was unnecessary. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Sorry, I just now saw the recent post about NVIC. I guess my question was unnecessary. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 its valid not a fan of how Vaccine Law was participated in by director of NVIC but Advocacy Portal is a good thing At 08:23 AM 2/28/2011, you wrote: I was thinking of signing up on the NVIC Advocacy Portal. (National Vaccine Information Center) Anyone else familiar with it? Is it a valid and real anti vaccination organization? Call me paranoid but I just wanted to check before signing up. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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